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"So Jay-Z dissed Harry Belafonte in a rap song... *disgust*"


          

"i'm just trying to find common ground
before Mr. Belafonte come and chop a nigga down
Mr. Day O,major fail
respect these youngins boy, it's my time now
Hublot homie, two-door homie
you don't know all the shit I do for the homies" -- Jay-Z


I'm convinced this buffoon doesn't know who Harry Belafonte is.
He calls him "boy" and even references the Banana Boat Song as if it should be embarrassing. Then you mention your riches and the things you've done for your "homies". Perhaps Jay-Z means homies in a broader sense. Still, he's an fucking idiot for this.

Not only is Belafonte the first artist to ever go platium (album sales), but he also helped JFK get elected, influenced JFK to get MLK off a chain-gang in jail, and fundraised many of MLK's latter missions... not to mention the "We Are The World" mission which brought food/medicine/shelter to thousands of starving Ethiopians, the Mandela/Apartheid mission, and his own civil rights movement in the realm of theatre.

If you get checked by a guy like Belafonte on social responsibility, you gotta just eat that... or call him up and discuss.

Is this some twisted way of bringing attention to Belafonte or is this nigga that stupid?

A public apology is warranted, until then...

"Fuck Jay-Z" - 2pac

  

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i don't need to hear celebrities talk about their charity
Aug 01st 2013
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With you 100%. Fuck Jay Z forever and day. Will never support a
Aug 01st 2013
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Jay-Z is an arrogant dick.
Aug 01st 2013
3
Aug 01st 2013
4
The diss was definitely a bad look
Aug 01st 2013
5
definitely how i feel
Aug 01st 2013
6
Belafonte was asked how things were different from a social activist
Aug 01st 2013
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      I'm glad he said he was open to the one-on-one
Aug 01st 2013
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I liked dream hampton's comments yesterday.
Aug 01st 2013
7
This Jay apologist's comments ain't worth shit unless she's NOT
Aug 01st 2013
9
lol did you listen to the interview?
Aug 01st 2013
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      she too makes the mistake of talking about Jay's charity
Aug 01st 2013
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      RE: she too makes the mistake of talking about Jay's charity
Aug 01st 2013
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      I don't think she equates them to being the same thing
Aug 01st 2013
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           then she's still missing the point.
Aug 01st 2013
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                Not saying that you're wrong...
Aug 01st 2013
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      RE: lol did you listen to the interview?
Aug 01st 2013
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      Wouldn't give her a click concerning Shawn Carter to save my own life,
Aug 01st 2013
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Aug 01st 2013
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My Thoughts On The Matter (SWIPE--VIBE)
Aug 01st 2013
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good piece
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: good piece
Aug 01st 2013
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Well said sir
Aug 01st 2013
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Thanks....
Aug 01st 2013
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i saw that murph, as well as the Pro Jay-Z side...
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: i saw that murph, as well as the Pro Jay-Z side...
Aug 01st 2013
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RIGHT!!!! that's making me more irritated the more i see it.
Aug 01st 2013
Excellent
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: Excellent
Aug 02nd 2013
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heehee
Aug 02nd 2013
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RE: heehee
Aug 02nd 2013
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props on that murph
Aug 02nd 2013
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      RE: props on that murph
Aug 02nd 2013
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that's exactly what i said.
Aug 01st 2013
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2 words...Hawaiian Sofie
Aug 01st 2013
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Am I the only one that is not mad at Jay for this at all?
Aug 01st 2013
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you tell your moms to shut up don't you?
Aug 01st 2013
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I don't respect elders...I respect elders who respect me.
Aug 02nd 2013
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Jay ain't shit compared to Belafonte. NOT SHIT.
Aug 01st 2013
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no, there are other misguided ppl who aren't 'mad' either.
Aug 01st 2013
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I'm not mad either
Aug 01st 2013
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I don't agree to the "my presence is charity" part but...
Aug 01st 2013
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Harry did not say Bruce is blacker... can you niggas read?
Aug 01st 2013
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He had "the right," but he shouldn't have done it.
Aug 01st 2013
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Agree 100%
Aug 01st 2013
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      And also...
Aug 01st 2013
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Nas....lost?
Aug 01st 2013
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Harry's record on civil/human rights is extensive and well documented.
Aug 01st 2013
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he wore a Che G. t-shirt on MTV that one time.
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: So Jay-Z dissed Harry Belafonte in a rap song... *disgust*
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: So Jay-Z dissed Harry Belafonte in a rap song... *disgust*
Aug 01st 2013
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^^ Ty Ty
Aug 01st 2013
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      LOL word yo
Aug 01st 2013
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Other than Mos Def, I don't know any rappers that are activists
Aug 01st 2013
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A starter list:
Aug 01st 2013
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that's besides the point, i dont have an issue with them disagreeing
Aug 01st 2013
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yeah, this part:
Aug 01st 2013
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which one of them dumb niccas in the studio would call Jay on it?
Aug 01st 2013
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i would expect Rick Rubin (if he heard it) to be like WHAT???
Aug 01st 2013
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right. everybody bows down to Big Homie.
Aug 01st 2013
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you see the problem is
Aug 02nd 2013
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RE: Other than Mos Def, I don't know any rappers that are activists
Aug 01st 2013
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      I hate to say this, I really do...
Aug 01st 2013
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Took 10+ years for niggas to realize Jay-Z doesn't give a fuck about em
Aug 01st 2013
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LOL
Aug 01st 2013
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Hahaha Stans don't care they gonna live vicariously
Aug 02nd 2013
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alll of this comes down respect of one's elders
Aug 01st 2013
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Why?
Aug 01st 2013
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No but it should be done more respectfully and tactfully.
Aug 01st 2013
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I guess this is a philosophical difference.
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: I guess this is a philosophical difference.
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      Why's that?
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exactly. It's pretty simple
Aug 01st 2013
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i did not say that
Aug 01st 2013
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      Except:
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           ok
Aug 01st 2013
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                They both can.
Aug 01st 2013
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                     we aren't disagreeing.
Aug 01st 2013
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                          Yep.
Aug 01st 2013
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he responded to a direct question in terms of what...
Aug 01st 2013
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also
Aug 01st 2013
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      my nigga you havent even read the quotes in question, STFU
Aug 01st 2013
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his point wasn't about Jay though.
Aug 01st 2013
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i hear you, but
Aug 01st 2013
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      he did say that, but
Aug 01st 2013
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           okay i don't think we necessarily disagree
Aug 01st 2013
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           not crazy but Jay's response was tactless.
Aug 01st 2013
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                RE: not crazy but Jay's response was tactless.
Aug 01st 2013
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           the question was asked in a racial context and he pointed out a white gu...
Aug 01st 2013
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                word.
Aug 01st 2013
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                but that still is a weird thing to do, Jim Brown had the same rap
Aug 01st 2013
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This.
Aug 01st 2013
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      keep living.
Aug 01st 2013
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      Oh I feel you. It's not like I regularly check old people, lol
Aug 01st 2013
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      LOL. Y'all act like Harry was talking crazy
Aug 02nd 2013
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Jay was dead wrong for the disrespect but he has come to a point
Aug 01st 2013
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Kinda off-topic, but I still think he said "Boyce" and not "boy"
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: Kinda off-topic, but I still think he said "Boyce" and not "boy"
Aug 01st 2013
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Fuck this dude......seriously.
Aug 01st 2013
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why is anyone suprised?
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: So Jay-Z dissed Harry Belafonte in a rap song... *disgust*
Aug 01st 2013
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I don't see the problem
Aug 01st 2013
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lol
Aug 01st 2013
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LOL
Aug 01st 2013
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No backbone posting under an alias fam
Aug 01st 2013
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RE: No backbone posting under an alias fam
Aug 01st 2013
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      ^^OKPbi Wan Kenobi
Aug 01st 2013
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           LMAO!
Aug 02nd 2013
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Worst post ever.
Aug 01st 2013
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Why is it?
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^^^ J. Cole
Aug 02nd 2013
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lol
Aug 02nd 2013
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if this isn't an alias
Aug 02nd 2013
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      RE: if this isn't an alias
Aug 02nd 2013
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           if not for the advances made during the BCRM,
Aug 02nd 2013
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                and lets end it there
Aug 02nd 2013
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                     you know?
Aug 02nd 2013
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i can't stand no Lay Z because he is one of the most overrated
Aug 01st 2013
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do tell
Aug 02nd 2013
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      RE: do tell
Aug 04th 2013
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           RE: do tell
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                RE: do tell
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                     everything you just typed is bullshit
Aug 05th 2013
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yeah......not cool...
Aug 01st 2013
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All of this is very true, except this part:
Aug 02nd 2013
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      "give me Bruce, I think he's black" != "Bruce is blacker"
Aug 02nd 2013
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           Well, what you just said isn't an exact quote either.
Aug 02nd 2013
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                he wasnt digging into Jay/Bey he was biggin up Bruce
Aug 04th 2013
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le sigh
Aug 02nd 2013
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just curious...how many ppl knew about Belafontes comments before
Aug 04th 2013
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alot of people knew about it ..it's just been a while but it was
Aug 04th 2013
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Nah, Jay is a good rapper, important figure. But he's an imbecile
Aug 04th 2013
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      ^This is where I'm at with it...
Aug 04th 2013
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      ^^^^^
Aug 04th 2013
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REVELATION! HOV REALLY WAS JUSTIFIED FOR WAT HE SAID
Aug 04th 2013
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rl9
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1. "i don't need to hear celebrities talk about their charity "
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Thu Aug-01-13 06:44 AM by rl9

