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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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"About The Mars Volta's Frances the Mute album?"


  

          

How do you have your Frances the Mute track listing set up? Shit is confusing. Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus has four parts all together on track one. Track two is The Widow. Track three is L' Via L' Viaquez. Track four is Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore (in four parts). Track five and forward is where it gets confusing. Cassandra Gemini has five parts listed on the album (A. Tarantism/B. Plant a Nail in the Navel Stream/C. Faminepulse/D. Multiple Spouse Wounds/E. Sarcophagi) yet there are 8 remaining tracks. Track 11 basically revisits track five, Cassandra Gemini: Tarantism. Track 12 revisits the opening of track 1, Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus. Now there is a track left over. Track 9 is the only one without lyrics so is it a continuation of the previous track which is Cassandra Gemini: Multiple Spouse Wounds?

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I just press play
Nov 10th 2013
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And how about the title track?
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there was a title track?
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      Yeah
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           How long is the title track?
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                ~8 minutes
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                     RE: ~8 minutes
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on the original leak, it was 5 total tracks.. they left Cassandra Gemini
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Never switched it.
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its like this
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RE: its like this
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RE: Is that true?
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      it's on the FtM wiki page, for what that's worth
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           RE: Ahh, I see.
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                I believe it
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it and Deloused are two of the greatest things to come out of
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RE: About The Mars Volta's Frances the Mute album?
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supablak
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1. "I just press play"
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I've NEVER paid attention to any of that.

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Auk_The_Blind
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2. "And how about the title track?"
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My solution was to just rip the album and then stitch up Cassandra Gemini into a single 30 minute track.

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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3. "there was a title track?"
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Auk_The_Blind
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4. "Yeah"
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I guess that was Japan only though.

Came on a separate disc alongside three live tracks from Deloused.

It took some fiddling to get the levels to match up, but it seques into Cygnus, so I'm pretty sure it was either intended as the opening track or last track.

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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7. "How long is the title track?"
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Auk_The_Blind
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8. "~8 minutes"
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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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9. "RE: ~8 minutes"
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I always wondered why those lyrics were included behind the cd casing but nowhere to be found on the album. Well actually I do understand since a cd only holds 80 mins of music.

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DonWonJusuton
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5. "on the original leak, it was 5 total tracks.. they left Cassandra Gemini"
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as all one track (31:42)... and it actually makes MUCH more sense, because they lost some of the transition quality when they split that song up... i bought a physical copy, but i only listen(ed) to that original leak version

  

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Ashley Ayers
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6. "Never switched it."
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astralblak
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10. "its like this"
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1. Cygnus
2. The Widow
3. L'Via L'Viaguez
4. Miranda That Ghost Aint Holy More
5 -12 is Cassandra Gemini: Tarantism I and II; Plant A Nail In The Naval Stream; Faminepulse; Multiple Spouse Wounds I and II; Scarcophagi I and II

They had to split the last song into tracks because the label said at only 5 tracks it was an EP and would only pay them as such. It does have 5 movements, but was arbitrarily split by Omar and Cedric

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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12. "RE: its like this"
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>1. Cygnus
>2. The Widow
>3. L'Via L'Viaguez
>4. Miranda That Ghost Aint Holy More
>5 -12 is Cassandra Gemini: Tarantism I and II; Plant A Nail In
>The Naval Stream; Faminepulse; Multiple Spouse Wounds I and
>II; Scarcophagi I and II
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>They had to split the last song into tracks because the label
>said at only 5 tracks it was an EP and would only pay them as
>such. It does have 5 movements, but was arbitrarily split by
>Omar and Cedric

Thanks for this and I remember them talking about the reason for splitting the tracks like that. I don't understand why a 70+ minute project would be considered an EP. I thought the length of the project played a part in making it an EP too?

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13. "RE: Is that true?"
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>They had to split the last song into tracks because the label
>said at only 5 tracks it was an EP and would only pay them as
>such. It does have 5 movements, but was arbitrarily split by
>Omar and Cedric

Do you have a source for this?


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14. "it's on the FtM wiki page, for what that's worth"
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>>They had to split the last song into tracks because the
>label
>>said at only 5 tracks it was an EP and would only pay them
>as
>>such. It does have 5 movements, but was arbitrarily split by
>>Omar and Cedric
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>Do you have a source for this?

  

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Austin
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15. "RE: Ahh, I see."
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It should definitely say (citation needed) next to that.


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There are limits on the publishing paid on an album (I think its capped at 12 tracks per CD?), so I can buy a label trying to pull that.

  

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11. "it and Deloused are two of the greatest things to come out of"
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2000 - 2009

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17. "RE: About The Mars Volta's Frances the Mute album?"
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Just found this today.

http://albumsthatneverwere.com

DISC ONE :
1. Frances The Mute
2. Cygnus....Vismund Cygnus
3. The Widow
4. L'Via L'Viaquez

DISC TWO :
5. Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore
6. Cassandra Gemini

In honor of the announcement today that The Mars Volta are breaking up, I thought I’d share this album reconstruction I created recently. This is a reconstruction of what The Mars Volta’s 2005 album Frances The Mute was supposed to be, notably with the addition of the title track crossfaded into “Cygnus…” to open the album, as well as the closing 30-minute epic “Cassandra Gemini” reunited as one track, instead of split into eight pieces. The main source used for my reconstruction was a high quality vinyl rip to secure the dynamics that were lost on the overly compressed and brickwalled CD version. My Frances The Mute reconstruction is thus divided into two 45-minute discs, hence its subtitle. The vinyl side divisions are ignored here, as one would have to break up “Cassandra Gemini” ten minutes into the song, defeating one of the purposes of this reconstruction.

The first task in this reconstruction was to edit out the locked grooves in the vinyl version. On the record, the locked grooves contained short samples of the songs themselves, so that as the needle moves into the locked groove, the song will play endlessly. Obviously this needed to be removed for my reconstruction. All tracks have been edited to mimic the CD version of the album without the locked grooves, and in some instances a short sample of the actual CD pressing was needed to patch in a missing gap of audio. This would have only been for a few seconds, and the volume of the CD-sourced patches were adjusted to match the vinyl mastering.

The next task was to restore “Frances The Mute” as the opening track of the album. Unfortunately, there was no quality vinyl rip of The Widow single available for my reconstruction, so the CD version is instead used, volume adjusted to match the vinyl-source. The song was crossfaded into the beginning of “Cygnus....Vismund Cygnus“, with the “Sarcophagi” intro to “Cygnus” acting as the resolution of the tension created at the end of the “Sarcophagi” ending of the title track. The decision was made not to seamlessly crossfade the “Sarcophagi” riffs of the two songs together and thus omitting a couple minutes of ambient effects over the repeated “Sarcophagi” riff, for the sake of staying with the album’s motifs of lengthy atmospheric and experimental passages between the proper songs.

The final element to be corrected in my Frances The Mute was to rejoin the erroneously fractured “Cassandra Gemini” into one 32-minute track, as many fans are adamant that is the correct option for an optimal listening experience. Again, the locked groove was edited out and the brief missing audio was patched in from the CD to make a continuous vinyl-sourced “Cassandra Gemini” that follows the CD version. By the way, if one was to break “Cassandra Gemini” into its five correct movements, the splits would be at 11:25, 21:51, 28:44 and 31:38.

Enjoy what I believe is one of the masterpiece rock albums from the last decade, in what I believe was how The Mars Volta intended the album to be, with the best possible dynamic range.

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