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philpot
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"proto-sampling? ie sampling/interpolating before rap did it?"


  

          

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHFEX_7kdsY&sns=em

^^should be around 5:45 or so where they appear to bring a song into the composition, any other examples of this?

am i bugging that this is unique?

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Teo Macero was doing it for Miles in 1970
Aug 03rd 2013
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from another song tho?
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      Sorry it was the song "Yesternow" on "Tribute to Jack Johnson"
Aug 03rd 2013
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           ahhhh...word
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jazz musicians quote each other all the time.
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i guess interpolating is different
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Oh, You Mean Layering Previous Recorded Material In New Songs
Aug 04th 2013
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Faust did it on their debut in 71...
Aug 04th 2013
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c71
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1. "Teo Macero was doing it for Miles in 1970"
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There's some song on "Bitches Brew" where Teo inserts a piece of "Shhh" "Peaceful" (I think I read that somewhere).

nah nah na na nah

  

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philpot
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2. "from another song tho?"
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or just overdubs

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c71
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3. "Sorry it was the song "Yesternow" on "Tribute to Jack Johnson""
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where Teo interpolated a piece of "Shhh/Peaceful" which was on "In a silent way" a completely different LP, so yes a different song. As in: "Yesternow" is not the same song as "shhh/Peaceful".

So the correct date is 1971 when "A tribute to Jack Johnson" was released.

  

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philpot
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5. "ahhhh...word"
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Joe Corn Mo
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4. "jazz musicians quote each other all the time. "
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the interpolation thing goes way back.

  

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philpot
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6. "i guess interpolating is different"
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i meant actually using a RECORDING OF ANOTHER SONG in the production of a new song

but yeah, what you're talkin bout is defintley a tradition sampling is a part of & i think i shouldn't have used interpolating in my post

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Dj Joey Joe
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7. "Oh, You Mean Layering Previous Recorded Material In New Songs"
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A lot of artists have done this in the 70's & 80's when mixing boards and consoles were starting to add more than eight channels at a time, when 24 & 48 channels were used to record and "studio engineers" got into layering sounds and using reel to reel to record and lift sounds for filling gaps, and adding effects & ambiance to songs.

Such as taking practice sessions, isolating the drums or a horn then reversing them (playing it backwards) or doubling up on them to give it a heavy or stere effect, or taking a popular song from an artist/band and using it as an intro to a new song.

Artists like Pink Floyd, Beatles, James Brown, Enoch Light, David Axelrod, Kraftwerk, etc.


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Jakob Hellberg
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8. "Faust did it on their debut in 71..."
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The first song "Why Don't you eat carrots" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmoCuDAYmsQ has samples (NOT interpolations) of "Satisfaction" and "All you need is love" in the beginning. Faust's entire schtick in those days was actually built on a form of sampling even if it was usually their own music.

Basically, the producer Uwe Nettelbeck had them in a studio where they were jamming and doing whatever they wanted and then the producer listened throught the tapes and created songs out of the highlights. Their third album "Faust tapes" is even more like that. The second and fourth on are quite "normal" though even if parts of them were recorded at the same sessions...

  

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