  

          

or be some kind of spokespersons for their community if all they ever were is first and foremost "mainstream money chasers".
but if the overall majority of their output is about hearing how much money they can burn + offering you products on which you can burn your money you should just STFU about hooking up the homies.

>>respect these youngins boy, it's my time now

yes, sadly it is.
funny that he has to remind people of his expensive watch when someone checks him for not checking what time it really is.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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2. "With you 100%. Fuck Jay Z forever and day. Will never support a "
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Thu Aug-01-13 06:55 AM by Ashley Ayers

  

          

gotdamn thing he's involved in unless he makes this shit right with an apology,
and it better be in a song, trying to be clever and shit just like this little stupid
ass diss.
You do NOT say that bullshit about somebody who risked life and limb for US
as a people.

Talking about his "presence is charity". BOY if it wasn't for Harry Belafonte and people
like him you wouldn't have a presence to speak of. Read up on Harry and all
he did for black entertainers, black people in general, etc before you open your
funny looking mouth to speak ill about him. This piece of shit Jay is utterly disgusting.
Not only is his album some of the laziest garbage on ever to have a marketing
dollar behind it, but he's dissing Harry fucking Belafonte on it? Nigga please
sitcho used-to-be-able-to-rap ass the fuck down and ask yourself why this
man (WHO PAVED THE WAY FOR YOU) would include your name in that critique.

from wikipedia:

Political and humanitarian activism

"Belafonte's success did not protect him from racial discrimination, particularly in the American South. He refused to perform there from 1954 until 1961. In 1960 he appeared in a campaign commercial for Democratic Presidential candidate John F. Kennedy. Kennedy later named Belafonte cultural advisor to the Peace Corps.
Belafonte gave the keynote address at the ACLU of Northern California's annual Bill of Rights Day Celebration In December 2007 and was awarded the Chief Justice Earl Warren Civil Liberties Award. The 2011 Sundance Film Festival featured the documentary film Sing Your Song, a biographical film focusing on Belafonte's contribution to and his leadership in the civil rights movement in America and his endeavours to promote social justice globally. In 2011 Belafonte also presented his memoir My Song.
Civil-rights activist
Belafonte supported the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s and was one of Martin Luther King Jr.'s confidants. He provided for King's family, since King made only $8,000 a year as a preacher. Like many other civil rights activists, Belafonte was blacklisted during the McCarthy era. He bailed King out of Birmingham City Jail and raised thousands of dollars to release other civil rights protesters. He financed the Freedom Rides, supported voter registration drives, and helped to organize the March on Washington in 1963.


Belafonte (center) at the 1963 Civil Rights March on Washington, D.C with Sidney Poitier (left) and Charlton Heston.
During "Freedom Summer" in 1964 Belafonte bankrolled the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, flying to Mississippi that August with Sidney Poitier and $60,000 in cash and entertaining crowds in Greenwood. In 1968 Belafonte appeared on a Petula Clark primetime television special on NBC. In the middle of a song, Clark smiled and briefly touched Belafonte's arm, which made the show's sponsor, Plymouth Motors, nervous. Plymouth wanted to cut the segment, but Clark, who had ownership of the special, told NBC that the performance would be shown intact or she would not allow the special to be aired at all. Newspapers reported the controversy, and when the special aired, it attracted high ratings.
Belafonte appeared on The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour and performed a controversial "Mardi Gras" number intercut with footage from the 1968 Democratic National Convention riots. CBS censors deleted the segment.
Humanitarian activist
In 1985, he helped organize the Grammy Award-winning song "We Are the World", a multi-artist effort to raise funds for Africa. He performed in the Live Aid concert that same year. In 1987 he received an appointment to UNICEF as a goodwill ambassador. Following his appointment Belafonte traveled to Dakar, Senegal, where he served as chairman of the International Symposium of Artists and Intellectuals for African Children. He also helped to raise funds—alongside more than 20 other artists—in the largest concert ever held in sub-Saharan Africa. In 1994 he went on a mission to Rwanda and launched a media campaign to raise awareness of the needs of Rwandan children.
In 2001 he went to South Africa to support the campaign against HIV/AIDS. In 2002 Africare awarded him the Bishop John T. Walker Distinguished Humanitarian Service Award for his efforts to assist Africa. In 2004 Belafonte went to Kenya to stress the importance of educating children in the region.
Belafonte has been involved in prostate cancer advocacy since 1996, when he was diagnosed and successfully treated for the disease. On June 27, 2006, Belafonte was the recipient of the BET Humanitarian Award at the 2006 BET Awards. He was named one of nine 2006 Impact Award recipients by AARP The Magazine. On October 19, 2007, Belafonte represented UNICEF on Norwegian television to support the annual telethon (TV Aksjonen) in support of that charity and helped raise a world record of $10 per inhabitant of Norway. Belafonte was also an ambassador for the Bahamas. He is on the board of directors of the Advancement Project.
Political activist
Belafonte has been a longtime critic of U.S. foreign policy. He began making controversial political statements on this subject in the early 1980s. He has at various times made statements opposing the U.S. embargo on Cuba; praising Soviet peace initiatives; attacking the U.S. invasion of Grenada; praising the Abraham Lincoln Brigade; honoring Ethel and Julius Rosenberg and praising Fidel Castro. Belafonte is additionally known for his visit to Cuba which helped ensure hip-hop’s place in Cuban society. According to Geoffrey Baker’s article “Hip hop, Revolucion! Nationalizing Rap in Cuba”, in 1999 Belafonte met with representatives of the rap community immediately before meeting with Fidel Castro. This meeting resulted in Castro’s personal approval of, and hence the government’s involvement in, the incorporation of rap into his country’s culture. In a 2003 interview Belafonte reflected upon this meeting’s influence:


