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Tony Hanes
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"In 2013 Nas is just a better MC than Jay-Z now: Different Focus**"


          

I don't have a long drawn out narrative. To me when I think of 2013 and these 2 legends, Nas just appears more focused, has better songs, flow and of course lyrics than Jay-Z. Yes Jay-Z is more or less recognized as the King of Hip Hop by many but Nas (of course I always thought this though Jigga album runs might be better) was he better MC. Now, Jay-Z just appears to be going through the motions. He is still dope when he want to be but Nas just comes off as the better MC at this point in their careers.

So...

1. Is Nas the better MC in 2013 to you?
2. When was the last great song and album for these legends?
3. Random comment about them or hip hop in general..

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yeah Nas been killing shit everywhere this year.
Aug 02nd 2013
1
And last year. And 2011. And 2010.
Aug 02nd 2013
3
      Nas has done nothing this year
Aug 04th 2013
45
           His J-Cole response is better than anything on MCHG, by far
Aug 04th 2013
59
                Agreed
Aug 04th 2013
66
                     I agree with you and O_E there
Aug 04th 2013
68
                     lol @ idea and execution
Aug 04th 2013
70
                          You didn't speak to his point tho
Aug 04th 2013
73
                               Atruhead hangs out in Mosh pits at OFWGKTA concerts
Aug 05th 2013
76
RE: In 2013 Nas is just a better MC than Jay-Z now: Different Focus**
Aug 02nd 2013
2
In 2013, water remains wet
Aug 02nd 2013
4
On the real, both are bland these days and sound tired
Aug 02nd 2013
5
Nah, Nas just out-rapped J.Cole on his own beat, with ease.
Aug 03rd 2013
7
^^^^Thinks Outrapping J Cole is a huge accomplishment
Aug 03rd 2013
13
      Hey cupcake, how are you?
Aug 03rd 2013
15
           I'm great. Im making trolls mad by mocking their replies
Aug 03rd 2013
34
                I'm well, cupcake. Thanks for asking. : - )
Aug 04th 2013
38
Not sure what you're hearing, but Nas sounds like he caught
Aug 03rd 2013
12
      For real...ever since that Victory joint...
Aug 04th 2013
40
Only in the Lesson is this even a conversation.
Aug 03rd 2013
6
How is it a 'conversation' in The Lesson? It's unanimous.
Aug 03rd 2013
18
Are you ever going to stop this "only in the lesson" bullshit?
Aug 03rd 2013
26
Nas been better than Jigga since his inception
Aug 03rd 2013
8
^^^^^^
Aug 03rd 2013
9
That's all there is to it and its not even really close
Aug 03rd 2013
10
EXACTLY!
Aug 03rd 2013
11
This is truth. The divide is just much greater now and growing
Aug 03rd 2013
14
Yeah, folks can't seperate Jay-Z the movement from the rapper
Aug 03rd 2013
16
FugetAboutIt
Aug 03rd 2013
17
church
Aug 03rd 2013
19
The realness
Aug 03rd 2013
20
the end
Aug 03rd 2013
22
Eh, that's always been sorta corny to me.
Aug 03rd 2013
28
Lol
Aug 03rd 2013
31
Well, this is the thing, IMO.
Aug 03rd 2013
32
      nah I think Nas fans know by now
Aug 04th 2013
36
           You'd be surprised man, lol
Aug 04th 2013
37
Its corny how you make statements with no facts
Aug 04th 2013
48
Yep
Aug 03rd 2013
29
you're a struggle rapper though
Aug 04th 2013
46
      Since you know my struggle so well share
Aug 04th 2013
47
      Jay is a globally respected rapper. Musa isn't.
Aug 04th 2013
71
           Jay is a globally respected businessman. C-minus level rapper nowadays.
Aug 05th 2013
77
           Oh wow you really got me there
Aug 05th 2013
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      U gonna launch personal attacks on all 10 of his cosigns too?
Aug 05th 2013
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      Evryhtgings gonna be ok dude lol
Aug 05th 2013
81
NAS HAS ALWAYS BEEN BETTER THAN JAY
Aug 03rd 2013
21
can we also have a conversation about the myth
Aug 03rd 2013
23
Yea we've had that conversation...Nas discography is head and shoulder I...
Aug 03rd 2013
27
      Personally, I don't agree with all of these.
Aug 03rd 2013
30
           No dude...No
Aug 03rd 2013
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                RE: No dude...No
Aug 03rd 2013
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I have been feeling Nas more this past year.
Aug 03rd 2013
24
Oh, and to answer your questions, lol
Aug 03rd 2013
25
Nas Has Always Been A Better Emcee Than Jay-Z
Aug 04th 2013
39
when has this ever not been the case?
Aug 04th 2013
41
came threw to say
Aug 04th 2013
42
what's your point? the world is full of great MCs
Aug 04th 2013
43
In other words, Nas is better than Jay. Thanks for contributing.
Aug 04th 2013
44
lol, flow-wise is like the one area there's no argument for Nas over Jay
Aug 04th 2013
49
      LOL -- how's that new Kreayshawn album?
Aug 04th 2013
50
           u tell me, I ain't heard it, I see your Summer Of Sulk is still ongoing
Aug 04th 2013
51
                Name your greatest example of Jay Flowing
Aug 04th 2013
52
                     too many to name & there'd be no point since ur gonna ride for ur dude
Aug 04th 2013
54
                          You're embarrassing yourself : - (
Aug 04th 2013
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                          ^^^Somebody help OE out and create a "flow" entry on Wikipedia
Aug 04th 2013
56
                          LOL @ 'listen to Street Disciples', this is why I don't bother
Aug 04th 2013
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                          Cool, glad you concede. You shoulda just said so up front
Aug 04th 2013
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                               I concede that you don't seem to understand what flow means
Aug 04th 2013
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                                    Jay has better business flow than Nas. But rap? Bwhahahaah
Aug 04th 2013
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                                         lol, you lying to yourself in the subject-line & lyin' on me in the body
Aug 04th 2013
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                                              Jay-Z: Dope wife. Dope sports agent. C-minus level rapper since 2007.
Aug 04th 2013
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                                              Whenever OE loses he pulls shit like that
Aug 04th 2013
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                                                   He already conceded Nas had better flow, cupcake
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                        please stop lying on me, O_Dawg, it's unseemly n/m
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                             Nah, I deaded this whole debate, y'all just don't know what "flow" is.
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                                  you deaded it with that flow of bullshit u typed, 'that about it'(c)
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                                       Nah, I'm right, correct, spot on, all that.
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                                            O_Dawg, saying Zeta-Jones deserved a Best Actress Oscar for Broken City
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                                                 o you wanna battle?
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                                                 doggie you got free room & board by the beach anytime u wan come test
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                                                 I'm like, one two, one two...
Aug 05th 2013
107
                          OE, I thought you had a better grasp of hip hop then this :(
Aug 05th 2013
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                               Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about "flow."
Aug 05th 2013
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                                    Aceyalone's flow >> Nas' flow
Aug 05th 2013
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                                    bwhahahahahhahhahahahahahahahah
Aug 05th 2013
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                                    RE: Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about "flow."
Aug 05th 2013
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                                    RE: Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about "flow.&q...
Aug 05th 2013
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                                         thank you for excersising some journalistic integrity here, murph
Aug 05th 2013
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                                         RE: Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about "flow.&q...
Aug 05th 2013
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                                              This is my point exactly attempting a variety
Aug 05th 2013
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                                                   RE: This is my point exactly attempting a variety
Aug 05th 2013
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                          Flow is how you ride a beat not exclusively changing
Aug 04th 2013
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                               Yup...I thought people were joking. Jay gets out-flowed ALL THE TIME.
Aug 04th 2013
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he been better, however his commerical prime and peak is long gone
Aug 04th 2013
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how the fuck you know what nas would do? thats right...you dont
Aug 04th 2013
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aug 04th 2013
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RE: he been better, however his commerical prime and peak is long gone
Aug 05th 2013
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What....
Aug 05th 2013
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I guess these two will forever be tied at the hip like Ali-Frazier
Aug 05th 2013
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      Ali-Frazier were closer in talent than Jay and Nas.
Aug 05th 2013
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           Hmm, trying to come up with a better boxing analogy
Aug 05th 2013
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                Hagler and Hearns, to some degree
Aug 05th 2013
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                     Can Hearns outrap J Cole though?
Aug 05th 2013
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                          Probably not, Hearns' right hand was among the best ever though.
Aug 05th 2013
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                               Pudding, you know so much about sports!
Aug 05th 2013
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Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?
Aug 05th 2013
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RE: Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?
Aug 05th 2013
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      RE: Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?
Aug 05th 2013
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           RE: Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?
Aug 05th 2013
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                WILD HORSE POWER!!
Aug 05th 2013
100

