If you conducted a poll to determing the 10 greatest emcees of all time, KRS-ONE would have been in just about everyone's top-five. There was a consensus that of the pre-Nas-Jay-Big-Pac era, KRS, Rakim, Slick Rick, G Rap and Kane were the creme de la creme.

Today' KRS's name rarely comes up in discussions of all-time greats, even though he has better albums than Rakim or Rick, and actually had logged hits long after the others had faded into the old-school set. It's true, "Step into a World" was getting radio and club spins when Ra, Rick and Kane were relegated to the old-school set.


So, what happened?

>If you conducted a poll to determing the 10 greatest emcees
>of all time, KRS-ONE would have been in just about everyone's
>top-five. There was a consensus that of the
>pre-Nas-Jay-Big-Pac era, KRS, Rakim, Slick Rick, G Rap and
>Kane were the creme de la creme.
>
>Today' KRS's name rarely comes up in discussions of all-time
>greats, even though he has better albums than Rakim or Rick,
>and actually had logged hits long after the others had faded
>into the old-school set. It's true, "Step into a World" was
>getting radio and club spins when Ra, Rick and Kane were
>relegated to the old-school set.
>
>
>So, what happened?

I think MCs who don't rhyme with "swag" per se don't really rate in today's hip-hop canon because they don't have enough descendants, so to speak.

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The art of storytelling was getting radio play in 99. KRS wasn't getting no spins after I got next in 97. And I only brought radio spins up because you mentioned it. With that said, most dudes 30+ will have KRS in their top 10

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

like rap city and rap radio dedicated to "real hip hop" (like the wake up show or friday night flavors in Los Angeles) but i don't remeber it getting too much shine

>like rap city and rap radio dedicated to "real hip hop" (like
>the wake up show or friday night flavors in Los Angeles) but i
>don't remeber it getting too much shine

that may be true but he managed to get a gold album in 99 so something was working for him.

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Especially compared to Chuck D like AFKAP said. KRS is always at the top of most people's all time MC list or at the very least he is mentioned as one of the most influential.His lyrics are still pretty frequently quoted by younger MC's and he is still held up as "The MC's MC". One of the best things about Nosetalgia by Pusha T is that KRS sample. It just adds to the edge and darkness of that song.

Folks don't want to "KNOW" anything, or put in work to recognize or have true grace, skills, ideas, genius.

They just want that shortcut/bare minimum of output to feel "relevant" or "cool" or "buy into" or whatever/however that works.

KRS-ONE is from that "SHOW & PROVE" generation, a generation where "biting" was a BIG no-no. Either you relate to that or you don't.

Folks hold a cat like 50 Cent in the KRS slot nowadays...his reasons for being hot were built more on his "HYPE" & "CIRCUMSTANCES"
(He got shot 9 times, He signed w/ Dre & Em, He beefing w/ blah-blah-blah, THEN In The Club gets mentioned).

KRS...only got paid attention to back in the day, cause that m.f. kept coming out with JAMS. Plain and simple. Cats didn't want to like Edutainment or Sex & Violence...but by the time them joints was over...SCHIIIIIIIEEEEEETTTT.

What constitutes a jam now is NOT the same criteria that constitutes a JAM then. No question.

Same goes with a cat like Big Daddy Kane...now cats looking at what you pulled up in, who you with,who you fucking, etc., etc., etc.


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his style of delivery upon his debut was pretty much the order of the day, but he continued to get better as each album went along in a way that was scary and damn near unheard of
Rakim turned flow and lyricism on their heads in addition to adding literary devices to his writing to the point of the actual writing being the center of the songs, not the beats
nobody before or since has been able to duplicate what he did in that regard

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I think Rakim gets more mention by some than KRS because there are an abundance of MC's that you can see as a direct link to Rakim that have had lots of success with Nas being the biggest. There really hasn't been a highly skilled MC that has been able to follow in KRS's footsteps with the many styles, battle skills, live performance capabilities all still while discussing topical issues in a thought provoking manner. If Saul Williams was a great MC and had the commercial success of Nas or Wu then I think you would get more people in the mainstream talking about Kris as an influence.

Rakim had crazy word lingo, he just didn't have the game for it to go solo.

He had that IT as far as a Lyricist however he never got off the ground as a Solo Artist. folks are still waiting for that album from him.

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it's one thing to say he never became a superstar solo wise, but he did get off the ground, and he did deliver a great solo album followed by a second, decent solo album.

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on aftermath was the hype that never came to be and we still waiting on that solo Album which would have been the Bizness.

Rakim is one of the Greatest MC's Ever however we never quite got that album from him.

