So, Twelve Reasons was my biggest disappointment of the year. Not that it sucked but it just seemed like Ghost was shackled by the concept and the whole thing was more style than substance. His previous two albums were whatever, mostly due to beats and lack of direction. Working with the Rza again is not really on the horizon and the GhostDoom project remains in limbo.
Is Ghost done? If so, it's fine, he had a GOAT run but damn...
1. "the mighty have to fall at some point" In response to Reply # 0
Dude held it down for the majority of his career though. I enjoyed The Brown Tape more than Twelve Reasons to Die. The production fit Ghost better. I haven't thoroughly enjoyed a Ghost project since Fishscale but every album he's released since has some gems that make me have to purchase his joints.
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6. "RE: agreed... and i got Ghostface in my top 5.. haven't lost hope yet" In response to Reply # 4
I want to keep the faith but barring re-uniting with the Rza or him and Doom actually putting the album out and it being good...
It's not like Kanye is going to sign him and pay for some crazy production. It's not like he is going to end up working with Flylo or something either.
With this high concept shit having flopped, he will probably go back to yelling over Special Herbs leftovers and really bad Anthony Acid beats.
10. "I think he definitely spread the Fishscale sessions very thin" In response to Reply # 7
"Fishscale", "More Fish," (obviously) and "Big Doe Rehab" all came from recordings during the same period. Maybe even a track from "Apollo Kids."
I dunno, I still like all those albums quite a bit. I liked "12 Reasons to Die" too, though I haven't listened to it in a little bit. I still he's got something left in the tank and is capable of putting out very good albums.
13. "Just give us more Chamber Music/Legendary Weapons albums" In response to Reply # 12
and I'm straight. The ideal scenario is that we'd get a Wu-Tang album where they rap on these type of beats, but it seems impossible for all or most of them to be in the same room these days, so I'll gladly settle for 1-2 Wu members collaborating with other non-Wu affiliated MCs.
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15. "Said he's been working on SC2 for like 2 years now." In response to Reply # 0
And that he'll drop it when he feels it is ready.
There are a few things that I NEED to hear happen on SC2.
He's gotta at LEAST get back to the flow he had on FISHSCALE. That was the last album where he wasn't doing that basic ass flow he's been rocking where it sounds like he's just reading off the paper.
Also, I'd like to hear some RZA stuff on the album if he's gonna call it SC2.
21. "this type of posting is stupid" In response to Reply # 16
how about people just liked his version? why people have to be assholes is beyond me. you didn't like it, fine, but don't come up with stupid reasons as to why you think other people liked a project.
17. "I'm with Cooleh, BigReg and Mr. Show" In response to Reply # 0
he just sounds like he's gassed AND dejected from the 96-06 run:
1996: Ironman; platinum w/ semi-hit "All I Got Is You" 1997: Forever; 4x plat. lets not pretend he didn't begin to steal the show here 2000: SC; gold w/ semi-hit Che Che La Ghost 2000: The W; gold - fans are lukeworm Ghost murders this shit 2001: Bulletproof Wallets; went wood and was fucked by label unable to clear samples 2001: Iron Flag; gold, critical flop 2004: Pretty Toney; debuts @ 6 on the charts than falls off 2006: Fishscale; sells 250k in first week which landed him @ no.4 w/ strong Ne-Yo assisted single and than the label does nuthin to push the album after. that album is still not gold
that's a shit load of music/verses to record in a decade and all the critical love in the world isn't gunna mask that you were part of one of the greatest groups ever and 10 yrs later it seemed like white kids with degrees and a blog where the only ones who gave a shit
everything since has seemed phoned-in with jewels here and there. More Fish, 8 Diagrams, Big Doe Rehab, Wizard of Poetry, Apollo Kids, 12 Reasons to Die, and all them Wu Block, Wu Massacre, Theadore Unit shits
If i was Ghost I'd be a lil uninspired after 15+ yrs of critical acclaim, past fame and a new rap landscape celebrating dudes who are 1/10th nice as you
19. "12 Reasons is great to me" In response to Reply # 0
Technically it's more of an Adrian Younge project than a GFK one, so Ghost's personality and content were definitely restrained, and his storytelling was overshadowed by the production. Nonetheless there were still some incredible songs on there...I think I'll listen to it right now actually. The Brown Tape is great too obviously.
But really, Ghost's last great album was Bulletproof Wallets imo. I never really loved Fishscale like that, I might even take Pretty Toney over Fishscale.
>So, Twelve Reasons was my biggest disappointment of the year. >Not that it sucked but it just seemed like Ghost was shackled >by the concept and the whole thing was more style than >substance. His previous two albums were whatever, mostly due >to beats and lack of direction. Working with the Rza again is >not really on the horizon and the GhostDoom project remains in >limbo. > > >Is Ghost done? If so, it's fine, he had a GOAT run but >damn...
Ghostface is one of my favourites of all time. He was on an absolutely great run of albums/songs up to and including fishscale.
But I feel something is missing now. It's more paint by numbers gangster stories and I miss some of those curveball off topic gems (child's play, Maxine, the watch, the sun, good times, whip you with a strap etc) that made him a must listen mc..
24. "It's not a knock on Younge either" In response to Reply # 23 Wed Nov-20-13 12:43 PM by BigReg
The music was great. They just didn't come together...perhaps it was a little forced, perhaps Ghost felt a little burned out..etc.
Live Ghost seemed to be having fun with it when I saw em in NYC tho, one of the best live shows I saw this year (and I see like 50+) But on wax...something was off.
29. "I think you guys just need another actual Ghost solo." In response to Reply # 0
I don't think he fell off at all, it's just he's been doing side projects while we wait for SC2, and it's been too long. He was still the best part of Wu-Block, held down the record with Adrian Younge and still had good leftovers on Apollo Kids. With Ghostface you can kinda tell he be holding back until the real albums.
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