atruhead
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1. "yeah Nas been killing shit everywhere this year."
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derp.

  

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3. "And last year. And 2011. And 2010."
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He's on a 4 year run of killing just about everything he touches whether it's his own work or a guest spot.

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45. "Nas has done nothing this year"
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59. "His J-Cole response is better than anything on MCHG, by far"
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Like, by far.


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66. "Agreed"
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It's not just the verse though.

It was the whole idea and execution.

  

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68. "I agree with you and O_E there"
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MCHG, Jay rarely stays focused to fully deliver a concept. Nas killed that though

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70. "lol @ idea and execution"
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J Cole: Im gonna do a song about how I let you down, do a response about how you're proud of me and we'll put it out the week after the album drops

Nas: Cool.

and yall buy the shit, caught up in the hype (c) Blueprint 2

  

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73. "You didn't speak to his point tho"
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Is it or is it not better than everything on MCHG?

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76. "Atruhead hangs out in Mosh pits at OFWGKTA concerts"
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2. "RE: In 2013 Nas is just a better MC than Jay-Z now: Different Focus**"
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>1. Is Nas the better MC in 2013 to you?

Not even worth comparing the two


>2. When was the last great song and album for these legends?

Nas:
- pick a song from Life is Good
- Life is Good

Jay:
- Success
- Black Album (American Gangster was just "pretty damn good" to me)


>3. Random comment about them or hip hop in general..

Jay been done. Nas has been on a resurgence tour for going on 4 years now. I've liked all his work since Stillmatic but he's taken his craft to another level since 2010.

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4. "In 2013, water remains wet"
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5. "On the real, both are bland these days and sound tired"
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7. "Nah, Nas just out-rapped J.Cole on his own beat, with ease."
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He can still out rap just about anyone, with ease,
whenever he wants.

And he put out a good album last year.

Jay has past his saturation point and its downhill
for him as a rapper at this point

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13. "^^^^Thinks Outrapping J Cole is a huge accomplishment"
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15. "Hey cupcake, how are you? "
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How you been?

  

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34. "I'm great. Im making trolls mad by mocking their replies"
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you?

  

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38. "I'm well, cupcake. Thanks for asking. : - ) "
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12. "Not sure what you're hearing, but Nas sounds like he caught"
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a 2nd wind. He's rapping better than he was in the Nastradamus era.

  

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40. "For real...ever since that Victory joint..."
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He's been on another planet.

And that's the thing between these two. I can not remember one time that Jay gave me that reaction. When I heard that Victory verse, and I think it was pretty much the consensus on here, I said "Nas is the best...he's just better than everyone else when he goes in"

Jay has never made me say that. Nas has tons of those moments.