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Rakim didn't. his first bars from "Eric B is President" completely changed lyricism. Rakim brought about all the 5 percenter talk, "kickin knowledge," etc.

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The point you're trying to make is valid, but the subject line isn't true.

Also one of the main reasons that rakim had such an impact was his command of voice. The never faltering monotone that commanded attention without yelling it, coupled with a focus on wordplay, made Rakim a changing point. People were doing some of it but nobody had put it so smoothly into a rap archetype until Rakim.

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Hard times are coming to your town
So stay alert, don't let them get you down
They tell you times are tough, you hear that times are hard
But when you work for that ace you know you pulled the right card

typical rhyme for Run DMC, and arguably for the time. AABB, with a lot of emphasis on the last word.

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which is why they were shitted on by a lot of heads. Rap was doing a lot back then and Run DMC helped homogenize it rather than expand that diversity. It's what happens with whoever the first to cross over is. There are usually predecessors but and folk at the time taking it further, but once the cross over has been annointed everything stalls out.

I only stress the point because they myth of it all is becoming more and more mythological with every year. Of course Rakim is the God but bot because he invented so to speak but he synergized.

It's like folk that hate rappity rap because they need a synergist to make it work in the context they are ready for. Jay-Z was the biggest synergist of the day. He didn't do anything new at all, but he synergized it all into a bigger than life archtype that overshadows what most anyone else did prior or during unless they died.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

but just a little
Rakim did invent internal rhyme schemes in the Hip Hop context, as well as lines and verses that have more than one meaning
Mo Dee invented intricate content but Rakim was the first guy to really treat lyricism like music and not just words
he is a craftsman of the highest order and unlike some of his acolytes he never wasted words

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....And when Rakim dropped, it made everyone else sound dated, even Kool Mo Dee

"Once I heard Rakim, I was no longer the best. I was a legend."

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of that era.

Young cats who don't even fuck with Rakim have adapted so much of his swagger and DON'T know it.

Simply put...his "swag" was more accessible.

Yeah...he's talking all this 5% gobbledy gook...but he's still dressed like a D-Boy, the cats on that album cover didn't look "righteous", but his style epitomized LLCoolJ's "Walking With A Panther" title.

Some people cared and did research about what Ra was talking about (Wu & Nas).
Others just, "Nah Mean..."ed and "Nahmsayin"ed the same way they dick ride and swagger jack Jay Z.

Rakim is an icon.

But think about it, Ra gets HELLA passes for his output after "Don't Sweat the Technique", he got signed to Aftermath off the half life of his past cred, he got a Hennessey ad off that same cred.

KRS One...continues to bring it on stage...but his studio output has gotten weaker and weaker (since what..."Sneak Attack"), PLUS he keeps yelling and screaming "HE IS HIP HOP" to an audience that doesn't know him, AND talking over their heads (even though he's really just trying to 'kick a lil' knowledge') that's considered "talking down" to today's consumer.

So yeah...if Rakim's Aftermath album would've came and gone with a quiet thud, as his signing with Dre did...Rakim's "relevancy" would've taken the same kind of hit Busta's did when all of a sudden he's rhyming about "coke" and "grimy" schitt that was just out of character for Busta...but definitely part of Dre's marketing/A&R playbook.

Funny thing...Rakim is the same age as Jay Z

s.blak
No Omega

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>
>of that era.
>
>Young cats who don't even fuck with Rakim have adapted so much
>of his swagger and DON'T know it.
>
>Simply put...his "swag" was more accessible.
>
>Yeah...he's talking all this 5% gobbledy gook...but he's still
>dressed like a D-Boy, the cats on that album cover didn't look
>"righteous", but his style epitomized LLCoolJ's "Walking With
>A Panther" title.
>
>Some people cared and did research about what Ra was talking
>about (Wu & Nas).
>Others just, "Nah Mean..."ed and "Nahmsayin"ed the same way
>they dick ride and swagger jack Jay Z.
>
>Rakim is an icon.
>
>But think about it, Ra gets HELLA passes for his output after
>"Don't Sweat the Technique", he got signed to Aftermath off
>the half life of his past cred, he got a Hennessey ad off that
>same cred.
>
>KRS One...continues to bring it on stage...but his studio
>output has gotten weaker and weaker (since what..."Sneak
>Attack"), PLUS he keeps yelling and screaming "HE IS HIP HOP"
>to an audience that doesn't know him, AND talking over their
>heads (even though he's really just trying to 'kick a lil'
>knowledge') that's considered "talking down" to today's
>consumer.
>
>So yeah...if Rakim's Aftermath album would've came and gone
>with a quiet thud, as his signing with Dre did...Rakim's
>"relevancy" would've taken the same kind of hit Busta's did
>when all of a sudden he's rhyming about "coke" and "grimy"
>schitt that was just out of character for Busta...but
>definitely part of Dre's marketing/A&R playbook.
>
>Funny thing...Rakim is the same age as Jay Z
>
He actually is about 2 years older than Jay but yeah it's crazy how
young these dudes were back then when making their classic LP's

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die an early death or really have a logo tag to his legacy,

his words and his skills was his rep. the way it outta should be.

