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"The 2014 class of nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (link)"


  

          

Nirvana, The Replacements, N.W.A., Chic, Peter Gabriel, Kiss, LL Cool J, The Zombies, Cat Stevens, Hall and Oates, Deep Purple, Link Wray, The Meters, Linda Ronstadt and Yes. Who you voting for? http://m.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2014-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20131016

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Damn, that's a tough ass class to choose from this year.
Oct 16th 2013
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My picks....
Oct 16th 2013
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Picking 3
Oct 16th 2013
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Good nominees this year...
Oct 16th 2013
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No hall n oates pour vous?
Oct 16th 2013
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      It's not terribly informed...
Oct 17th 2013
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           Pick up the first three Arista discs
Oct 17th 2013
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RE: The 2014 class of nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (link)
Oct 16th 2013
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woo lord!!!
Oct 16th 2013
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Wow..Tough Class. What's the number that gets in?
Oct 16th 2013
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how is Hall and Oates not already in??
Oct 16th 2013
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right??
Oct 16th 2013
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my picks and takes
Oct 16th 2013
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Huh?
Oct 17th 2013
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RE: Huh?
Oct 17th 2013
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You miss the point
Oct 17th 2013
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      no i didn't
Oct 18th 2013
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Personal opinion, but I stand by the fact that....
Oct 17th 2013
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RE: my picks and takes
Dec 17th 2013
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Chic, LL, Hall and Oates, Peter Gabriel, and NWA are my 5
Oct 16th 2013
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why is cat stevens not already in?
Oct 17th 2013
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Imho, Bias.
Oct 17th 2013
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No love for The Meters?
Oct 17th 2013
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the Meters were amazing...
Oct 17th 2013
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They're my fave band on that list
Oct 18th 2013
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Alright. My picks, if I was a voting member
Oct 17th 2013
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Someone saw The Replacements and Nirvana coming...
Oct 17th 2013
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If you can only go 5, I go:
Oct 18th 2013
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my votes:
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Either all of them or none of them. Stupid institution.
Oct 19th 2013
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And why is Pantera not in? And where is Iggy Pop?
Oct 19th 2013
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RE: And why is Pantera not in? And where is Iggy Pop?
Oct 19th 2013
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      Oh. Well, then, what kind of corporate co-option is that?
Oct 20th 2013
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           Do you think he deserves to get in as a solo-act?
Oct 20th 2013
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                No, not solo, but I'm basically opposed to the entire enterprise.
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                     I think it's interesting...
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                     The Stooges are miles better than the MC5 or The New York Dolls
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                          By what criteria?
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                               my ears
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                                    Really, there's not much to argue there...
Dec 19th 2013
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If only 1 got in for the next 10 years: LL or NWA?
Oct 20th 2013
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My Five:
Oct 20th 2013
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Cool that someone else recognize Link Wray...
Oct 20th 2013
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      i can't believe he's not in the hall yet?!? rock n roll without this dud...
Oct 22nd 2013
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My 5
Oct 20th 2013
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LOL!
Oct 20th 2013
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      I LOVE THAT BOOK...see, I would've invented them
Oct 20th 2013
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      also...I put on T.F.T.T.O. and just heard a De La Soul sample
Oct 21st 2013
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      all these were things I hated about yes
Oct 22nd 2013
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And your inductees are..... *swipe*
Dec 17th 2013
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Peter Gabriel gets in before NWA & LL? Really? n/m
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I mean he's been eligible longer & was bigger at his peak than either
Dec 17th 2013
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      So was Huey Lewis & the News (Sports!!!) and Peter Frampton...
Dec 19th 2013
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           critics hated those acts so the analogies weak, and I prefer NWA/LL
Dec 19th 2013
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                The analogy was in reference to your OG point...
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                     RE: The analogy was in reference to your OG point...
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BOOH!
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RE: BOOH!
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Awfully white...
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Will the lack of musicianship in current Black music prevent
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I say yes
Dec 17th 2013
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      RE: I say yes
Dec 17th 2013
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RE: The 2014 class of nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (link)
Dec 19th 2013
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Yeah, props!
Dec 19th 2013
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      RE: Yeah, props!
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CaptNish
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1. "Damn, that's a tough ass class to choose from this year."
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2. "My picks...."
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Chic
Nirvana
LL Cool J
Linda R.
Hall & Oats
Deep Purple

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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3. "Picking 3"
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Nirvana
Face it - if they don't get in there's no reason to even have a RRHF.