Belafonte speaking at the 1963 Civil Rights March on Washington, D.C
“When I went back to Havana a couple years later, the people in the hip-hop community came to see me and we hung out for a bit. They thanked me profusely and I said, 'Why?' and they said, 'Because your little conversation with Fidel and the Minister of Culture on hip-hop led to there being a special division within the ministry and we've got our own studio'."
Belafonte was active in the anti-apartheid movement. He was the Master of Ceremonies at a reception honoring African National Congress President Oliver Tambo at Roosevelt House, Hunter College, in New York City. The reception was held by the American Committee on Africa (ACOA) and The Africa Fund. He is a current board member of the TransAfrica Forum and the Institute for Policy Studies.
In 2004 he was awarded the Domestic Human Rights Award by Global Exchange, in San Francisco.
On December 9, 2012, in an interview with Al Sharpton on MSNBC, Belafonte expressed dismay that many political leaders in the United States continue to oppose the policies of President Obama even after his re-election: "The only thing left for Barack Obama to do is to work like a third-world dictator and just put all of these guys in jail. You’re violating the American desire."
Opposition to the George W. Bush administration
Belafonte achieved widespread attention for his political views in 2002 when he began making a series of comments about President George W. Bush, his administration and the Iraq War. During an interview with Ted Leitner for San Diego's 760 KFMB, in October 2002, Belafonte referred to a quote made by Malcolm X. Belafonte said:
“ There is an old saying, in the days of slavery. There were those slaves who lived on the plantation, and there were those slaves who lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master, do exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. That gave you privilege. Colin Powell is committed to come into the house of the master, as long as he would serve the master, according to the master's purpose. And when Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture. And you don't hear much from those who live in the pasture. ”
Belafonte used the quote to characterize former United States Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, both African Americans. Powell and Rice both responded, with Powell calling the remarks "unfortunate" and Rice saying: "I don't need Harry Belafonte to tell me what it means to be black."


Harry Belafonte at the 61st Berlin International Film Festival in February 2011
The comment was brought up again in an interview with Amy Goodman for Democracy Now! in 2006. In January 2006, Belafonte led a delegation of activists including actor Danny Glover and activist/professor Cornel West to meet with President of Venezuela Hugo Chávez. In 2005 Chávez, an outspoken Bush critic, initiated a program to provide cheaper heating oil for poor people in several areas of the United States. Belafonte supported this initiative. He was quoted as saying, during the meeting with Chávez, "No matter what the greatest tyrant in the world, the greatest terrorist in the world, George W. Bush says, we're here to tell you: Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of the American people support your revolution." Belafonte and Glover met again with Chávez in 2006. The comment ignited a great deal of controversy. Hillary Clinton refused to acknowledge Belafonte's presence at an awards ceremony that featured both of them. AARP, which had just named him one of its 10 Impact Award honorees 2006, released this statement following the remarks: "AARP does not condone the manner and tone which he has chosen and finds his comments completely unacceptable." During a Martin Luther King, Jr. Day speech at Duke University in 2006 Belafonte compared the American government to the hijackers of the September 11 attacks, saying, "What is the difference between that terrorist and other terrorists?" In response to criticism about his remarks Belafonte asked, "What do you call Bush when the war he put us in to date has killed almost as many Americans as died on 9/11 and the number of Americans wounded in war is almost triple? By most definitions Bush can be considered a terrorist." When he was asked about his expectation of criticism for his remarks on the war in Iraq, Belafonte responded: "Bring it on. Dissent is central to any democracy."
In another interview Belafonte remarked that while his comments may have been "hasty", nevertheless he felt the Bush administration suffered from "arrogance wedded to ignorance" and its policies around the world were "morally bankrupt." In January 2006, in a speech to the annual meeting of the Arts Presenters Members Conference, Belafonte referred to "the new Gestapo of Homeland Security" saying, "You can be arrested and have no right to counsel!" During the Martin Luther King, Jr. Day speech at Duke University in January 2006 Belafonte said that if he could choose his epitaph it would be, "Harry Belafonte, Patriot."
On 1 Feb 2013 Belafonte received the NAACP's Spingarn Medal, and in the televised ceremony, he counted Constance L. Rice among those previous recipients of the award whom he regarded highly for speaking up "to remedy the ills of the nation."

  

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gritty
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3. "Jay-Z is an arrogant dick."
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4. ""
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Thu Aug-01-13 07:57 AM by Nick Has a Problem..

  

          

that's all we need to know about Jay. The fact that this nigga would say
some shit like that lets me know what he's truly about.

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5. "The diss was definitely a bad look"
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Dissing legitimate civil rights leaders in your field is a major fail. Belafonte paved the way for Jay.

That said, I don't know why Jay should be expected to call him and discuss, but Belafonte isn't expected to call Jay. Both of their comments should have happened behind closed doors.

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6. "definitely how i feel"
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jay's looking bad with his comments, but mr. belafonte should have kept it behind the scenes as well, regardless of who he is and his real importance.

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Ashley Ayers
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8. "Belafonte was asked how things were different from a social activist"
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Thu Aug-01-13 08:27 AM by Ashley Ayers

  

          

point now compared to the past and to give examples who prove his POV.
This was at a press conference.

He explained this in an interview and also said he's completely open to having
a one-on-one with the Jay (& Beyonce), as the public forum is not the place to
be having these exchanges.

  

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10. "I'm glad he said he was open to the one-on-one"
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IMO, that was the best thing to come out of that interview (that, and giving spotlight to Dream Defenders).

That said, if I'm not mistaken, those were the only names he stated. He mentioned that other people stepped up, but would they have done so if they were called out by name too? People respond negatively when they're called out.

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7. "I liked dream hampton's comments yesterday."
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http://blackamericaweb.com/152045/jay-z-is-the-sidney-poitier-of-this-time-dream-hampton/

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Ashley Ayers
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9. "This Jay apologist's comments ain't worth shit unless she's NOT"
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slurping from his toilet, yet again.

  

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12. "lol did you listen to the interview?"
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She basically was saying that different people have different roles in movements, and that not everyone is on the front line. She said that some people, like Sidney Poitier and Jay Z, are check writers, who are important parts to every movement. She mentioned that Jay has sent more than 250 kids with grades under 3.0 through college, that he has been paying for the education for Sean Bell's kid(s), that Jay sent $1 million to Hurricane Katrina victims, etc.

She said that there's a myth that everyone from back then was on the front lines, and that that just isn't true. And that considering how Jay articulated himself in the interview, that he probably shouldn't be talking about political things. That his role might be best as a "check writer:" giving money quietly, which has always been an important part of all movement work.

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17. "she too makes the mistake of talking about Jay's charity"
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when Belafonte addressed Jay's lack of ACTIVISM in the public sphere. they are not at all the same thing.

fuck you.

  

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19. "RE: she too makes the mistake of talking about Jay's charity"
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>when Belafonte addressed Jay's lack of ACTIVISM in the public
>sphere. they are not at all the same thing.



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51. "I don't think she equates them to being the same thing"
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But different roles for the same cause. Money is necessary, just like faces in the public are necessary. Definitely different roles: one has higher stakes than the other, no doubt about that. Sidney Poitier's are lower than Belafonte's, no doubt. But both are different, necessary tools.

