http://m.soundcloud.com/mslaurynhill/ms-lauryn-hill-consumerism-1

L boogie spittin pure gibberish. Not liking this at all.

garbage

She is Angelo C. Moore levels of ANGRY at the recording industry.

This is some straight up Dr. Maddvibe schitt, yo.

Lauryn...make that call

Angelo...earth to Angelo

s.blak
SWIM

keep: looking,searching,seeking,finding

A Perry Farrell chorus... maybe scratch one of her old lines for a hook.

I never want to hear this schitt again though.

s.blak
Miseducated

keep: looking,searching,seeking,finding

between this and that last track - I kind of see the potential in what she's doing, but think that what she needs to pull it off (a bad ass producer who is willing to edit, chop, and just plain say "no") will never materialize... because who is going to tell Lauryn Hill "no"?

In a weird way, I'd like her to get with someone like Meshell, someone who has mellowed over the years but who probably "gets" Lauryn's anger and worldview ...

But at least she's making music again, and it's interesting and provocative enough that I'll keep checking for it...

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

PLENTY of people tell her no and she removes them from her shit to be replaced by people who will say yes

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Question should have been: who will tell her no that she will actually listen to?

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and to a degree I get it, but bitch you don't know everything

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lol

fuck you.

;

fuck you.

this is some BULLSHIT.

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Got my stomach hurting laughing at this.

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But she has lost her god damn mind if she thinks she sounds smart or poignant. . . or on beat.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"1.5.2.0" http://bit.ly/18UMv7A
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"for vini." http://bit.ly/19HQbtF
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

"I couldn't imagine it not being relevant. Messages like these I imagine find their audience, or their audience finds them, like water seeking it's level."

- Ms. Lauryn Hill

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

She sounds like that old In Living Color sketch.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"1.5.2.0" http://bit.ly/18UMv7A
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"for vini." http://bit.ly/19HQbtF
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

...accepting that she is sincere takes work. talent exudes regardless.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"1.5.2.0" http://bit.ly/18UMv7A
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"for vini." http://bit.ly/19HQbtF
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

want that put into a nice little song for the consumerist masses... probably weren't paying attention to what she was rapping about.

shit is poigant targeted emotion which is a direct reflection of the path which she has chosen for over a decade now. if you haven't gotten the message by this point.... who cares, it's not for you.

but to call it wasted talent when she's doing, in a way which nobody else is doing please. this isn't just some hop on a hot beat and spit a verse to get them feeling you again. knowing her process it took a lot to get the piece of music we have here. a lot of talent. you remove the rapping and the production is great. separate the rapping from the production and she's killing it. she ripped an ism run for two long verses plus chorus' while maintaining a broad and yet simple concept to paint a picture from her perspective of the world. motherfuckers don't rap like that no more.

it's the combination of music with the rapping and the who is doing the rapping that makes this hard to digest for folk. but fuck the dumb this is exactly the type of shit we need more artists doing. perhaps out of that would come something more tolerable for general ears. but for mine... gimme more!!!
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"1.5.2.0" http://bit.ly/18UMv7A
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"for vini." http://bit.ly/19HQbtF
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

or stop listening all together.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

But the runs you speak of me making me think she's channeling her anger at a lot of philosophies and the "zeitgeist" feeling that is confusing the world she sees around her. Maybe i'm completely off, but even though she's not getting to a single "point" the mood and vibe and energy of it, combined with her beating the concept of that on the head is really cool to me.

I think she's got a good "album" in her, but like others have said, she needs to get with a producer who will tell her no, and help her focus on writing songs with that amount of passionate energy to say something. Because thats what we all love about Lauryn at the end of the day, is that she speaks from an honest though provoking place thats relatable in anthemic ways with melodies that kill.

Either way, I like her recent output and definitely think shes a darkhorse sleeper for a crazy comeback if she ever gets things in order.

