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"Most Jigga Bangers out of Just Blaze, Kanye, Timbaland & Neptunes"


  

          

I was listening to It's Hot by Jay & was like "damn, Tim been lacing Jigga w/heat for a minute." Then I said the same w/the other producers that's mentioned. So, I wanted to see who y'all think has given Jay more bangers. Not necessarily the number of tracks tallied but joints that are certified bangers! If there's a producer that I forgot, add them & the songs as well.

I tried looking for the poll option but I guess it don't show up when posting from the phone

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Tough to say but by my definition of "bangers"...
Jan 08th 2014
1
Well it definitely is NOT Kanye since none of his beats "bang"
Jan 08th 2014
2
this post needs this list I compiled so people can judge properly
Jan 08th 2014
3
Yea JB wins.
Jan 08th 2014
4
Just Blaze pretty easily
Jan 08th 2014
6
Just Blaze wins, but his work with Neptunes is pretty great
Jan 08th 2014
20
Kanye's list has more of my personal favorites. n/m
Jan 08th 2014
23
RE: this post needs this list I compiled so people can judge properly
Jan 08th 2014
27
RE: this post needs this list I compiled so people can judge properly
Jan 08th 2014
33
HEY PAPI... missing some Timbo tracks
Jan 09th 2014
39
      like i wrote initially, i didn't include songs that aren't on Jay-Z albu...
Jan 09th 2014
42
Bangers? That has to go to Just...Just gave Jay bangerz on KC
Jan 08th 2014
5
what bangers on Kingdom Come did he give him?
Jan 08th 2014
7
Oh My God and Kingdom Come.
Jan 08th 2014
9
thank you those beats were bangers I"ll add show me what you got
Jan 08th 2014
10
Show Em Watch You Got was easily the best from a production standpoint
Jan 08th 2014
13
hated Oh My God, the beat w/the Whipping Post sample sounds way too busy
Jan 08th 2014
11
Man get out of here the best song was the Kanye joint
Jan 08th 2014
12
      Do U Wanna Ride easily my favorite joint from KC
Jan 08th 2014
15
      "I put my niggaz on my niggaz put that niggaz on know we all
Jan 08th 2014
18
      Nah I go Trouble all day, I don't even remember the song u talkin about
Jan 08th 2014
16
           I feel the same way as you I don't even remember Trouble
Jan 08th 2014
17
                no, Dip Set diss was Dig A Hole
Jan 08th 2014
25
                     yea I listen to it once you was talkin about it
Jan 08th 2014
29
i pre-ordered KC just off the video of JB making the beat for kingdom co...
Jan 08th 2014
32
DJ Premier's list is shorter but damn near flawless with Jay
Jan 08th 2014
8
Yea this may be the winner.
Jan 08th 2014
14
A Million and One Questions remix also bangs
Jan 08th 2014
19
The Remix has one of my favorite lines from Jay
Jan 08th 2014
22
I like the remix better
Jan 08th 2014
28
Also, if we're going there, might as well include his work w/ Ski:
Jan 08th 2014
21
96-99 Primo and Jay were unstoppable
Jan 08th 2014
24
Depends on the mood
Jan 08th 2014
26
AGREED!
Jan 08th 2014
30
With some exceptions of course...
Jan 08th 2014
31
the answer is Just, but Kanye is the reason Jay's still a big deal
Jan 08th 2014
34
Compelling observation & looking back, I can't disagree
Jan 09th 2014
35
I've seen him 4 times since AG dropped.
Jan 10th 2014
44
This is an awesome and mostly correct theory IMO...
Jan 09th 2014
36
Even the way MCHG was put together though...
Jan 09th 2014
38
I'm intrigued by the dynamic between Jay and Kanye
Jan 09th 2014
37
ALLOW ME TO REINTRODUCE MYSELF!
Jan 09th 2014
40
Damn...
Jan 09th 2014
43
I look at it like, Bangers was Just's "Job" on the team
Jan 09th 2014
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Brew
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1. "Tough to say but by my definition of "bangers"..."
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it's probably Just Blaze.

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2. "Well it definitely is NOT Kanye since none of his beats "bang""
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I'd say Timbaland simply from his technical mastery of drums. Maybe Just Blaze.

