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Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

I remember feeling like a lot of people hated it though. I don't rightly remember.

All I remember is the lukewarm reaction when it finally got an official issue.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"jacques." http://bit.ly/17V33fa
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"wind." http://bit.ly/180r30E
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

>I remember feeling like a lot of people hated it though. I
>don't rightly remember.
>
>All I remember is the lukewarm reaction when it finally got an
>official issue.
>
I love Qtip and never heard this album...got it and was pleasantly surprised....it's like D'Angelo's Voodoo's hip hop cousin. It's good.

>it's like D'Angelo's Voodoo's hip hop
>cousin. It's good.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"jacques." http://bit.ly/17V33fa
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"wind." http://bit.ly/180r30E
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

>>it's like D'Angelo's Voodoo's hip hop
>>cousin. It's good.
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Listen to both...and try not to focus on if you like either, both or neither...

They have the same kinda "jam...experimental" feel.

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which is fine to a point, but front to back KTA is a more complete and thorough album

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Because, remember, promos and mp3s leaked for the whole thing in 2002, a full year before the Love Below was released.

But, then again, Andre does seem like an isolationist, so maybe I'm way off.

But that would be a funny connection.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"jacques." http://bit.ly/17V33fa
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"wind." http://bit.ly/180r30E
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

and when around 05/06 Tip was speaking of releasing new solo material and how cats ran with what he did with KTA, i figured he meant 3Staks

Tribe was his favorite group, and aint no way in my mind he's not peeping what Tip is doing around that period

``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"jacques." http://bit.ly/17V33fa
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"wind." http://bit.ly/180r30E
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

I was still lurking then but I remember people losing their shit at the idea of 3 jocking anybody that wasn't Prince or some shit (despite the fact that Tip is #1 on his all-time list)

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Q-Tip Feat. Andre 3000 "That's Sexy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCghUUC1ltQ

Andre knew what was going on with Tip....I doubt he cared tho. Not to mention Tip is super-slow with releasing music who knows.

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KTA and TLB, right

and lol @ Tip's slow to release music statement, when 3Staks literally only had TLB and his songs on Idlewild (and those features) from 01-08

basically the same amount of Tip's shelved Kamaal and Open albums

I remember when a friend of a friend gave me a copy of "Kamaal The Abstract" long time ago when it was still shared as a bootleg/download, I already owned the 12inch EP that had "Barely In Love" & "Feelin" from 2002 but to finally hear the entire album and it being on some other ish was amazing and I was listening to it non-stop for at least six months it was the main cd (but not the only cd) I listened to daily.

I was never a fan of outkast, so when they put out that double album the second disc "Speakerboxx/Love Below" wasn't bad but you could tell Dre listened to Q-Tip's second album as much as I did but "Love Below" is no where as good as "Kamaal The Abstract" album was or is.

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be worth the discussion


I swear some of y'all listen with emotions and not ears

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Feelin'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvZRZQk74R0

Do You Dig U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tQCvhmeCOA

Barely In Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nx2rAIVNZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUQHFqO6HvY

over any of those all day

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i just prefer KTA

and the projects are so vastly different musically

this is funk... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kOW5__7yQ


I don't recall anything remotely close to funk on KTA

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if you want to hear 3 beat his dick all over an album, that's fine and it's your right do to so
but KTA is a MUCH better album experience than TLB, that album isn't cohesive at all and the only argument you could make for it in that regard is "I like all the songs on there"
and you have the nerve to talk about somebody being emotional about some shit

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argument


who gives a shit if an album is cohesive?! does that make it good? TLB
is a better album BECAUSE it has better songs. It's really that simple!
Now we're simply arguing likes and dislikes and that's cool, but outside
of the delusions of OKP, KTA is a relatively monotone album with little
replay value... I'd bet if I did an KTA ambush on one of y'all, you
couldn't name more than 5 songs on the album, much less reciting the
lyrics to one of the songs.

