ever get at Eminem. Jay been throwing subliminals since day one, even at B.I.G. But never at Em. Why? Oh I know why. Em would have BODIED him. Not many ppl could survive a tussle with Em.

he's getting by on skin color right now. dude is making horrible music.

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Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

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i don't know. ask all of the white people who don't like rap but say "that eminem guy is something special."

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think it's a coincidence that no well respected MC has mentioned his name?

NOT ONE!

Jay has nothing to gain from battling Em, but I think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AQ4tjMFhKc

proved Em belongs in his class.


This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysLhA7yTuLo proved his ability further


Am I a fan of his music, hmmmm not so much, but I recognize he has
a fan base that appreciates it. But, pound for pound, I'd put Em against
ANY MC in a battle... freestyle or written. It has nothing to do with
him being white, the muhfucker can rap PERIOD. Him being white is
a cop out bro... you can do better than that

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yeah, on some battle ish yeah, cat is nice, but his LP's...yall can keep 'em....childish, primarily 13 year old angst weakness...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

>think it's a coincidence that no well respected MC has
>mentioned his name?
>
>NOT ONE!

Cube's definitely thrown his little digs at him with the whole "the best rapper in the world ain't a European" line. Em's dope but simply because Jay didn't take a shot at him doesn't mean he was ever afraid of him. If you think about it really Jigga hasn't really gone at it with anyone from outside of New York. I think the main reason is that because a lot of NY dudes look at NY (Brooklyn especially) as the mecca of lyricists and battles so it's much more of a competition within the city when it comes to lyrics than going at some dude from Detroit.
>
>Jay has nothing to gain from battling Em, but I think
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AQ4tjMFhKc
>
>proved Em belongs in his class.
>
>
>This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysLhA7yTuLo proved his
>ability further
>
>
>Am I a fan of his music, hmmmm not so much, but I recognize he
>has
>a fan base that appreciates it. But, pound for pound, I'd put
>Em against
>ANY MC in a battle... freestyle or written. It has nothing to
>do with
>him being white, the muhfucker can rap PERIOD. Him being white
>is
>a cop out bro... you can do better than that

He's dope but I wouldn't put him against ANYONE. KRS, Pharoahe Monch, Chino XL, Black Thought, Supernat, etc would all take it to Em in a battle in my opinion. I've seen EM battle dudes back in the days and he's definitely a top notch battle MC but I've also seen him lose to dudes like Juice so let's not act like this is the set of 8 Mile and nobody is seeing him.

great POV, but I don't think cats want to battle Em. And let's
be honest, Em has nothing to gain either. Of the names you listed,
I'm confident Em would hold his weight easily in the booth... who'd
win? That'll never be decided... cats are still arguing over Jay and
Nas.


My whole point was, discrediting Em's ability by suggesting he's
getting a pass because he's white is nonsense at this point... he's
proved overwhelmingly that he's an emcee. We could argue his discography,
but NOT his ability

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>great POV, but I don't think cats want to battle Em. And
>let's
>be honest, Em has nothing to gain either. Of the names you
>listed,
>I'm confident Em would hold his weight easily in the booth...
>who'd
>win? That'll never be decided... cats are still arguing over
>Jay and
>Nas.

Plenty of cats have battled Em and he's won his fair share and lost some too. We're talking battles hear not making diss records for record sales or to generate buzz. I was really just challenging the theory that cats whether it be Jay or any other top notch MC's are afraid of battling him. Plenty of people both credible and wack have gone at him on record and off which is why he is a highly skilled MC..because he's been tested, lost and got better for it. Like I said Jay's never really been a reckless go at everyone kind of dude. He's not 50. We're talking about someone who went toe to toe with the likes of LL, DMX, etc so let's not act like Jay is some bum ass pop dude afraid to battle someone. He's a real MC and I highly doubt he fears anyone.
>
>
>My whole point was, discrediting Em's ability by suggesting
>he's
>getting a pass because he's white is nonsense at this point...
>he's
>proved overwhelmingly that he's an emcee. We could argue his
>discography,
>but NOT his ability

That wasn't your original point though. It was on some Jay and everyone else is afraid of Em which is bogus. Not oh well Em is nice on the mic because no one can honestly dispute that but let's not get out of hand and act like Em has never lost a battle or that there aren't a bunch of great MC's who would love a crack at him in a battle.

hell of it


... let's not get out of hand and act like Em has never lost a
>battle or that there aren't a bunch of great MC's who would
>love a crack at him in a battle.
>