Hall and Oates
I can't believe they're not in already.

Linda Ronstadt
She has a good shot - not only because of her music, but her struggles with health issues. She'll likely never be in better shape to accept the award, so the sooner the better.

The fourth could be almost any of these.


> The Replacements, N.W.A., Chic, Peter Gabriel, Kiss,
>LL Cool J, The Zombies, Cat Stevens, Deep
>Purple, Link Wray, The Meters, and Yes. Who you
>voting for?
>http://m.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2014-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20131016
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4. "Good nominees this year..."
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Wed Oct-16-13 10:23 AM by Jakob Hellberg

          

I could care less for Linda Ronstadt, Peter Gabriel, Hall&Oats and Cat Stevens but everyone else is cool and deserve to get in once or later. I think it's weird and a bit clueless that Replacements got a nomination before Husker Du though since both bands were from the same era, area and played roughly the same type of music with a similar stylistic development and Husker were just much better not to mention had more "relevant" influence (I like Replacements too BTW but still...)

Kiss and Deep Purple and Link Wray and Meters and Chic would be my five personal picks but Nirvana is inevitable as one of the inductees...

  

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8. "No hall n oates pour vous?"
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Wondering if you're familiar with their catalogue....Is it an indifference or an informed dislike?

  

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18. "It's not terribly informed..."
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I know their hits and I don't think they are *bad* but it's not my thing really. Of the nominated this year, I'd put them ahead of Cat Stevens, Linda Ronstadt (maybe, I like some songs of hers) and Peter Gabriel (yuck!), the rest is better iMO.

If there is some album you can recommendthat may change my opinion, let me know...

  

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21. "Pick up the first three Arista discs"
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Or just grab Abandoned Luncheonette and learn how amazing their early shit was prior to the pop make over.

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5. "RE: The 2014 class of nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (link)"
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>Nirvana, The Replacements, N.W.A., Chic, Peter Gabriel, Kiss,
>LL Cool J, The Zombies, Cat Stevens, Hall and Oates, Deep
>Purple, Link Wray, The Meters, Linda Ronstadt and Yes. Who you
>voting for?
>http://m.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2014-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20131016
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>

Nirvana, The replacements, NWA, Chic, Kiss, LL Cool J, Hall and Oates

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6. "woo lord!!!"
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7. "Wow..Tough Class. What's the number that gets in?"
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I'm not sure.. Is it 4? 5?

I think the shoe ins are
Nirvana
Hall & Oats
NWA (Prolly shouldn't get in before LL chonollogicly speaking, but problably will).
Kiss

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9. "how is Hall and Oates not already in??"
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10. "right??"
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them cats got the illest catalog and then since Daryl's House, them cats should be music royalty



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11. "my picks and takes "
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Chic

Linda R

Hall and Oats

NWA

LL COOL J

Cat Stevens ain't never getting in anytime soon.

Peter gaberiel is on the fence and depends on the year and who else is up.


Nirvana will get in from a 90's Iconic perspective and they will go in like NWA more for a One Album domiance and Cultural shift more than the actual albums their after and impact after there respective first albums.


the Meters very good band, however if War ain't in then they ain't getting In IMO.


the Replacements not quite worthy IMO. in the Good Band status at best iMo

Deep Purple got a chance between now and the next 2 years

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14. "Huh?"
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>Nirvana will get in from a 90's Iconic perspective and they
>will go in like NWA more for a One Album domiance and Cultural
>shift more than the actual albums their after and impact
>after there respective first albums.

Without Nirvana in the loop the 90's Alternative nation and the '00's indie rock movement which dominated the rock landscape does NOT happen.

Dislike their music, but I think it's very easy to make a case they are top ten influential rock bands of all times. You can argue they made no impact songwriting/music composition wise(and I would disagree), but as far as creating a brand new lane for artists in mainstream rock and roll it's undeniable.

I can make the same argument on NWA: you hop back in and assassinate them and hip-hop itself changes drastically and it goes beyond introducing Dre as a megaproducer and Snoop as an MC. Rappers from 50 Cent to Kendrick Lamar have a much harder time making name for themselves.