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53. "then she's still missing the point."
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Belafonte's comment wasn't so much about Jay and Yonce as it was about Black celebs generally. J & B were used as examples.

his point was there aren't as many Black celebs out there working on activist causes in the public sphere as there were in HB's heyday. he used J & B b/c they're some of the biggest Black celebs out there and as far as he knew they're not public activists.

i think he'd say that today TOO MANY celebs are 'mere' check-writers. there aren't enough of them out on the front lines putting a public face on the work.

fuck you.

  

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74. "Not saying that you're wrong..."
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>Belafonte's comment wasn't so much about Jay and Yonce as it
>was about Black celebs generally. J & B were used as
>examples.
>
>his point was there aren't as many Black celebs out there
>working on activist causes in the public sphere as there were
>in HB's heyday. he used J & B b/c they're some of the biggest
>Black celebs out there and as far as he knew they're not
>public activists.

But Jay and Beyonce were the only examples that he brought up. So even if it's about black celebs generally, this whole idea that Jay and Beyonce shouldn't have taken it personally doesn't make sense to me.


>i think he'd say that today TOO MANY celebs are 'mere'
>check-writers. there aren't enough of them out on the front
>lines putting a public face on the work.

This would be a stronger point, and one that I could rock with. But as dream said, do we *really* want Jay-Z being the voice of public issues? But I can see this being a better general point, though. The way Belafonte originally framed it, he made it seem like the desire to help wasn't there.

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18. "RE: lol did you listen to the interview?"
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>She basically was saying that different people have different
>roles in movements, and that not everyone is on the front
>line. She said that some people, like Sidney Poitier and Jay
>Z, are check writers, who are important parts to every
>movement. She mentioned that Jay has sent more than 250 kids
>with grades under 3.0 through college, that he has been paying
>for the education for Sean Bell's kid(s), that Jay sent $1
>million to Hurricane Katrina victims, etc.
>
>She said that there's a myth that everyone from back then was
>on the front lines, and that that just isn't true. And that
>considering how Jay articulated himself in the interview, that
>he probably shouldn't be talking about political things. That
>his role might be best as a "check writer:" giving money
>quietly, which has always been an important part of all
>movement work.

Man...cut it out....lol

People, beyond hardcore, ride-or-die, (Always-Be-My)-Sunshine-was-actually-a-great-song Jay fans, are not trying to hear any of this because it's hard to find any semblance of understanding with anyone that says "my patience is charity"...

It poisons the well....I don't believe he should be viewed as a pariah...But this "check writer" business? It's pretty myopic...lazy even...

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22. "Wouldn't give her a click concerning Shawn Carter to save my own life,"
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but thanks for the summary.

All that is cool, but as stated elsewhere in this post, Jay supposed to take that
one. All that presence that he's considering charity is a direct result of Mr. Belafonte's
work and activism. However many checks he's writing isn't changing that.

  

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15. ""
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powerful statement and Jay def need not speak on politics.

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11. "My Thoughts On The Matter (SWIPE--VIBE)"
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I have little patience for vets that side with Jay in this "debate"...I have dug Jay's work over the years....But homie is way out of pocket....

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Cross-Examination: Dissecting Two Sides Of The Jay Z And Harry Belafonte Debate


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Pro Harry Belafonte

“I’m offended by that because first of all, and this is going to sound arrogant, but my presence is charity. Just who I am. Just like Obama’s is. Obama provides hope. Whether he does anything, the hope that he provides for a nation, and outside of America is enough. Just being who he is. You’re the first black president. If he speaks on any issue or anything he should be left alone…I felt Belafonte he just went about it wrong….”—Jay-Z, in an interview with Rap Radar’s Elliot Wilson


Sometimes we all need to have our egos put in-check. We need to be tapped on the shoulder and told, without any sense of irony or look-at-me grandstanding, that our slip is showing. And it’s our reaction to the truth that offers a rare glimpse at what actually makes us tick….what fuels our ambition and shapes our worldview. Judging from the quote above, Jay Z is not an individual that takes criticism—constructive or two-fisted—in the best of ways.

It was nearly a year ago when iconic entertainer and social activist Harry Belafonte called out Shawn Corey Carter and his beautiful, equally successful wife Beyoncé with these stinging words: “I think one of the great abuses of this modern time is that we should have had such high-profile artists, powerful celebrities. But they have turned their back on social responsibility… that goes for Jay-Z and Beyoncé, for example. Give me Bruce Springsteen, and now you’re talking. I really think he is black.”

This is what we call in the barbershop as real talk. So real in fact that Jay is still shaken up by the charge, adding of Belafonte’s Boss-by-way-of-New-Jersey-smackdown, “Like the way he did it in the media, and then he big’d up Bruce Springsteen or somebody. And it was like, ‘whoa,’ you just sent the wrong message all the way around…Bruce Springsteen is a great guy. You’re this Civil Rights activist and you just big’d up the white guy against me in the white media. And I’m not saying that in a racial way. I’m just saying what it is.”

Boom!

There’s so much to unpack from Jay Z’s overall response. We can start with his “my presence is charity” line… a comment so laughably absurd and filled with unmitigated hubris that it seems straight out of the hilarious fake news machine of The Daily Show. Then there’s Hov’s delusions of grandeur of being on the same playing field as the Leader of the Free World (Campaigning and receiving a ring from President Obama is cool and all; but you are not the one that has to take that 3 a.m. phone call unless it’s a teary-eyed Damon Dash). And the whole black-man-showing-out-for-the-white-media-by-giving-props-to-the-white-guy card does have legs. Unfortunately for Jay, Mr. Belafonte seems more concerned with sobering context than tap dancing for M-A-S-S-A.

For the 86-year-old singer, actor and civil rights champion—who helped desegregate television in the late 50’s; literally marched with Dr. Martin Luther King in the 60’s; served as an intermediary between President John F. Kennedy and MLK; developed the idea to create the American version of Band Aid called USA for Africa for famine relief for the people of Ethiopia; and fought to end Apartheid in South Africa—he has no stomach for bullshitting. So when Belafonte name-checked Springsteen he did so with the understanding that Bruce has long held the reputation for going beyond random acts of “charity”. This is the respect Mr. Born In The USA receives due to his involvement in various career-threatening causes including angering thousands of fans for speaking out against police brutality following the 1999 tragic shooting death of Amadou Diallo. Bruce is still connecting the dots today with Trayvon Martin.

Belafonte and Springsteen have put in the work beyond sound bites and wearing Che Guevara T-shirts. But to be fair, the obvious and even lazy route would be to simplistically chalk Jay Z’s reaction to Belafonte as a simple disconnection between one generation that actually got their hands dirty vs. another generation that has reaped the rewards of that past struggle and work. Of course, Jay will point to his political activism on behalf of Obama, who gladly used Mr. Carter’s “juice” to appeal to that game-changing youth vote. Jay will mention that he and his better half recently came out in support for the parents of Trayvon.

Indeed, this is no mere do-gooder pissing contest. This is about how we as individuals view respect and specifically what constitutes as success.

For Belafonte, respect comes from putting your career and life all on the line to fight what he believes to be the good fight. And that success is personified in black folks earning the right to vote and later gaining the power to control our own destiny no matter how F’d up America is today. For Jay, a child of the hip-hop age, respect comes from arguably being the G.O.A.T., an artist who continues to prove rap’s longevity by his over-40 triumphs of no. 1 albums to headlining sold-out concert tours that would induce props from Mick and Keith. And his success is personified with his now mythical story of the Brooklyn kid and former drug dealer that made it out of Marcy projects to become a highly trumpeted businessman worth nearly $500 million. For Jigga, financial power has a more profound impact than marching. His lucrative Samsung venture proves once again: he’s a business… man!