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She's on the beat, in the beat, ahead of it, behind it, off it, on it....I mean she's pulling you in to follow her flow in the same way some who is ultra nice with a trumpet would.

This shit go.

>want that put into a nice little song for the consumerist
>masses... probably weren't paying attention to what she was
>rapping about.
>
>shit is poigant targeted emotion which is a direct reflection
>of the path which she has chosen for over a decade now. if
>you haven't gotten the message by this point.... who cares,
>it's not for you.
>
>but to call it wasted talent when she's doing, in a way which
>nobody else is doing please. this isn't just some hop on a
>hot beat and spit a verse to get them feeling you again.
>knowing her process it took a lot to get the piece of music we
>have here. a lot of talent. you remove the rapping and the
>production is great. separate the rapping from the production
>and she's killing it. she ripped an ism run for two long
>verses plus chorus' while maintaining a broad and yet simple
>concept to paint a picture from her perspective of the world.
>motherfuckers don't rap like that no more.
>
>it's the combination of music with the rapping and the who is
>doing the rapping that makes this hard to digest for folk.
>but fuck the dumb this is exactly the type of shit we need
>more artists doing. perhaps out of that would come something
>more tolerable for general ears. but for mine... gimme
>more!!!
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>Big PEMFin H & z's
>"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1
>thing, a musician." � Miles
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."


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I used to carry the Miseducation album sleeve around in my backpack that's how big of a fan I was.

This shit sounds like a spoken word artist that decided they want to rap and 99.9% of the time this is how they sound just putting words together all fast. While the words are dope it gets lost in translation. I need her to ditch "trying" to innovate and go left and just start in the middle of being Lauryn Hill a la the time between Miseducation and that unplugged album and build from there.

I made it to 2 minutes but had it not been Lauryn Hill I would've shut it off after 30 seconds. She's angry, we get it, but come on now.

I want to talk to Jesus, my mama, and Marvin Gaye when I get to heaven.

As for the discussion above, I applaud her for trying to say something. But the fact remains, if the message isn't delivered in a quality format (in other words, in the form of a listenable, good song), it does little to no good, evidenced by the fact that none of us in here could get past the minute mark for the most part.

Unlistenable.

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Think about that.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

And what is her goal exactly?

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she is a spokesperson. a minister. an educator.

she is not here to entertain us. so if we're not entertained by this - that's the point. the point is to preach at us about __. and not in a palatable, pleasant format. it's just str8, uncut preaching.

i dunno why she bother rapping her diatribes/sermons/speeches/essays. she should just get a pulpit and a mic and go at it.

fuck you.

the reason why she hops on the mic is because she's so gifted at it. she lacks the hunger of her early years but her technique is flourishing.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

now? not so much.

she can rap real fast but if i can't tell wtf she's talking about then i don't agree she's rapping well.

fuck you.

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and it's hard to "educate" people, as you say, when nobody is interested because the product is unlistenable...

Again, I don't see her purpose.

Irony? Where's that get her?

If she wants to preach, then preach! I'm all about her message and mostly agree with it. But if only you and two other people can bear listening to the platform she presented it on, where does it get her? IF she wants to spread a message, she's gotta do better.

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i think she should stop rapping and stop moving in entertainment circles altogether. b/c she's not entertaining.

i've been through w/her since she made me wait for THREE FUCKING HOURS to see her perform back in 2004. and when she finally graced us w/her presence she ran through lighting-speed versions of a couple of her songs, then gave a damned 45 minute sermon about art and entertainment her not being an artist or entertainer or whatever the fuck crazy shit she was on. i stayed through it b/c the venue was THICK w/tension by then and i wanted to see if the maybe 1/3 of the audience who were still in the bldg by then (it'd been sold out) were going to throw things at the stage or light chairs on fire or what. but after the sermon she went back to unrecognizable renditions of her solo work from Miseducation and a few Fugees favorites and that was it. the whole time she bitched about the sound and wanted the band to play faster. basically the same show she's been giving for almost 10 yrs now.

i'm through.

fuck you.

of her views/message, cause I really don't. I guess what I meant is that I can always appreciate a Liberal mind and an agent for change, though I think she is mostly too extreme for my tastes. Top that off with an unlistenable song and I'm cool, too.