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I don't recall Em beefing with anybody in the last 10 years honestly

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First you were saying that no respected MC's have ever gone at Em and that Jay and everyone else is basically afraid of battling Em. I pointed out that Royce & Canibus 2 highly respected MC's both went at Em and your response was well they didn't have anything to lose. Now you are asking what "A List" rappers would want to battle and by A list I'm assuming you mean what huge selling pop star rappers would go at Em? Well shit how many "A List" rappers are there and how many of them are battle MC's? You expect Wayne or Kanye to do it? That's not their lane. And what A list rapper wants to go and battle for the hell of it? That doesn't happen. What would anyone have to gain from that? If someone who is a great MC but isn't a top selling artist goes at Em then people will dismiss them as a hater or jealous so they have very little to gain. You don't think Mos Def, Black Thought, Pharoahe Monch, Chino XL, Mistah Fab, etc wouldn't all love a chance to go head to head battling Em? That's what those dudes do. Plus we have to draw a distinction between diss records and battling because they aren't the same. Like I mentioned before if you look at all of Jay's on record shots at people they were all NY MC's and there was a personal history there. Jay's never been a dude to just attack someone because he's competitive or they are a top selling artist. Camron, Nas, Mobb Deep, 50, Jim Jones, Jaz-O...all NY MC's and people who he had some kind of personal history with or that took shots at him first. I could easily turn your statement around to Em and say that he's afraid to battle Jay or Nas because he's never issued a first shot at any great MC. He only responded to Canibus but he didn't initiate that. Why is that? He's certainly not shy about dissing N Sync, Moby, etc for absolutely no reason so why not take a shot at a top MC in the same manner as he did with pop stars?
>hell of it
>
>
>... let's not get out of hand and act like Em has never lost
>a
>>battle or that there aren't a bunch of great MC's who would
>>love a crack at him in a battle.
>>
>

were speaking as if many have called him out... or suggested they wanted to battle him. The reason why I said
A-list, is because he's A-list. Royce and Canibus have never been in
his class(to me they're more part of the underground culture), but certainly are respectable emcees... did they win the
battle? I vaguely remember Canibus' diss, but he only had half his ass left
after LL. Royce, I honestly don't listen to him... he's never dropped
a single song I remember liking.


Em is a respectable emcee, known to handle his weight in the booth with anybody, and
deserves that much respect. This post seemed to take a shot at
him being white--> as if he's Vanilla Ice 2.0 and isn't worthy.

My point is, if Em were platinum weak ass rapper mofos would call him out non stop, whether
on wax, in an interview, live show, etc... I have little knowledge of
many examples of this happening to him... 3 names have been mentioned
so far: Canibus, Royce, and Ja Rule... i'm not impressed by this line up.

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>were speaking as if many have called him out... or suggested
>they wanted to battle him.

I'm saying if there was some hypothetical battle and it wasn't on some who sold the most records or who is the most popular rapper type of shit but just true MC battle shit then a bunch of great MC's would love to battle MC's because that's what battle MC's do.

The reason why I said
>A-list, is because he's A-list. Royce and Canibus have never
>been in
>his class(to me they're more part of the underground culture),
>but certainly are respectable emcees... did they win the
>battle? I vaguely remember Canibus' diss, but he only had half
>his ass left
>after LL. Royce, I honestly don't listen to him... he's never
>dropped
>a single song I remember liking.

So you're not really talking about great MC's or who would win in a battle...you're talking about popular rappers who sell lots of records and have songs that non rap fans would know. Different discussion. Underground, overground none of that shit matters if you are talking about who would win in a battle. Em comes from that battle culture as does Jay and they just happened to also be pop stars and Canibus and royce certainly are in Em's class of battle MC. The fact that you say that Canibus only had half his ass left after LL when clearly everyone knows that Canibus destroyed L shows that you aren't really someone to discuss great battle MC's with to be honest.
>
>
>Em is a respectable emcee, known to handle his weight in the
>booth with anybody, and
>deserves that much respect. This post seemed to take a shot at
>
>him being white--> as if he's Vanilla Ice 2.0 and isn't
>worthy.

I don't think anyone would deny the fact that Em has skills as an MC and no one with any good sense would compare him to Vanilla Ice anymore than you would compare Jay Z to MC Hammer. Of course him being white and controversial has helped him to sell millions and millions of records but it's not the only reason.
>
>My point is, if Em were platinum weak ass rapper mofos would
>call him out non stop, whether
>on wax, in an interview, live show, etc... I have little
>knowledge of
>many examples of this happening to him... 3 names have been
>mentioned
>so far: Canibus, Royce, and Ja Rule... i'm not impressed by
>this line up.

