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thebigfunk
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"Matthew Shipp on Chick Corea - wherein he forgets his filter?"


          

Damn.

http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/matthew-shipp-chick-corea

I really don't know that much about Shipp, know him mostly through acts that he's been associated with... but it's always interesting to see someone go after a big name like Shipp does here.

Thoughts? Not having heard the album, I feel like he comes off as a bit of a dick here. There's honesty, and then there's disrespect. But whatever - like he says, he feels like he operates in a totally different world than Corea, so I guess he's just calling it as he sees it?

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yeah, he did go a bit extra there. I also completely agree with him
Oct 25th 2013
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yeah, that cover is ridiculous!
Oct 25th 2013
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that was def my favorite part
Oct 25th 2013
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RE: He's becoming more known for his big mouth these days.
Oct 25th 2013
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I think its great
Oct 25th 2013
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      RE: I think its great
Oct 25th 2013
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he comes off like he has an axe to grind
Oct 25th 2013
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you don't talk about no Chick Corea
Oct 25th 2013
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JayEmm
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Fri Oct-25-13 09:19 AM

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1. "yeah, he did go a bit extra there. I also completely agree with him"
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" The Cover of This Album

The album cover is provocative; specifically, it provokes vomit. He must be kidding with this cover — it was barely excusable in the '70s — now it's beyond a sick joke. It is reminiscent of the cover of Return to Forever's Romantic Warrior (1975), so is it a hangover from the '70s or some L. Ron Hubbard stuff? It mars the whole concept of the album and almost makes it difficult to take seriously the artistic instincts of this composer. The first thought when I saw it was, 'Is he some type of sick creep or does he have such a great sense of humor that the joke is on us?' "

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Fri Oct-25-13 09:35 AM

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4. "yeah, that cover is ridiculous!"
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this is all on point.

  

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thebigfunk
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6. "that was def my favorite part"
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I literally laughed out loud when I read that paragraph, and then read it again.

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Austin
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2. "RE: He's becoming more known for his big mouth these days."
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He seems like a real joy to hang out with. **rolls eyes**

And I agree with most of what he's saying.


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imcvspl
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Fri Oct-25-13 09:46 AM

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5. "I think its great"
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Nobody else has the balls to say the shit. Shipp is secure enough in what he does that he feels he can take folk to task. Also he doesn't hide his personal bias. He lays it all out there, and then gives you succinct criticism that speaks beyond it.

"But at the end of the day, The Vigil is basically '70s fusion, nothing more, nothing less. It is mostly extremely well done and professional but misses any edge.
In some ways The Vigil is a victim of a paradigmatic '70s jazz marketing worldview. It does what it sets out to do. Its strengths are also its weaknesses."

That's some pretty good music criticism in 2013

On a side note i like the idea of that site, may have to check it more often.

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thebigfunk
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7. "RE: I think its great"
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>Nobody else has the balls to say the shit. Shipp is secure
>enough in what he does that he feels he can take folk to task.
> Also he doesn't hide his personal bias. He lays it all out
>there, and then gives you succinct criticism that speaks
>beyond it.

>That's some pretty good music criticism in 2013

This is mostly how I feel... mostly. It reminds me of those Miles Davis blindfold sessions you posted a while back. Straight, no chaser. Part of me applauds the confidence and the brashness, but part of me sort of sighs at it, too. It's how I feel about competitiveness in art/music as a whole, though - I like the idea of competition as inspiration, but I also sort of loathe it. So maybe this is like a rorschach test for one's aesthetic philosophy, lol...

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>On a side note i like the idea of that site, may have to check
>it more often.

I only just started following it. A lot of them feel a bit incestuous, which is one reason Shipp's comments appealed to me. It would have been easy to couch criticism in nice language, but there's something refreshing about the directness... I need to go back and read his Keith Jarrett one, though.


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Garhart Poppwell
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3. "he comes off like he has an axe to grind"
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just because he doesn't like the music
and from what he says a lot of that disklike comes from the fact that he's never really liked Corea as a frontman
this makes me wonder why he'd bother reviewing it in the first place, since he has a lifetime bias against him

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mistermaxxx08
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Fri Oct-25-13 12:17 PM

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8. "you don't talk about no Chick Corea"
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Corea is one of those piano players like joe sample and herbie hancock that you leave alone.ahmad jammal as well and a few others.

look corea really ain't done much of new ground in many years, still he is one of the most distinctive musicians ever imo.

i could care less about cover art, just either you dig what you hear or not?

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