2. "RE: its great and a respectable followup but" In response to Reply # 1
>It is NOT better than Rumors. > >Yeah it took guts to go with a double and more experimental >music after the success of Rumors but it is not better than >Rumors. > >Prince did the Tusk thing with his ATWIAD. > >U2 did it with Achtung Baby. > >Seems like when you have that worldwide smash, the only >sensible thing to do is go left. > >I think U2 surpassed their zeitgeist smash with Achtung Baby >though (i.. AB >>>>> Joshu..wait lemme stop)
5. "RE: its great and a respectable followup but" In response to Reply # 2
>>It is NOT better than Rumors. >> >>Yeah it took guts to go with a double and more experimental >>music after the success of Rumors but it is not better than >>Rumors. >> >>Prince did the Tusk thing with his ATWIAD. >> >>U2 did it with Achtung Baby. >> >>Seems like when you have that worldwide smash, the only >>sensible thing to do is go left. >> >>I think U2 surpassed their zeitgeist smash with Achtung Baby >>though (i.. AB >>>>> Joshu..wait lemme stop) > >FUCK U2 > >miss me with that GARBAGE
4. "RE: its great and a respectable followup but" In response to Reply # 3
> > >U2 was in a different boat though.... > >They released Rattle & Hum after JT, didn't they? That shit >was lukewarm at best and the critics ridiculed them... > >Actung was their comeback of sorts...And it was >experimental...But that was after the fact... > >What Prince and Fleetwood did took a lot more balls... > >Oh yeah...I like Tusk...But I agree with u...It ain't better >than Rumors...
Im not counting RnH as it was an offshoot and not a 'proper' album release. I know they got clwoned for RnH too, for being to serious and adaucity of their covering and embracing as new , already established forms of music. I think all three had balls to release what they did after their worldwide smashes. U2 changed up their sound and presentation.
8. "U2's wasn't a true follow-up all the way tho, Rattle & Hum was" In response to Reply # 1
and yeah I know the album's comprised of half or more old songs but it also had a few new ones that were all singles & became some of their bigger songs (Desire, Angel Of Harlem, When Love Comes To Town, All I Want Is You) plus had a theatrically released concert film & world tour behind it.
Rattle & Hum was when they became target practice for their politics, earnestness, self-serious demeanor, etc.
The backlash set in there & then they went to blow it up.
Achtung Baby's not a reaction to Joshua Tree as much as it was a reinvention because they'd taken the Joshua Tree thing to its final conclusion with Rattle + Hum.
11. "RE: U2's wasn't a true follow-up all the way tho, Rattle & Hum was" In response to Reply # 8
It wasnt a true followup, just because they created songs good enough to become staples. That was just testament to their talent.
AB was their first true album, set out in creation to be their new one. RnH was the (almost) typical record made while on the road playing their successful worldwide latest. Because they were so big, so came a full fledged movie and double album. It was basically a Amnesiac but it came first and taken to a higher media level.
>and yeah I know the album's comprised of half or more old >songs but it also had a few new ones that were all singles & >became some of their bigger songs (Desire, Angel Of Harlem, >When Love Comes To Town, All I Want Is You) plus had a >theatrically released concert film & world tour behind it. > >Rattle & Hum was when they became target practice for their >politics, earnestness, self-serious demeanor, etc. > >The backlash set in there & then they went to blow it up. > >Achtung Baby's not a reaction to Joshua Tree as much as it was >a reinvention because they'd taken the Joshua Tree thing to >its final conclusion with Rattle + Hum.
13. "RE: U2's wasn't a true follow-up all the way tho, Rattle & Hum was" In response to Reply # 11
>It wasnt a true followup, just because they created songs >good enough to become staples. That was just testament to >their talent. > >AB was their first true album, set out in creation to be their >new one. RnH was the (almost) typical record made while on the >road playing their successful worldwide latest. Because they >were so big, so came a full fledged movie and double album. It >was basically a Amnesiac but it came first and taken to a >higher media level. > I hear you to some degree, just saying the backlash/stasis they were viewed to be at going into 'Achtung Baby' was more Rattle & Hum double-album/concert-film fallout than just trying to reinvent themselves after 'Joshua Tree'.
Rattle & Hum was sorta them taking their style & trying to mesh it with more American blues/soul/early-rock-n-roll tradition.
And after reaching their saturation point here, they went to Berlin to find that German Engineered Euro Flavor & more ambient soundscapes.
That's a move they likely got from Bowie's Berlin Eno records after the Philly-soul-leanings of Young Americans, the subsequent U.S. tour & Station to Station album in L.A. (with pretty much the Young Americans album/tour band minus David Sanborn's sax).
9. "Yeah, Tusk is a coked-out masterpiece" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Sep-11-13 09:11 PM by ZooTown74
Lindsey definitely was ON ONE when they made this
You know he was on some shit when Warner Bros. actually put a "Special Thanks to Lindsey Buckingham From the Band" credit on the back, even though the band co-produced the record with Richard Dashut and Ken Caillat
And for all the talk of Janelle Monae's alleged "bloat," this is the very definition of a self-indulgent double album, and it's great
Not sure if it's touching Rumours, though
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14. "the self-titled pre-Rumours was sorta the now-underrated jump-off point" In response to Reply # 12
for this lineup.
That album was stuffed with almost as many singles as 'Rumours', it just didn't have the platform/backstory & a couple of the album tracks were less essential.
Fleetwood Mac to me is their Off The Wall to Rumors' Thriller.
15. "aka Lindsey and Stevie joined up" In response to Reply # 14
and I agree..its underrated and damn near just as good as Rumors. The stew was perfect on this one and was the cause for Rumors
>for this lineup. > >That album was stuffed with almost as many singles as >'Rumours', it just didn't have the platform/backstory & a >couple of the album tracks were less essential. > >Fleetwood Mac to me is their Off The Wall to Rumors' >Thriller.
17. "RE: fleetwood mac - tusk " In response to Reply # 0
My favorite album of theirs I know I am in the minority but I am not a big fan of Stevie Nicks and on here she didn't really have strong material So that's why the albums drags somewhat I retracked it without her stuff and it it is nice You could also just put all of Lindsey's stuff together This was his solo album with Mick and John as his rhythm section The guitar work is great
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