And this resurgence started with that verse. He killed that, killed Distant Relatives, killed all these guest spots, killed Life Is Good.

It's a serious run right now.

  

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6. "Only in the Lesson is this even a conversation. "
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Nas is thousands of times better and more relevant
than Jay as a RAPPER. He still makes quality music.
Jay does not.

  

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18. "How is it a 'conversation' in The Lesson? It's unanimous."
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There's not a single reply in this whole post that says Jay is currently better.

Which is accurate of course.

But, you got this one backwards. Basically EVERYONE in The Lesson knows this.

It's out in real life where you might actually find some casual fans who don't know any better.

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26. "Are you ever going to stop this "only in the lesson" bullshit?"
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8. "Nas been better than Jigga since his inception"
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It was never a question until niggaz got revisionist happy and acted like record sales, and networth = rhyme skill.

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9. "^^^^^^"
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10. "That's all there is to it and its not even really close"
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11. "EXACTLY!"
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Like...bar for bar.....Nas makes Jay Z look like Eli Porter.

And that's being nice.

Jay knew how to make the club banger, tho...

We see through all that boo boo like it's ghost shit... (c) Quelle Chris

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14. "This is truth. The divide is just much greater now and growing"
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16. "Yeah, folks can't seperate Jay-Z the movement from the rapper"
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As an entity/thing he's probably top 3 all-time

But his music has been mostly shitty, especially
recently

He's actually not a very good artist these days, like,
at all



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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17. "FugetAboutIt"
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20. "The realness "
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22. "the end"
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28. "Eh, that's always been sorta corny to me."
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It's not record sales/revisionist history. I'm sure that's some of it, to some people. But a lot of people who like Nas more act like it's impossible for them to actually like Jay more based on his music. It's this commercial vs. "real" mentality that isn't really necessary anymore.

IMO, Jay usually does a much better job of bringing everything together for a complete project. He's almost always had better beats, he's better at making a diverse array of song types and doing them all well, he's made better anthems, he's had better guest appearances.

I guess in sports terms, he was a better complete player than Nas, while Nas was better in specific skill sets. Nas is a better storyteller, has better flow (even though Jay's flow was crazy at one point), and he's better at being introspective and telling the lives of people around him. That said ,for the longest time, I wouldn't really listen to his albums like that because he didn't pull it all together often e

Don't get me wrong, I don't fault anyone who likes Nas more. Depends what you're looking for in what you listen to. I like Nas more these days too. But to say it's all due to revisionist history or record sales is downplaying his catalog too much.

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31. "Lol"
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>I'm sure that's some of it, to some people.
>
>But IMO, Jay usually does a much better job of bringing
>everything together for a complete project.

Lol

He's almost always
>had better beats,

Lol

he's better at making a diverse array of
>song types and do them all well

Lol!

he's made better anthems,

Ok...I'll give you that but who cares?

>he's had better guests.
>

Lol

>I guess in sports terms, he was a better complete player than
>Nas, while Nas was better in specific skill sets. Nas is a
>better storyteller, has better flow (even though Jay's flow
>was crazy at one point), and he's better at being
>introspective and telling the lives of people around him. That
>said ,for the longest time, I wouldn't really listen to his
>albums like that because he didn't pull it all together often
>e

Looks like you just said Nay was better all around and the. Have the important categories to Nas Lol

>
>Don't get me wrong, I don't fault anyone who likes Nas more;
>I'm liking Nas more these days too. But to say it's all due to
>revisionist history or record sales is downplaying his catalog
>too much.


It really is bro.

  

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32. "Well, this is the thing, IMO."
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>Looks like you just said Nay was better all around and the.
>Have the important categories to Nas Lol

I think Jay's lyrics are wittier, and he makes a more diverse array of songs. I also think Jay's closer to Nas in Nas' strengths than Nas is to Jay in Jay's strengths, if that makes sense. Nas is a 10 in storytelling, a 10 in flow, and a 10 in telling other peoples' stories. Jay is a 8 in storytelling, an 8 in flow, and probably a 7-8 in telling other peoples' stories.

By contrast, Nas is like a 5 in club songs, anthems, beats, and different types of songs. Probably a 7 in overall album crafting. I give Jay high marks in those categories.

As I said, it's all about what you look for in your music. I'm all about the full picture most of the time, and I don't think Nas always has that (though I think he does it much better with his last few).

Either way, it's corny to always revert to the "Jay's fans only like him more because he sells records" bullshit. Sure, some fans do. But there are plenty of Nas fans who give Nas more props because of the "real hip-hop"/"anti-commercial" stance they feel he represents. Everybody has fans who like them for reasons other than their music, but there are also people who like artists for their music alone.

I'd wait for someone to actually bring up sales before shutting them down, lol

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36. "nah I think Nas fans know by now"
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that nas isn't exactly "anti commercial" lmao.

Nas is my fav MC btw lol



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37. "You'd be surprised man, lol"
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My point is that Jay-Z isn't the only rapper who fans like for reasons outside of his music. I don't think Nas is an exception to that rule.

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48. "Its corny how you make statements with no facts"
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When it comes to putting words together

Who flows better
Who is the better story teller
Who is better lyrically
metaphors
Alliteration
Song writer
Diverse content
Creative writing
Wit


I can go on and on this aint about commercial vs underground both predate the great divide you have now. Your rambling is faulted NAS is better and it was never a debate.

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46. "you're a struggle rapper though"
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Jay was one of the best before he was selling albums

  

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how much im struggling?

Prove me wrong. NAS IS BETTER and you are mad.