But while Jay Z can easily ignore the ramblings of FOX Sports columnist Jason Whitlock, who cluelessly dismissed the MC as “the Holy Grail of nigga rap” and thinks the evolved MC is no different than, say, Chief Keef, Belafonte is a more of a serious challenge. Even as some detractors dismiss the voice that made “The Banana Boat Song (Day O)” such an indelible part of pop culture as an angry old man yelling out from the lawn or as an off his rocker dinosaur, Harry Belafonte reminds us that celebrity does not equal activism.

Whether it’s Jay Z or us mere mortals, we all have to get called on the carpet once in a while.—Keith Murphy (@murphdogg29)

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13. "good piece"
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16. "RE: good piece"
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Thanks, homie....

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32. "Well said sir"
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well said. I wish we had this to discuss during that dinner.

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35. "Thanks...."
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41. "i saw that murph, as well as the Pro Jay-Z side..."
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and its all fair game till you reference a guy like Belafonte as "boy" on your new album. FOH


good unbiased read tho

  

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43. "RE: i saw that murph, as well as the Pro Jay-Z side..."
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>
>and its all fair game till you reference a guy like Belafonte
>as "boy" on your new album. FOH
>
>
>good unbiased read tho


Thanks homie....

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"RIGHT!!!! that's making me more irritated the more i see it."


  

          

>
>and its all fair game till you reference a guy like Belafonte
>as "boy" on your new album. FOH
>


"BOY"? we here now, Jay?

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81. "Excellent"
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107. "RE: Excellent"
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Thanks....

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101. "heehee"
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108. "RE: heehee"
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I try, Fire Fire....

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103. "props on that murph"
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i like that take man. good stuff. well put. peace

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109. "RE: props on that murph"
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Respect....

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14. "that's exactly what i said."
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>
>If you get checked by a guy like Belafonte on social
>responsibility, you gotta just eat that... or call him up and
>discuss.
>

how can you NOT just eat that, man? i would say i'm disappointed in Jay, but i shouldn't be. smh. go back to high school or something, that shit was just stupid.

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20. "2 words...Hawaiian Sofie"
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Camel needs to be checked

  

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21. "Am I the only one that is not mad at Jay for this at all?"
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I mean legend or not.
I don't gve a fuck who you are ...you come at me, I have the right to come back at you.

And as for the public forum in whch Jay came at Mr. Belafonte, it was similar to the public forum in which Mr. Beleafonte came at Jay.

To agree with or disagree with Jay's argument that his presence alone is charty is another subject for another day, but as far as Jay having the right to clap back at someone who clapped at him....YEP. I'M NOT MAD.

I don't give a fuck who you are you question my name and come at me, I have the right to question your name and come at you.

  

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23. "you tell your moms to shut up don't you?"
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105. "I don't respect elders...I respect elders who respect me."
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That being said; for you stupid question... EFF YOU!!

  

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24. "Jay ain't shit compared to Belafonte. NOT SHIT."
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>I mean legend or not.
>I don't gve a fuck who you are ...you come at me, I have the
>right to come back at you.


You already on that bullshit right there. Sometimes you need to give a fuck
WHO is saying it. This is one of those times. Foh dissing somebody who is
responsible for your "charitable presence." Need to take his wife's advice and
bow the fuck down.

>And as for the public forum in whch Jay came at Mr. Belafonte,
>it was similar to the public forum in which Mr. Beleafonte
>came at Jay.


Oh Belafonte made a song about Jay? Word? You got a link? Shit must be dope!

  

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25. "no, there are other misguided ppl who aren't 'mad' either."
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fuck you.

  

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27. "I'm not mad either"
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I would have reached out to him in private though but I don't care who you are and what you've done, don't come at me if you don't know me. ain't nobody fixing to tell me what they think I should be doing to satisfy them. I woulda let the comments slide but dude said that Bruce Springsteen was blacker. I couldn't and wouldn't let that slide



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40. "I don't agree to the "my presence is charity" part but..."
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...I do agree that you ain't gonna come at me foul and I don't get to say anything. Especially when you wanna throw in that shot about how a white singer is blacker. To hell with all that.



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52. "Harry did not say Bruce is blacker... can you niggas read?"
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lol

  

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71. "He had "the right," but he shouldn't have done it."
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I agree with you that Harry shouldn't have said it publicly like that and expected a positive reaction. I do think there's this bad issue (maybe mostly in the black community, I'm not sure) where elders can basically say whatever they want to younger people, and younger people are supposed to eat it based on what that elder has done in the past. I think respect is something that is required on both sides, not just by the younger person. Harry didn't have to use names.

But Jay responding negatively doesn't do any good. Two wrongs don't make a right; and I do think Jay's lyrics were more disrespectful than Harry's comments. Would've spoken volumes for Jay to respond like, "I respect Harry's collection of work, but I disagree with his comments. I believe in private giving. I wish he'd have told me this privately instead of publicly, but I'd be fine with meeting with him and discussing how we can join forces to make the world a better place."

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87. "Agree 100%"
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I don't care who it is. You question my character in a public forum, I have every right to defend myself in a public forum. People acting like because somebody has an amazing track record of charitable actions, it gives them a right to act like an asshole. Fuck that. You get what you give.

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89. "And also..."
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People act like Jay went in on Harry. Come on! Ain't like he questioned his past or told him to suck dick. He just said that him calling him out like that was a major fail and that he deserves respect. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

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26. "Nas....lost?"
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28. "Harry's record on civil/human rights is extensive and well documented."
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Can someone explain what Jay-Z has done in that arena?

  

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33. "he wore a Che G. t-shirt on MTV that one time."
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and he posed for pix w/the Trayvon Martin family.

lol

/sarcasm.

i get that the guy has done some charitable stuff behind the scenes and that's great. but Belafonte lamented the lack of social activism (he said 'responsibility') by current Black celebs and name-dropped Jay and Yonce as examples. to Belafonte's credit, i can't think of many examples of Jay being involved in activist causes in the public sphere.

fuck you.

  

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29. "RE: So Jay-Z dissed Harry Belafonte in a rap song... *disgust*"
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>"i'm just trying to find common ground
>before Mr. Belafonte come and chop a nigga down
>Mr. Day O,major fail
>respect these youngins boy, it's my time now
>Hublot homie, two-door homie
>you don't know all the shit I do for the homies" -- Jay-Z
>
>
>

sounds like you just dont like Jay Z.. you read out of context he wasnt dissing the banana boat song at all.. he called him Mr. Day-o because people are familiar with that song.

Jay and Bee reached out immediately to Belafonte and he was silent on all of that.. so now Jay adddressed it in a verse

You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

  

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30. "RE: So Jay-Z dissed Harry Belafonte in a rap song... *disgust*"
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>>"i'm just trying to find common ground
>>before Mr. Belafonte come and chop a nigga down
>>Mr. Day O,major fail
>>respect these youngins boy, it's my time now
>>Hublot homie, two-door homie
>>you don't know all the shit I do for the homies" -- Jay-Z
>>
>>
>>
>
>sounds like you just dont like Jay Z.. you read out of context
>he wasnt dissing the banana boat song at all.. he called him
>Mr. Day-o because people are familiar with that song.
>
>Jay and Bee reached out immediately to Belafonte and he was
>silent on all of that.. so now Jay adddressed it in a verse


lol

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31. "^^ Ty Ty"
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34. "LOL word yo"
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Of course that was s diss. You don't call an elder like that out of their name period.

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36. "Other than Mos Def, I don't know any rappers that are activists"
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37. "A starter list:"
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http://www.alternet.org/story/152690/8_activist_rappers_representing_occupy_wall_street_and_other_progressive_causes?page=0%2C0

I'd add Chuck D, KRS-One, Boots Riley, Zach de la Rocha...

