5. "if they talkin mcs and not producers tho pete rza and preme dont" In response to Reply # 2 Wed Jul-24-13 10:27 AM by mikediggz
apply...tip xp and pos were (and are) very dope mcs
>>http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbnnesq49q1rrofp4o1_500.jpg >> > >That issue is lying somewhere in a box in my mother's attic. >I love all 3 guys but Pete, Primo & RZA were running shit at >the time. > >_________________________________________ >The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet >radio show >http://thecombatjackshow.com/ > >Gumbo, gris-gris, plus my etouffee got em paying 20 bones
8. "Of the three only Pos was really revered as an MC at the time (95/96)" In response to Reply # 5
>apply...tip xp and pos were (and are) very dope mcs > >>>http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbnnesq49q1rrofp4o1_500.jpg >>> >> >>That issue is lying somewhere in a box in my mother's attic. > >>I love all 3 guys but Pete, Primo & RZA were running shit at >>the time.
Again I just think it's a cute title for a cool cover. Maybe the interview goes more in depth about the caption.
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14. "Is Q-Tip even in the top 10-15 MC's of 1995/96? Hell No. " In response to Reply # 13
Do you actually remember what was going on in 1995-1996? I made a list of mcees that people were actually raving about back then. This list is East Coast biased, but Tip is from here so it shouldn't affect his standing.
Notorious Big Lauryn Hill GZA Jeru Nas Common KRS Prodigy Jay-Z Busta Rhymes Kurupt Tupac Cee-Lo Pharaohe Monche Scarface Rae or Ghost Redman AZ Black Thought Kool G Rap Grand Puba Pick your fav from De La Soul Pick your fav from Outkast Pick your favorite from Bone Pick your fav from Wu outside of Ghost, Rae & GZA Maybe even pick your favorite from Bootcamp
That's at least 25 right there.
Now on to some personal picks that some might agree with or heartily laugh at
ODB Guru Tash from the Liks Treach Saafir Whoever my favorite was from Hiero at that time Aceyalone Xzibit Big L OC Ras Kass Lord Finesse Sadat X AG was killing shit on Goodfellas Fat Joe (gasp) Kool Keith Godfather Don Mic Geronimo
Now Tip is a dope mcee in his own right but people weren't really taking about his raps. You do remember how shocked everyone was at his verse on "Drink Away The Pain", don't you? It was much more lyrical than we were accustomed to.
15. "RE: Is Q-Tip even in the top 10-15 MC's of 1995/96? Hell No. " In response to Reply # 14
>Do you actually remember what was going on in 1995-1996? I >made a list of mcees that people were actually raving about >back then. This list is East Coast biased, but Tip is from >here so it shouldn't affect his standing. > >Notorious Big >Lauryn Hill >GZA >Jeru >Nas >Common >KRS >Prodigy >Jay-Z >Busta Rhymes >Kurupt >Tupac >Cee-Lo >Pharaohe Monche >Scarface >Rae or Ghost >Redman >AZ >Black Thought >Kool G Rap >Grand Puba >Pick your fav from De La Soul >Pick your fav from Outkast >Pick your favorite from Bone >Pick your fav from Wu outside of Ghost, Rae & GZA >Maybe even pick your favorite from Bootcamp > >That's at least 25 right there. > >Now on to some personal picks that some might agree with or >heartily laugh at > >ODB >Guru >Tash from the Liks >Treach >Saafir >Whoever my favorite was from Hiero at that time >Aceyalone >Xzibit >Big L >OC >Ras Kass >Lord Finesse >Sadat X >AG was killing shit on Goodfellas >Fat Joe (gasp) >Kool Keith >Godfather Don >Mic Geronimo > >Now Tip is a dope mcee in his own right but people weren't >really taking about his raps. You do remember how shocked >everyone was at his verse on "Drink Away The Pain", don't you? > It was much more lyrical than we were accustomed to. > >
Like you said, it's east coast biased. maybe that was the case up there but in my hometown at that time, Tip was better than half them niccas you listed. LOL at Puba being on that list. That nicca was def coasting by 95. Tip was def a more memorable emcee than Puba by 95/96
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17. "Even if he's better than half I listed over 30 people." In response to Reply # 15
>Like you said, it's east coast biased. maybe that was the case >up >there but in my hometown at that time, Tip was better than >half them >niccas you listed. LOL at Puba being on that list. That nicca >was def >coasting by 95. Tip was def a more memorable emcee than Puba >by 95/96
I'm not talking about whose music is doper, I'm talking about the rappers who had rewindable verses. And if you had heard the album Puba was originally trying to put out as "2000" you might change even your mind on him. I still can't find my dub and there's only two songs from it (outside of the handful that made the release of "2000") on the net.
20. "Nah. Back then MC rankings were more about rewindable verses" In response to Reply # 18 Wed Jul-24-13 11:10 PM by micMajestic
>of them dudes. > >Cats were anticipating "Beats, Rhymes, and Life" like it was a >muthafuckin comet.