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71. "Jay is a globally respected rapper. Musa isn't."
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77. "Jay is a globally respected businessman. C-minus level rapper nowadays. "
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79. "Oh wow you really got me there"
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ironically you can come to my show in Montreal next month. Give me your email.

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74. "U gonna launch personal attacks on all 10 of his cosigns too?"
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or just him?

  

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81. "Evryhtgings gonna be ok dude lol"
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>Jay was one of the best before he was selling albums

  

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21. "NAS HAS ALWAYS BEEN BETTER THAN JAY"
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JAY IS JUST A BETTER BUSINESS MAN



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23. "can we also have a conversation about the myth"
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That Jay has such a better discog than Nas is also bullshit... and I like MCHG AND BPIII

  

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27. "Yea we've had that conversation...Nas discography is head and shoulder I..."
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Illmatic >>> Reasonable Doubt
It Was Written >>> Vol 1
I Am >>> Vol 2
Nastradamus >>> Vol 3 (I don't like either but Project Windows, Life We Chose and Last Words are the best 3 joints on either)
I'm not sure what to make of Dynasty, The Firm and QBs Finest
Stillmatic = Blueprint
God's Son >>> BP 2
The Black Album >>> Street's Disciple
Hip-Hop Is Dead >>> Kingdom Come
Untitled = American Ganster
Life Is Good >>> BP 3
MCHG is just kind of there until Nas drops again.
Distant Relative >>> Watch The Throne
And then tack on The Lost Tapes for Nas and this shit is beyond a ridiculous comparison. Even if you give Jay Blueprint and American Gangster, which I like both a lot.

And consider Jay lucky that I ignored Best of Both Worlds

  

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30. "Personally, I don't agree with all of these."
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But music is subjective, so it is what it is, lol

>Illmatic >>> Reasonable Doubt
I'll give you that. Illmatic is the best album of all time IMO.

>It Was Written >>> Vol 1
I'd put these as equal. I thought Vol. 1 had lots of Jay's best songs before he fully went into the commercial mode on Vol. 2. You Must Love Me, Lucky Me, Friend Or Fie 98, Rap Game/Crack Game, Where I'm From, Imaginary Players. Classic Jay records.

>I Am >>> Vol 2
Disagree. I Am had Big Things, one of Nas' worst songs, IMO. Vol. 2 had Jay really killing his commercial lane hard with Hard Knock Life, Money Ain't A Thing, Can I Get A. Then he was KILLING shit with Timbaland with Nigga What/Nigga Who and Paper Chase. Street edge was still there with Reservoir Dogs and A Week Ago. I didn't think the weaker songs "It's Alright" and "It's Like That" weighed it down too much since they were near the end.

I Am as its original leak was definitely better than Vol. 2. But the production was meh, really took away from the replayability of what would've been dope songs, IMO. Definitely had some gems though: Nas Is Like and NYSOM2 were both incredible, Undying Love, We Will Survive. But the ones that were outside of his realm were weak, IMO: Dr. Knockboot was weak, You Won't See Me Tonight felt forced to me (haven't listened to it in a while though, maybe that's changed), Big Things was GARBAGE.

>Nastradamus >>> Vol 3 (I don't like either but Project
>Windows, Life We Chose and Last Words are the best 3 joints on
>either)

Disagree there too. Vol. 3 only had three weak joints: Pop 4 Roc, S. Carter and Things That U Do. So Ghetto, Do It Again, Dope Man, NYMP, Come and Get Me, all crazy.

>I'm not sure what to make of Dynasty, The Firm and QBs Finest
>Stillmatic = Blueprint

Agreed

>God's Son >>> BP 2

Agreed

>The Black Album >>> Street's Disciple

Agreed

>Hip-Hop Is Dead >>> Kingdom Come

Agreed

>Untitled = American Ganster

Happy to see someone give props to Untitled, album gets way too much hate, IMO. I give American Gangster the benefit here, but only by a hair. It's very, very close. But it's very close to a tie, probably close.

>Life Is Good >>> BP 3

Agreed

>MCHG is just kind of there until Nas drops again.

>Distant Relative >>> Best of Both Worlds 1 & 2

Yeah, but I think Watch The Throne is much closer to Distant Relatives. You also left out The Firm, which is worse than Best of Both Worlds 2 at the very least.

>And then tack on The Lost Tapes for Nas and this shit is
>beyond a ridiculous comparison. Even if you give Jay
>Blueprint and American Gangster, which I like both a lot.

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33. "No dude...No"
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>But music is subjective, so it is what it is, lol
>

I will agree with that but sometimes people's opinions don't add up and become hypocritical.

>>Illmatic >>> Reasonable Doubt
>I'll give you that. Illmatic is the best album of all time
>IMO.
>
>>It Was Written >>> Vol 1
>I'd put these as equal. I thought Vol. 1 had lots of Jay's
>best songs before he fully went into the commercial mode on
>Vol. 2. You Must Love Me, Lucky Me, Friend Or Fie 98, Rap
>Game/Crack Game, Where I'm From, Imaginary Players. Classic
>Jay records.
>

I'm a HUGE Vol 1 supporter. But it is in no way a better album that IWW. Shit, IWW is better than RD to me.