  

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17. "RE: Huh?"
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pearl jam still around? case closed.

as for NWA you had the geto boys and Scarface had much impact.

i dug nirvana for the mtv unplugged far more. Kurt could write, however they were vastly overrated on a whole imo.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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20. "You miss the point"
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Thu Oct-17-13 04:20 PM by BigReg

  

          

>pearl jam still around? case closed.

Without Nirvana Pearl Jam sells 50k tops, there's a reason why Ten just sat on the shelves on release and only built steam riding the coattails of Nevermind (PJ became a much bigger band when the sophomore albums dropped tho, but without Nevermind they stay a college band).

>as for NWA you had the geto boys and Scarface had much
>impact.

If you're arguing which acts are better, longer lasting, etc. But the Hall of Fame was never really about seminal acts even tho they threw bones their way.


Id argue that the Scarface that we know and love ain't the Scarface that was in Geto boys at all btw, he evolved beyond the group much more drastically then

There's dudes making millions still copying/updating the basic NWA blueprint...WHICH IS WHAT THE GETO BOYS DID, lol.



  

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25. "no i didn't "
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Nirvana had a impact with the seattle sound, however Pearl Jam had more impact and i have heard more PJ clones than Nirvana. aside from Silverchair who else exactly sounded like Nirvana?

Pearl Jam left Nirvana in the dust. i beg to differ because Pearl Jam was on Sony music back then and money was on them regardless.

don't act like Pearl Jam was going to need another hand in the race like Alice in chains or Mudhoney.

my band Soundgarden did their own thing and they didn't need Nirvana to hit.

Cobain was already talking trash about Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam calling corporate and a Sell Outs, etc... he knew they were going to blow up though. why is that again?

Scarface evolved however he had that blueprint from the geto boys. you notice how Face and Cube sounded good together also Face and Pac.

some folks back in the day thought the Geto Boys were from NY.

they had some folks scared with how they were coming out of the gate and yet there was room for them and NWA. the all star lineup of Cube, Dre and Eazy made them more legendary and them being from the west coast at the time.


however Hip Hop had room for all back then.

Nirvana had impact, however Cobain and Nirvana knew Pearl Jam was going to blow up and as a matter of fact "ten" was a big album. acting like "Jeremy" was a household cut?
turkey please

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22. "Personal opinion, but I stand by the fact that...."
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...Nirvana's influence in music was not a positive one. As a matter of fact, I feel like they are the "sub prime loan" of music. Seemed great at the time, caused a bubble, and then crashed the market. but that's a post/thesis that I have to have some time to be able to properly give it the attention it deserves. lol

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55. "RE: my picks and takes "
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> Cat Stevens ain't never getting in anytime soon.


and he's in.

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12. "Chic, LL, Hall and Oates, Peter Gabriel, and NWA are my 5"
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13. "why is cat stevens not already in?"
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and why am i getting the sense that okp doesn't like cat stevens? His run of albums from Mona Bone through Buddha and the Chocolate Box is pretty impeccable... easily one of the most engaging songwriters of the '70s, I'd put his songwriting skill up there w/Elton, Billy, or even Paul Simon without hesitation.

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15. "Imho, Bias."
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16. "No love for The Meters?"
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They were my first pick..ha.

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19. "the Meters were amazing..."
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If it was up to *me*, they'd get in without a doubt; some of the illest grooves ever...

  

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28. "They're my fave band on that list"
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followed by Chic. But in hall-o-fame terms, I'd say Chic should get in first. Or at least Nile Rodgers himself. He's had more impact on music than anyone else on that list.

  

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23. "Alright. My picks, if I was a voting member"
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>Nirvana, The Replacements, N.W.A., Chic, Peter Gabriel, Kiss,
>LL Cool J, The Zombies, Cat Stevens, Hall and Oates, Deep
>Purple, Link Wray, The Meters, Linda Ronstadt and Yes.

Hall & Oates, Chic, NWA, The Replacements, and Yes

Now... my reasons why I've excluded some

Nirvana is a given. they will get in the hall of fame. But this list is so loaded with people who may never see another nomination that I would pass on themjust to be able to put in someone who might get swept under the rug.

