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bucknchange
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"complex best rapper of the 90s list LOL"


  

          

snoop at #8

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/10/best-90s-rappers/

1. biggie
2. pac
3. nas
4. face
5. hov
6. 3k
7. cube
9. lauryn
10. redman

  

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RE: my own damn list
Oct 23rd 2013
1
you down south enwurdz
Oct 23rd 2013
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What's wrong with snoop being #8?
Oct 23rd 2013
2
Take off Lauryn, replace with E 40 or a Wu member
Oct 23rd 2013
3
I'd switch Scarface and Ice Cube, replace Red w/ Meth (lol)
Oct 23rd 2013
5
Always sleepin on Q Tip
Oct 23rd 2013
6
im taking guru over qtip
Oct 23rd 2013
12
even complex can't make a bad list
Oct 23rd 2013
7
RE: Omission of Common and Black Thought in top 10 is criminal.
Oct 23rd 2013
8
I thought this also, but I can't decide who I'd kick off to include them...
Oct 23rd 2013
9
shit I'd kick off Cube and Lauryn
Oct 23rd 2013
11
      I feel you, but Cube is a sacred cow so you kinda have to include him
Oct 23rd 2013
21
           RE: And Com put Cube's rap career on life support.
Oct 24th 2013
24
                People like us remember that beef....but a lot of people don't
Oct 24th 2013
25
its just silly to put people like Face and Snoop
Oct 23rd 2013
10
      Y'all are trippin. Let's not act like lyrics are the end all
Oct 23rd 2013
16
once again, Black Thought gets snubbed... ridic
Oct 23rd 2013
13
Am I the only one who would take Jay off???
Oct 23rd 2013
14
cee lo green definetly over lauryn hands down.
Oct 23rd 2013
15
-- a ReaL Top 10 Rapper/MC's of the 90's List :
Oct 23rd 2013
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why isn't ghost mentioned more as the GOAT?
Oct 23rd 2013
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cause even though he had moments from 93-99
Oct 23rd 2013
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      ahhh.
Oct 23rd 2013
22
my 10 back then
Oct 23rd 2013
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RE: complex best rapper of the 90s list LOL
Oct 24th 2013
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bucknchange
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1. "RE: my own damn list"
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1. snoop, 2. pac 3. biggie, 4. ice cube 5. nas 6. scarface 7. qtip 8. methodman 9.pimp c 10. jay-z

  

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astralblak
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4. "you down south enwurdz"
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Stay trying to add er'one outside of 3Stacks and Face in the convo, lol. Pimp C FUCK NO

and LOFL at Snoop @ one

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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2. "What's wrong with snoop being #8?"
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Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

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fluicide
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3. "Take off Lauryn, replace with E 40 or a Wu member"
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list fixed

  

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5. "I'd switch Scarface and Ice Cube, replace Red w/ Meth (lol)"
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Wed Oct-23-13 07:00 PM by TRENDone

  

          

and switch Meth and Lauryn...and you got a solid mainstream list.

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6. "Always sleepin on Q Tip"
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And Guru, of course.

  

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judono
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12. "im taking guru over qtip"
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7. "even complex can't make a bad list"
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Wed Oct-23-13 07:12 PM by Kosa12

  

          

when an overwhelming number of obvious picks/contenders for the list are good
this wouldn't be my list, but I have no problem with it

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8. "RE: Omission of Common and Black Thought in top 10 is criminal."
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``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu
"untitled 5." http://bit.ly/GWjmBl
"king of rain." http://bit.ly/GNVnDp
"saudade de maņana." http://bit.ly/1hNZLhy
"1.5.2.0." http://bit.ly/18UMv7A

  

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fluicide
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9. "I thought this also, but I can't decide who I'd kick off to include them..."
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astralblak
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11. "shit I'd kick off Cube and Lauryn"
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Cube's last good album was in 93

And Lauryn has verses on one GROUP album, and what 4 verses on her solo?

  

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fluicide
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21. "I feel you, but Cube is a sacred cow so you kinda have to include him"
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He owned west coast rap til Snoop showed up..