  

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38. "that's besides the point, i dont have an issue with them disagreeing"
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I have an issue with the disrespect.

There is no scenario in which Jay-z would reference Nelson Mandela this way in song. He doesnt know "who" Harry Belafonte is, and therefore needs to apologize for talkin shit.

And its appalling that no one in Jay's organization nor any of the guys working on the album called him on these bars. I would have calmly said:

What are you slow or dumb? (which one?)

  

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42. "yeah, this part:"
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>And its appalling that no one in Jay's organization nor any of
>the guys working on the album called him on these bars.

fuck you.

  

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44. "which one of them dumb niccas in the studio would call Jay on it?"
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did they even catch the phrase?

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46. "i would expect Rick Rubin (if he heard it) to be like WHAT???"
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73. "right. everybody bows down to Big Homie."
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111. "you see the problem is"
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at this point in his career everyone is probably just a "yes-man"

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39. "RE: Other than Mos Def, I don't know any rappers that are activists"
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Dead Prez, Boots (the Coup), Chuck D.....

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75. "I hate to say this, I really do..."
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But it's also arguable that these artists you named being activists directly profits their music as well, because the same people who are passionate about the causes are going to be more likely to buy their music or concert tickets. I'm not saying that those artists' intentions aren't pure, but I'm saying that if they rap about those issues too, then they aren't risking their careers either. And one of the biggest things everyone keeps saying is that Harry laid his career on the line while Jay isn't.

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45. "Took 10+ years for niggas to realize Jay-Z doesn't give a fuck about em"
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Never too late, I guess.




BUT HE GOT MONEY THO just doesn't ring well in this discussion, eh? It's quiet for Jay stans.

  

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60. "LOL"
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>BUT HE GOT MONEY THO just doesn't ring well in this
>discussion, eh?



Word.

  

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113. "Hahaha Stans don't care they gonna live vicariously "
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though the money Jiggaman has.

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47. "alll of this comes down respect of one's elders"
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which we should all do.

but lets not pretend that the older people get, the more they feel they have leeway to say whatever they want.
imo, if he really had a problem with jay and really wanted something positive to come out of it, he could have reached out to him personally.

instead he publicly disrespected him.
it doesn't matter what belafonte has done for blacks at large (admirable as they may be). he disrespected someone on a personal level, and should expect a similar response (imo).

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48. "Why?"
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>he could have reached
>out to him personally.

Questions of social responsibility among public figures should be kept quiet?

  

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49. "No but it should be done more respectfully and tactfully."
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Him insinuating that Bruce Springsteen is "blacker" didn't need to be said. What good you did in the past shouldn't give you carte blanche to speak about others in a disrespectful manner.



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55. "I guess this is a philosophical difference."
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>Him insinuating that Bruce Springsteen is "blacker" didn't
>need to be said.

And yet his doing so has sparked considerable discussion, even just right here, right now, on this board, about the proper social role of leading African-American cultural figures, which itself is a form of activism, and surely Harry's intention all along.

>What good you did in the past shouldn't give
>you carte blanche to speak about others in a disrespectful
>manner.

Or Jay could simply behave in a manner that commands Harry's respect.

  

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90. "RE: I guess this is a philosophical difference."
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"Or Jay could simply behave in a manner that commands Harry's
respect."

This is straight up silly. LOL...

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116. "Why's that?"
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>"Or Jay could simply behave in a manner that commands Harry's
>respect."
>
>This is straight up silly. LOL...

  

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57. "exactly. It's pretty simple"
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Mr. Belafonte is not God.
He's a man.
as is Jay Z.

If Mr. Belafonte had been tactful in the first place, instead of grandstanding, this wouldn't be an issue.

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54. "i did not say that"
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i said if he expected to NOT get a negative reaction, then he could have made a personal appeal.
however, if you publicly seek to shame someone, then you should expect a similar retort.

(imo, hov's response was irreverent, but really not something to take offense over).

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58. "Except:"
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>i said if he expected to NOT get a negative reaction,

I doubt he cares. See my reply above.

>then he
>could have made a personal appeal.
>however, if you publicly seek to shame someone, then you
>should expect a similar retort.

Again, I doubt he cares.

  

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61. "ok"
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>>i said if he expected to NOT get a negative reaction,
>
>I doubt he cares. See my reply above.

see my initial statement.
old people rarely care.
that doesn't mean we have to treat them like glass and tip toe arounf them.
its okay for belafonte to say whatever he wants but jay z can't?

doesn't make sense to me.

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62. "They both can."
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>that doesn't mean we have to treat them like glass and tip toe
>arounf them.

Who said you have to?

>its okay for belafonte to say whatever he wants but jay z
>can't?

Who said this?

Of course Jay can say/rap whatever he wants. And people can then say whatever they want about that. And so on.

The nature of free speech.

I never understand, regarding important social issues especially, those who think such-and-such *shouldn't* have said something publicly. Just sounds like suppression/censorship to me.

  

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70. "we aren't disagreeing."
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Thu Aug-01-13 11:15 AM by woe.is.me.

  

          

there are people above who thought jay should've have "eaten that" and kept quiet.
my point is simply that he wasn't obligated to.
regardless of mr. belafonte's stature.

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77. "Yep."
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>my point is simply that he wasn't obligated to.
>regardless of mr. belafonte's stature.

Agree entirely.

  

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50. "he responded to a direct question in terms of what..."
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our biggest black stars should be doing on the activism front, and referenced a white guy who's done more on that front.

How is this a personal diss?

As stated above... charity and activism are not one & the same.

Belafonte used all his resources (not just monetary) to push the civil rights agenda. No one expects Jay-Z to be Belafonte, but the tangible effort isnt there and he expressed that. You only think he's an old man talking crazy if you dont understand who he is, and where he's coming from.

  

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64. "also"
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>You only think he's an old man talking crazy if you
>dont understand who he is, and where he's coming from.

i never said he was talking crazy, i said he was talking without tact, as is not unusual when one has the luxury of age.

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69. "my nigga you havent even read the quotes in question, STFU"
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56. "his point wasn't about Jay though."
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his point was about Black celebs, generally. he used J & B as examples of what he was talking about - the dearth of Black celebs working on activist causes in the public sphere.

there was no need to address Jay personally and privately b/c it wasn't about Jay specifically. he probably used J & B b/c they're so high profile and so publicly inactive on the activist front. but he could've used any other Black celeb of their stature.

fuck you.

  

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59. "i hear you, but"
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how is it not personal if he called him out by name?

I have not seen the initial quote that started all this.
my understanding from reading this post was that he said that springsteen is "blacker" than jay z because of what springsteen does for our community. to me, this is an unnecessarily inflammatory statement. but maybe that isn't what he actually said?

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63. "he did say that, but"
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the context was w/in the framework of answering a question about celebrity activism, i believe. HB complained that there aren't enough Black celebs out there in public addressing activist causes. he brought up J & B as examples of celebs who aren't out there on the front lines. he brought up Springsteen as an example of a celeb who does work on activist issues publicly. and then said the bit about Springsteen seeming/being 'blacker'.

the Springsteen bit was inflammatory and weird and annoying. but the rest was fine and was not a personal attack on J or B. even the Springsteen bit wasn't a personal attack on J or B - that too was a shot at several Black celebs and J & B were just the faces he used, i think.

fuck you.

  

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65. "okay i don't think we necessarily disagree"
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in that context.
i think he had complete merit to his larger statement, but i don't think its crazy at all for J and B to be offended (and to respond however they choose).

