http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2013/01/ommas_keith_frank_ocean_grammy_channel_orange.php

I like dude's attitude towards the music industry.

s.blak
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Heavy Ro'
Jay Rock - Redemption
Roc Marci - RR2
Travis Scott - Astroworld
Taz Arnold - rAd americA

I remember seeing a vid of the vinyl (colored, even) being pressed... but no idea what happened with that record.

s.blak
Talented

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..oh boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuLO7DVGuFk

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I ain't NEVER seen a hungry, happy muthaf*cka!

Heavy Ro'
Jay Rock - Redemption
Roc Marci - RR2
Travis Scott - Astroworld
Taz Arnold - rAd americA

how has all his output since been features on shit with cats that are __________.
he seems so mature and yet everything that comes out seems so juvenile.
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I hear what you are saying.

But I also see what he's doing.

Hell...I was wondering what the fuck he was doing on "Making The Band" years ago, too.

The music business doesn't make much sense.
But if you can stick around in it and record one song a year that you as a musician enjoy and are proud of (as well as have a critical motherfucker like me enjoy any element of...) ... and you making enough to live? *shrug*


I think Frank Ocean's singing is Ne-Yo derived and don't really care for his tone or style.
But compared to Nostalgia/Ultra...his follow up was a HUGE step in the right direction for an artist with his skill set.

s.blak
Win-Win

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at the same time it makes me wonder. folks gotta eat and if folks living i ain't trying to keep em from eatin, but i yearn for artists that eat off of giving the fullness of themselves. perhaps a contradiction within the bizness but it pains me to see talent nat taken to its potential.
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I don't like everything dude has touched.

But I do recognize his talents. And I congratulate the brother on his Grammy nom for Frank Ocean's Channel Orange.


s.blak
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What is juvenile about what he's been making?

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

http://www.discogs.com/OmMas-Keith-Uh-Oh-Its-Love/release/2690826

experience, perspective, eccentricity and humor that make him one of a kind.

https://soundcloud.com/ommaskeith/sets/city-pulse?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=facebook&utm_content=https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fommaskeith%2Fsets%2Fcity-pulse

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/frank-ocean-producer-ommas-keith-readies-city-pulse-album-premiere-20130131

By Steve Baltin
January 31, 2013 2:20 PM ET
In January 2011, the singer-songwriter and producer Om'Mas Keith began working on his album City Pulse. Six months later, with the record nearly done, he put it away to concentrate on Frank Ocean's Channel Orange.

"There was no other alternative, really, in terms of knowing I was gonna immerse with an artist for that amount of time," Keith tells Rolling Stone in his Hollywood studio. "It really wasn't that hard a decision for me, knowing I had a body of work that was almost ready and that was just touches away from completion and in my possession."

50 Best Albums of 2012: Frank Ocean, 'Channel Orange'

That decision, of course, has paid off considerably: Ocean's critically-acclaimed album is one of the five finalists for Album of the Year at the 55th Grammy Awards. Keith, for one, is not surprised that he and the others behind Channel Orange will be attending the ceremony at the Staples Center on February 10th.

"After I was done producing, we took our listen and we kind of got that chill and we all said, 'Oh yeah, we're gonna be at the Grammys,'" he recalls. "We all said it, so we kind of manifested it to this experience."

Once he had finished working with Ocean, Keith returned to City Pulse, which you can hear exclusively below. Like Channel Orange, Keith regards City Pulse as a fully realized body of work, with a story. "It is somewhat of an exaggerated, somewhat fictional narrative; that's how it's done, that's how you make the good story," he says. "I think part of artistry, to me, is the blend of sharing your personal truth with people and then sharing your fictional idea. My album is definitely an album about love, sexual experiences, fun and touring the world."

For obvious reasons Keith says, "Now I think, timing-wise, this is the time for me to release this." He also plans to play live behind the record, starting with a European tour and then dates in Los Angeles, his current home, and beyond.

It will all have to be balanced with the continually increasing demand for his services as a producer. "What happens is now 16- to 18-hour days are just standard," he says.