  

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3. "this post needs this list I compiled so people can judge properly"
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Wed Jan-08-14 12:49 PM by wrecknoble

  

          

this is a list of production credits for the 4 producers named based off Jay-Z's studio albums alone.

i've included tracks that they have co-producer credits on as well. where there is collaboration between the producers, that's also indicated.

this includes all tracks, not just "bangers", but those are easy for people to pick out from the list.

clearly there are tracks that are not on Jay-Z albums that are bangers, such as "What We Do" by Freeway, but i don't have the time to make a list that includes all of those.

Timbaland
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-Nigga What, Nigga Who (Originators 99)
-Paper chase
-It's Hot (Some Like It Hot)
-Snoopy Track
-Big Pimpin
-Come and Get Me
-Hola Hovito
-What They Gonna Do
-The Bounce
-Dirt Off Your Shoulder
-Off That
-Venus vs. Mars
-Reminder
-Holy Grail
-Picasso Baby
-Tom Ford
-FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt
-Oceans (w/ Pharrell)
-F.U.T.W.
-Heaven
-Versus
-Part II (On The Run)
-JAY Z Blue
-La Familia


Neptunes
---------
-I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me)
-Excuse Me Miss
-Fuck All Nite
-Nigga Please
-A Ballad For The Fallen Soldier
-Change Clothes
-Allure
-Anything
-I Know
-Blue Magic
-So Ambitious
-Gotta Have It (w/ Kanye West)
-BBC (Pharrell)


Just Blaze
---------
-Dynasty Intro
-Stick To The Script
-The R.O.C.
-Soon You'll Understand
-Girls, Girls, Girls
-U Don't Know
-Song Cry
-Breathe Easy (Lyrical Exercise)
-Hovi Baby
-U Don't Know (Remix)
-Meet The Parents
-Some How Some Way
-As One
-Show You How
-Bitches & Sisters
-December 4th
-Public Service Announcement
-Oh My God
-Kingdom Come
-Show Me What You Got
-Ignorant Shit
-American Gangster


Kanye West
---------
-This Can't Be Life
-Takeover
-Izzo (H.O.V.A.)
-Heart Of The City (Ain't No Love)
-Never Change
-Girls, Girls, Girls (Part 2)
-'03 Bonnie & Clyde
-Poppin Tags
-Some People Hate
-Encore
-Lucifer
-Do U Wanna Ride
-What We Talkin About
-Thank You
-Run This Town
-A Star Is Born
-Already Home
-Hate
-Young Forever
-No Church In The Wild
-Lift Off
-Niggas In Paris
-Otis
-Gotta Have It (w/ Neptunes)
-New Day
-That's My Bitch
-Why I Love You

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4. "Yea JB wins."
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I'm surprised how short the Neptunes/JayZ list is.

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6. "Just Blaze pretty easily"
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kinda surprised at how good their chemistry was. Wonder why they haven't done any work recently?

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20. "Just Blaze wins, but his work with Neptunes is pretty great"
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A few clunkers here and there (see: Change Clothes), but they worked well together. Aside from Clipse, Neptunes did its best hip-hop work with Jay.

I'd also say Timbaland did his best hip-hop work with Jay, but damn, their collabos fall off a fucking cliff after "Dirt Off My Shoulder."

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23. "Kanye's list has more of my personal favorites. n/m"
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27. "RE: this post needs this list I compiled so people can judge properly"
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33. "RE: this post needs this list I compiled so people can judge properly"
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I really honestly don't know who to pick out of those 4. It would seem like it would be the Neptunes but looking at that list they have to be at the bottom. Leaning towards Timbo but Just and Kanye might be tied at second.