It sounds like one of those stupid baiting questions that doesn't actually accomplish anything but create ire.

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67. "not crazy but Jay's response was tactless."
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and unnecessary considering the comment was made like a yr ago.

fuck you.

  

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76. "RE: not crazy but Jay's response was tactless."
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>and unnecessary considering the comment was made like a yr
>ago.


^^^^^^^^

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66. "the question was asked in a racial context and he pointed out a white gu..."
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who's done more... He could have said Bob Dylan as well, or many others but I see the point as being the black celebs dont do enough for the black agenda, even compared to some of the white guys.

  

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68. "word."
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fuck you.

  

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82. "but that still is a weird thing to do, Jim Brown had the same rap"
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about Patriots Coach Bill Belasterisk having done 'more for black people than anyone else in the NFL'.

This felt like a similarly strange comment made by an aging activist/legend as 'Give me Bruce Springsteen, I really think he is black'.

Part of that usually stems from a 'this guy has been involved in causes *I* support or lent his hand to *my* organization' perspective like Bill B. (who he knew from his early Cleveland coaching days) doing work for his Amer-I-Can organization or Springsteen's work for causes Harry's been interlinked with like UNICEF/HaitianRelief/DemocracyNow/etc.

None of this actually makes Bill Belichick a selfless hero/champion of all things black or means that Bruce Springsteen knows about being black because he did a Diallo song that made his white fans mad, hung out with Clarence Clemons for 40 years & Belafonte appreciates him.

Those are the kind of comments that a 77 (or in Harry's case 85) year-old man with their track records will get a pass on as they should.

That doesn't necessarily make either right and nobody's perfect.

After all, Jim Brown's domestic-violence issues are well-documented & Belafonte made that terrible movie with Travolta as the white underdog cut down by his racist black oppressor boss played by Harry.

I do agree that Jay should have handled his reaction better but doing it through song probably seemed like an outlet for something that had obviously been gnawing at him for a minute.

As we hear on 'Magna Carta' finding new things to talk about is obviously becoming a growing challenge at this stage.

This really isn't a major issue on either side, it's something to hype in the media or get people on twitter/message-boards chirping, judging & picking sides over.

To me the saddest thing about the song was rhyming 'Mr-Day-O' & 'Major Fail'.

That line felt as awkwardly forced & corny as the 'oh behave' tag on the title-track of Blueprint 2.....sorta brings about that same douche-chill when I hear it that makes the hairs of my arms stand up & wanna run to hit the skip button for me.

  

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78. "This."
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>but lets not pretend that the older people get, the more they
>feel they have leeway to say whatever they want.
>imo, if he really had a problem with jay and really wanted
>something positive to come out of it, he could have reached
>out to him personally.

There's a bad cycle of older people disrespecting younger folks, and younger folks eating it on some "Oh well he's older, so he can say whatever he wants" shit. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions when their old and able, unless a medical condition literally stops them from doing so.

I hated the Jay lyric, but I wasn't feeling Harry's original comments either.

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79. "keep living."
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you'll probably come to understand why many/most ppl older than you tend to lean toward showing respect for those older than them by just holding their tongues even when the elder has said/done something foul.

i felt like you when i was younger. but now i'm leaning toward that 'respect via silence even when i'm right' thing. i can be right w/o everyone having to know i'm right. and i have no need to prove my rightness in the face of my elders at all times. especially since if they're wise they likely know they're out of pocket. and since it doesn't feel too good checking old, relatively feeble ppl. i've done it...it's not as pat-me-on-the-back worthy as i'd imagined when i was a child.

fuck you.

  

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80. "Oh I feel you. It's not like I regularly check old people, lol"
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I already understand why most people do it. I'm usually a pretty good problem-solver, so I can express discontent and listen to another side without having to "check" someone.

I've checked someone before too, and I hate it. But I don't like to check anyone, young or old. But I do it when I need to, with hopes of preventing further disrespect.

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104. "LOL. Y'all act like Harry was talking crazy"
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He said shit that a lot of young not-dumbass people
think

He just happens to be older

As for the debate, Jay-Z is dumb so I don't care, he
rap good for the most part though

But he stepped waaay outta his pocket talking about Harry

Nigga need to shut up and rap and make hipsters happy,
that's his legend and good for him

  

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72. "Jay was dead wrong for the disrespect but he has come to a point"
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in his carrer where he doesn't have to give a fuck and gets what he wants.

Just look at that "jackin for beats" jay post..most of them beats he jacked where folks who couldn't say no to Jay and gave it up.

I mean he could have called Harry you don't called a grown man like Harry Belafonte a boy on record thats just some shit you don't do it...This ain't Jim Jones ..he should know better.

I didn't hear him throw no shade at Robert DeNiro and call him a boy nowhere on this record?

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83. "Kinda off-topic, but I still think he said "Boyce" and not "boy""
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Double entendre, don't even ask me how.

It's logical. He called Harry "Mr Belafonte" just before that, so I don't think for a minute Jay-Z doesn't respect Belafonte's history like that at all.

Meanwhile, Dr Boyce Watkins been shittin on hiphop for a hot minute. The line seems to say that Jay understands "these youngins" like Weezy and Keef and them. Jay is 43 years old, he's not saying he's the youngin, he's saying he understands these kids so it's "my time now" as in, let me handle that, give me the baton old man.

Still pretentious, given Harry's stature, but I think people just got too worked up to actually remember that Jay is still capable of the odd slick line even in his old age.

  

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84. "RE: Kinda off-topic, but I still think he said "Boyce" and not "boy""
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Nah...he said Boy....

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85. "Fuck this dude......seriously."
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He needs to just apologize and keep it moving at this point. When you get to a point like Jay has you lose touch in some ways with reality. Harry Belafonte is not just not some random old head. That man is a living legend and I don't care how much money Jay has......what Belafonte has done with his life overshadows Jay and his "my presence is charity" bullshit.

Above all else.......what Belafonte said about Jay was RIGHT.

  

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86. "why is anyone suprised?"
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dude is an ex drug dealer turned businessman

yet he STILL extremly glamorizes materialism and his ex lifestyle

he's been thrust into a position of power by one of the most demonic industries around as if he is a role model for black men all of a sudden

I'm not suprised at anything this dude does

offended = freqently

suprised = never

dude is a joke so I cant take him seriously

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88. "RE: So Jay-Z dissed Harry Belafonte in a rap song... *disgust*"
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Disgusting and disrespectful.

Magna Carter was garbage too

  

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91. "I don't see the problem"
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I think people are mad at their own excpetations than what Jayz actually said/did.In a sense he is right more people has been successful looking up to artist like himself because it showed them you can come from wherever and make it to wherever you want.
What did the civil rights movement do for Hip-Hop exactly? Hip-Hop was started by disenfranchised kids in the Bronx. Civil Rights didn't invest in Hip-Hop they dismissed it. White corporations became involved when it was lucrative but they weren't on equal rights. And now he has so much so responsibilty because he became successful at what they didn't even believe in....miss me with the dof thrug dealer thing because if it wasn't drug dealing/dealers you would have never heard about these great artists and music you guys debate about.

  

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92. "lol"
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oh wow

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93. "LOL"
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damn.

i bet you can't even tie your own shoes.

fuck you.

  

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94. "No backbone posting under an alias fam"
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95. "RE: No backbone posting under an alias fam"
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This is not whoever you think it is. I'm new to posting on here but not new to this site.