LL is a tough one. To me, he *should* go in. He deserves it. Yet, for some reason, he was the first person I thought was easy to remove. He would probably be my metaphorical 6th man.

Deep Purple is a band with some tracks, but I'm kinda confused how they even got the nom.

Kiss. Jann Wenner will never let that happen. And I don't know that he's wrong.

Linda Rondstadt has one of the best voices I've ever heard, but again, I don't know that "HoF" jumps out over some of the other choices here.

I really wanted to put Gabriel in here, but much like Uncle LL, while I think he should be in, I'm cool with him not being in. Because honestly.... he already is with Genesis.

Cat Stevens should be in the HoF. Yet I know Gram Parsons isn't so I went on a "sometimes life ain't fair." lol

Link Wray should be in for the power chord alone. But that kinda seems cheap to me.

The Meters and The Zombies are both bands I would make my final pick if this year wasn't so stacked with more deserving artists.

Now, some clarification on two of those I picked.

Yes. I'd vote them in on the strength of Wakeman and Howe alone, but they had a banger of a career. And they were highly influential in the prog sense.

The Replacements. I would say a few people I left out deserve to be in more than they do. but I'm a huge fan, so I just left the fanboy fly here.

Again... I love this whole crew of people. There really isn't a single "They don't belong!" vote in there. Except for Kiss. Who I even like, but I don't know that they are a Hall of Fame band as much as they are a Hall of Fame Brand. Does that make sense?

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24. "Someone saw The Replacements and Nirvana coming..."
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26. "If you can only go 5, I go:"
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Nirvana, N.W.A., Peter Gabriel, KISS, Deep Purple

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27. "my votes:"
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>Nirvana,

N.W.A.

Kiss,

>LL Cool J,

Linda Ronstadt

fuck you.

  

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29. "Either all of them or none of them. Stupid institution."
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30. "And why is Pantera not in? And where is Iggy Pop?"
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31. "RE: And why is Pantera not in? And where is Iggy Pop?"
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Iggy is in as a member of the Stooges...They were inducted in 2010....

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35. "Oh. Well, then, what kind of corporate co-option is that?"
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It's just wrong.

  

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36. "Do you think he deserves to get in as a solo-act?"
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I love the Idiot and Kill City is even better even if I doubt many has heard it. I guess Lust for life is a big one and I personally dig "New values" as well.

Still, I find his career as a solo-artist somewhat underwhelming and his biggest contribution is arguably as a personality/icon; might as well induct Lemmy then (BTW; when will Motörhead get in? Shameful...). I don't know, Iggy not getting in as a solo-artist is not a big deal to me...

  

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40. "No, not solo, but I'm basically opposed to the entire enterprise."
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It's the artificial creation of a canon, an approved list of artists that we're supposed to hold in some higher esteem because they made the list when so many others didn't. But good music is art: you don't need an artificial canon when time and appreciation will inevitably make the final judgment of an artist's music's worth.

And I don't understand what's being measured by this institution. Like, okay, the Stooges are in, but why not MC5? Why not New York Dolls? Why not __________? Where and why is this line being drawn?

And there are a ton of artists who have that one excellent track in an otherwise brief and/or pedestrian career. I mean, to me, Dexy's Midnight Runners HAVE to get in, right? And doesn't "Vehicle" alone earn The Ides of March entry?

It's fucking artificial, and it reeks of old men in suits with too much power. The real Hall of Fame is when people listen to your music a century after you're dead.

  

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41. "I think it's interesting..."
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While I do think those guys are out of touch for a variety of reasons, I aslo think the canon you are talking about give a decent idea of the critical *and* general status of various acts and since those rock-critics more or less have created the canon, it's not irrelevant even if *I* don't care; I doubt I'll ever see Slayer or Gang Starr or whoever in there to name some personal favorites. Still, when you look at the best of-lists and shit and see how those impact the general taste of later generations regarding older music, stuff like this feels important even if the availability of all music nowadays hopefully make the canon less-and-less relevant. You can't tell me that the reason "Kind of blue" is the jazz-album "everyone" has is independent of status. Or that Velvet Underground-in spite of being unsuccessful-has become this massive cult-band;that is almost purely on the critics and band namedropping them and their place within the canon because I sure as fuck never heard VU on the radio or TV... It's not irrelvant IMO.

