Okay, so, I posted this same topic about 2-3 years ago, only to be met with the usual, "Thug knew what he was doing, he was just trying to stay true to his audience."

So, as his releases get worse and worse (ESPECIALLY the mixes) and more scant, can I now get ya'll to admit that he did a TREMENDOUS injustice to his career by dissing the direction the Neptunes were trying to take him artistically.

I still feel Thug COULD have been one of the biggest names in the game had he not chosen to make that treacherous mistake that I'm pretty sure got him blacklisted for the most part.

Ego killed potential with this one...

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He stay dropping dope shit. Him and the neptunes really didn't fit well. He is living good in H-town doing him and dropping dope shit.

He had 2 great artist he ain't do nothing with LES and killa Kyleon. THE BHO ain't what htey use to be but Thugga still drops dope music.

IF he would have stayed with Neptunes he would have been over.

tell me who the neptunes made successful..The clipse? Slim Thug would have went the way of Roscoe P coldchain if he keep fucking with the neps.

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>He stay dropping dope shit. Him and the neptunes really
>didn't fit well. He is living good in H-town doing him and
>dropping dope shit.
>
>He had 2 great artist he ain't do nothing with LES and killa
>Kyleon. THE BHO ain't what htey use to be but Thugga still
>drops dope music.

I won't say he don't pick some GREAT beats at times, ESPECIALLY when Mr. Lee is on the boards, but, some can be horrid and the mixing on his projects leaves much to be desired. I remember listening to Tha Thug Show and hearing a a very murky veil over many of the tracks and distortion throughout the entire album.

>IF he would have stayed with Neptunes he would have been over.

Nope, He definitely would hve been much further along.

>tell me who the neptunes made successful..The clipse? Slim
>Thug would have went the way of Roscoe P coldchain if he keep
>fucking with the neps.

Well, Pusha T still has a career because of his early affiliation with the Neps. Robin Thicke OBVIOUSLY is doing well, which, to me, can be attributed to him sticking it out for the long haul rather than being impulsive. Kelis, although her career seems quite stalled at this point, went on to do quite a bit after leaving their camp.

And, PLEASE don't put Roscoe P. Coldchain's demise on the Neps. Getting locked up for murder has NEVER helped propel ANYONE'S career. That's on HIM.

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that's the only album of his I own.

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>In all honesty, I thought he stopped making music.

>In all honesty, I thought he stopped making music.

And, this is MY POINT. Because of his slide back into semi-obscurity, many people don't even know he's still making joints. If he had stayed with the Neptunes, even if he had not gone onto to be a multi-platinum star, he would still be relevant in the game.

Thugga was banking on the Houston scene blowing up much bigger than it did, and, with him being one of the better emcees from the region, he would have been leading the charge.

Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

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I'm talking I had them shits as ringtones when niggaz had ringtones.

Fam, I don't even really mess with Southern Hip Hop like that. But I thought that shit was good.

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I understand you didn't like Thugga you like the neptunes tho

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>I understand you didn't like Thugga you like the neptunes tho
>
As am I, owning all of his album but Tha Thugg Show and even owning some of the Boss Hoggz albums.

BUT, I can't say he's been better since the Neps.

The way I feel about him destroying that opportunity is the same way I feel when I hear stories abut Dilla passing on producing for Jay so he can work with Frank-n-Dank.

I think that some people self-sabotage their careers due to a fair of failure if they aim too high.

They'd much rather stay down here, close to the ground.

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his home base and not be able to come back like Lil Flip...

Slim is good he owns all his shit can make what he want to release it when he wants and tour when he wants.

Slim is eating good and dont owe nobody. HIm staying with the Neps he'll be in debt and not have the base he does now.

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>his home base and not be able to come back like Lil Flip...

Not sure exactly what Flip's situation is. I'd love to be educated, though.

>Slim is good he owns all his shit can make what he want to
>release it when he wants and tour when he wants.

Okay. Artistic freedom is great. I guess maybe my point should moreso be that I'm not exactly happy with the quality of music he's put out and that I think it would have been much better under the Neps.

>Slim is eating good and dont owe nobody. HIm staying with the
>Neps he'll be in debt and not have the base he does now.

I do think he would have maintained his base because I highly doubt a Slim album would have come out with Mr. Lee on a couple tracks. And, with continue success, he would have had more leverage to get more tracks by him on his albums.

I just think that, if you have the opportunity to widen that base, why not?

P.S. Mr. Lee is one of hip hop's most underrated producers. Probably second only to Quik.

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>Not sure exactly what Flip's situation is. I'd love to be
>educated, though.
this is his situation so sad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLbU46a-n2g Houston didn't like Lil flip so he wouldn't have fell this bad but
who knows what might have happen

>Okay. Artistic freedom is great. I guess maybe my point
>should moreso be that I'm not exactly happy with the quality
>of music he's put out and that I think it would have been much
>better under the Neps.
I dont think so but maybe


>
>I do think he would have maintained his base because I highly
>doubt a Slim album would have come out with Mr. Lee on a
>couple tracks. And, with continue success, he would have had
>more leverage to get more tracks by him on his albums.

His first album flop and he would have had less leverage they might made him go all the way pop if he would have stayed.

>I just think that, if you have the opportunity to widen that
>base, why not?
>
>P.S. Mr. Lee is one of hip hop's most underrated producers.
>Probably second only to Quik.

yea him and Mr.Lee work perfectly..we can agree on tha Mr.Lee is underrated as hell

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Flip must have REALLY been hurting for the money. That TRULY was a bad idea.

>His first album flop and he would have had less leverage they
>might made him go all the way pop if he would have stayed.

Not really. i think it's at like 700,000+ right now and it went gold pretty shortly after it's release. Wouldn't really call that a flop.