>>I Am >>> Vol 2
>Disagree. I Am had Big Things, one of Nas' worst songs, IMO.
>Vol. 2 had Jay really killing his commercial lane hard with
>Hard Knock Life, Money Ain't A Thing, Can I Get A. Then he was
>KILLING shit with Timbaland with Nigga What/Nigga Who and
>Paper Chase. Street edge was still there with Reservoir Dogs
>and A Week Ago. I didn't think the weaker songs "It's Alright"
>and "It's Like That" weighed it down too much since they were
>near the end.
>
>I Am as its original leak was definitely better than Vol. 2.
>But the production was meh, really took away from the
>replayability of what would've been dope songs, IMO.
>Definitely had some gems though: Nas Is Like and NYSOM2 were
>both incredible, Undying Love, We Will Survive. But the ones
>that were outside of his realm were weak, IMO: Dr. Knockboot
>was weak, You Won't See Me Tonight felt forced to me (haven't
>listened to it in a while though, maybe that's changed), Big
>Things was GARBAGE.
>
>>Nastradamus >>> Vol 3 (I don't like either but Project
>>Windows, Life We Chose and Last Words are the best 3 joints
>on
>>either)
>
>Disagree there too. Vol. 3 only had three weak joints: Pop 4
>Roc, S. Carter and Things That U Do. So Ghetto, Do It Again,
>Dope Man, NYMP, Come and Get Me, all crazy.
>

I can not begin to tell you how much I fucking hate Vol 2 and Vol 3 and this is where the hypocrisy comes in. Because if you like those bullshit ass pandering albums then you have no right to down I Am or Nastradamus period. At the end of the day, Nas is a much better MC than Jay and is much more creative with his concepts.

>>I'm not sure what to make of Dynasty, The Firm and QBs
>Finest

>>Stillmatic = Blueprint
>
>Agreed
>
>>God's Son >>> BP 2
>
>Agreed
>
>>The Black Album >>> Street's Disciple
>
>Agreed
>
>>Hip-Hop Is Dead >>> Kingdom Come
>
>Agreed
>
>>Untitled = American Ganster
>
>Happy to see someone give props to Untitled, album gets way
>too much hate, IMO. I give American Gangster the benefit here,
>but only by a hair. It's very, very close. But it's very close
>to a tie, probably close.
>

See above. I like American Gangster but like I said, Nas is simply the better MC and is just more creative.

>>Life Is Good >>> BP 3
>
>Agreed
>
>>MCHG is just kind of there until Nas drops again.
>
>>Distant Relative >>> Best of Both Worlds 1 & 2
>
>Yeah, but I think Watch The Throne is much closer to Distant
>Relatives.

Watch The Throne isn't close to Distant Relatives. DR is a special album.

You also left out The Firm, which is worse than
>Best of Both Worlds 2 at the very least.
>

I mentioned The Firm above with Dynasty and QB. And there is no way an album that contains Firm Fiasco, Phone Tap and Executive Decisions is worse than that bullshit Jay and Kells put out. I don't care how bad he rest of the Firm is (it does still have Desperados, I'm Leaving and the last joint is tough).

>>And then tack on The Lost Tapes for Nas and this shit is
>>beyond a ridiculous comparison. Even if you give Jay
>>Blueprint and American Gangster, which I like both a lot.
>

  

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35. "RE: No dude...No"
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>I'm a HUGE Vol 1 supporter. But it is in no way a better
>album that IWW. Shit, IWW is better than RD to me.

Agree to disagree. Same way Jay had his commercial bullshit at certain points, Nas had his mafioso bullshit at certain points. Both had small chinks in the perfection that their debuts displayed.

>I can not begin to tell you how much I fucking hate Vol 2 and
>Vol 3 and this is where the hypocrisy comes in. Because if
>you like those bullshit ass pandering albums then you have no
>right to down I Am or Nastradamus period. At the end of the
>day, Nas is a much better MC than Jay and is much more
>creative with his concepts.

I think Jay is more versatile than Nas - he isn't as creative, per se, but he's better when he shoots for other crowds than Nas is when he does it. For example: Jay is still a competent storyteller/conceptual rapper on "Dope Man," "NYMP," "A Week Ago," and "Coming Of Age." Je definitely pandered, but aside from "Things U Do," the pandering songs actually were dope songs.

By contrast, Nas sounds completely out of place on songs like Dr. Knockboot, Big Things, You Owe Me, Shoot Em Up, etc., when he went outside of his comfort zone. That's not to say Vol. 2-3 didn't have their missteps too though, because they did. But I Am was hurt BADLY by the leak, and Nastradamus is widely regarded as Nas' worst album. By contrast, Vol. 2 is Jay's breakout album.

>See above. I like American Gangster but like I said, Nas is
>simply the better MC and is just more creative.

Again, depends what you look for. Nas is more creative, but I thought Jay's execution on American Gangster was slightly better. But again, very slight. I wouldn't fault anyone for saying Untitled is better.

>Watch The Throne isn't close to Distant Relatives. DR is a
>special album.

I think WTT is special as well. I think they both execute their desired ideas very well.

>I mentioned The Firm above with Dynasty and QB. And there is
>no way an album that contains Firm Fiasco, Phone Tap and
>Executive Decisions is worse than that bullshit Jay and Kells
>put out. I don't care how bad he rest of the Firm is (it does
>still have Desperados, I'm Leaving and the last joint is
>tough).

OK, that's the only thing you've really changed my mind about when you mention those joints on The Firm's album lol. The Firm is better than both BOBW albums, I'll agree there.

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24. "I have been feeling Nas more this past year."
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I think Nas' trio of Distant Relatives, Untitled and Life Is Good > Jay's trio of Watch The Throne, Blueprint 3 and Magna Carta Holy Grail. I think Nas has been much better as an emcee, lately: his flow has been precise, his lyrics are sharp and introspective, and he's getting the production bug right these days.

Nas cameos have been crazy, too. His verse on Ross' "Triple Beam Dreams" > any Jay verse on MCHG, IMO.

It's weird, because Jay's my favorite rapper. But Nas has definitely been outdoing him as of late, IMO.

They've always had certain strengths over each other. But I think that now, Nas is actually outdoing Jay-Z in creating great complete songs and projects - before, that was Jay's bread and butter.

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25. "Oh, and to answer your questions, lol"
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>1. Is Nas the better MC in 2013 to you?