And "modern-day", internet-created canons are currently being created by sites like rateyourmusic where Radiohead's "OK computer" is ranked as the greatest album of all time which pisses me off but what can I do? I just hope peopleignore it but they don't if you read all the thousands of reviews on that site which have people saying "I picked it up because y'all say it's so great and you were right/wrong".
>
>And I don't understand what's being measured by this
>institution. Like, okay, the Stooges are in, but why not MC5?
>Why not New York Dolls? Why not __________? Where and why is
>this line being drawn?

My guess is that M5, for all their proto-punk tendencies still sounded a bit too rooted in a late 60's rock'n'roll aesthetic that actually make them appear not THAT different from Grand Funk Railroad or Brownsvill Station. I love MC% but I would never put them on the same level of importance as the Stooges; the latter just sound more "punk"/grunge/whatever to my ears and thus were more ahead of their time as opposed to MC5 who were more *of* their time; more "goodtime" boogie and Stones- and Who-influences...

As for NY Dolls, you only need to listen to the Sex Pistols album to hear their influence and only look at the band-pictures to see it on later glam-bands. My guess is that they were too transitional/late while simultaneously not "early" enough (Ramones came only shortly afterwards but the difference in music feels like years, I'd give even Dictators a nod over them due to less Stones/Boogie in the sound)...

Anyway, these are just my guesses; I don't know for surebut Stooges have gotten more props in the past 25-30 years in my experience; in the mid-late 70's, I suspect the Dolls would have "won" fairly easily and in the late 60's, MC5 were KANGS in that scene...
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44. "The Stooges are miles better than the MC5 or The New York Dolls"
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>It's the artificial creation of a canon, an approved list of
>artists that we're supposed to hold in some higher esteem
>because they made the list when so many others didn't. But
>good music is art: you don't need an artificial canon when
>time and appreciation will inevitably make the final judgment
>of an artist's music's worth.
>
>And I don't understand what's being measured by this
>institution. Like, okay, the Stooges are in, but why not MC5?
>Why not New York Dolls? Why not __________? Where and why is
>this line being drawn?
>
>And there are a ton of artists who have that one excellent
>track in an otherwise brief and/or pedestrian career. I mean,
>to me, Dexy's Midnight Runners HAVE to get in, right? And
>doesn't "Vehicle" alone earn The Ides of March entry?
>
>It's fucking artificial, and it reeks of old men in suits with
>too much power. The real Hall of Fame is when people listen to
>your music a century after you're dead.

  

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46. "By what criteria?"
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57. "my ears "
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60. "Really, there's not much to argue there..."
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...i LOVE Mc5 and they are a top, umm, 20-25 rock-band to me. Stooges is top 3 though; stand up anyone that in 2013 prefer MC5 to the Stooges! Yeah, didn't think so... MC5 had a bit too much of the standard Grand Funk-rawk in their bones even if they were doper than that...

  

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32. "If only 1 got in for the next 10 years: LL or NWA?"
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I say LL because he pretty much invented the girl song...but I have no problem with NWA getting in.

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33. "My Five:"
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Linda Ronstadt
Hall and Oates
Chic
The Replacements
Link Wray

Nirvana should not get in before The Pixies and The Replacements. The Pixies x The Replacements = Nirvana
Link Wray basically invented the power chord, rock music would never be the same after "'Rumble".

  

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34. "Cool that someone else recognize Link Wray..."
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It's not just that he was important, his music was dope as fuck as well; some of the hardest hitting rock'n'roll of its era which was otherwise dominated by schlock outside if the R&B charts... Unfortunately, that instrumental rock'n'roll sound isn't too cool nowadays; it seems like most people's appreciation starts and stops with the Dick Dale song in Pulp Fiction...

  

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43. "i can't believe he's not in the hall yet?!? rock n roll without this dud..."
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cmon.

what's the point being in there when Link Wray is not?



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37. "My 5"
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Chic - Nile Rodgers is the 2nd most important musician/producer of the 80's. The 1st being Prince. Nile put his stamp on so many things and had a variety of sounds going depending on who he works with. Look at them sales numbers for "Produced By Nile Rodgers".

Hall & Oates - Incredible Act, Great Songs, Great Talent, GREAT VOICE (Daryl Hall). The had an incredible run and still hold it down without being cornballs individually and solo.

