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otto_von_piffmarck
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"how obvious is it in retrospect that kane wrote LL's verse on "rampage"?"
Tue Jan-21-14 01:17 AM by otto_von_piffmarck

  

          

not to mention wrote "the break of dawn" and various other cuts on "mama said knock you out"...

but that one verse in particular is undeniably penned by kane and it wasn't even hiding it a la rakim - "summertime".

  

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RE: how obvious is it in retrospect that kane wrote LL's verse on "rampa...
Jan 21st 2014
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I don't believe he wrote it
Jan 21st 2014
2
I don't buy it
Jan 21st 2014
3
Summertime wasn't Rakim so I can't take this post seriously n/m
Jan 22nd 2014
4
yeah, i forgot it was just will biting his style/voice to the letter.
Jan 22nd 2014
5
      RE: yeah, i forgot it was just will biting his style/voice to the letter...
Jan 22nd 2014
6
           RE: yeah, i forgot it was just will biting his style/voice to the letter...
Jan 22nd 2014
7
           is that confirmed anywhere?
Jan 22nd 2014
10
                RE: is that confirmed anywhere?
Jan 23rd 2014
17
                     didn't get a writing credit on it? they give him a flat-fee?
Jan 23rd 2014
18
                     RE: is that confirmed anywhere?
Jan 23rd 2014
19
                          ok so he completely bit rakim's rhyme schemes, cadence, etc?
Jan 24th 2014
20
how obvious is it that Bblock ghost wrote this post? n/m
Jan 22nd 2014
8
RE: There are layers to this shit.
Jan 22nd 2014
11
Its Bammer not BBlock
Jan 22nd 2014
14
      the layers of my snark run deep
Jan 22nd 2014
15
           http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5iyszWSvR1qg39ewo1_500.gif
Jan 22nd 2014
16
           LOL
Jan 24th 2014
21
can't it just be an extremely skilled rapper being influenced by another...
Jan 22nd 2014
9
RE: how obvious is it in retrospect that kane wrote LL's verse on "rampa...
Jan 22nd 2014
12
Heres $5 catch a taxi cab, take your post round the corner to OKP rehab
Jan 22nd 2014
13

melanon
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Tue Jan-21-14 04:33 AM

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1. "RE: how obvious is it in retrospect that kane wrote LL's verse on "rampa..."
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You can't just throw shit like that out there. Kane was in Barry White/Patti Labelle mode by the time rampage dropped.

  

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Garhart Poppwell
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Tue Jan-21-14 06:32 AM

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2. "I don't believe he wrote it"
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the one time LL won't use ghosts is on track with other emcees he respects and views as competition

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Innocent Criminal
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3. "I don't buy it"
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But stranger things have happened.

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kwez
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Wed Jan-22-14 03:51 PM

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4. "Summertime wasn't Rakim so I can't take this post seriously n/m"
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otto_von_piffmarck
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5. "yeah, i forgot it was just will biting his style/voice to the letter."
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foh. not buying it.
especially given will's history with ghostwriters.

ra probably signed a non-disclosure.

  

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melanon
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Wed Jan-22-14 04:01 PM

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6. "RE: yeah, i forgot it was just will biting his style/voice to the letter..."
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Wed Jan-22-14 04:02 PM by melanon

          

Juice wrote summertime. That's 100% fact.

  

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7. "RE: yeah, i forgot it was just will biting his style/voice to the letter..."
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>Juice wrote summertime. That's 100% fact.

Thank You. If you didn't say it, I would've

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dustin
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10. "is that confirmed anywhere?"
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I've heard that Juice wrote it before but this is one of those things that always comes up without a source.

  

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melanon
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17. "RE: is that confirmed anywhere?"
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Yes, it's been confirmed straight from Juice's mouth.

  

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18. "didn't get a writing credit on it? they give him a flat-fee?"
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Thu Jan-23-14 01:39 PM by Bombastic

  

          

>Yes, it's been confirmed straight from Juice's mouth.

  

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dustin
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19. "RE: is that confirmed anywhere?"
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> Yes, it's been confirmed straight from Juice's mouth.

Thanks for the link. I googled and this was the best I could find, a copy-pasted quote from Juice:

>>>
BallerStatus.com: Have you done ghost-writing for any artists?

Juice: When I first moved back to Chicago from L.A., I began working with Clubhouse Entertainment. I was part of a writing team that produced "Summertime" by Will Smith, "The Kissing Game" by High Five, "Pass the Toilet Paper" by OutHere Brothers. I would freestyle in the booth and if there were any hot lines to be used, they would use 'em. I didn't really understand publishing at the time and didn't really care because those cats kind of took me in. We got sued by Kool and the Gang for the sample and nobody made money. It let me know that I had what it took to be a writer though. I am still working with the producer of "Summertime" (K Fingers aka AZZA). Everyone in Chicago knows he's still my guy. We just wrote and produced an album for a new artist, and I'm re-writing "Summertime" for him (He's a shorty, so we think it could work again). We'll see.
<<<
http://www.jazzyjefffreshprince.com/forum/topic/13356-summertime-written-by-rakim/page-2

Same forum, somebody posted about a tweet from Jazzy Jeff:
"@djjazzyjeff215 Fyi...Rakim did not write Summertime...I love Rakim to death but that was 100% Big Willy Styles..."

http://www.jazzyjefffreshprince.com/forum/topic/13356-summertime-writtenby-rakim/


  

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otto_von_piffmarck
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20. "ok so he completely bit rakim's rhyme schemes, cadence, etc?"
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i mean it would be one thing if the song sounded like "juice"...

  

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8. "how obvious is it that Bblock ghost wrote this post? n/m"
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11. "RE: There are layers to this shit."
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``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``

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14. "Its Bammer not BBlock"
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15. "the layers of my snark run deep"
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few years back i went to town trying to put bammer who was then kelving on blast for being bblock. i later realized it wasn't true. but compound that with bblock's post last year about shafiq ghosting for dilla, and well it's damn near a quadruple entendre in one subject line.

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16. "http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5iyszWSvR1qg39ewo1_500.gif"
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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5iyszWSvR1qg39ewo1_500.gif

  

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21. "LOL"
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base

  

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9. "can't it just be an extremely skilled rapper being influenced by another..."
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12. "RE: how obvious is it in retrospect that kane wrote LL's verse on "rampa..."
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Not true...at all...

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13. "Heres $5 catch a taxi cab, take your post round the corner to OKP rehab"
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