I can't speak to her tour issues but that's pretty poor as well.

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and i like her generalized 'WAKE UP!' message.

still - that shit cray.

fuck you.

i think she's crazier than a mug... but this world is big enough for the crazies too.

Also, I believe that's the longest post you've ever written. Haha.

(exaggerating, but only a little)


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"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"1.5.2.0" http://bit.ly/18UMv7A
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"for vini." http://bit.ly/19HQbtF
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

She should let El-P produce some stuff for her.


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I want more "Everything is Everything" and "Ex-Factor"s instead of preaching over a beat....she could find a balance and still get her point across...the roots been doing it for the last 4 albums. It's just too much....WAY too much.

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It's gotta be exhausting to be that miserable and unhappy all the time.

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>It's gotta be exhausting to be that miserable and unhappy all
>the time.

Music isn't supposed to be this uplifting reaffirming thing all the time. It's supposed to have its heavy and sometimes unbearable moments. That's a reflection of life. That may not be what some want right now but it is from an honest place. Wish her brighter moments in life and maybe will reflect that as well. But right now this totally makes sense for where she's at.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I always prefer music to be honest and open. So I get that completely.

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broad needs some balance.

It's also hard to listen to someone who has received so much complain so much. She really isn't speaking for the underclass.



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It is easy to dismiss it as "garbage" because it doesn't sound like the Lauryn we once were accustomed to listening to. I'll even go as far to say that this song didn't do it for me personally, but I can't deny that Ms. Hill is still doing her thing on her terms and for that I can respect it. If she really cared what people thought of what she's releasing now, I'm sure it would sound much different and more accessible to the masses. But as a song called "Consumerism", I can assume that this was not her intention, and the people who can't dig it, it wasn't intended for them anyway. I'd listen to this before a lot of the trash that gets a pass because it's dance/club/party friendly. (Only I wouldn't expect to hear something like this at a club or party, since it's obviously not that kind of song.)

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fuck you.

This is a grocery list

went to a show last year with her and nas and left early because of her blabbering. I found it odd that she didn't come out for If I Ruled the World, probably cause she is an asshole.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

I remember around the Miseducation era, some proto-hipster anti-"intellectual rap" critics would reduce Lauryn's rhymes to her just rapping really fast and piling up lots of "-tion" nouns... L-Boogie's rapping was a lot more than just that, though.

WAS.

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i wouldn't listen to miseducation...and then this. but this after some billy woods/elucid/Ka....

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i like people sticking up for the fact that her lyrics are nonsense and the beat is just amateurish cacophony. THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT IT SUCKS, YOU INTELLECTUAL PEONS! SURELY ANYONE WHO WOULD CRITICIZE THIS WOULD MUCH PREFER TO LISTEN TO BUBBLEGUM POP!

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Would be jerking off to it smh

Did you really expect her to come back with
That Thing part 2??

Did you really want it??

She was way off that by the time Unplugged
dropped.

The hate that this track is getting is a combination
of racism, sexism, and guck boys trapped
in 99.

Shit, Ms Hill is SPITTING again! And both
tracks have been dope to me but I
never viewed her as a pop star.

Honest to god if this were Aseop Rock/ El p/
or someone similar it would be hailed as
creative.

What do you guys really want from her?

Miseducation part 2??

Collabo album with Elvis fucking Costello?

Would crown him king.

I'd have to order knee pads for y'all.

Fuck all that Sage Francis segregated hiphop shit. No joke on this one.

Lauryn is a rapper i USED to think was Top 5, male or female.

if y'all wanna condone this lyrical miracle spiritual rap babble with syncopated noise behind it, that's on y'all.

this shit sounds like shit.

