Ok, let's say you can go back in time and take any one beat and give to any one MC...

What beat would it be and who would you give it to?

And you can take it any way you want.

If you want to take a Neptunes banger and give it to an underground MC because you think it will get your favorite MC some appeal...that's cool.

If you want to just take your favorite beat from Group Home and give it to a serious MC...that's cool.

Instead of 9th Wonder.

That's always my production "what if"

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Didn't Ye and Just say they were making beats with Ghost in mind when they produced the Blueprint?

>Didn't Ye and Just say they were making beats with Ghost in
>mind when they produced the Blueprint?

exactly and Ghost during that time would have murked those beats

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I think more so than Jay did.

without a doubt

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeeouIEH6Dg

doesn't really count, be even he says he wish he had this beat back then.

Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

to any rapper whose record label woulda released the goddamn instrumental

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whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me

and can we bring back biggie to do a verse?

>and can we bring back biggie to do a verse?

Lol

Busta would've been dope on that joint. Would've been a vintage When Disaster Strikes type of joint.

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

That track did fit them better.

As did Luchini so I'm glad Ski kept it for them.

i just recently learned that it wasn't a camp lo track but a ski solo joint featuring Geechi Suede. it still fit them better though. would have loved to hear Sonny Cheeba on there.

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and one I've never really considered before. Most of the time, if I absolutely LOVE a beat but the lyrics are subpar, I eventually come around and the song is so ingrained in my head that I just associate the lyrics with that beat and come to respect them and love them for what they are, if that makes sense. The same goes for great lyrics over subpar beats. I listen to the song so much because of the lyrics that eventually they are so intertwined that I never give any rise to the thought of "shit, I wish he spit this verse over the beat for _____," know what I mean?

So anyway...I gave this a little thought and came to a conclusion I feel OK with, though the more I linger on this I may come to change my mind. Is that OK? Haha

Anyway...my favorite rap song of all time is 2000 Seasons by Reflection Eternal. It's funny cause neither Kweli nor Hi Tek are my favorite MC or favorite producer, but this track just EPITOMIZES that late 90s resurgence of "dope beats/dope rhymes" or as they used to say: "real hip-hop" (for lack of a better term) that Rawkus and the Soulquarians, et al, came with, which we all fell in love with and I assume is the reason many of us are here on this site in the first place. It's just the perfect storm of a song. Both up and coming, raw, talented cats who just laced us with a bunch of great, grimey tracks, 2000 Seasons being the best of them all IMO. Hi Tek dropped a perfect, subtle yet amazing background with great vocal drops ("ohhhhh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy"), and an AMAZING piano loop, and Kweli absolutely fucked that shit up, mixing non-preachy social consciousness with braggadocios raps and the whole thing just blew my mind.

So - Common and Nas are my all time favorite MCs. Common from 1997-2002 I think was unfuckwithable. So in that vein, I wouldn't necessarily say "I wish Common rhymed over this track *instead* of Kweli," because, again, Kweli fucked that shit up. But a huge part of me wishes that 97-02 Common either remixed the song himself, or joined in with a third verse or something on a remix with Kweli. Either way, that's the type of beat I think that time period Comm would've ROCKED, and it's no shock that Kweli always said how much Common influenced him as an up-and-coming MC.

Anyway that's my call...for now. Just give me a Common remix of that beat and I'm good to go. Hope I didn't twist your rules around too much, haha.

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1 I'm hoping people post more than one...the post title was just for effect...so don't feel you need to just stick to one

2 I like the twist of adding which lyrics could go over another beat.

3. With that said...how insane would it be for Nas' verse on Last Words and Mos Def's verse on Hurricane to be on the same song? That shit goes too perfectly. Not sure what beat I would put them to though...I'll be back with my choice.

>1 I'm hoping people post more than one...the post title was
>just for effect...so don't feel you need to just stick to one

Nice. In that case I'll be back to post a bunch of these most likely. I'll be sleeping on this one tonite haha.


>2 I like the twist of adding which lyrics could go over
>another beat.
>
>3. With that said...how insane would it be for Nas' verse on
>Last Words and Mos Def's verse on Hurricane to be on the same
>song? That shit goes too perfectly. Not sure what beat I
>would put them to though...I'll be back with my choice.