again, I ain't arguing what you like... but in the world of musical
discussions, KTA rarely is mentioned as a great album

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>argument
>
>
>who gives a shit if an album is cohesive?! does that make it
>good?

actually yes-cohesiveness is a huge part of having a collection of songs play well together, and integral to the album experience
also the fact that I have to even tell you that devalues your opinion of music in an extended play format


>TLB
>is a better album BECAUSE it has better songs. It's really
>that simple!

debatable at best, certainly not law


>Now we're simply arguing likes and dislikes and that's cool,
>but outside
>of the delusions of OKP, KTA is a relatively monotone album
>with little
>replay value... I'd bet if I did an KTA ambush on one of
>y'all, you
>couldn't name more than 5 songs on the album, much less
>reciting the
>lyrics to one of the songs.
>

challenge accepted


>again, I ain't arguing what you like... but in the world of
>musical
>discussions, KTA rarely is mentioned as a great album

you're comparing an album that came out in limited pressings years after it's creation to a blockbuster album geared and primed to be a smash, in a matter of general public music discussion, and expect me to take anything you have to say seriously...go nigger up your own thread and let everyone else talk about what we're talking about
you're damn near crying and losing your voice in here over an album, go cry in the car B

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see, I said from the beginning KTA tugs at emotions and not ears
and you're proving it



this post ain't really about music, it seems like it's whose
better Q-Tip or Andre

Was SB/TLB pushed and hyped more? yes... I agree with that. But
did it live up to the hype? YES!!


TLB has to be the most compared, but undervalued album I've known. I'm
surprised it hasn't been compared to Thriller to be honest

But again, like what you like. And like I said in a previous post,
I could put TLB up against most albums in the last 10 years... KTA doesn't
compare imo

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>see, I said from the beginning KTA tugs at emotions and not
>ears
>and you're proving it
>

all I said was TLB isn't as good an album as KTA, and I happen to like both albums so there goes your theory
you're the one doing laps around 3's dickshaft and calling alleged innovation as the reason


>
>
>this post ain't really about music, it seems like it's whose
>better Q-Tip or Andre
>

you're the only person that's said anything remotely close to that


>Was SB/TLB pushed and hyped more? yes... I agree with that.
>But
>did it live up to the hype? YES!!
>

living up to hype nowadays is pretty easy to do, at that point anything Kast would've done would've been seen as a victory as long as it did numbers


>
>TLB has to be the most compared, but undervalued album I've
>known. I'm
>surprised it hasn't been compared to Thriller to be honest
>

it actually has here, and that thread was hilarious if I recall right
but I'd say it's overvalued at times because of a) who did it and b) record sales and popularity that some people use to validate opinions


>But again, like what you like. And like I said in a previous
>post,
>I could put TLB up against most albums in the last 10 years...
>KTA doesn't
>compare imo
>

key words being "in your opinion"
in the future try to not pass off your opinions as facts, champ
and if you did put it up against most albums in the past ten years, you'd lose quite a few of those
but the majority of albums in that timespan are horrible, so that doesn't really help your argument

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>
>key words being "in your opinion"
>in the future try to not pass off your opinions as facts,
>champ
>and if you did put it up against most albums in the past ten
>years, you'd lose quite a few of those
>but the majority of albums in that timespan are horrible, so
>that doesn't really help your argument


are you suggesting that this entire post isn't drenched full of opinions? including yours? I was pretty clear about this being my opinion, but TLB being a better album(cohesive or not!!)than KTA... now thats a fact HA!!

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>>key words being "in your opinion"
>>in the future try to not pass off your opinions as facts,
>>champ
>>and if you did put it up against most albums in the past ten
>>years, you'd lose quite a few of those
>>but the majority of albums in that timespan are horrible, so
>>that doesn't really help your argument
>
>
>are you suggesting that this entire post isn't drenched full
>of opinions? including yours? I was pretty clear about this
>being my opinion, but TLB being a better album(cohesive or
>not!!)than KTA... now thats a fact HA!!
>


unless you wanna...you know (c) Mike Tyson
LOL it's all jokes, bro

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>and the projects are so vastly different musically


KTA had more of a straight-ahead, singular sound... very heavy on
r&b-ish groove, whereas LB was all over the place, stylistically.
The instrumentation on KTA was great tho... to me, the musical
experience of LB was both more unique and exciting.