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39. "HEY PAPI... missing some Timbo tracks"
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>this is a list of production credits for the 4 producers
>named based off Jay-Z's studio albums alone.
>
>i've included tracks that they have co-producer credits on as
>well. where there is collaboration between the producers,
>that's also indicated.
>
>this includes all tracks, not just "bangers", but those are
>easy for people to pick out from the list.
>
>clearly there are tracks that are not on Jay-Z albums that are
>bangers, such as "What We Do" by Freeway, but i don't have the
>time to make a list that includes all of those.
>
>Timbaland
>---------
>-Nigga What, Nigga Who (Originators 99)
>-Paper chase
>-It's Hot (Some Like It Hot)
>-Snoopy Track
>-Big Pimpin
>-Come and Get Me
>-Hola Hovito
>-What They Gonna Do
>-The Bounce
>-Dirt Off Your Shoulder
>-Off That
>-Venus vs. Mars
>-Reminder
>-Holy Grail
>-Picasso Baby
>-Tom Ford
>-FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt
>-Oceans (w/ Pharrell)
>-F.U.T.W.
>-Heaven
>-Versus
>-Part II (On The Run)
>-JAY Z Blue
>-La Familia
>
>
>Neptunes
>---------
>-I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me)
>-Excuse Me Miss
>-Fuck All Nite
>-Nigga Please
>-A Ballad For The Fallen Soldier
>-Change Clothes
>-Allure
>-Anything
>-I Know
>-Blue Magic
>-So Ambitious
>-Gotta Have It (w/ Kanye West)
>-BBC (Pharrell)
>
>
>Just Blaze
>---------
>-Dynasty Intro
>-Stick To The Script
>-The R.O.C.
>-Soon You'll Understand
>-Girls, Girls, Girls
>-U Don't Know
>-Song Cry
>-Breathe Easy (Lyrical Exercise)
>-Hovi Baby
>-U Don't Know (Remix)
>-Meet The Parents
>-Some How Some Way
>-As One
>-Show You How
>-Bitches & Sisters
>-December 4th
>-Public Service Announcement
>-Oh My God
>-Kingdom Come
>-Show Me What You Got
>-Ignorant Shit
>-American Gangster
>
>
>Kanye West
>---------
>-This Can't Be Life
>-Takeover
>-Izzo (H.O.V.A.)
>-Heart Of The City (Ain't No Love)
>-Never Change
>-Girls, Girls, Girls (Part 2)
>-'03 Bonnie & Clyde
>-Poppin Tags
>-Some People Hate
>-Encore
>-Lucifer
>-Do U Wanna Ride
>-What We Talkin About
>-Thank You
>-Run This Town
>-A Star Is Born
>-Already Home
>-Hate
>-Young Forever
>-No Church In The Wild
>-Lift Off
>-Niggas In Paris
>-Otis
>-Gotta Have It (w/ Neptunes)
>-New Day
>-That's My Bitch
>-Why I Love You


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42. "like i wrote initially, i didn't include songs that aren't on Jay-Z albu..."
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compiling a list of those would take up too much of my time compared to quickly going through his album discography and pulling out track titles based on production credits

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5. "Bangers? That has to go to Just...Just gave Jay bangerz on KC"
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Jay just didn't do em right

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7. "what bangers on Kingdom Come did he give him?"
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best song on that album was a Dre joint (Trouble).

  

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9. "Oh My God and Kingdom Come."
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And yes they were bangers.

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10. "thank you those beats were bangers I"ll add show me what you got"
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Wayne killed that shit like Jigga should have

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13. "Show Em Watch You Got was easily the best from a production standpoint"
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and yeah Wayne killed that.

  

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11. "hated Oh My God, the beat w/the Whipping Post sample sounds way too busy"
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and the OMG white-girl-voice hook was ill-advised.

That's one of those joints that sounds like it's *supposed* to go hard (deploying the same classic-rock-flip-formula well as Takeover with Five To One) but just comes off ho-hummingly irritating to my ears.

Kingdom Come was alright.

  

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12. "Man get out of here the best song was the Kanye joint "
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"Do you wanna ride" or maybe the prelude...but def not trouble

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15. "Do U Wanna Ride easily my favorite joint from KC "
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18. ""I put my niggaz on my niggaz put that niggaz on know we all"
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somewhere foreign chillin sippin something" that is def the best "song" on the album.

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16. "Nah I go Trouble all day, I don't even remember the song u talkin about "
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Prelude was great but it's still a prelude, Jay always kills intros & this was one of the more understated production-wise.

Trouble bangs with that ominous minor-piano-chord, the vocal sample, that atonal/high-loop coming in/out, the haunted/stuck-doing-this-shit theme works better than a lot of the more high-minded-faux-classiness of other parts of this album, he builds momentum lyrically/flow-wise and then he absolutely spazzes on the third verse.