Worddd to this. I'm interested to see what you come up with.

I had (and still am having) a tough time cause my favorite MCs and my favorite producers for the most part are so different. For example I would've never said "I wish Common rapped over DJ Quik's You'z A Gangsta" beat (though the thought of him on, say, What'z Your Fantasy is actually kind of enticing I think...) just because their styles are so wildly different. But I'll come up with some more...

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Nas' verse from Last Words and Mos Def's verse from Hurricane of Suspended In Time with the same hook as Suspended In Time.

I'd pay someone an undisclosed amount to mash that shit up properly.

That shit would be the greatest song of all-times and shit.

And shit.

It's All About The Benjamins/Pharoahe Monch
Grindin/Ras Kass
Whoa/ Kool G Rap
Why U Bullshittin?/Crooked I
Bad Boy/KRS
Throw Some D's/Ludacris
Hard In Da Paint/Corey Gunz
Started From The Bottom/Blu
Boy Looka Here/Black Thought
Like A Boss/Tech N9ne

bullshittin to Crooked I!!!! NOOO NO NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way possible Crooked I makes a line that's even half as good as Suga Free's 15th best line on there. No way the intro starts off as dope. No way the hook is as catchy. No way the crowd screams out the 2nd bar loud as hell. Noo, noo, noo!!!!!

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>bullshittin to Crooked I!!!! NOOO NO
>NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>No way possible Crooked I makes a line that's even half as
>good as Suga Free's 15th best line on there. No way the intro
>starts off as dope. No way the hook is as catchy. No way the
>crowd screams out the 2nd bar loud as hell. Noo, noo,
>noo!!!!!

I think the song wouldn't be as funny but I think it would have been a bigger hit outside of LA, SD and The Bay. I feel that way about a bunch of stuff Quik produced for Suga Free and 2nd II None.

Regional. And even with Quik's production as a whole...I feel some of it was almost too Regional for Snoop and them. We see that the tracks he did for Pac were always album cuts vs becoming huge hits. Maybe because they were even more laid back than what Kurupt and even Xzibit would use for singles that had a West Coast feel.

But yeah, I do think the tracks that went to 2nd II None and Hi-C could have been bigger, even if it had just been Quik keeping them to himself. However, it's NOBODY who would have made better songs over Y u bullshittin, Fly fo life, and I'd rather give you my bitch than Suga Free. I'd argue that a "Doe Doe & da skunk" coulda fit a Bay artist like Too Short just as well.

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>Regional. And even with Quik's production as a whole...I feel
>some of it was almost too Regional for Snoop and them. We see
>that the tracks he did for Pac were always album cuts vs
>becoming huge hits. Maybe because they were even more laid
>back than what Kurupt and even Xzibit would use for singles
>that had a West Coast feel.

I feel like if Quik had the right artist his sound definitely could have expanded to the East Coast. Especially with him in his prime locking up LA, the Bay and getting lots of love down south. I've always thought that Mausberg dying was the end of Quik's chance to have an artist bigger than himself. That's the thing about Quik though he can really do a lot more than just the laid back shit. Non Fiction BANGED (no pun intended). If he and Mauseberg could have grown together I think he was destined to get some East Coast love.
>
>But yeah, I do think the tracks that went to 2nd II None and
>Hi-C could have been bigger, even if it had just been Quik
>keeping them to himself. However, it's NOBODY who would have
>made better songs over Y u bullshittin, Fly fo life, and I'd
>rather give you my bitch than Suga Free. I'd argue that a "Doe
>Doe & da skunk" coulda fit a Bay artist like Too Short just as
>well.

Suga free is a poor man's Too Short which I guess is your point but I just feel like Short has more personality and is more of an artist than Suga free is. I do think that a few Bay dudes like Mistah Fab and E 40 would have killed that shit much better than Suga Free too.

>Grindin/Ras Kass

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Sheeit

if he had any of the beats on Livin' Proof, shit!!!!