I thought your point was that Jay Z never dissed Em because he was afraid of him? I could list Juice, Supernat, Chino Xl, etc who have all taking shots and in Juice's case beat Em in a battle but none of them have sold a million records so they probably don't impress you if you even know who they are.

2nd round knock out is one of the best battle records... but what "everyone knows" doesn't matter to me, because I listen and form
my own opinions that need not be validated by everyone who thinks Nas
won


I have know idea who Juice is or was in the game... you are correct.

But let's not dismiss
the fact that rappers, like athlete's will always weigh the pros and
cons of battle... 1. What will I gain if I win? 2. What will they gain?
I'm sure you could name 20 more battle emcees that could destroy Em or
Jay or Nas or Black Thought or _________. I grew up with cats that would
kill Lebron on the court, but tell me, what does Lebron have to gain?
Now if Kobe asked for a one on one... different story. None
of those cats you named are Kobe to Em's Lebron... especially whoever
the hell Juice is.

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Canibus couldn't make the transition from a battle MC to a quality recording artist so in essence LL "won" because he's a legend with a legendary catalog but he's not a better battle MC than Canibus.

>2nd round knock out is one of the best battle records... but
>what "everyone knows" doesn't matter to me, because I listen
>and form
>my own opinions that need not be validated by everyone who
>thinks Nas
>won

Nas won what?
>
>
>I have know idea who Juice is or was in the game... you are
>correct.
>
>But let's not dismiss
>the fact that rappers, like athlete's will always weigh the
>pros and
>cons of battle... 1. What will I gain if I win? 2. What will
>they gain?
>I'm sure you could name 20 more battle emcees that could
>destroy Em or
>Jay or Nas or Black Thought or _________. I grew up with cats
>that would
>kill Lebron on the court, but tell me, what does Lebron have
>to gain?
>Now if Kobe asked for a one on one... different story. None
>of those cats you named are Kobe to Em's Lebron... especially
>whoever
>the hell Juice is.

First of all I highly doubt you grew up with dudes who would "kill" Lebron on the court so just stop with that. The difference with your sports analogy is that if Kyrie Irving or some lesser player challenged Kobe, MJ or whoever then they would go out and roast them and not talk about how much more money they have or how much Space Jam did in the theaters. MJ destroyed OJ Mayo when he was in high school and MJ was retired because he was talking shit. Didn't matter that he didn't have the money, fame or acclaim that MJ did. He is a one on one master and if anyone..Jerry Stackhouse, Kobe, Harold Miner challenged him to a game of one on one then he would take it. I didn't name some local random MC's that are friends of mine...I named people that true fans of lyrics and battling know about. Royce, Black Thought, Chino XL, Pharoahe Monch, Canibus, Supernat. Your response was that Royce and Canibus aren't A List. Based on what?

Oh and for the record Juice is a dope MC out of Chicago that defeated Eminem in a head to head battle in the Rap Olympics back in the 90's. Pretty well known story at least amongst heads.
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got his ass whipped in the 3rd grade, but okay lol

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his first full length album came out 2 years later so it's not like we're talking about some shit from high school. The point was really more that he has been defeated in a battle so let's not act like he's untouchable and that to your point nobody wants it with Em.

>got his ass whipped in the 3rd grade, but okay lol
>

Renegade was in 2001 but there doesn't seem to be an expiration date on when we can discuss that song and Em outshinning him on that track.

same as now

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That was 97/98 and to be honest Em was better in terms of battling back then and so was Jay. Let's be real..no battle is going to happen today between two uber rich 40 somethings who really have nothing to prove or gain at this point from battling each other or anyone else.

I'd imagine Canibus is still rapping the same way about the same things

I don't even think Jay is better at this point, unless he has some
heat tucked away

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EVER?

when shit got thick with Ja, he made that pussy ass toy soldiers record.
he stuck to dissing pop stars who dont rap his whole commercial career

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eating his lunch weekly?

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more of a diss in itself. Did Jay send Beans to handle Nas?

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Em or anybody else at Aftermath

What possibly did Em need to say after 50 literally ended his career
overnight?

and once again, Ja Rule? you can't be serious with this... let it go

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAVjPCW7UIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSHOUM2ZPgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ksiFSvOaK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ozAoDZn-0

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Em and the rest of Shady records bodied Ja. Toy Soldiers came out when the beef started getting old.