South Bronx didn't need a Cell phone tie in to get a buzz

South Bronx didn't need to rent out a baseball stadium to Propose and do anything silly to get attention.

you must learn wasn't on some crying,sappy,pappy jive that Drake gets away with or Lil Wayne.

the Audience back then wanted to be challenged and you had to deliever period.

he came from a different era.

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...who in turn commands the youth of this era. He told a whole generation of hip-hop heads they weren't hip-hop, they took over and left him out.

Has he been inducted anywhere yet. Will he?

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

fast forward a decade later with Nelly and KRS One got nailed and dissed.

back in 93 He had Sound of da Police and folks cared, fast forward a decade later his records fell off and nobody wanted to hear him dissing a up and coming act that was happening and do you think KRS One would far any better today if he dissed Drake?

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The question is not "Why has KRS not made any good music since ____?"

It was "Why is he being forgotten?"

He can release records that make Criminal Minded sound like Rehdogg's Greatest Hits, but they question is "Why are people not caring?" and "Why are they seemingly not even caring about Criminal Minded?"

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I'm directly addressing a point he made, which is
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If KRS One is not making bad music (and he's not), then it
undermines the whole idea that his being forgotten is about him
not being relevant musically.

It reinforces the idea that hip hop's fanbase is now
comprised of people who don't really listen to music,
care more about cultural cache. This is a functional
definition of "hipsterism" and it absolutely has been
costly to artists like KRS One.

It is, again, how Jay-Z can release an awful album, rap
in a room at the MOMA, call it "performance art," and
sell 2 million albums.

I've seen KRS-One, not very long ago, rock a show while
doing graffiti on records being handed out, inviting random
people on stage to break while he performed. He's been doing
that for 20 years. Its consistent, artful and wonderful. It
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because I long ago abandoned the idea that quality has a direct impact upon popularity... if anything, a look at the charts and the hype on social media should tell you that the relationship is probably an inverse one.

But the part of imcvspl's post that I felt was cosign-worthy (and that caused me to overlook the fact that he said Kris's music sucked) was the fact that, like Metallica, Kris fought against the audience... and lost.

I admire the fact that KRS attempted to preserve what he (and I) saw as the true principles of hip-hop, but unfortunately, that battle was lost. You can tell Nelly and other rappers that they are not hip-hop, but when hip-hop ends up re-defining itself around their leadership, you end up on the outside. The wackness Kris was fighting against is the new standard.

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>because I long ago abandoned the idea that quality has a
>direct impact upon popularity... if anything, a look at the
>charts and the hype on social media should tell you that the
>relationship is probably an inverse one.

Well, sure, a Kim Kardashian rap album sells 4 million, easily.

Not sure what your point is.

>But the part of imcvspl's post that I felt was cosign-worthy
>(and that caused me to overlook the fact that he said Kris's
>music sucked) was the fact that, like Metallica, Kris fought
>against the audience... and lost.

Well, he didn't "fight" anything. He did, and continues to do,
what he's good at.

If "losing" means his music didn't sell as much as the next
artist, again -- a Kim Kardashian rap album sells 4 million
albums, right today. That doesn't constitute a KRS One "loss,"
at all, though.

You cosigned a stupid point about how KRS alienated people;
he didn't "alienate" anyone. He built a culture based on a
skill set. That skill set doesn't seem to factor into record
sales. That has nothing to do with him "alienating" anyone nor
does it constitute a "loss."

You cosigned it because you're a contrarian hipster who thinks
its cute to kick legends, that it communicates intellectual
honesty or courage.

It doesn't. Had you stopped to think for yourself, you would
have written that post off as stupid, like I did, because it
was stupid.

>I admire the fact that KRS attempted to preserve what he (and
>I) saw as the true principles of hip-hop, but unfortunately,
>that battle was lost.

Lol -- he's not any more of a conservationist than Jay-Z
or Kendrick Lamar are. Both call out wack rappers and trends
all the time. We're just harder on KRS-ONE because he's older
and its fun to kick old people.