  

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97. "^^OKPbi Wan Kenobi"
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"i am not the alias you are looking for"

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123. "LMAO!"
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96. "Worst post ever."
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98. "Why is it?"
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110. "^^^ J. Cole"
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114. "lol "
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112. "if this isn't an alias"
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you should get one and start over

there isn't really a coming back from this

"What did the civil rights movement do for Hip-Hop exactly?"


are you fucking kidding me

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117. "RE: if this isn't an alias"
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I stand by my statement. unless you're going to answer the question and convince me to think otherwise.

  

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119. "if not for the advances made during the BCRM,"
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H-H acts wouldn't be able to play to integrated audiences.

they wouldn't be able to stay in most hotels.

let's start there.

fuck you.

  

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120. "and lets end it there"
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it is too blatantly obvious for us to even entertain this discussion

this isn't even opinion anymore. like these are historical FACTS

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122. "you know?"
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fuck you.

  

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99. "i can't stand no Lay Z because he is one of the most overrated"
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Jive turkeys ever as a Artist.
Harry got some Illuminati in him as well, however he was down for the cause and he is a better music artist than the Camel will ever be.

Jay Z is lucky that folks are soft and safe when it comes to issues today or his behind would be clowned for the obvious.

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106. "do tell"
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>Harry got some Illuminati in him as well, however he was
>down

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127. "RE: do tell"
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harry had a cross over career and I ain't just talking about his music.

dude was in films, did tv and he got over in a big big way and played the game real well to his advantage.

lets not act like Harry was ever a threat at getting black balled for speaking out. and His daughter had crazy cross over with no talent. Shari Belafonte Harper was a cringe worthy actress.

Harry had his way alot like Jay Z, put it like this Harry didn't have the kind of heat that Sammy Davis Jr, Jackie Wilson,Sam Cooke and james brown had to deal with.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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129. "RE: do tell"
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>Harry had his way alot like Jay Z, put it like this Harry
>didn't have the kind of heat that Sammy Davis Jr, Jackie
>Wilson,Sam Cooke and james brown had to deal with.

as in heat like being told "if you piss in that toilet, you're a dead nigger" or heat like not being able to walk in the front door of a vegas casino he's headlining? Or heat like almost gettin lynched by the KKK trying to deliver MLK some money in Mississippi?

MAXX STFU ASAP

  

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133. "RE: do tell"
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lets see turkey did you read what Sammy Davis Jr went through though?
Jackie Wilson got owned and Pimped by the Mob and they let him rot in a hospital as a vegetable for nearly a decade

Sam Cooke killed over being a Smart Black Man who owned his Publishing and he had some hustle.

I never said that Harry didn't go through the struggle, however he made cross over films, I mean Harry was a Musician, Actor and Salesman right before your eyes.

his daughter benefited from it big time and FYI a buddy of Mine whose Uncle use to work for Harry told me straight up how Harry really was on the Low to a regular Brother,etc.. and My Homie dugs the cats talent, however first hand he caught that reality.

so turkey you don't even know the Half of the Happening.

i still feel Jay Z was wrong for this, however they do have some things in common.

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134. "everything you just typed is bullshit"
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100. "yeah......not cool..."
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Thing about Harry Belafonte isn't the type of Elder Black leader who expresses disdain for hip hop..or the youth ...or the perceived young Black American culture.... I mean he's not doing any Bill Cosby type of speaches.....


HE JUST INDUCTED PUBLIC ENEMY INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME FOR GOODNESS SAKES!!!!!! With what he said about them that night alone no person associated with hip hop EVER should say shit negative about Harry Belafonte....

in fact to the contrary he's always seemed like kind of the model Elder in that he reaches out TOO the youth..to the culture....in a Guidance type of manner that to me is pretty much what one is supposed to do for the youth.... do it with condemnation or disdain..


That's how Bellafonte has done it...from my perspective...so for Jay Z to do this shows not only disrespect...but a real ignorance.... it comes across like he just picked a famous randome Black leader and made him a foil in a lyric without using really any intellect and having a real disconnect from reality...

because honestly.....what the fukk is Jay Z doing to uplift the youth or build...

and since this is the music business.....Harry Belafonte basically flipped 1 song and used that to launch his life into activism, and here all these decades later...his name is coming out of YOUR mouth J....

How many records you done sold??? and is that gonna make YOU someone that people will speak on decades later for something that has nothing to do with music???

even the dumbest fukkin muthafukka...shit..... Trindand James would fukkin know to give Harry Belafonte props..off the top.......

Jay looks like a real fukkin idiot with this....

  

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115. "All of this is very true, except this part:"
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>for Jay Z to do this shows not only disrespect...but a real
>ignorance.... it comes across like he just picked a famous
>randome Black leader and made him a foil in a lyric without
>using really any intellect and having a real disconnect from
>reality...

I'm not sure why you think it seems random.

I mean, while Belafonte was absolutely correct to say that Jay & Beyonce don't really engage in social activism, he also basically said they were turning their back on their responsibility then insulted them by saying Bruce Springsteen was blacker.

This is not me being critical of what Belafonte said, because he can say whatever he wants and he's not wrong (about the first part, at least). That's whatever. But the point is, if he didn't say that stuff, Jay wouldn't have "responded" with those (shitty) lyrics.

There wasn't anything "random" about it though. Jay got semi-called out in a very public forum and this was his (poorly thought out and poorly executed) "response."


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118. ""give me Bruce, I think he's black" != "Bruce is blacker""
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121. "Well, what you just said isn't an exact quote either."
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"...they have turned their back on social responsibility. That goes for Jay-Z and Beyoncé, for example. Give me Bruce Springsteen, and now you’re talking. I really think he is black."

We're splitting hairs though. I'm not defending Jay here, as I made very clear in my reply to Warren that you just replied to. I think it's pretty clear that Harry intended that as a dig though if you look at the quote.

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124. "he wasnt digging into Jay/Bey he was biggin up Bruce"
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look at the exact quote

  

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102. "le sigh"
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125. "just curious...how many ppl knew about Belafontes comments before"
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the controversy?
i'm guessing most people that know about them now didn't know before Jay referenced them in the verse
that kind of supports Jays comment about his presence being charity cause like i said in the GD version of this thread i bet this controversy prompted a whole new generation of ppl to either LEARN about belafonte civil rights legacy or to brush up on what he's been doing recently
as far as how Jayz addressed the situation lyrically...meh. to me that's a personal decision on how he wanted to frame a defense of himself.
the majority of his lyrics are ignorant, i'd expect consistency there. not really hung up on whether he should have used "boy" or "Mr. Day-O" or whatever
it's a wack song and a wack lyric but i'm not offended

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126. "alot of people knew about it ..it's just been a while but it was"
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big when he said it...hence the reason Jay said something about it.

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128. "Nah, Jay is a good rapper, important figure. But he's an imbecile"
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He's an embarrassment

Nigga stepped outta his lane with that one

Just rap and continue to make friends with hipsters

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130. "^This is where I'm at with it..."
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Sun Aug-04-13 05:49 PM by guru0509

  

          

He's my fav MC but I wish he had just shut up on this one. Ashley's right. When someone of that stature says something, no matter how rude or disrespectful, you just chalk it up to old cantankerousness and eat it, no matter what.

That being said, this tiff isn't something that's going to completely turn me off to Jay-Z or his music. If he apologizes, good. That's what he should do. If he doesn't, I don't really care. I'll buy the next album if it's good.

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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Kosa12
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Sun Aug-04-13 07:11 PM

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132. "^^^^^"
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philpot
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Sun Aug-04-13 06:55 PM

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131. "REVELATION! HOV REALLY WAS JUSTIFIED FOR WAT HE SAID"
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nah just joking

fuck hov

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