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you're making it sound like there was nothing substantive on miseducation or among its singles (FAR from the case) and that a drop down to something utterly worthless is the only alternative.

her lyrics are not exactly gil scott heron, mostly just a bunch of angry doom and gloom stuff lazily strung together over a beat that sounds like it came off a fisher price keyboard.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

did you even hear ONE track off of Aesop or El-P's latest albums? It doesn't sound anything like this garbage

I'm saying this as someone who thinks Lauryn Hill is (or used to be) one of the best to ever do this rap shit

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>The hate that this track is getting is a combination
>of racism, sexism, and guck boys trapped
>in 99.

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always a good thing.........

I think Lupe Fiasco or Kanye are better comparisons when i comes to the "if a male rapper did this" argument. I could honestly see Lupe doing this and not being called crazy. Hill is addressing issues we haven't heard a female MC address in sometime. This is far from her best material. Whatever message she wants to express is lost in the amount of words stuffed into the song much like Lupe's mix tapes or random rant tracks. However whenever Lupe does these type of tracks on a single topic its praised like a major accomplishment. Indie male rap artists get the same praise.

I just think it's funny when you look at this work compared to a work like Yeesus, which IMO is gibberish. Im talking about the random rhymes that Kanye and his producer admitted where put together in a couple of weeks and it pretty much sounds like that content-wise. The production is great on most of that album. Of course he is "rapping" much slower than Hill but what the fuck is his message (Racism exists, I fuck hoes, commercialism is making us slaves, look at my fashion/and cars BS, i'm the greatest hated). Hill isn't getting side tracked on these tracks. New Slaves was lucky the production saved its lack of authenticity.

Much of the flack Hill is getting is due to her piss pour attitude about paying taxes, being forced to release this material, and being a brainwashed angry black woman. When the material sounds like nothing she has released before, the easy explanation is that she has lost her mind or rushed into the studio made up these track in a few minutes in spite of the label.

Perception matters a lot in hip hop. Had she released this material without being "forced" or then stating that the first track wasn't ready to release more people would take the time to hear the music. Perhaps it's too late, the crazy woman narrative and her past antics have overtaken our trust in her as an artist. People feel like they don't have time for this from her, not now.

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I consider myself a far bigger fan of her pre-2000 than I ever was or likely ever will be of Lupe.

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this frenetic, micro-machine-ad-man/angry-auctioneer stiff-ass pseudo-substance non-swinging 'Subterranean Homesick Blues' approach is trash.

Presented as 'uncompromising' to mask the fact that it's unlistenable.

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should we be surprised? this is the same person who went on tour with a fake troubadour act armed with two clumsy guitar licks and a voice that sounded like janis joplin two years after she died.

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>'Subterranean Homesick
>Blues' approach is trash.
>

At least when Bob did it, it was new. And he had an electric guitar to make him sound good.

And he was on beat.

Lauryn has been outrhythmed by Bob Dylan. Think about that.

Unless I'm too dumb now and being off beat was the point and it's a provocative and genius move to not conform to the standards of the evil corporate minds conspiring to. . . no.

No, she's just horribly off beat and it sounds like a train wreck.


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"1.5.2.0" http://bit.ly/18UMv7A
"for vini." http://bit.ly/19HQbtF
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

When she was spitting like this on Unplugged it was a bit more palatable because the only thing that was competing with her vocals was her struggle strumming of the guitar. And her doing double duty of playing and rhyming probably forced her to have to pace her delivery, which was easier on the ears. On here, she sounds at odds with the music. Which may be intentional. But it's doing her no favors if she truly wants people to decipher and digest the message she's promoting.

I do agree that there were some dope rhythmic runs on here. So I personally don't think the "song" is completely rubbish. But I pray she doesn't try to release an album were every track is of this ilk. It'd be like if Heavy Mental was composed of songs that all sounded like the title track.

the music isn't good but the biggest issue is Lauryn.

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