Kendrick Lamar is well known, TODAY, specifically for calling
out a generation of underachieving rappers, on the grounds that
they don't produce good, thorough essential hip-hop lyricism.
If anything, people like Kendrick Lamar, wildly successful
and beloved by all corners of the hip hop world, are proof that
KRS's legacy lives, that he far from "lost."

So yeah-

a) Your "war" analogy is wrong because its not necessary; be
smart enough to discuss the issue on its own grounds

b) Even if we use your "war" analogy, KRS hasn't "lost" anything.
Again: KRS being grumpy and shitting on wack rappers is actually
pretty common among TODAY's artists. We just change the
standards because we think its cool to shit on Hip-Hop legends.

> You can tell Nelly and other rappers
>that they are not hip-hop, but when hip-hop ends up
>re-defining itself around their leadership

Nelly is currently cast member on a fake reality show on BET, and
his city has zero current influence on the rap world. A Nelly
tour is probably barely more successful than a KRS One tour is,
right today. I like Nelly a lot. Nice guy, made good music.

In 2013, we have BET Ciphers and rappers at the top of the food
chain calling out rappers for not being lyrical enough. We have
actual Battle rap LEAGUES around the country.

Sounds like the ghost of KRS One is smiling pretty proudly.

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shit was nonsensical like an Action Bronson verse.

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>shit was nonsensical like an Action Bronson verse.

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Nigga talking about all kinds of shit I never even said.

Funny this clown gonna call someone a contrarian when his whole raison d'etre is to build scarecrows and windmills for him to contradict when there's no need for it.

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>Nigga talking about all kinds of shit I never even said.
>
>Funny this clown gonna call someone a contrarian when his
>whole raison d'etre is to build scarecrows and windmills for
>him to contradict when there's no need for it.

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Sneak Attack, Spiritual Minded, Kristyles, Keep Right, Life, Adventures of Emceein, Maximum Strength

Have fun with that list.

Oh sure there's some tracks here and there... hell you might be able to compile a decent project between all of them, but to act like he wasn't dropping trash throughout that period is just plain stubbornness.

This spoken from a Boogie Down cat that grew up on Sedgewick and been a fan since Criminal Minded. None of it can tarnish his legacy in my eyes, but my opinion much like your own in this matter just doesn't count.

Be mad.

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the rest of that list?

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Survival Tactics could have been great, but KRS was the weak link on it, as much as it pains me to say it. It's sad because that album had a lot of potential, and the beats were actually up to par, but KRS phoned it in.

After that, the album with Tru Master was cool enough. But stuff like Keep Right was out and out mediocre overall. And I say this as someone who has KRS in his Top 3 of all time.

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and when you pair that with the 9 albums which came before spanning two decades without a dud among them, saying he was trash in the 00's is a fair assessment.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>and when you pair that with the 9 albums which came before
>spanning two decades without a dud among them, saying he was
>trash in the 00's is a fair assessment.

And Jay-Z seems to have done just fine.

As have dozens of other rappers that you don't
hate.

i actually give a fuck about krs. but that's not stopping me from being honest. if you were able to do that you'd realize a decade of dud albums while alienating all of hip-hop by proclaiming you are hip-hop without tongues-in-cheeks equals being pushed out of the relevancy for the generations of hip-hop that followed.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>i actually give a fuck about krs. but that's not stopping me
>from being honest. if you were able to do that you'd realize
>a decade of dud albums while alienating all of hip-hop by
>proclaiming you are hip-hop without tongues-in-cheeks equals
>being pushed out of the relevancy for the generations of
>hip-hop that followed.

He doesn't brag anymore than any other rapper, and only
"alienated" 16 y/o white girls from Orange County, like
you

And he's released lots of quality music in the last decade

So literally every single one of your points is wrong


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c'mon you can laugh at that one, it's okay.
now think about it.
unlike trying to call me a 16yo from orange county which pretty much everyon around here knows is just a dumb misdirection, my snark actually hits nail on the head of the issue.

Beyond the shitty music (which you already admitted was under 50% good so miss me with whatever other comments about quality you have) KRS tried to make hip-hop a religion and established a temple. He expected to attract an audience to hip-hop through religion.

Yeah he didn't alienate anyone with that one.

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

http://tinyurl.com/mq53uvf

Admit it, sis

This is the perspective you're coming from

>Beyond the shitty music (which you already admitted was under
>50% good so miss me with whatever other comments about quality
>you have)

Actually no, I said that if 50% of his records were good,
that would be a higher batting average than Jay-Z's last
5 albums, and Jay-Z just sold 2 million, which destroys
your point about the quality of the albums having anything
to do with his being forgotten

KRS tried to make hip-hop a religion and established
>a temple. He expected to attract an audience to hip-hop
>through religion.

