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Joe Corn Mo
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"sanctified or sanctimonious: when do we let artists preach at us?"
Sun Jan-26-14 07:46 PM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

bono is annoying.
he seems sincere enough,
but you wish he'd shut up even when you agree with what he's saying,

compare him to stevie,
who preaches more than bono (stevie is the only artists
they let ramble on for 10 minutes at awards shows)
but he's just more likeable.

nobody describes stevie wonder as annoying.
for some reason, we tolerate preaching from stevie, and maybe even love him for it.
MJ's preaching was sacarine, but i wouldn't describe it as annoying.


macklemore will probably win a grammy tonight.
i agree with the message of "same love,"
but it rubs me the wrong way. he talks as if he's the first person
to discover tolerance, and he always sounds like he is preaching to black ppl in particular. even though i'm not convinced black ppl are more homophobic than whites.
lady gaga and madonna can preach about these topics in a way
that is much less (but not entirely less) annoying.

so what is it?
what is the quality that somebody preaching at us must have
in order to not be annoying?


"waiting on the world to change" works as a message song.
but "do they know it's christmas?" doesn't.

i wonder why.







  

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i agree that Black ppl are not more homophobic than whites
Jan 26th 2014
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You bring up some very particular issues lol
Jan 26th 2014
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i throw "thrift shop" in there too
Jan 26th 2014
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RE: i throw "thrift shop" in there too
Jan 27th 2014
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when we agree with them
Jan 27th 2014
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basically.
Jan 27th 2014
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      yup, ppl care more abt the messenger than the message
Jan 27th 2014
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anyone get tired of being preached at abt the supremacy of money...
Jan 27th 2014
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I thought "Same Love" is fine?
Jan 27th 2014
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philpot
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1. "i agree that Black ppl are not more homophobic than whites"
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CherNic
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Sun Jan-26-14 09:08 PM

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2. "You bring up some very particular issues lol"
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Sun Jan-26-14 09:10 PM by CherNic

  

          

You basically sound like you hate when you feel people talk at you vs to you

Edit I've never heard Same Love, Christmas, or the other song you mentioned (forgot the name just that quick)

Idk I guess I need more examples

  

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beatnik
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Sun Jan-26-14 10:48 PM

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3. "i throw "thrift shop" in there too"
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Like he's trying to point out homophobia and materialism to the hip hop audience as if it's never been addressed. I never heard it, but someone on this board pointed Murs had a song on the subject and even kissed a dude in his video. I think.

I really can't say because there are certain rappers who never say anything too political but I want them to just because of their talent.

I think it boils down to who you like as an individual and whatever prejudice you have for that person, looking at them and their background deciding what they can or can't say.

PEACE LOVE and MONEY

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bills
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Mon Jan-27-14 01:11 AM

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5. "RE: i throw "thrift shop" in there too"
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>Like he's trying to point out homophobia and materialism to
>the hip hop audience as if it's never been addressed.

That's exactly why dude doesn't really sit right with me.

I never
>heard it, but someone on this board pointed Murs had a song on
>the subject and even kissed a dude in his video. I think.
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yep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTSPcNSi40

>I really can't say because there are certain rappers who never
>say anything too political but I want them to just because of
>their talent.
>
>I think it boils down to who you like as an individual and
>whatever prejudice you have for that person, looking at them
>and their background deciding what they can or can't say.

  

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fontgangsta
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Mon Jan-27-14 01:11 AM

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4. "when we agree with them"
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>what is the quality that somebody preaching at us must have
>in order to not be annoying?

  

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bills
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6. "basically."
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That, and kinda like what someone else in here said, I'm re-interpreting it, but we make judgements on rather someone is entitled to a certain opinion or how vocal they can be about it based on the information we have about their background/experience with the issue.

  

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philpot
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7. "yup, ppl care more abt the messenger than the message"
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philpot
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8. "anyone get tired of being preached at abt the supremacy of money..."
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and power

these rappers who always preach about their narrow codes & think everyone else should follow

annoying

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bigr2k
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Mon Jan-27-14 08:19 AM

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9. "I thought "Same Love" is fine?"
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Macklemore was able to plainly talk about marriage equality in an accessible manner better than any artist in any genre this past year. He also addressed homophobia in Hip-Hop pretty artfully too.

  

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