The Meters - I FUCKING LOVE THE METERS. They definitely are in my bullpen for Funky Soul. Their sound became textbook for a lot of musicians and they go largely unnoticed.

The Replacements - I like "Let It Be" and politically...N.W.A. can kiss my ass until next year or the year after that. Frankly I didn't appreciate all that mother fucking hostility on record...even though "Straight Outta Compton" is funky as hell and "Efil4zaggin" & "100 Miles" are musically ridiculous...and Cube and D.O.C. was putting they FOOT in them damn rhymes creating what would become "the blueprint" to a goddamn POWERHOUSE sound/style of Pop Music & Pop Culture in Gangsta Rap...my people took to this bullschitt like Native Americans to small pox blankets & hooch. I still think Dr. Dre is a clown too. So yeah...Paul Westerberg,Tommy Stinson,Bob Stinson & Chris Mars you guys get my vote.

Yes - Dude...Jon Anderson's voice is so fucking "Wizard" I'd have to make it up if it didn't exist. If Yes didn't exist I'd make them up.

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38. "LOL!"
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>
>Yes - Dude...Jon Anderson's voice is so fucking "Wizard" I'd
>have to make it up if it didn't exist. If Yes didn't exist I'd
>make them up.

Don't forget that they made a concept double-album with four side-long suites inspired by (quote): "singer Jon Anderson's interpretation of four Shastric scriptures from a footnote in Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda".

  

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39. "I LOVE THAT BOOK...see, I would've invented them"
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and their cover art.

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42. "also...I put on T.F.T.T.O. and just heard a De La Soul sample"
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something from "Grind Date".

and I'm pretty sure I heard the drums from Kanye's "Black Skinhead" near the end of "Ritual", same phrasing even if they did "replay it"

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45. "all these were things I hated about yes"
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>
>>
>>Yes - Dude...Jon Anderson's voice is so fucking "Wizard" I'd
>>have to make it up if it didn't exist. If Yes didn't exist
>I'd
>>make them up.
>
>Don't forget that they made a concept double-album with four
>side-long suites inspired by (quote): "singer Jon Anderson's
>interpretation of four Shastric scriptures from a footnote in
>Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda".

  

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47. "And your inductees are..... *swipe*"
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Merp.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2013/12/17/kiss-nirvana-hall-oats-to-join-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/


The Style Blog
KISS, Nirvana, Hall & Oates to join Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

By Chris Richards
December 17 at 8:23 am

It’s another no for Yes.

Despite a bi-partisan push from sundry Washington wonks — as recently reported by David Rowell in The Washington Post Magazine – the British prog rock band is one of ten acts on this year’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot who got the snub.

It was announced late Monday night that Nirvana, KISS, Linda Ronstadt, Peter Gabriel, Cat Stevens and Hall & Oates will be inducted to the Hall, and will be feted at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center on April 10.

The other nine left out alongside Yes: the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Chic, Deep Purple, LL Cool J, the Meters, N.W.A., the Replacements, Link Wray, Yes and the Zombies.

Listen to Chic’s “Le Freak” and Wray’s “Fire and Brimstone” below and ask yourself if there’s any justice in this world.

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48. "Peter Gabriel gets in before NWA & LL? Really? n/m"
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54. "I mean he's been eligible longer & was bigger at his peak than either"
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61. "So was Huey Lewis & the News (Sports!!!) and Peter Frampton..."
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Doesn't matter much; if Gabriel got in partially because of the Genesis connection; well, they are already in, aren't they? Otherwise and solo, dude is time-period to the core; both LL *and* NWA would have been better picks...

  

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62. "critics hated those acts so the analogies weak, and I prefer NWA/LL"
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while not giving much of a fuck about Peter Gabriel one way or another but I'm not gonna feign outrage or even act surprised or upset about his inclusion happening before theirs.

In fact, I could very easily argue that it's deserved if I did care.

Peter Gabriel was a part of a band that was already in but he ended up becoming more notable for his solo work, he's been eligible for over a decade but not gotten in yet but was inevitably going to be in as will those two when they wait awhile.

NWA as an active group (not offshoots or accomplishments by members outside it) really don't have a huge claim to anything but the impact of one album much like the Sex Pistols, they'll get in though eventually and should.