Yes, Nas is better in 2013.

>2. When was the last great song and album for these legends?

I'd say the last Jay performance I was really impressed by was on Watch The Throne. Welcome To The Jungle, No Church In The Wild, Otis. Nas' last great joint was his rendition of Let Nas Down.

>3. Random comment about them or hip hop in general..

Reply no. 24

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39. "Nas Has Always Been A Better Emcee Than Jay-Z"
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Not sure what you all been listening to but Nas is just more of an emcee even though he still needs to get better at picking dope beats or production that fits him.


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this place has been one long head scratch for the past few months

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42. "came threw to say"
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Jigga conquers on Black Republicans
the WIT in Jays verse is impeccable




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43. "what's your point? the world is full of great MCs"
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who no one wants to listen to.
i love nas
but he has a chasm of albums that i have no interest in hearing because of the mediocre production or song-writing.*

there's no doubt he can rappity rap rap his ass off.
but that isn't always enough to hold one's interest.

*this can also be said about some of hov's efforts.

flow-wise, i think nas is more adventurous and probably more talented than jay z. but that is only a fraction of the pie imo.

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44. "In other words, Nas is better than Jay. Thanks for contributing. "
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49. "lol, flow-wise is like the one area there's no argument for Nas over Jay"
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>
>flow-wise, i think nas is more adventurous and probably more
>talented than jay z. but that is only a fraction of the pie
>imo.

  

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50. "LOL -- how's that new Kreayshawn album? "
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Jay is not a good artist, Bomb. Hasn't been
for about 5 years.

The debate is over. Jay's "longevity" has more to do
with clothing and choice of wife than music. His music
been trash for years.

Nas has the better catalogue. Nas has stayed relevant
longer. Nas is the better rapper.

Jay is a sports agent, though!


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51. "u tell me, I ain't heard it, I see your Summer Of Sulk is still ongoing"
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Sun Aug-04-13 02:49 PM by Bombastic

  

          

I don't really care about all that stuff you're blabbering on about trying to bait me into an argument.

I'm a Nas fan & like his most recent work far better than Jay's.

This dude said Nas is 'more adventurous with his flows & more talented flow-wise' which is just silly to any listener being remotely objective about their respective careers.

Flow (and the ability to switch said flow up or meld it to the beat he's on) has always been Jay's greatest asset while when Nas veers from his natural flow the results have been spotty at best.

I mean that's just common sense & the one category even Jay's staunchest critics or Nas' biggest fans would have to concede even if they gave Nas every other category or risk losing any credibility.

  

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52. "Name your greatest example of Jay Flowing"
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It will never touch

Verbal Intercourse verse

The message

No Idea's original

Live nigga rap

Memory Lane

Gotta love it

Thiefs theme

Star Warz

<----

Soundcloud.com/aquil84

(HIP HOP)
http://aquil.bandcamp.com

  

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54. "too many to name & there'd be no point since ur gonna ride for ur dude"
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in the face of any logic but half those verses you named are the same natural Nas flow he's always in, same BPMs, cadence, everything.

Go listen to what happens to Nas on 'Big Things' & then listen to 'Jigga What (Originators 98)'.

That's a different species.

Memory Lane was Nas flowing his ass off but he even said himself he can't actually rap like that onstage without assistance.

Not lyrics, not voice, not content, FLOW.

Does anyone really think Nas has displayed as many different ones or been as effortlessly in-the-pocket over as many different kind of musical backdrops over the course of his career as Jay-Z? NO.

I instantly disregard anyone's opinion who would try to pretend otherwise.

  

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55. "You're embarrassing yourself : - ( "
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>in the face of any logic but half those verses you named are
>the same natural Nas flow he's always in, same BPMs, cadence,
>everything.

And those flows are superior to Jay's flows

>Go listen to what happens to Nas on 'Big Things' & then listen
>to 'Jigga What (Originators 98)'.

LOL -

Listen to Nas on 'Street Disciples' and tell me a Jay song
with 1/1000th that level of flow.

>That's a different species.

Yup. Nas is further evolved in every conceivable way

Jay does have an awesome wife. Plus he's a sports agent

>Memory Lane was Nas flowing his ass off but he even said
>himself he can't actually rap like that onstage without
>assistance.

LOL -- so you're talking about "ability to flow during
live performance" now?

Bwahaah making shit up

>Not lyrics, not voice, not content, FLOW.

I heard your wrong, dumbass opinion the first 14 times

>Does anyone really think Nas has displayed as many different
>ones or been as effortlessly in-the-pocket over as many
>different kind of musical backdrops over the course of his
>career as Jay-Z? NO.

Yes. Its like, not really debatable even.

>I instantly disregard anyone's opinion who would try to
>pretend otherwise.

You're making shit up. Nas' flow is better. Like, by far.


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56. "^^^Somebody help OE out and create a "flow" entry on Wikipedia "
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He's flailing here.

  

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57. "LOL @ 'listen to Street Disciples', this is why I don't bother "
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58. "Cool, glad you concede. You shoulda just said so up front"
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You're a sensible cat most of the time, when you're
not saying that Kreayshawn > Lupe, that is




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60. "I concede that you don't seem to understand what flow means"
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therefore it would be an exercise in futility to debate the issue with you, since you inevitably just fallback to fan fiction like this:
>
>You're a sensible cat most of the time, when you're
>not saying that Kreayshawn > Lupe, that is
>
try not to be surly all summer.

  

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62. "Jay has better business flow than Nas. But rap? Bwhahahaah"
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Sorry guy

And you did say Kreayshawn was better than Lupe


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64. "lol, you lying to yourself in the subject-line & lyin' on me in the body"
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>
>Sorry guy
>
>And you did say Kreayshawn was better than Lupe
>
>
double-slime-crimes sorry like Nas' double-time-rhymes.