Trouble is a Top 25 Jigga song for me perhaps, at least Top 40.

I don't have another song on Kingdom Come I'd even consider putting in the Top 50.

Wait, I just remembered Do You Wanna Ride while typing, you talking about the John Legend cut being the album's best?!?!

Jesus, NO.

  

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17. "I feel the same way as you I don't even remember Trouble"
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that's the one he diss Jim Jones?

Do yo u what to ride is the best song..banging kanye beat, good hook..Jay-z riding the beat sounding as close to his old self as he did the whole album.

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25. "no, Dip Set diss was Dig A Hole"
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Trouble was the Dre joint with the 'I done got in trouble again' vocal sample with Jay saying 'I try to pretend I'm different but in the end we all the same (all the same)' where he opens up addressing the R Kelly shit to open, the getting-Free-pregnant rumors in the second, then the pea-shooter-flow/75-Bars-levels-of-n-bombs in the final verse with the whole song based around his failure at trying to play the evolved record company president while finally coming to terms with the fact that what he really enjoys doing is acting like a rapper & airing motherfuckas out in ignorant/cocksure fashion.

Sorely underrated Hov song mostly because of the album it shows up on.

As for Do You Wanna Ride, I'll just agree to disagree because to me John Legend sucks & nothing about that beat bangs.

  

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29. "yea I listen to it once you was talkin about it"
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its straight..well agree to disagree

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32. "i pre-ordered KC just off the video of JB making the beat for kingdom co..."
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8. "DJ Premier's list is shorter but damn near flawless with Jay"
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A Million and One Questions/Rhyme No More
D'Evils
Bring It On
Friend Or Foe
Friend Or Foe '98
So Ghetto
Intro: Hand It Down (Jay shoulda hopped on this shit)

Am I missing any?

  

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14. "Yea this may be the winner."
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19. "A Million and One Questions remix also bangs"
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First two verses are the same, but the beat switch-up/verse is different.

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22. "The Remix has one of my favorite lines from Jay"
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"I slow flowed yall to death so now yall can know who's best...Jigga!"

His delivery was perfect on that.

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21. "Also, if we're going there, might as well include his work w/ Ski:"
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- Can I Get Open? (Original Flavor)
- Many Styles (Original Flavor)
- In My Lifetime
- Politics as Usual
- Dead Presidents
- Feelin It
- 22 Twos
- Streets is Watching
- Who U Wit

Some of the best shit Jay ever did in there.

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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24. "96-99 Primo and Jay were unstoppable"
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Don't know why Jay hasn't worked with him since.

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26. "Depends on the mood"
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Club Bangers - Timbo
Smooth Cuts - Neptunes
Anthems - Just Blaze
Introspective/Album cuts - Kanye
Lyrical Bangers - Primo

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30. "AGREED!"
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31. "With some exceptions of course..."
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you more or less nailed it.

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Tiger Woods
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34. "the answer is Just, but Kanye is the reason Jay's still a big deal"
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in response to your question the literal answer is Just Blaze.

But Jay got a lot more out of Kanye than just some beats. For starters, the surprising superstardom of Kanye almost immediately after the release of College Dropout stirred something up in Jay. Some may disagree but I GUARANTEE "retirement" Jay looked at Ye in the Spring of 04 like "nah, this ain't the dude to take my spot. He can't even spit like that!"

Fast forward to Late Registration and Jay deliberately ignored the proposed subject matter of "Diamonds Remix" just to bust Kanye's ass. For better or worse, that was the most inspired Jay would sound at any point in the period between Black Album and American Gangster.

I think Jay mostly came so vicious on American Gangster because he was embarrassed about how poorly Kingdom Come was received. But you also can't ignore the hysteria caused by the rollout of Graduation -Ye v 50- and the overwhelmingly positive response of that album. Watching this all transpire from the couch in his Tribeca high rise certainly motivated Jay as well. Here it was, the first "Post-Hov" mega event in rap and not only wasn't he involved but the main star of the saga was his former label mate who last he saw was getting started just as he was leaving music.

