"Why do we give Mobb Deep a pass for Juvenile Hell?"
Me and a co-worker got into a debate and he basically said they were young. My response, Souls of Mischief were young too. They were all around the same age yet 93 'til >>>> Juvenile Hell. How did that happen?
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1. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Cgc0gH9cM" In response to Reply # 0
>Me and a co-worker got into a debate and he basically said >they were young. My response, Souls of Mischief were young >too. They were all around the same age yet 93 'til >>>> >Juvenile Hell. How did that happen?
4. "Never saw it that way" In response to Reply # 0
It doesn't get a pass nor does it need one. Although it was before they developed their identity and trademark sound its good or what it is. Not great but certainly not embarrasing either.
I get irritated when people skip over it and call Infamous their first record
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better than their's did. At least that's Prodigy's account. I guess it wasn't hard to listen to their music then listen to Illmatic and say "Hey our stuff sounds kinda childish compared to that". That happened to a lot of rappers. You could hear how guys like Fat Joe & Onyx refined their sound in '95 and some of them were honest enough to say "We heard Nas and realized we had to step it up".
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7. "It was a perfectly fine album when it dropped" In response to Reply # 0
I listened to it quite a bit in the summer of '93 (damn, 20 years ago). It's only when you look at it through the prism of "The Infamous" and "Hell On Earth" that it sounds like a first draft, or, well, juvenile.
14. "There are some other examples like that" In response to Reply # 0
An extreme example would be the Fugees; the Score was like the biggest album in the world and yet, I don't remember the debut being reevaluated or getting more popular or even being rated at all.
Another one that is perhaps more appropriate would be the Genius and his debut in relationship to "Liquid Swords". Like "Juvenile..." it was released on a different (smaller) label than the breakthrough which means that the new label had no interest in pushing the existence of the old, far more obscure record. Otherwise, it's quite common when an act break through after the debut that the label will put an "Also available..:" or "If you missed it" etc. about the debut in advertisements for the new record so that the new fans will know that there is another record for them to pick up...
15. "people my age are kind of taught that it doesn't exist" In response to Reply # 0
It's a similar thing with Naughty by Nature, even though I like some songs on the New Style album. But we're kind of taught to ignore that stuff and just get to the goodies, and so they're just sort of these curious artifacts. I eventually heard New Style because I have a soft spot for that style of rap, but I'll admit I've not heard Juvenile Hell to this day, and I've bought it on iTunes twice.
16. "For those that discredit JH they fail to mention" In response to Reply # 15
That they won the coveted Source unsignedhype based off the style they exhibited on that lp
"Flava for the non belivas" was on that demo. Which had a young Prodigy actually rhymin and flippin styles instead of talk rappin
"Peer pressure" the og and remix was a Source single to look out for that was produced by Primo and Xtra P respectivly cuz they saw Mobbs potential
"Hit it from the back" was a minor hit
You had deeper lp cuts like " locked in spofford" and "project hallways" that were hard
Yeah they hadnt yet developed their own sound or the dun language yet but it was quality hiphop indicitive of the time
Dont sleep on it jst because it isnt like Infamous
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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?) forced to serve-too broke to by freedom the systematic rape of African culture has begun little time
17. "that loud Demo tape...they stepped up MASSIVELY..instant pass" In response to Reply # 0
they improved by leaps and bounds...niggas was like OHHH SHIT!....yeah...they for real now.
Juvie Hell wasnt even that bad honestly...but that the youngstas steez wasnt Mobb....and mannnn from that demo tape on...them lil niggas was vicious!!!
Beats were incredible and the rhymes were WAY better....
Juvie was a blip on the radar after Infamous and that Demo tape was the beginning of that shit.
We see through all that boo boo like it's ghost shit... (c) Quelle Chris
1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?) forced to serve-too broke to by freedom the systematic rape of African culture has begun little time
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