Both were British takes on the Black American sound of their day (or 5 years later). Don't get me wrong, some critics acknowledge this, but the average fan does not. And as far as a 70s arena touring band goes (the pinnacle of that era, they held their own with Parliament, EW&F, Chicago and the like).
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...and were extremely fucking good at it, like practically the best. Bee Gees on the other hand started out as a soft-pop band and they were good at that too but not comparable. Later Bee Gees started to go in a more MOR-direction as well as R&B, disco etc. and many of those rockists might not care too much for those styles.

Alternatively, they might not think that the Bee Gees were as good as the actual R&B and disco-acts of the era; maybe a bit too pop- and lightweight-sounding compared with the big funk-bands or the best disco.

Of course, Rolling Stones did that stuff too but their reputation is primarily based on their raw rock-songs from the 60's and the classic roots-rock albums they did between 68-72; had Stones status been based strictly on albums like "Black and Blue" and singles like "Miss You" and "Emotional rescue", they would probably be viewed as a lesser act than Bee Gees, even by the rockists; however, it's not really that material that gets props and appear on "Best ever"-lists...

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Emotional Rescue is still one of the best British disco songs ever, though.

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(Send It To Me, half of Black & Blue) fake punk (half of Some Girls), fake barouque/chamber pop (As Tears Go By, Lady Jane), fake country (Dead Flowers, Sweet Virginia) and on and on.

However it was always filtered through the lens of being The Rolling Stones-an originally-blues-based/bar-room-Beatles/riff-and-rebel-posing/sixties-singles-machine British band that went on to be arguably the greatest rock & roll band of all-time in their apex with the BeggarsBanquet/LetItBleed/StickyFingers/GetYerYaYasOut/ExileOnMainStreet sequence cementing that legacy but with highlights prior and then to follow in later periods.

The Bee Gees on the other hand wouldn't even be considered a rock band by most rock fans then or even now.

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i would posit that post #0 is an indictment in itself but i'm old and cranky.

Awwww.....

J/k

Shock's answer came after J had already thoroughly explained why he thinks Rockists revere the Stones over the Bee Gees. Rather than cosign that or repeat it he gave the short version, which is 'no'. Lol

But importantly, you got your answer. And some light ribbing. The Lesson is not a place for soft feewings. Take that to Confession Wednesday in GD.

fuck you.

its easy to give the snark answers. its hard to actually know what you're talking about.

I've been here longer than my profile suggests.

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There's not much to add. So you got some light ribbing. Keyword: light. It ain't like he talked about yo mama or said you have a short dick or som'n. get over it.

fuck you.

Or just regular ole Sock snark

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the bee gees got their start in australia doing beatles-lite stuff but they returned to the uk before they really blew up.

The Stones helped define the arena concert tour in the early 70s and perfected it throughout the decade and beyond. They have a serious edge over the Bee Gees there too. Anyway it's sliced the Bee Gees are the inferior act when viewed through a Rock lens. Which is why Rockists would give the Stones more props.

fuck you.

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because they don't.

But we can differ in opinions
Quote unquote rockists don't claim a lot of artists/bands that don't fit their rock mold
Just like other genres don't seem to claim artists/bands that don't fit their ideas of a genre
Hell...try and get your average rock fan to rep funkadelic as one the best rock bands


With that said, it speaks volumes that the rock gatekeepers have them in the hall when other so called rock gods aren't.

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rockists generally don't like disco - or MOR - at all.

and the bee gees are certainly not in the RRHOF for their pre-saturday night fever material

i think they're basically in there because of their sales only.

>rockists generally don't like disco - or MOR - at all.
>
>and the bee gees are certainly not in the RRHOF for their
>pre-saturday night fever material
>
>i think they're basically in there because of their sales
>only.

Yep...their mammoth sales and cultural impact was just too much to front on...Same as ABBA....

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

you come in here and don't know nothing and it shows.

berry gibb and his brothers wrote big hits on there brother Andy, barbaria stresiand and post Snf "islands in the stream" for kenny rogers and dolly parton.

jive turkey the bee gees had the songs which moved people.

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i love the bee gees music period. they re invented themselves.

the rolling stones been on the same shuck and jive for 30 plus years.

Andy Gibbs solo career>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mick Jagger's btw

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They did eventually turn into kind of an oldies/rehash act, but don't front on how chameleonic they were to start out with. What people think of as the "essential Stones sound" doesn't cover about half their music.

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loved blues and everything R&B. they couldn't be the beatles or Led zepplin so they bit a bit of each amongest others.

sorry ole Chap the Stones are vastly overrated

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you got a problem with me saying they is Over R.A.T.E.D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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they solidified themselves as one of the absolute greatest rock bands ever, despite their lesser later material.

your opinion is immaterial.

Rolling stones stank and are overrated

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learn to be civil, arsehole.

Because Le Freak is the Biggest selling record of all time for Atlantic

And if it's cultural impact...KISS should have been a shoe in

But I digress

I'm gonna bow out of this discussion because there's a generalization of rockists that don't fit my idea of a rockists

But I understand where you're coming from with the MOR thing

However, SNF didn't sell all those copies on its own

Rock folks tend to shit on things 10 years after the fact only to embrace it 20 years later.