  

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65. "Jay-Z: Dope wife. Dope sports agent. C-minus level rapper since 2007. "
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And even before then he was a feast or famine rapper

Meanwhile the worse thing you can say about Nas' last
album was "Kendrick Lamar's album was better"

Pretty much tells you all that needs to be told about
their careers

The Lesson shits on Nas by comparing him to the youngest
hottest rapper in the game

Jay is nowhere in those conversations, at all, y'all just
talk about this mythical "flow" which hasn't even been good
in almost a decade


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69. "Whenever OE loses he pulls shit like that"
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I think we all knew the loneliness would eventually cause brain deterioration.

  

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75. "He already conceded Nas had better flow, cupcake"
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Now we just need you to concede that I'm sexy

  

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84. "please stop lying on me, O_Dawg, it's unseemly n/m"
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86. "Nah, I deaded this whole debate, y'all just don't know what "flow" is. "
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I recognize that y'all wisdom of this here rap game is
limited compared to mine, so I'll let you slide

Don't let it happen again, come prepared next time

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92. "you deaded it with that flow of bullshit u typed, 'that about it'(c)"
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96. "Nah, I'm right, correct, spot on, all that. "
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Just concede and we good

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103. "O_Dawg, saying Zeta-Jones deserved a Best Actress Oscar for Broken City"
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was more reasonable than this nonsense you keep railing about in here.

You my boy & all but you're out to fucking brunch with that bullshit.

I don't even mind you fabricating quotes on other topics to divert from this dumbness either, that's part of the game.

But please don't ever try to question my rap stripes again anyway, I consider that a personal affront that I don't tolerate from peers that should know better.

Jay-Z/Nas ain't no 'in depth music discussion' in 2013.

If you really wanna go in depth, understand I'm a vet & you can bet, Bambino can dance underwater & not get wet.

  

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104. "o you wanna battle? "
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>If you really wanna go in depth, understand I'm a vet & you
>can bet, Bambino can dance underwater & not get wet.

You wanna battle?

Hold up while I find the flash drive with that Marley
Marl instrumental mixtape

Its about to be ON up in here

You about to get your chest pushed in,
when the best goes in..

o you don't already got me started

Peep the worldplay and FLOW


on the real chill with the sensitive shit


Jay-Z flow is boring and ineffective, its precisely how
he been mailing it in for FOUR ALBUMS IN A ROW

No sense of urgency on the beats he be on, which aren't
bad musically, which is proof his flow is awful

He routinely flounders on GOOD BEATS

The MCHG beats are good...beat for beat that album
is probably as good as Life is Good

Problem is Jay-Z flow is sad and his content is outright
unlistenable

Nas, on the other hand, got that Vermont Maple Syrup flow,
that young pussy juice flow, content is A-grade


But back to battling (not gonna let you off that easy)

I'll come to LA and battle you

I sure will

I've done it before, just off GP

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106. "doggie you got free room & board by the beach anytime u wan come test"
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>I'll come to LA and battle you
>
>I sure will
>
>I've done it before, just off GP
>
please believe.

  

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107. "I'm like, one two, one two..."
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"No joke my swagger will make u wish it was a joking matter"

^^Awww shit just a sample

I might be the best rapper in the Lesson

I just don't break out the snakeskin gators like that

I keep in the box, barely wear em

just feels good to know that I can afford some shit like
that, god

I just look at the BOX and smile




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80. "OE, I thought you had a better grasp of hip hop then this :("
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I really couldn't give a fuck who's better then who. Please kill me know if this argument ever surfaces again.

But

When bombs talking about Jay having a better flow then nas he's 100% correct. Flow, as in the ability to adapt to beat, change your rhythm and rhyming pattern.

Nas' flow is great, no one is denying that, but you have to admit - he only has a limited style. What he does is great but Jay is faaaar more versatile, and has a faaaar greater range of flows and ability to change flow, making him superior in this area.

Anyway, I'll let you completely ignore/disregard this reply and get back to flirting with mr show

http://www.gridde.com/

  

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83. "Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about "flow." "
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Flow has ONE, operational definition:

How well a rapper makes a range of beats sound like they
were made specifically for them. That is flow. Everything
else is irrelevant or y'all just making shit up.

And Jay isn't successful at that more than Nas is. Like,
no one ever is more successful at that than Nas is.

Nas brags over sugary beats with G.Rap (Fast Life) and
AZ (multiple songs). His style wraps itself around the
beat.

Nas tough talks on 'Eye for an Eye' with Mobb Deep.
Enough said, there.

Nas did it just recently on the J.Cole beat.

Nas did it on 'We Major'

There is NO rapper, EVER, who masterfully kills a RANGE
of beats and styles. Like, ever. Its because of flow --
he adapts his style, rhythm to the style of the beat.

Jay mumbled his way through 'Renegade'. Jay mumbles his
way through lots of beats. This is why his last few albums
have been garbage: the lyrics themselves aren't bad (Jay is
a great lyricist). He's missing that element that crafts his
style and persona to the beats themselves.

If Nas gets MCHG beats that is a 4.5 mic album.

If Jay gets 'Life is Good' beats its a total shitfest with
Jay randomly bragging about being a sports agent and beyonce
and mumbling around those beats.

Nas makes beats BETTER because of his flow.

This is specifically why Nas' guest appearances are better
than Jay's, and is why Nas doesn't get outshined the way
Jay does (like, all the time). Nas gets on his beat, and finds
a way to wrap his style around it in a way that Jay cannot.

That is flow.

Nas in 'We Major' >>> ANY Jay verse with Kanye, and Nas pretty
much wrote that verse in five minutes.