What I wanna hear more just depends on my mood... I don't find either
album particularly innovative, but LB did show more musical range.

he stretched out musically more on LB but that's because Tip recorded his album with a band, so that's expected
it's not better or worse, that's just the state of things
there's actually more range on KTA from a rhythmic standpoint, 3's songs tended to be more mechanical sounding and had a more expansive mixing style

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>there's actually more range on KTA from a rhythmic standpoint,
>3's songs tended to be more mechanical sounding and had a more
>expansive mixing style

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what I mean is they have more of a programmed feel as opposed to a live feel
it's not bad and it's not a negative, but rhythmically that's the general feel of the album
the mixing on that album was bigger and meant to take up more space in your ears, whereas when Tip did KTA it sounds the way it was recorded-in one tight room where everything was bouncing off one another
both contribute to the respective aesthetics of each album wonderfully

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simply sounds good to me

If I were a musician, I'd prolly appreciate this approach a bit more.

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>listen with emotions and not ears

If you have to ask why then you won't like the answer.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"doctor who nursery rhyme." http://bit.ly/18oC1gH
"jacques." http://bit.ly/17V33fa
"with henry james." http://bit.ly/1cIpnM6
"for vini." http://bit.ly/19HQbtF
"one year later." http://bit.ly/1eQNPwI

Kamaal all day. The Love Below had some great tracks but is unlistenable front to back.

much more enjoyable front to back. i'm not saying its on the same level, but its similar to albums like 'pet sounds' - which upon first listen doesn't really stand out, but grow on you in time and fit together in one perfect subtle groove all the way through.

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Q tip if he had balance and could ever put something together then he could be that dude that is the link between Nas and 3 stacks as to being a cat who has a important stake in Hip hop with ATCQ.

instead TIP is on the outside looking in and he never made that statement record.

Q Tip is like that Athlete or that Musician where he got a story of how influential he was to someone who became bigger and yet when dude had a chance to make a statement he never ever quite got it right.

Q tip is sorta like the shuggie Ottis of Rap when you think about it IMO, though not as talented as Ottis, however the same kind of lore of a cat who had a impact, however some other cats went far and away than dude's reach

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

>Q tip if he had balance and could ever put something
>together then he could be that dude that is the link between
>Nas and 3 stacks as to being a cat who has a important stake
>in Hip hop with ATCQ.
>
>instead TIP is on the outside looking in and he never made
>that statement record.
>
>Q Tip is like that Athlete or that Musician where he got a
>story of how influential he was to someone who became bigger
>and yet when dude had a chance to make a statement he never
>ever quite got it right.
>
>Q tip is sorta like the shuggie Ottis of Rap when you think
>about it IMO, though not as talented as Ottis, however the
>same kind of lore of a cat who had a impact, however some
>other cats went far and away than dude's reach


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@rob_starrk

>Q tip if he had balance and could ever put something
>together then he could be that dude that is the link between
>Nas and 3 stacks as to being a cat who has a important stake
>in Hip hop with ATCQ.
>
>instead TIP is on the outside looking in and he never made
>that statement record.
>
>Q Tip is like that Athlete or that Musician where he got a
>story of how influential he was to someone who became bigger
>and yet when dude had a chance to make a statement he never
>ever quite got it right.
>
>Q tip is sorta like the shuggie Ottis of Rap when you think
>about it IMO, though not as talented as Ottis, however the
>same kind of lore of a cat who had a impact, however some
>other cats went far and away than dude's reach

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asked to join a popular hip hop outfit again?

you do know Shuggie as a kid was asked to be part of the rolling stones?