Among his next projects, Keith is working with Azealia Banks on her forthcoming album. He envisions forging a similar working bond with her to the one he has now with Ocean. "She's probably going to be one of the artists that I go into a long-term working relationship with," he says. "We've already done a series of very intense sessions that I personally feel resulted in some of her best music to date. I think she feels that way too."


s.blak
that schitt sound like Donald Fagen possessed by Sa-Ra

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>s.blak
>that schitt sound like Ne-Yo's mobile in the "Gay Room" so
>far

LOL!!! So was I lying above?
Should I turn off this Jose James to check it (I'm actually listening to that Underachievers now but you get the point).
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I'm listening to the music.

I can't say if you have or not yet, I seem to remember you being a huge proponent of "swirly" progressive production styles.

You might like this.

I'm sure he's one of the author's of "lick you from your asshole to your twat", so, I'm going to pass on all the Smiley & West pearl clutching and just listen to his schitt song by song, project for project.

My desires for him to drop a "Master Teacher" or "The Cell" on me EVERY SINGLE TIME HE STEPS TO THE PLATE WOULD BE BORING.

One Bono is enough.

But #NAW...four songs in, I wouldn't be in any hurry to hear this album.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

s.blak
...but what was you saying?

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And prefer my 'swirly' (LOL) music to speak to that. No matter how dope a groove is shit gets killed instantly when things like

>"lick you from your
>asshole to your twat",

show up in the mix. That's what would throw me off about Sa-Ra. Like yeah having fun is cool. But there's 20's fun and 30's fun. I still remember that first EPK when they were running down all the influences and shit and that had me hype, but then every time I'd listen to something there'd be some silly shit fuking up the vibe. I attributed it to all of them at first. Then Shafiq stepped outside of that and Taz showed he was all about that. I was never sure about Omas though. He never seemed to go to Taz levels with it, but he was still 28ing it nah meen.

The promo linked above shows that he's got it, but by the sounds of it that isn't really a reflection of what the project will be.

>My desires for him to drop a "Master Teacher" or "The Cell" on
>me EVERY SINGLE TIME HE STEPS TO THE PLATE WOULD BE BORING.

He should be able to come multi dimensional with it lace some true heat in their, play around and have fun but not revisit his high school days, feel me. That's all I really want.

>But #NAW...four songs in, I wouldn't be in any hurry to hear
>this album.
>
>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I'mma check for it at some point.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>And prefer my 'swirly' (LOL) music to speak to that. No
>matter how dope a groove is shit gets killed instantly when
>things like

I prefer the schitt not to be be all "Hey I got the new swirlalator 2000", and that's what I'm supposed to be blown away by. I hear a lot of that b.s. too.

But this :
>>"lick you from your
>>asshole to your twat",

is still different enough from just plain 'ol "Skeet, Skeet, Skeet,Skeet, etc.", so ME?...I'm not really turned off by Sa-Ra's brand of lewdness.

Cats like 'The Dream' turn me off BIG TIME though.

Which brings up the songwriting factor.

This guy is farming out lowest common denominator material for anybody who wants some material to specifically tailored joints for specific artists. I hear that range on his solo joint. I'm not crazy about a lot of the styles (just like I wasn't 100% down with Blu's No York...which sounded like a new gear orgy) that make up this particular album "City Pulse".

But whether I like it or not... at this point I'm still checking for everything a cat like Om'Mas does off the strength of the schitt he's been a part of that I do like.

This isn't difficult to understand.

I've never liked the whole "I demand artists I respect to maintain my respect and do what I want them to do" mindset.

For me, "artistry" is more like a ping-pong/tennis volley between the artist and the listener.

When a particular volley begins and ends is up to how the listener receives the art work.
If they don't get it, they have the option to try again or not too.
Sometimes, you leave some schitt alone and comeback to it it strikes you another way, sometimes you dislike it even more.

>I still remember that first EPK when they were
>running down all the influences and shit and that had me hype,
>but then every time I'd listen to something there'd be some
>silly shit fuking up the vibe. I attributed it to all of them
>at first. Then Shafiq stepped outside of that and Taz showed
>he was all about that. I was never sure about Omas though.
>He never seemed to go to Taz levels with it, but he was still
>28ing it nah meen.