American Gangster worked wonders for Jay-Z. Though he barely acknowledges it at all now and plays none of it's songs live, Gangster reminded everyone just how special he was. The following Summer Jay would go on to triumphantly headline Glastonbury, the distinct moment where Jay-Z the best rapper of all time graduated to JAY-Z: PEER TO BONO AND PRINCE AND MADONNA.

Luckily for Jay, he'd drop a dog shit album (BP3) anchored by one megahit at the same time Kanye dropped his least-focused effort 808s and Heartbreak. 808s was Kanye's first record that didn't substantially improve his starpower, so Jay would remain situated as the top dog at best, and at worst would only be viewed as an equal to Kanye.

I'm not certain that Jay likes Kanye West as much as he likes being important. I think if you're Jay-Z in Winter 2010 you look at the pandemonium caused by "Dark Fantasy" and you're puzzled by it but suddenly also totally cognizant of the force that is Kanye. I mean here you have a guy who by all accounts committed career suicide with his first lackluster album, 808s, then an incident that proved to be a way more detrimental deal than it should've been, the Taylor Swift incident; yet, through it all Kanye didn't just endure, he thrived. There's simply no way Jay-Z could fathom that kind of unbridled creativity as well as the fierce loyalty of Kanye's fans/critics; he couldn't fathom it because no one was more calculated in the 2000s than Jay. For all his careful plotting, Jay-Z was never ADORED like post-Fantasy Kanye was. Naturally, when the call came to make Watch the Throne he didn't bat a lash to accept Kanye's invitation.

The yarns about the Throne sessions are well documented. Jay essentially had to play by Kanye's rules during the making of the album. For us the listeners it worked out tremendously well. We got the most focused Hov we'd had since American Gangster, to the point he was even introducing new flows and rapping over beats you'd NEVER find on a Jay-Z solo release. Suddenly he wasn't just the still-sort of hip-elder-statesman, he was Michael Jordan reborn in the LeBron era.

Last Summer was hilarious because Jay's one upsmanship finally backfired on him. Weeks after Yeezus drops, with so many people still trying to digest it and make sense of this unorthodox release, Jay hits you with the "oh by the way I have an album too!" In all of his cunning wisdom he makes the story the "how" instead of focusing on the music itself. I can't say Magna Carta was a TOTAL bust -it still yielded hits and served as a launching point for the mega Timberlake joint tour. But there's no denying that the stunning rawness of Yeezus contributed to Magna Carta's cool reception from critics, social media users, and bloggers. (In fact, as polarizing as Yeezus was, even those that didn't like it voiced their appreciation for Kanye's attempt at reinvention when comparing the album to Jay's bland album.) Even Magna Carta's cover art is a direct descendant of the "epic" tone established by Kanye with the WTT album art and tour...funny when you consider that while Jay was still trying to keep up with that aesthetic KANYE WENT AESTHETIC-LESS for the Yeezus packaging.

In short, Kanye has served as a convenient safety net for Jay for the better part of the last 10 years. Everytime Hov ran out of ideas or did some lame shit, he left it to Kanye to give the Jay-Z brand a shot in the arm. And it was a mutually beneficial relationship as well; Jay got to borrow Kanye's artistic capital while Kanye was viewed as the first credible peer to Jay if by nothing else than association.

  

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35. "Compelling observation & looking back, I can't disagree"
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Does he say why he doesn't perform AG joints live? It's one of his top 5 albums! "I Know" to "Success" is some back to back HEAT!

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High Society
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44. "I've seen him 4 times since AG dropped."
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The first show was in Baltimore RIGHT after AG was released.
5 city AG tour in House of Blues like venues.
He ran through the entire AG album
and also did another hour of classics.

Then saw him in New Orleans on BP3 tour.
He did at least: Roc Boys, I Know, Say Hello (to the Bad Guy.)

WTT Tour.
I don't believe he did anything from AG during his solo sets.

Made in America (Philly).
He'd changed the set list since BP3.
Can't say I remember anything from AG. He did strictly hits
and can't say I blame him based on the crowd.
Kept saying I've got a MILLION of these and the crowd ate it up.
What was once a treat to hear, 'Where I'm From' has become
a standard at Jay shows.