Shuggie was the link between hendrix and sly to rick and prince and then later Lenny kravitz.

Q tip had connecting them kinda dots man.

i like tip however we never got that statement out of him.

his voice,pressence and charisma dwarf the actual solo output imo

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

matches is two entirely different animals and the bottom line 3 stacks had the career dude wanted and a cat like Drake as well is where Tip should be. alot of heads ain't thought about him in ages on the fo real fo real they see him as a Old school act.

ill take Shuggie Ottis with the quickness

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

inspiration information didn't sell a thing when it was released.

q-tip's had a LOT more of the spotlight than shuggie EVER did.

and tribe are just as important to hip-hop as the stones are to rock.

that made any real dent at all, a few folks might know Inspiration Information but only if they know his version of Strawberry Letter first.

Q-Tip wrote/produced all of Tribe Called Quest's first three classic albums aside from a Phife verse here or there.

Not to mention he has a platinum solo album after that & made a great solo album twenty years after getting on, putting him on a short-ass list for hip-hop.

Not to mention being instrumental in the early careers of Nas, Mobb Deep & Slum Village while also doing production work for Busta, Mariah, Whitney, Janet, Mary & Jay/Kanye.

Shuggie was asked to join the Stones 'touring band', no different than Bobby Keys, Billy Preston, Ian Stewart or any of the other cats they nabbed let alone full-fledged members like Mick Taylor.

Shit, poor Darryl Jones been playing with them on tour & record for 20 years now and he's in a trio with a friend of mine that's never had a record deal right now.

I'd rather listen to The Renaissance than Shuggie Otis' greatest hits let alone any of the first three Tribe records Tip crafted.

I mean I agree with you that Love Below is a far more substantial album than Kamal The Abstract but let's not get it twisted, Q-Tip is a legend while Shuggie Otis is a legendary 'coulda been'.

I wouldn't even say he's above Arthur Lee let alone belonging in any Jimi/Sly/Prince company.

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Why y'all respond to this FOOL with serious comments

>Q tip is sorta like the shuggie Ottis of Rap when you think
>about it IMO, though not as talented as Ottis, however the
>same kind of lore of a cat who had a impact, however some
>other cats went far and away than dude's reach

http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

get out of it
but as far as the rest of it, it's too silly a notion to even entertain so I'll leave it alone

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one of which went gold and had major hits on it. he's way more talented than shuggie.

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but I think the love below is the more enjoyable of the two.

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as you can sense from some of these replies shees

im with you tho

....and I'm a QTip fan.



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....just because my tastes (which obviously are superior) are different from yours. I know (based on what I've observed of you) that anytime someone chooses the material of any rapper/producer from a different region over an NYC rapper's/producer's material, you're all over the thread trying to convince them they're wrong. You stay acting butthurt over the fact that some people may not uphold the music gods you serve. Sorry, nigga, but LB is miles above KTA. KTA ain't that damn memorable.




Since 1976

>....just because my tastes (which obviously are superior) are
>different from yours.

I don't care what your tastes are, that's just a silly statement to make
I would say the same thing if it were the other way around


>I know (based on what I've observed of
>you) that anytime someone chooses the material of any
>rapper/producer from a different region over an NYC
>rapper's/producer's material, you're all over the thread
>trying to convince them they're wrong.

if you "know" that then you don't know shit


>You stay acting
>butthurt over the fact that some people may not uphold the
>music gods you serve. Sorry, nigga, but LB is miles above KTA.
>KTA ain't that damn memorable.


don't get fucked with a pole over a poll, my nigga


>Since 1976

have at thee balls

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KTA was just an aiight album. Nothing on there touches Prototype. Therefore, Prototype crushes that album. End of story.



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I listened to both today, just to make sure.
The highs of TLB slaughter KTA.

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But The Love Below is a classic to me. Despite the fact that Dre can't really sing.

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