That's THAT group. You can't expect to hear "That's The Way of The World" when you put on "Hardcore Jollies", can you?

That EPK was beyond pretentious...but look how far it's gotten them. Still going © Duracell

I mean, I LOVE cracking on Prince now that he seems to be completely uninspired because of the ridiculous contrast to the periods when dude was clearly INSPIRED...but part of that also comes from kind've knowing that dude could possibly still BLOW MY HEAD OFF with some new schitt at any given time.

Who am I to say how an artist gets down? I can only speak on what "I" do not like or do like.

>He should be able to come multi dimensional with it lace some
>true heat in their, play around and have fun but not revisit
>his high school days, feel me. That's all I really want.

Yeah... turn the tables around and armchair A&R yourself with this stuff.
It's irrelevant. You care. Sure. He don't. I don't. -shrug-


s.blak
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I'm not trying to sound like an asshole to you either, imcvpl.

I just like to make my points without all of the "Lessonhead Hippie Vibes".

I enjoy talking about this stuff, but never enjoy sounding or reading anything to "Bro-y" or "asskiss-y".

Here's a link with a capellas and instrumentals:
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediafire.com%2F%3F32wz01lm8o5cx5a&h=ZAQEqRPO6&s=1

s.blak
swirl it out dawggie

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I more or less listen to anything that at one point sparked my interest unless i find some shit just offensive to my ears. If there's a potential, I'll be checking for it. But I'm not with the "Hiippie Vibes" of oohhh this is dope cause we're supposed to like XYZ either. I call it how I see it, not to change anyone's opinion or make them not listen but because that balance is needed. It's all love even if we don't always love the music.


>Here's a link with a capellas and instrumentals:
>http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediafire.com%2F%3F32wz01lm8o5cx5a&h=ZAQEqRPO6&s=1

I downloaded this into my check later folder without realizing it had all them shits in there. Dope but at the same time regardless of my opinion, bugs me out this isn't being put out via a label.

BTW ever see this - http://shocklee.com/2012/12/ultimate-break-beats-exclusive-mix-by-primus-luta/

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

but i dont know what his strong suit is. he just seems to do a bit of everything pretty well.

so i know he can do post-dilla, post-muldrow lo-fi indie soul for gilles peterson types and soulful mainstream-ish R&B, but what is his sound?

imo he/sara are kind of a true throwback to the old anonymous session musician/writer. they work best as generally unknown/unrecognisable writers/producers for (post-neo soul) artists

so they have lots of styles, whereas guys like timbo or the neptunes or even the roots have/had a particular signature sound

im still not even sold that theyre very good songwriters, theyre more vibewriters, which is why they work well with erykah, cos she is about songwriting

his as well as the rest of the Sa-Ra crew, I keep getting this dismissive vibe from you.


>but i dont know what his strong suit is. he just seems to do
>a bit of everything pretty well.

they've been around as Sa-Ra for going on 10 yrs. now.

Either you willfully don't want to know or you're not paying attention.

The three of them have pretty much demonstrated what they bring to the table via solo work or outside collaborations since the last Sa-Ra album.

>so i know he can do post-dilla, post-muldrow lo-fi indie soul
>for gilles peterson types and soulful mainstream-ish R&B, but
>what is his sound?

you just named a handful of styles and then ask what his "style" is?!
isn't it bringing some conventional musical chops to those styles?
The guys is a songwriter, musician, producer.

When I think of Om'mas I think of the Sa-Ra track "Hollywood", in at least 3 different incarnations. It's clear all of the jazzier flourishes and harmonies are his realm.

>imo he/sara are kind of a true throwback to the old anonymous
>session musician/writer. they work best as generally
>unknown/unrecognisable writers/producers for (post-neo soul)
>artists

here I think you're romanticizing things... "Making The Band" w/ Puffy, Kanye, 3000, Erykah are all pretty high profile gigs. A lot of folks don't take notice to the auxilary peeps...but A LOT DO. Yes, his star is now on the rise individually...but these dudes have been legitimately putting in work. The boxes your trying to paint these cats in seem rather disingenuous.