Well they used to call me Maf

turkey ain't never spoke on nothing and he loves them white boys something awful.

he got all excited to work with Sinkin Park, Timberfake and Enema.

he is a soft jive turkey shucking and jiving.

Lay Z went at biggie because he wanted to be Biggie and he knows in the streets he couldn't carry Biggie's crispy Creem's box

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

besides imaginary firearms in madison square garden?

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to various charitys and things over the years. you need to be schooled on it.

Harry Belefonte stays with that can of whip Booty on Jay Z.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

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turkey.

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dyin


poinsettia

on takeover, he was supremely confident
and would even call folks out by name. (like he did on the brilliant song, "takeover."

nowadays, jay is working the "i'm above it all so i don't deal with battles"
angle.

he pulls it off convincingly, but i suspect he'd be working a different brand of charisma
if nas wouldn't have struck back so hard.


>ever get at Eminem. Jay been throwing subliminals since day
>one, even at B.I.G. But never at Em. Why? Oh I know why. Em
>would have BODIED him. Not many ppl could survive a tussle
>with Em.
>
>

well done

Ether really showed a chink in Jay's armor. He's never *really* battled since then. Except when he dissed Jim Jones in the Why Fly High (Ballin) remix, which was TRASH smh

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...not on purpose, per se....but Jay was on the beat when Em exploded with that verse....Jay was collateral damage

"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

I mean how much further was he going to push that

and Em still murked him on it...

i never understood the whole eminem murdered him perspective. you can't deny that jay came with it lyrically just like you can't deny that eminem was otherworldly flow wise.

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say Jay's lyrics and schemes on there were dope, on some friendly shit, but no way Em's lyrics weren't hittin.

Now who's the king of these rude,Annotate ludicrous, lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Using his music to steer it, sharing his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference: they're saying you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated, disputed, hated and viewed in America
As a motherfuckin' drug addict, like you didn't experiment, nah nah
That's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
And see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrassed
And I got nothing to do but make you look stupid as parents
You fucking do-gooders, too bad you couldn't do good at marriage
And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here
I don't think you do so stay tuned
And keep your ears glued to the stereo

That whole part...man. If it was only flow, he'd get Busta Rhymes on "Look at me now" props only. But he was actually saying something on it.

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creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

when he battled nas i think he came second


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Jay makes better albums

Jay makes better songs

Jay's more versatile

Em wins in the battle rap category

I can't really give Em sales cause he's white, he's gonna sale don't matter what he says.

>I can't really give Em sales cause he's white, he's gonna sale
>don't matter what he says.

Yeah, he made that bed.

Carry on.

Izzo: "Industry's Shady it need to be taken over"

- now for a guy who apparently obsesses over the details of his rhymes, I have a hard time believing Jay used "shady" there by happenstance. In 2001 his only peer was Eminem. And he knew it too, with Eminem serving as the lone guest on what would go down as his best record. The line "industry's shady..." is a declaration, here's Hov announcing not only that he's back to take what is rightfully his, the highest perch atop the rap game, but that he's taking it back from a specific someone.

- Eminem at least acknowledged Jay's jab with a wink and a nod on "Business" from the Eminem show album. Em lifted lyrics from Izzo, THE TRACK that Jay lofted his lawn dart from: "BET and MTV/ are gonna grieve when we leave dawg fo sheezy/ can't leave rap alone the game needs me." Here's Em acknowledging the Izzo barb but doing it with a grin.

at the time these two were on a different plane from everyone else both status wise and creatively. I've always maintained that they at least exchanged playful jabs here, and I concur that Eminem did crush Jay on Renegades.

I always took the "industry is shady" line be a homage to Tribe.

Jay does have a theme in that song of mentioning some old school artists.

And we know Jay is a Tribe fan...and we also know he likes to use doubles so it's possible he was going for both there.

And I do feel like Jay would purposefully pick Em to be on the album after that line because it seems like he would think that was clever.

What's more interesting is...if his is true...he dropped a line for Em...got him on the record...in he eyes of the majority, got "murdered on his own shit" and then the response to his diss record clearly makes note of that.

Then Nas goes on to feature on American Gangster and plays Jay's game by dropping the "enemies want to be my friends..." line.

I do believe that these dudes do intentionally drop lines like that and it's all part of the game and good for the comp

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irv broke it down to explain that there were several subs floating around btwn murder inc and roca fella. don't see why shady would be exempt

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he had a joint here and there but not enough to even make a dozen. His albums were really weak as bad as Canibus' were.

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