That is flow.


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87. "Aceyalone's flow >> Nas' flow"
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http://www.gridde.com/

  

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88. "bwhahahahahhahhahahahahahahahah"
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Tony Hanes
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94. "RE: Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about "flow." "
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Yep, I always thought Nas had the best flow only second to Biggie and Rakim but that is just me..

  

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murph71
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95. "RE: Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about &quot;flow.&q..."
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Actually....while I agree Nas is a better MC than Jay, one of the things Jay has over Nas is flow...

Meaning that Jay has the ability to flip it on a "Big Pimpin" and STILL do more straight ahead "New York" shit like that u hear on American Gangster....

Nas is OK when it comes to rhyming on a bounce-style track or a Trap track....

But Jay KILLS those songs...He's more quick-tongued than Nas...That enables him to knock out more stylistic flows....

That said, Nas is purely the better MC...Lyrically, content wise, ect...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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102. "thank you for excersising some journalistic integrity here, murph"
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I mean this is just basic shit, I wouldn't waste my time debating any other facet of emceeing by comparison but *flow*?

No.

That's the one thing that anyone being halfway reasonable needs to concede.

  

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108. "RE: Respect your post but you're spectacularly wrong about &quot;flow.&q..."
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I think flow is two things. For one its riding a beat and two different ways of riding various beats. Jay-Z can ride a variety of beasts b/c he use to rap fast. I just think Nas flow is more vicious overall. Jigga has more versatility and Nas has a more ill flow....if that makes sense...

  

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110. "This is my point exactly attempting a variety"
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which are noticeably is different from being able to ride a beat near flawlessly.

BIG had one flow mainly and guess what it was damn near flawless (in my opinion) to rhyme so slow and simple yet still kill it is a feat to me see Long kiss goodnight.

And flows change all the time the beat dictates the flow more so thank anything.

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111. "RE: This is my point exactly attempting a variety"
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Good point..

  

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61. "Flow is how you ride a beat not exclusively changing"
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To double time.

Thats what many dont get.

And Jaz O killed him on that song.

Look at renegades Fail

Look at is that your chick fail.He simply slowed it down and did some fast double time rap and yall got happy. Last time he really came off flow wise to me is American Gangsta track wit just blaze

Brooklyns finest Fail.

Im a jay listener since 96 so it aint about my guy. Jigga flow always been overrated.

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63. "Yup...I thought people were joking. Jay gets out-flowed ALL THE TIME. "
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>To double time.
>
>Thats what many dont get.
>
>And Jaz O killed him on that song.
>
>Look at renegades Fail
>
>Look at is that your chick fail.He simply slowed it down and
>did some fast double time rap and yall got happy. Last time he
>really came off flow wise to me is American Gangsta track wit
>just blaze

YES!

Jay-s FLOW was excellent on that whole album really

>Brooklyns finest Fail.
>
>Im a jay listener since 96 so it aint about my guy. Jigga flow
>always been overrated.

Jay is a dope lyricist.

He's just not as good at Nas. Not in lyrics. Not in flow. Not
in cadence.




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53. "he been better, however his commerical prime and peak is long gone"
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Nas would trade half of his spit and Pen game to reach Jay's cross over level.

i can name a whole lot of MC's who are better than Jigga, however they ain't seeing his chart game and cats at the end of the day want to eat. and Jay got a blueprint for it.

Nas ain't stopped trying however he knows he can't never reach that level and that alone eats at him more than anything else. he blows Jay Z off a Microphone in his sleep, however the buying and listening public at large thinks Nas last was a threat with "Ether" and Jigga just kept on putting out stuff and doing the commerical thing.

Nas tried, boy did he try to get that ultimate moment.

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67. "how the fuck you know what nas would do? thats right...you dont"
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72. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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101. "RE: he been better, however his commerical prime and peak is long gone"
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You do have some points. In Nas mind you know that he thinks that he is better than Jay-Z. The fact that the rap fans outside of sites like this a lot of times think Jigga is better probably makes Nas hate that a little. Jigga edge is commercial tracks. He did master that and I can't hate. Nas to me of course is the better MC.

  

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78. "What...."
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are people arguing?

At this point there is no real debate....

It is quite OK to think that Jay Z is very influential within hip-hop culture, has made some stellar albums, and (more importantly) has shown that hip-hop can age gracefully (his ability to still be a top shelf touring act into his 40's has been HUGE in the big scheme of things)...His commercial and business success has been more than impressive...Jay seems ahead of the game....

But...

Has Jay ever been a better MC than Nas...Or is he a better MC than Nas today...?

No...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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82. "I guess these two will forever be tied at the hip like Ali-Frazier"
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Can't talk about one without talking about the other, which only serves to detract from either mans accomplishments.

And a discussion on Nas vs Common while probably a more apt comparison, would hardly be as passionate.

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85. "Ali-Frazier were closer in talent than Jay and Nas. "
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Nas is actually much, much, much, much better.

And Jay-Z is one of the all-time greats.


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90. "Hmm, trying to come up with a better boxing analogy"
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The trick is to find two fighters of the same era...


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91. "Hagler and Hearns, to some degree"
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Hearns is an all-time great, had a longer career than Hagler

Fought in more weight divisions

Has more signature fights and victories

Hagler was the better fighter, though

  

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93. "Can Hearns outrap J Cole though?"
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105. "Probably not, Hearns' right hand was among the best ever though. "
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109. "Pudding, you know so much about sports!"
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Tommy Hearns was a great boxer...such insight.

  

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89. "Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?"
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97. "RE: Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?"
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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98. "RE: Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?"
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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99. "RE: Where's the Dead Horse alias when you need it?"
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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100. "WILD HORSE POWER!!"
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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