  

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24. "RE: And Com put Cube's rap career on life support."
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``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu
"untitled 5." http://bit.ly/GWjmBl
"king of rain." http://bit.ly/GNVnDp
"saudade de maņana." http://bit.ly/1hNZLhy
"1.5.2.0." http://bit.ly/18UMv7A

  

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fluicide
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25. "People like us remember that beef....but a lot of people don't "
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Thu Oct-24-13 11:41 AM by fluicide

  

          

..and there are people that would say Common got mopped by Cube when he said "I'm bombin on Common Sense, Chicago is mine/ nigga hit the fence" and you can bet money that they've never even heard The Bitch In Yoo.
Common could replace Lauryn easily, though.

  

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astralblak
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10. "its just silly to put people like Face and Snoop"
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Over them if we're talking about rapping

But since popularity and the ever hardly articulated "influence" come into play, you know the drill

  

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16. "Y'all are trippin. Let's not act like lyrics are the end all"
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>Over them if we're talking about rapping
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>But since popularity and the ever hardly articulated
>"influence" come into play, you know the drill

Snoop's overall flow, delivery, style...that's HUGE points that even 80's Hip Hop heads will acknowledge. His lyrics were always C+, a B+ at times, a D+ at times...but all else was there for sure. And he always knew how to make songs, hits, all that, which also gives huge points. His image and appeal COMBINED with his talent is what made him huge...just the image and appeal alone wouldn't have got him anywhere.

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13. "once again, Black Thought gets snubbed... ridic"
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Black thought should be top 5 on this list..absolutely over B.I.G.

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14. "Am I the only one who would take Jay off???"
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Outside of Reasonable Doubt, I like more of Jay's music in the 2000s... I include Vol 3 in the 2000s...

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judono
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15. "cee lo green definetly over lauryn hands down. "
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17. "-- a ReaL Top 10 Rapper/MC's of the 90's List :"
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you almost have to factor in the 90 - 94 era, the 93 - 97 era - and the 96 -99 era, and look at them separately in order to formulate a legit list. analyze those individual timelines from the decade, pick the cream of the crop from each period, and then compile the list and re-evaluate at the end. for example: from 91-94, ice cube was wrecking shit. from 95-99... not so much. but... the NWA, Death Certificate, Kill at Will, and even parts of Lethal Injection and Predator? that run right there? Plus the Boyz in the Hood and Friday movies??? based on how inventive and groundbreaking hiphop was during the early 90's, the more limited production technology... how 'young' rap/hiphop was... sound / style / cultural impact / critical acclaim / trend setting / and when it boils down to it: having some dope shit? That is a cold ass run right there... NWA, Death Certificate, Kill at Will, Lethal Injection , Predator and the Boyz in the Hood and Friday movies.... but folks forget about the beginning of the decade and the cultural impact and favor the mid to later years the most. is that correct logic? i dont know. Is Snoop's contribution on The Chronic and Doggystyle greater than Cube's? Without really thinking about all the factors, most folks would say yes. Sitting down and really taking a closer look? that's a tough one to call. Might not be a Snoop if Cube wasn't that dude.

Notorious Big is always over-rated. Was Biggie a better MC than Big L with the wordplay and straight rhymes?

that said, here is my list.

1. andre 3000. southernplayalistic / atLiens / aquemini. compLetely originaL, groundbreaking, trendsetting, Lyrical. without the gun talk and seLLing dope angLe (even Biggie and Nas came with that gun talk, selling dope shit. these days that shit ain't considered lyrical. but back then? well , just check the best of lists. but 3000 was never on that shit) .... in an era when everybody was either on the NewYorkCity boom bap nuts, or the WestCoastG Shit nuts, it was never cool or trendy to be from the south and get props. but andre 3000 came with that unique different original creative and was spitting in his own lane. Andre 3000 from outkast takes the crown.