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I'd give Five Fingers of Death to Raekwon

I'd give Drake's 'Lord Knows' to either Game or 2001-03 Jay-Z

I'd give Saigon's 'Stocking Cap' to Ghostface

I'd give Common's 'Real People' to Nas

I'd give 8-Ball's 'Pure Uncut' to Meth & Red

I'd also give 8-Ball and Gangsta Boo's (dont remember the song title, but the hook was like "I like to get my dick sucked, balls licked, ass ate out, all my niggas know what i'm talking about... and she said the female version) to Redman

I'd give Lil Kim's 'Spend A Lil Doe' to Andre 3000

I'd give 2 Pac's 'Ambitionz az a Ridah' to AZ

I'd give Rick Ross's 'Super High' to Lupe Fiasco

I'd give Pete Rock's 'Soul Brother #1' to Black Thought

I'd give LL Cool J's 'I Shot Ya' to Big Pun


Man, this shit is fun as fuck lol

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Good call on the Players to Blu


>
>I'd give Common's 'Real People' to Nas

Yes.

>I'd give Pete Rock's 'Soul Brother #1' to Black Thought
>

Yes. That beat is ridiculous!

I agree Nas would've made a good remix on that beat.

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Mef on those slowed, funked out beats and bass lines...

One of my favorite performances by Mef is on the Scalp Dem remix. Not his lyrical best, but man, he flowed like hell on that beat





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(ODB was dead by the time it dropped). Loved Clipse on that track, but everyone in the Wu would have ripped that shit.

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"Large On The Streets" to Jadakiss or Fat Joe or Fab
"Won't Do" to Mos Def
"Buttermilk" (Homeboy Sandman) to Freeway
"Situations" (Bravehearts) to 50 Cent/"Beg for Mercy" era G-Unit
I would take Snoop off "Seat Change" and add Jim Jones!!!
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Lately I've had the strangest feeling.... that you were GOOOONNNNEEEE

he would have murdered it!

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....Boom is a great song ...but that shit was made for Nasty Nas

with Nas on the chorus doing the part he did on the song
also I'd remove Dilla almost entirely from The Love Movement and add better beats from Tip and Ali during the time period

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Nas' verses on Pt 2 are ridiculous.

I will compromise and say a Rakim feature would've put it over the top!

he isn't able to take it where Rakim would have-hell, it's his concept originally anyway

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I'm assuming when you say "take it to where Rakim would have" you're speaking in regards to the NY concept similar to Rakim's song New York where he goes all in on explaining the city.

The thing that is Nas' best skill set is bein able to take minor and or personal details and speaking on a much larger in depth topic.

That's exactly what this track is. I guess I'll give you the second verse as going on whatever but that first verse is one of Nas' best and most underrated. The way the flow matches the "broken glass" type of piano sample takes the concept of New York to places other wouldn't on feeling alone. The lyrics are representative of Nas' experience which is relatable. The imagery in that verse, the vibe of that verse represents NYC much better than simply naming the sports teams.

Personally, one of my biggest issues with the writing in hip-hop is that MCs tell and don't show. Don't tell me you're the nicest MC, just show me you are. That applies here.

And that's not to say Rakim doesn't do that. And even in the example I used, that track is deeper than just naming sports teams as well but I don't think you can say any MC would take it somewhere that Nas couldn't because it's the opposite. Nas has that knack with his imagery that most don't. He's not in the face and blatant with his message all the time and to me that's why he's the best.

his skill set is weaving stories into his lyricism, and it makes him unique because he's a lyrical storyteller
he didn't invent it really but it's not common to be as lyrical as he is and combine it with narrative the way he does
he's a demonstrative emcee and he applies imagination and perspective to topics beautifully, but coming with more abstract thoughts and forming songs with them isn't his strong point
Ra's NY song was just a shoutout to his city; in my mind he would expand on the "everything's fine but I'm in a New York state of mind" line that spawned the idea in the first place and really show the different sides of New York, not just the ghetto part and while doing it give the whole thing another meaning underneath
Nas can't pull that off

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'ghetto heaven' would've been a dope d song too

I though Comm wanted that one and they made GH instead for him

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To Biggie....

There she goes, Senorita, and Rock your body to MJ

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Now lets take a moment to ponder the depth, brilliance, and emotional gravity of Mr Reds above statement.

if so, i'd give christina aguilera's back to basics disc one to ghostface.

if just a song, i think he'd murder "ain't no other man". and make it the radio single.

Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50