At this point, I don't think I need to see another Jay concert.
Unless it is an anniversary year for one of the classics
and he does a special concert ALA the RD 10 year anniversary show.
Surprised he didn't do a 10 year anniversary Blueprint NYC show
with proceeds going somewhere.


As far as this theory goes, incredible depth and insight.
Stepping away from my Jay and Ye fanboy perspective for a moment
I gotta say this is spot on analysis. Good read.

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Brew
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36. "This is an awesome and mostly correct theory IMO..."
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Thu Jan-09-14 09:00 AM by Brew

          

>The yarns about the Throne sessions are well documented. Jay
>essentially had to play by Kanye's rules during the making of
>the album. For us the listeners it worked out tremendously
>well. We got the most focused Hov we'd had since American
>Gangster, to the point he was even introducing new flows and
>rapping over beats you'd NEVER find on a Jay-Z solo release.
>Suddenly he wasn't just the still-sort of hip-elder-statesman,
>he was Michael Jordan reborn in the LeBron era.

..not to mention very well written and thought out. The above is the only part I disagree with. And I don't even know that it's a disagreement, so much as it is a point where I would say that Jay trying new flows and styles isn't necessarily a good thing at this point. He sounds terrible over a lot of those beats and a lot of the flows he's used since (the whole "uh!" thing he's got going on has to stop) have been unbearable at best.

But like I said, everything else you said is very on point IMO. But while I think that while Kanye has helped Jay remain relevant, since 2007 the Kanye influence on Jay has been mostly negative from a strictly musical standpoint. Jay was better when he thought of himself as better and above Kanye. Since 2007 it's like he's been trying to imitate Kanye's "pushing the envelope" and that's never been Jay's MO. You mentioned the MCHG album cover, which is correct. The album TITLE can also be considered a Kanye carbon copy. I think it's safe to say that from 2000 or whenever Kanye started producing for Jay, that Kanye was chasing Jay and always a few steps behind. Since 2008 or so, Jay's been chasing Kanye. And I've hated most of Kanye's music since Graduation so that results in my hating most of Jay's music as well, unfortunately.

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38. "Even the way MCHG was put together though..."
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There's never been a Jay-Z album with that collaborative nature of production on each song, which is what Kanye's been doing since MBDTF. He's always used multiple producers but not on the same song: Pharrell & Timbo, Timbo & Swizz Beats, Timbo, JT & The Dream, etc.

I like that aspect to composing albums so I'm by no means criticising it.

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37. "I'm intrigued by the dynamic between Jay and Kanye"
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I don't doubt that there's a definate closeness between them but it seems the competitive spirits sometimes win out. Kanye's recent interviews where he claims himself to be the best and cites Drake and Wayne as his only competition has to rub Jay a certain way seeing as he's still an active artist.

Kanye's openly taken credit for a lot of Jay's achievements, namely Blueprint, Blueprint 3 and WTT so I wonder if Jay ever feels like he has to prove himself away from Kanye sometimes?

I really don't think he'd ever say it but I wouldn't be surprised if Kanye ever thought of it like... "John Legend, I made him a star; Big Sean, I made him a star; Pusha T, I made him a star; Jay-Z, I made him a star!"

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40. "ALLOW ME TO REINTRODUCE MYSELF! "
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Hov's most notable track's to the younger generation are PSA, 99 Problems, Empire State, and N'z In Paris... PSA is that track even the EDM kids know words to, Empire state obvi cross over, 99 problems like a pop culture type catchphrase song... paris obviously huge... Kanye only important to 1 of the 4... I think jay would've been fine without him

BUT I do see your point totally... Though considered the ultimate trendsetter, Jay has relied on other's to set/find trends, he's just really good at jumping on them before everyone else AND riding the wave perfectly. Kanye has helped him kind of locate these trends, like he rides Kanye's "coolness" which has definitely helped Jay's career. So I think you can def make the argument that Jay would not be the ICON that he is if Kanye was never in the picture.


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43. "Damn..."
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41. "I look at it like, Bangers was Just's "Job" on the team"
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Just Blaze kind of grew into that lane, that was his purpose in the production line up. ESPECIALLY after Jay stop working with Primo, and later when Bink bounced.

When the whole concept of "The Banger" faded in the hip-hop landscape..so did Just's role in Jay's catalog..





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