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mistermaxxx08
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"Sting or Phil Collins whose work has stood the test of time?"


          

now compile there band stuff and the songs they wrote

there solo careers

and the sampling and covering of there music.

watching sting on stage with Bruno mars as part of the Bob marley tribute reminded me of Sting and his talents because its been many a moon since he has put out anything memorable as a artist

same with Phil Collins

who you roll with here of the two and why?

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RE: Sting or Phil Collins whose work has stood the test of time?
Feb 12th 2013
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Hmmm...
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Both are superb.
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Pheel
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Did Imcvspl Embarrass You From Doing A Voting Poll?
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i didn't pay that turkey no mind
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Both of them
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i'm a fan of both
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RE: i'm a fan of both
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      because black on black music crime is accepted here
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      lol black on black music crime
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           i give my take on certain artists strengths and wackness
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      there is a thread right now full of people that usually reply with "both...
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           RE: there is a thread right now full of people that usually reply with "...
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I don't like either
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i like that take man
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Hard to say...
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standing ovation on that post
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both...
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MusicBrain
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Tue Feb-12-13 10:04 PM

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1. "RE: Sting or Phil Collins whose work has stood the test of time?"
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I'm partial to Collins, Invisible Touch may be poppy as all get out, but I love that track.

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johnbook
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Tue Feb-12-13 11:08 PM

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2. "Hmmm..."
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I tend to prefer both in a group context. I like *some* of Sting's solo work, but definitely not as much as I like The Police.

I like *some* of Phil Collins' solo work, he has a wealth of hit songs, but definitely not as much as I prefer the work Collins did as the front man of Genesis.

If anything, both examples show how well the unit worked together.




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Buck
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3. "Both are superb."
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AlBundy
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4. "Pheel"
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Dj Joey Joe
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5. "Did Imcvspl Embarrass You From Doing A Voting Poll?"
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Wed Feb-13-13 02:31 AM by Dj Joey Joe

  

          

?????


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mistermaxxx08
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6. "i didn't pay that turkey no mind"
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i did it my way. this particular debate is good imo

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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Coco la chapelle
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7. "Both of them"
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Especially if we're talking about Sting entire career (solo and The Police)

  

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makaveli
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8. "i'm a fan of both"
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phil probably has more good solo songs. and phil can be extra cheesed, but i still dig him.

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Red07
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9. "RE: i'm a fan of both"
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both.....its funny that the majority of folks are in agreement. Now, if this were a maxx post with black artists, we'd be having visceral reactions for or against. I never heard "both" as an answer... Why?

  

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10. "because black on black music crime is accepted here"
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phil jaked earth,wind and fire horn grooves and holland,dozier and holland and other acts

sting rode off bob marley and they get a pass

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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Coco la chapelle
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11. "lol black on black music crime"
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Wed Feb-13-13 12:02 PM by Coco la chapelle

  

          

Aren't you the one who initiates it most of the time ?

  

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mistermaxxx08
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14. "i give my take on certain artists strengths and wackness"
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Wed Feb-13-13 12:11 PM by mistermaxxx08

          

however if you read the posts here when it comes to R&B acts you notice that over the years that R&B has gotten the "Willie Lynch,Lynch! reaction up in here when compared to other genres.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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12. "there is a thread right now full of people that usually reply with "both..."
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>Now, if this were a maxx post with black artists,
>we'd be having visceral reactions for or against. I never
>heard "both" as an answer... Why?

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Red07
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16. "RE: there is a thread right now full of people that usually reply with "..."
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>>Now, if this were a maxx post with black artists,
>>we'd be having visceral reactions for or against. I never
>>heard "both" as an answer... Why?
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>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2776991&mesg_id=2776991&listing_type=search
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>murph
>dr claw
>me
>jakob
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>i mean, i could go on.
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>Generally, Murph and Dr claw or exceptions to the rule. I''ll throw you in as well.. Maxx is correct, black on black assassination is excepted here
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13. "I don't like either"
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Wed Feb-13-13 12:08 PM by Jakob Hellberg

          

Both genesis-with or without Gabriel or Collins-and the Police made very bad music to my ears and their solo-careers are not my thing at all.

However, based on their solo-careers, I'd give Phil the edge; he has more memorable songs including some I actually like (In the air tonight and Against all odds) as well as some more fun-type tracks that put me in a good mood when I hear them.

By comparison, Sting feels overtly clever, ''music-school'' and ''mature''-MOR in a bad way as opposed to Phil who at his best was MOR in a pretty good way.

  

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15. "i like that take man"
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and you hit it from a different aingle. right on!!

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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17. "Hard to say..."
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The Police are a much better band to me than Genesis. Genesis went from a turgid prog group a little too far up their own asses, to a very synth-dominated pop machine that had a few good tunes but mostly a lot of silly, slick bullshit. By the time they were doing songs like "I Can't Dance," they were full-on terrible. I still like most of "Abacab" and the occasional dark song they would churn out (like "Mama" - what the hell is that?), and a few other odds and ends. And I'll admit, when "Land of Confusion" comes on the radio, I find it irresistible. But mostly they were not my favorite group; there were a lot of better ones for both prog and pop music.

The Police on the other hand made better hay out of their musicianship. I think the only reason their white reggae thing wasn't more influential is that most of the punk and new wave and pop acts that came after them couldn't play it half as well. Lots of bands dabbled in it a little bit, but only that band could make it into a viable, instantly-recognizable style of their own. Also, for as good of musicians as they were, they seldom lapsed into art school show-offy bullshit; they used their powers for good. Their first album is half a punk record. Their subsequent albums, for the most part, have a very stripped-down and lean sound, all angles and sinew, not a lot of ridiculous wanking just because they could. The songs are great and have aged as well as any pop of that era. We're probably all a little sick of "Every Breath You Take," but otherwise I think their singles all stand up.

Now as solo artists... Phil wins hands down for me. He was a grade-A cracker smeared with almond-crusted cheeseball sometimes, but he also had one of the best pop radio songs ever made ("In the Air Tonight" - it works in any context and makes everything 20% better) and a run of fun singles like "Easy Lover" that I just don't understand how anyone can't enjoy them. Admittedly, he also did stupid shit like "Sussudio" and hokey shit like "Groovy Kind of Love," and basically laid down the Disney balladeer template that Sting also fell into, but I'm inclined to give him a pass just based on his highlight reel. A Phil Collins solo best-of, hand-picked by someone with some damn taste, would be very listenable.

Sting's solo career is practically a betrayal of The Police (unlike Phil's, which was basically just a further evolution of what Genesis was already turning into). I don't have much use for anything he did on his own. He was less inclined to be cheesy than Phil, but he also did not much that I want to hear again; it's all soft and self-important and yuppified. And he did an album of lute music. Sigh.

I think overall I'd give Sting the nod just because I have that much respect for The Police. But if you give him less credit for just being 1/3 of the chemistry of that group, Phil might win in a landslide, despite his flaws.

So it's a split decision, I guess.

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18. "standing ovation on that post "
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i really dug that man, peace and props on that Man really good take.

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19. "both..."
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cant pick...

i guess im one of the few that likes sting solo more than police...

  

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