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I think the fact he called it already platium and didn't go it.

maybe not a flop but not the success he was looking for

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>I think the fact he called it already platium and didn't go
>it.

Yeah. That was setting himself up for failure.

>maybe not a flop but not the success he was looking for
>
>

Definitely.

Also, I forgot about the bonus cd that came with the first album, which had an additional 5 Mr. Lee tracks on it, which would have brought him up to 8 tracks with his in house producer.

With that many tracks from his in house, I don't see how he can say he was being forced to move away from his base...

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thugga disappeared after he left star trak better check his resume...he became one of the best down south rappers in recent years

>thugga disappeared after he left star trak better check his
>resume...he became one of the best down south rappers in
>recent years

Like A Boss, I Ain't Heard Of That, This Is My Life AND Dedicate were wack?! Come on...

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It didn't seem like head enough charisma to really maintain being down with Pharrell, publicly. Major superstardom seems like it had a few components he couldn't provide at the time.

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None of the artists from the Star Track label had successful long-lasting careers. Kelis, Kenna, Sa Ra Creative, etc.

wow.

LOL

Kelis had/has a pretty good career, especially to have been so unconventional. Kenna had great songs, but never materialized a solid look or visual presentation to match.

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Recently?

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It's not like he's selling used cars.

Just that he had great potential that was somewhat dimmed by his choice to break his relationship with the Neps...

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i said he ain't getting money like he could have. no where near the money he could have gotten

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dude is independent selling his own shit.. making his own money and not having to give 30% or more to the neptunes..he's making as much or more than he would be with them..he basically used them to extend his fan base...now he's getting big paper...you think the neptunes were gonna pay him properly? Fk no!

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Slim may be the 1st rapper to say he'd rather be rich than famous and
actually mean it (and live it) lol.

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>dude is independent selling his own shit.. making his own
>money and not having to give 30% or more to the neptunes..he's
>making as much or more than he would be with them..he
>basically used them to extend his fan base...now he's getting
>big paper...you think the neptunes were gonna pay him
>properly? Fk no!

And, EVERYBODY has to pay their dues in the rap game before seeing that REAL PAPER. Em didn't come in the game getting $2 an album. He had to prove his worth. It's just like basketball. If you murder cats when you're still on you're rookie contract, then you can negotiate a monster of a deal once that is up.

We'll see how much money he REALLY got in the long run. Lots of cats talk it and fake it until they can't anymore...

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>you can't call him broke and still walks around his city cool
>with everybody
>
>"only person I see the hood when I'm out is Slim Thug"-R.I.P
>Chad bulter


But that just me. And, hanging out in the hood has gone awry for many a rapper in the past and doesn't really prove much.

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Funny, but VERY true!

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now he's Lil Flip status
just stupid
speaking of people falling off after dissing the neptunes, the same thing kind of happened to beanie sigel after he tried to play pharrell for Don't Stop flopping as a single
Pharrell does have a lot of input as a producer but it's not like he forced these dudes to a)work with him b)pick those specific beats/hooks
ultimately the accountability is on the artist imo, especially if the producer moves on and has success without their ass

btw we're like another 6 months to a year away from adding Pusha T to the list of dudes who thought distancing themselves from Pharrell would help their career when it really was career suicide
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That, if he was signed to Star Trak, he probably would have been their go to guy for any rap features.

I could be wrong, though.

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>btw we're like another 6 months to a year away from adding
>Pusha T to the list of dudes who thought distancing themselves
>from Pharrell would help their career when it really was
>career suicide
>lol

Although I do feel Pharrell and 'nem have given the Clipse some trash beats at times, but, it's never a good move to burn a bridge with one of the biggest superproducers in the game, EVER.

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Having a mentor as well as a producer in his ear would've benefitted him, damn if I can think of who tho. Dre's version of "Bitch I'm Back" was dope, but I'm not sure if Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit was the place for him either. Grand Hustle maybe? *shrugs*

All in all, nobody can truthfully call him washed up. He didn't hit as big as some (myself included; he was my fave from the Houston explosion) hoped he would, but by all indications, he straight, financially. His recent musical output has been hit or miss, and he's not as known in the mainstream as he would have been with Star Trak, but who's to say he wanted to be?

And from what I heard, he was in "Jimmy jail" at Interscope and the only way he could get an album out was to link with Pharrell. Maybe it was a "one and done" deal, who knows.



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>Having a mentor as well as a producer in his ear would've
>benefitted him, damn if I can think of who tho. Dre's version
>of "Bitch I'm Back" was dope, but I'm not sure if
>Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit was the place for him either. Grand
>Hustle maybe? *shrugs*

So, that's where that "Bitch I'm Back" track came from? He was signed to Shady for a bit? DID NOT KNOW THIS! I always wondered where that track came from. It seemed kind of odd...

And, yes, he DEFINITELY needs guidance, even now on the independent tip.

>All in all, nobody can truthfully call him washed up. He
>didn't hit as big as some (myself included; he was my fave
>from the Houston explosion) hoped he would, but by all
>indications, he straight, financially. His recent musical
>output has been hit or miss, and he's not as known in the
>mainstream as he would have been with Star Trak, but who's to
>say he wanted to be?

You know what, I'm fine with him not wanting to mess with Star Trak, but, I'm like, if you're complaining about the musical direction they were taking you, then I expect that you're output, when no longer tampered with, should be pristine.
>And from what I heard, he was in "Jimmy jail" at Interscope
>and the only way he could get an album out was to link with
>Pharrell. Maybe it was a "one and done" deal, who knows.

Honestly, as bad as that may sound, I don't think being forced to mess with Pharrell is a horrible position to be in.

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