I was among the many salivating for B&R&L but I wasn't expecting a bunch of rewindable verses. With Tribe it's more about the overall feel of the music. It's easy to say "oh he was hotter than half that list" without naming which half he was hotter than (which I doubt you can actually do).
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26. "Tip nicer than Cee-lo/GZA/Rae/Ghost/Pos/Lauryn/Jeru/Andre/AZ/Face? " In response to Reply # 21
>It'd be easier to say cats who could be seen as better than >Tip in 95-96. The rest of your list is a "Noooooooo". > >Big >Nas >KRS >Prodigy >Jay-Z >Redman >Busta >Snoop > >
25. "you can't honestly believe this " In response to Reply # 14
Tip turned in one of the greatest emcee performances over an album on BRL, this is just fucking silly
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46. "Are we talking rappity rap ass niccas or cats who can make songs" In response to Reply # 43
You listed albums by some of the best (GZA, BT and Nas) but most of them cats fam named weren't making great songs. Rapping for the sake of riddling is overrated IMO.
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48. "The point dude was trying to make was" In response to Reply # 46
That in 95, people were not waiting on Tribes album because they were getting verses to rewing from Tip.
Tip has never been an MC that makes you say "oh shit!"
And I'm not taking anything from him because he is one of the greatest of all-time.
But there is no way you are going to tell me he's a better MC than dudes like AZ and OC regardless if he has the better catalogue.
If you want to call it "rappity-rap" then that's whatever. I don't even know what that shit means.
And I don't agree with everyone on the list above but I also dot agree with calling his performance on BR&L one of the best over the course of an album.
50. "I know the point he was trying to make and we can agree to disagree" In response to Reply # 48
he specifically said emcees people were raving about and nobody in my area was checking for over half the people he claimed was better than Tip. Not sure where he's from but then it comes down to preference so maybe that was the case where he was at.
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59. "I'll agree with that" In response to Reply # 58 Fri Jul-26-13 11:11 AM by Anonymous
There are different ways to rank MCs.
Overall body of work, Tip is high on that list
As a flat out MC...someone you don't want to pick up the mic after, he simply is t that guy and I think that's all the poster above was saying.
Someone like Inspectah Deck isn't listed higher than Tip on the greatest MCs but I can guarantee you that if Deck and Tip were on he same track, the majority of people would come away saying "Deck fucking killed that joint" before they say Tip did.
61. "3K says he's the greatest ever, for one" In response to Reply # 54
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66. "you said you never heard anyone say it" In response to Reply # 63
and I just gave a name, I don't put stock in artists anyhow so I feel you on that
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60. "you're not but I am" In response to Reply # 43
he put a lot of himself out there and did it without being whiny or emotional for no fucking reason it's a very personal album and has equal amounts of wit, variety and lyrical sharpness he just blends in with the music to the point that it's sublime and most people don't notice it because it isn't as in your face
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he has a lot of great verses on all the Tribe albums, and The Renaissance is filled with them
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68. "His second verse on "Verses From the Abstract" springs to mind" In response to Reply # 67
"In the Sun," "Separate/Together," his last verse on "Check the Rhime," etc. the thing with him is that he did a lot of back and forth with Phife, so he has a lot of broken up verses, but he's a great writer nonetheless he's the greatest ever at saying something with tons of meaning and not wasting words he states things simply to the point that he operates on the sublime, but make no mistake he's highly lyrical when he needs to be
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6. "yea the title don't make sense..maybe if they was talking mcs" In response to Reply # 0
but then you wouldn't put Large Professor in there...who would be the 3rd mc in the holy trinity for the common everyday smart mc that Pos and Tip sorta fathered.
"yea the title don't make sense..maybe if they was talking mcs"
but then you wouldn't put Large Professor in there...who would be the 3rd mc in the holy trinity for the common everyday smart mc that Pos and Tip sorta fathered.
7. "yea the title don't make sense..maybe if they was talking mcs" In response to Reply # 0
but then you wouldn't put Large Professor in there...who would be the 3rd mc in the holy trinity for the common everyday smart mc that Pos and Tip sorta fathered.
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16. ""are they talking MCs? are they talking producers?"" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jul-24-13 03:54 PM by dula dibiasi
how abt just plain old "artists"?
sheesh.
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22. "doesnt make them a holy trinity" In response to Reply # 19
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------------------------- “Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge
I still don't think many people felt he was at top 10-15 MC at the time. The consensus was "Tribe makes really great music". Maybe you're underestimating how strong the talent pool was at the time.
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37. "RE: Never disputed the music being dope. You can add "Glamour & Glitz"" In response to Reply # 32
not underestimating but there is more to it than just rapping. gotta have the complete package and a lot of the dudes you listed didn't have that. Puba had to be an up north thing because dude was getting play in Atlanta when I was growing up.
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