It wasn't an actual religion : - (

It was a cool little rap gimmick, nobody hated him
for it

Unless you are Brenda Walsh, which you are

>Yeah he didn't alienate anyone with that one.

Maybe you, imcvspl 90210


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http://bit.ly/18Tdl24

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

>...who in turn commands the youth of this era. He told a
>whole generation of hip-hop heads they weren't hip-hop, they
>took over and left him out.

That is exactly who hipsters are.


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and will be remembered as top ten mcs 20 years after?

Nelly?

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(HIP HOP)
http://aquil.bandcamp.com

Kristyles
Hip Hop Lives
Survival Tactics
Meta-Historical
Godsville
The BDP Album


all dope albums

and there are many who would agree with him...


KRS still has tons of respect and can rock a show harder than over 90% of current hip hop acts..

he's absolutely my #1 mc of all time. not even a question.

>he's absolutely my #1 mc of all time. not even a question.

He's like Jordan with the Wizards. Yeah he's overweight and can't jump anymore but he's still the greatest.

The other legends he's mentioned with had a few albums people hold on to, then their career kind of tapered off. That allows you to look at them with nostalgia. They were able to leave at the top of their game, or at least not as far from the top of their popularity.

KRS has classics, but afterward kept releasing music that was not classic. It diluted his status to fans with poor historic perspective.

Even if his later music was good but not classic, acting as if he's hip-hop's gatekeeper made him sound like an old man yelling "get off my lawn!" and alienated his core fans to not even check his new music anymore.

Still one of the GOATs and one of my favs though.

Jay-Z has released shitty music continuously for
about 6 years

The difference is that Jay-Z has managed to keep the
white hipster community on his side, while KRS-One hasn't
tried to accommodate these folks

That's what drives popularity in hip hop


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That's what happened

This is how French Montana has a career

Criticizing KRS makes white hipsters feel almost as smart
as criticizing 2PAC

The truth is that there is literally zero to dislike about
KRS-ONE. Zilch. There is nothing without him. No art form.
Nada. And he pushed shit like graffiti and dancing WELL into
the 2000s.

He's a god.

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Dante Ross posted this on Facebook today... dopest shit I've heard in a long ass time!

http://www.unkut.com/2013/10/krs-one-criminal-minded-practice-sessions/

I always thought Essays on BDPism was a freestyle, good to see it included here

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Great looking on this.... so timely too huh....


werd.

on Tim Dog's "I Get Wrecked"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BCvDXRyPoE

I wonder when that section was recorded?
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Lately I've had the strangest feeling.... that you were GOOOONNNNEEEE

stop hating on the babies and get money poster at?

Note sarcasm

and its because yall let the industry dictate who is hot along with payola on the radio and these music websites(glorified blogs).

KRS is always in my top 5.

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(HIP HOP)
http://aquil.bandcamp.com

Jay is one year younger than Big Daddy Kane, and he just
sold two million.

A "youth movement" has nothing to do with it.

Its all about which rappers have properly aligned themselves
to hipsters.

Jay-Z's biggest blessing was not getting a deal until he
was much older, so he was able to keep his eye on the game
and align himself with the proper constituent of white people

Same with Nas and Eminem, etc. They are all relevant because
they have hipsters in their pocket.

Note how Ghostface has probably been the smartest about
this of anyone in the Wu, which is why he held the Wu's
flag for much of the 2000s. Hipsters love Ghost. Since then
Wu-Tang has resurfaced with this idea in mind: Raekwon is
doing songs with Bieber and shit.

Rappers who got on too early didn't learn how to adjust,
which they can't be blamed for -- nobody could have predicted
just how influential white hipsters really are. Its really
quite shocking. I saw that Jay-Z 'Picasso Baby' at the MOMA
bullshit and thought I was watching a fucking joke.


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Nas hasn't had a gold album since 2008. His popularity is on the decline. Jay is able to adapt to popular trends (being married to Yonce helps too) and Eminem is white. He's the last hope for white fans to have a popular white rapper. That's the only explanation for that terrible music to be selling as much as it has.

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

His popularity isn't, like Chief Keef, about waving
guns at police or laughing at dead kids. He's popular
in large part because of his embrace of hip-hop's past,
and his emphasis on yesteryear hip-hop ethics: being able
to actually rhyme being important, etc. He's absolutely
a throwback rapper.

If "the youth have moved on," then Kendrick Lamar wouldn't
be so popular.

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