2. nas. iLLmatic / it was written. iLLmatic goes without saying. even tho for some reason it was written caught a helluva lot of flack from certain circles, i thought that bitch was dope as fuck. for those 2 albums, nas gets #2 spot. Where Nas doesn't deserve the top spot is for that booty-ass, bullshit-ass 3rd album he dropped where he blatantly sold out, went for that all the way commercial bullshit, and sold the fuck out and switched his style up. that oochie wally bullshit? and all them duds on that 3rd album? can't be rated over andre 3000. where nas showed slight decline from the 1st to the 2nd album (to many folks, not sure i agree), he absolutely digressed from the 2nd to the 3rd album and fell the fuck off.

3. black thought. do u want more / illadelph. the most under rated, overlooked, and under-ranked of all time on these bullshit ass lists (if he ain't in the top 10, it's a bullshit ass list), Black Thought belongs in the top 10 MC/Rapper list in both the 90's as well as the 00's.

4. tupac. taking straight MC'ing out of the equation in the 'wordplay' sense of the definition (KRS never really MC'd with the straight up 'wordplay' like that either.. KRS was a spitter and kicked knowledge, but a straight forward rhymer never-the-less)... as a Rapper / performer / songwriter / cultural icon / and based on the sheer volume of his creative output before he passed at 25 yrs old, Pac was much wiser than his years. He influenced an entire generation of both youth and adults with his contributions to rap music and the 90's. Imagine if Tupac was still alive. Look at the level of his status at it's peak. Compare that status to the level of JayZ and Puffy during that same timeframe. Now look at the status and cultural level of JayZ and Puffy today in 2013. They are both 100millionares. During his time, Tupac had a much more significant cultural status. If Pac was still alive today, imagine..

5. ice cube. NWA / kill at will / death certificate / Boyz in the Hood movie / Friday movie / Lethal Injection. It Was A Good Day single. based on this list of contributions, it almost seems like ice cube should feasibly take the #2 spot ahead of nas...

6. guru . gang starr. definitive east coast aesthetic. guru was a straight forward rymer / story teller / knowledge dropper. step in the arena / daily operation / hard to earn / moment of truth / . that 4 album run right there? plus over premier production?

7. cee lo green. from his appearances on outkast's albums, to the goodie mob : Soul Food and Still Standing albums, not to mention one of the greatest guest features on a hiphop album all of time (Common's One Day It'll All Make Sense), cee lo green might belong in the top 3 mc / lyricists from the 90's when it boils down to it. Always deep , thought provoking , and poetic, Cee Lo is absolutely more lyrical and musically meaningful than Notorious B.I.G. as an MC. Cee Lo was so cold on the mic that Common never let Cee-Lo Green get another guest feature on any of his future projects as a Rapper. Lol. Common only let Cee Lo receive future features as a Singing Vocalist.

8. snoop. the chronic / doggystyle. based on cultural impact and significance, you will be hard pressed to find 2 albums that shifted / influenced / and impacted a culture more than The Chronic and the resulting anticipation that followed before snoop released the classic Doggystyle LP.

9. common. resurrection / one day it'll all make sense.

10. i can't fill this blank in because it's about a 10-way tie for the #10 spot.

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Joe Corn Mo
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18. "why isn't ghost mentioned more as the GOAT?"
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the more i dig into his catalogue, the more he becomes my favorite rapper.


beat selection? check.
lyrical content? check.
flow? check.
it factor? check.
classic albums? check.

i mean, what's missing?

  

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20. "cause even though he had moments from 93-99"
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His mastery really exploded from 00-06

He is in the convo, for the 90s he's in my top 10

  

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22. "ahhh. "
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Wed Oct-23-13 10:15 PM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

yeah. i can see that.

he did his best work during a time period
when nobody would be checking for him to drop his best work.

and the zeitgeist had moved on, even though he was in the zone.


makes sense.

  

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19. "my 10 back then"
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Cube 1)

2Pac 2)

Scarface 3)

Snoop 4)

Biggie 5)

LL 6)

Nas 7)

3 Stacks 8)

L Boggie 9)

Sugga Free 10)

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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melanon
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23. "RE: complex best rapper of the 90s list LOL"
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Prodigy & Meth not making the list is insane. Q Tip too.

  

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