BG's had a HUGE resurgence in the 90's

Mofos including so called rockists don't front on them anymore

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...they are really not particularly highly rated in those circles. Actually, ABBA is a good comparison as an act that isn't necessarily shitted on anymore but whose music is still more highly regarded from a sheer craft perspective ("You know, ABBA wrote some really good songs and the production was immaculate!") or as a "guilty pleasure" than viewed as an important, quality act. I'd put Bee Gees in the same boat.


>And if it's cultural impact...KISS should have been a shoe in

Kiss cultural impact was mostly felt in hair-metal musically and amongst teenagers and kids socially/culturally; neither of those things are highly rated by rockists. Personally, I would have put Kiss in there years ago but I actually think their *music* is underrated; I doubt most rockists-as opposed to RAWKISTS-feel the same way. Actually, even many rawkists don't care for Kiss and it's quite easy to explain why. Whatever, I dig the music they did between 74-77, was a big fan as a kid and never felt any shame about that even if I don't exactly consider them an amazing band or a GOAT or anything...



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>But I digress
>
>I'm gonna bow out of this discussion because there's a
>generalization of rockists that don't fit my idea of a
>rockists
>
>But I understand where you're coming from with the MOR thing
>
>However, SNF didn't sell all those copies on its own
>
>Rock folks tend to shit on things 10 years after the fact only
>to embrace it 20 years later.

Yes but the standard-bearers and core ideals of rockism has remained fairly static over the years; it's more about "OK, they weren't that bad and actualy pretty good and SOME disco is good music" than suddenly elevating a disco-act to Beatles/Stones/Dylan/Bowie/Springsteen/whatever status.

Note though that i'm not sure traditional rockists are particularly influential in the current rock-critic landscape which seems more shaped by the post-punk/New Wave era aesthetically than classic rock. In that context, Chic and possibly even Bee Gees might actually rate higher than Stones or Springsteen but that's a different discussion and I'm not sure the new tastemakers in rock-criticism are better than the old ones; I think there's a lot of annoying tendencies to downplay everything "earnest", "rootsy" and "honest" in favour of stuff that's more ironic or self-consciously artsy or "plastic" or "futuristic" or whatever...

You'll never see an act like that on a top 10 list

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it's not remotely close at all.

the bee gees have sold more than 220 million records.

That's pretty reductionist, and if that's the measuring stick for them as artists then perhaps you underappreciate both acts as well.

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and these days, those bee gees disco songs are going to get the rockist pass for being 'great pop songs'.

the slower stuff.

i haven't seen Rockists embrace 'You Should Be Dancing'. but maybe it's happening and i'm not up on it.

fuck you.

Bloody Aye. the Stones got some songs but are vastly overrated and to me tried too hard.

the stones aside from the billy preston era are soulless and boring to me.

Cheers for the Bee Gees them songs and catelog don't lie.

the rolling stones stole way more off of black folks even Mick Jagger doing that crack man's James Brown dance.

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>Bloody Aye. the Stones got some songs but are vastly
>overrated and to me tried too hard.
>
>the stones aside from the billy preston era are soulless and
>boring to me.
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>Cheers for the Bee Gees them songs and catelog don't lie.
>
>the rolling stones stole way more off of black folks even Mick
>Jagger doing that crack man's James Brown dance.

so chill Bloody Jive turkey

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anybody with a brain know the bee gees are way up there

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i just have different taste than you, maxxx.

i know you struggle with the idea that there isn't objective truth when it comes to taste but there you have it.

the bee gees are the real deal.

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but i'd take the stones all day, every day over the bee gees.

and that's not to say there aren't bee gees songs i like.

but

LOL.

no.

you don't ever think for your own, they control you and it shows.

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and vulgar with no words

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for everyone's sake, but particularly yours.

turkey

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do better.

was the father to Justin Timberlake and Thicke at being a trick about it, thing though the Bee Gees actually wrote classic songs and there fans embraced it all.

Rolling Stones fans are dense and don't know there history.

Bee Gees kept it real and it ain't even close in terms of the songs, singing and impact.

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>Rolling Stones fans are dense and don't know there history.


Muddy Waters is Rolling in his grave

Michael Jackson ain't though he said that Clam Chowder Jagger can't sing in key unless the Key is hot wired.

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the rolling stones gave it up for the originators. they got their name from a muddy waters song, for chrissakes. they weren't shy to credit their influences.

them stones were racist as well. brown sugar ans especially some girls.

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and artists like etta james.

plus they had the respect of their peers.

muddy waters even covered them.

but think what you want.

the cash they made off of jacking from black folks ain't even funny and deep down they feel bad.

fyi Michael Jackson did the same for many and your point?

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They were the rocket thrusters that propelled disco over the shark and into the vacuum of deep space

Now, thanks to that, disco is seen as foreign and kind of exotic and we have generic "disco revival" songs charting on pop radio. Not to mention the most disappointing album of the 21st century, which people who hadnt given disco a serious thought in years (if ever) couldnt wait to start fawning over.

Fuck the bee gees

>They were the rocket thrusters that propelled disco over the
>shark and into the vacuum of deep space
>
>Now, thanks to that, disco is seen as foreign and kind of
>exotic and we have generic "disco revival" songs charting on
>pop radio. Not to mention the most disappointing album of the
>21st century, which people who hadnt given disco a serious
>thought in years (if ever) couldnt wait to start fawning
>over.
>
>Fuck the bee gees

fuck you.

Get Lucky goes but I credit Nile Rodgers for that.

i'm in the minority there, it seems. the record left me cold.

fuck you.

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