LL will get in as well but I ain't crying for him.

I would have expected Gabriel to get in before LL.

  

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63. "The analogy was in reference to your OG point..."
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...which didn't mention critical love. Either way, Gabriel *was* something of a critic-favorite back in the day but how much of that remain today, even amongst older critics? Like they still consider "So" or that waterface-album amongst the highlights of the 80's? I don't see much Gabriel-love anymore, either from critics or fans (obviously, he still has an audience but so does anyone who was once big). Whatever, I'm not really crying about it either, I just think he was a bad pick...

  

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65. "RE: The analogy was in reference to your OG point..."
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>...which didn't mention critical love.
it's an assumed aspect of the decision-making process, otherwise they're likely not considered in any case outside a few (like maybe Kiss, who took decades to get in mostly because of how short they fell in that category).


Either way, Gabriel
>*was* something of a critic-favorite back in the day but how
>much of that remain today, even amongst older critics? Like
>they still consider "So" or that waterface-album amongst the
>highlights of the 80's?

you'd have to ask them but at a glance yeah, probably even if like R.E.M. they're not held in quite the regard they once were they're still in there, particularly since this isn't the pitchfork crowd voting but more the previous old-guard.

http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/best-albums-of-the-1980s/P6

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-best-albums-of-the-eighties-20110418/peter-gabriel-so-20110330

http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2012/02/the-80-best-albums-of-the-1980s.html?p=6

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/03/08/best-albums-of-1980/

>I don't see much Gabriel-love anymore,
>either from critics or fans (obviously, he still has an
>audience but so does anyone who was once big).

he just hasn't really been active & the channels that he got big from (like MTV) don't really play music anymore let alone music in that particular demo.

That doesn't mean he's sunk to solo Don Henley or Phil Collins depths of once-wildly-popular current disregard.

Whatever, I'm
>not really crying about it either, I just think he was a bad
>pick...

I think there's been far worse picks in both this year (most of this group aside from Nirvana & suppose I'd again say Kiss, even if I never liked their music they still feel more appropriate) in each of the past few years:

Randy Newman, Neil Diamond, Donovan, The Hollies, Abba, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Leonard Cohen, etc.

  

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50. "BOOH!"
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Hall&oats?
Linda Ronstadt??
Cat Stevens???
Peter fucking Gabriel????!!??

They literally inducted the four wackest acts of all the the nominees; quite a feat...

  

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52. "RE: BOOH!"
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>Hall&oats?
>Linda Ronstadt??
>Cat Stevens???
>Peter fucking Gabriel????!!??
>
>They literally inducted the four wackest acts of all the the
>nominees; quite a feat...


Chill with that Hall & Oats hate, dog....lol




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56. "Awfully white..."
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This white dude's first thoughts were:

-Really? No NWA?
-Oh wait, every single member of every single inductee is white.

Now, I'm not saying that this necessarily came into play in the minds of the voters, it's just something that stood out immediately. No Meters, Chic, NWA...

  

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49. "Will the lack of musicianship in current Black music prevent"
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us from getting a lot of inductees in the future and do we care? I don't see many rappers/rap groups getting in from this current era. Of course Dre, Snoop, Wu and some others will eventually get in.

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51. "I say yes"
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a coworker and I often discuss "what will be the nostalgic acts for this generation?"

Like who are these kids going to see at Essence Fest?

  

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53. "RE: I say yes"
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>a coworker and I often discuss "what will be the nostalgic
>acts for this generation?"
>

I would like to know this as well.

>Like who are these kids going to see at Essence Fest?
>

Rihanna maybe? I don't keep up with the current acts. Are any of them good? Are there any black bands or solo artists that incorporate real instruments in their music? I'm clueless

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58. "RE: The 2014 class of nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (link)"
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i used to love kiss so I can understand that one and my username being chosen because I liked ace's guitar solo.

  

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Jakob Hellberg
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59. "Yeah, props!"
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Strangeways is a banging-if somewhat atypical for the band in that it is more dark and heavy-tune with one of Ace's best solos...

  

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Strangeways
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64. "RE: Yeah, props!"
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here is the thread that I posted earlier this year for the second half of alive 2 lp.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2765842&mesg_id=2765842&listing_type=search

  

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