>so they have lots of styles, whereas guys like timbo or the
>neptunes or even the roots have/had a particular signature
>sound
>
>im still not even sold that theyre very good songwriters,
>theyre more vibewriters, which is why they work well with
>erykah, cos she is about songwriting

Just don't listen to the schitt. Who's supposed to SELL you on these guys individual talents when they're grinding on interesting albums (Channel Orange, New Amerykah Pts. I & II, A Love For Sale, Thundercats solo work).

If I see Thundercat & Om'mas or Shafiq & Om'mas or Thundercat & Shafiq or Taz & Om'mas on ANYBODIES schitt...I'm checking to see what it is and how they're bringing it, what they're doing this time, has it evolved, which pocket are they coming out of.

That's all the proof their is.

All this "Portlandia meets the Matrix" styled burden you guys put on musicians gets annoying. "Vibes?/Songs?"... "Was this chicken a happy chicken?" ... "Is Neo the chosen one?"

For all the people who ran around proclaiming to be up under the "Neo-Soul" banner...none of the ones I like (Erykah, Bilal, D'angelo) seemed to give two schitts about Kedar's Barnum & Bailey marketing trope.

I'm almost 100% certain that internally the music business sucks because it's run by marketing dummies who run around trying to catch yesterday's lightening in a bottle...and they've trained the audience to think and anticipate music in these bullschitt formulas & gimmicks...then the folks who are really working at creating something that speaks to them/for them/to their inspirations end up trampled beneath the machines.

Not to say...Sa-Ra is the Brill Building, Muscle Shoals or Motown, but I do look for them on say someone like Erykah's work (largely because they brought in Thundercat who is the best element her music has ever had added to her initial sound) before I'm looking for ?uest & James Poyser. Their schitt was dope...the label wanted to push those tepid safe "Honey" & "Lil' Wayne" angles at their veal pinned cud chewing audience.

The question is will these guys maintain the edge they've been cultivating in their "undergroundness" now that they're bubbling up more and more directly into the mainstream and being recognized for it.

s.blak
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i loved the thundercat album and nu amerykah 1, am lukewarm on channel orange, but yeah, im not a hardcore sara follower like i was. the thing that makes them harder to follow (though admittedly, maybe im just not paying enough attention) is that they dont just write and produce and give out songs to artists like your average R&B writer/producer, it seems pretty flexible and cos of that, pretty up and down and dependent on who theyre working with (which isnt a bad thing - it means they dont overpower the artist). i guess i should separate their collaborations from what they release under their own names but that seems pretty erratic imo - i mean, is that song 'girl is a player' meant to be special somehow? i know that anyone who puts out a lot is going to be erratic w/r/t quality control but a fair amount of what i hear seems kinda throwaway.

if ocean wasnt down with OF and the 'im gay... sort of...' PR never happened, would anyone have cared as much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z5HXC58oR8
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

so its all related.

BUT. I kinda like Orange Whip.

Dude can't sing for schitt really. But he's a lil' diva tellin' some great stories in his lil' half nasal range/half "I heard 80's Stevie". I didn't really pay too much attention to that first album. It was just another lil' nasal R&B "Himbo" coo-ing and yearning through about four notes per song. I listened because of the O.F,G,W,K,T>A>. When I realized it was wimpy R&B, I skimmed til' I heard "Hotel California". Laughed Out Loud! And put it in the recycling bin.

Next thing I know he's got a hit.

Next thing I know Om"mas had pictures of dude in the studio working on Orange Creamsicle.

I'm as impartial on this cat as you can get... especially when I say that I only listened to Orange Chicken because of Om'mas' involvement.

I wanted to hate.

But I kept going back and listening to see what dude was on sonically & as his overall narrative.

I ended up really liking "Super Rich Kids", "Crack Rock", "White" (and I really can't stand John Mayer...but...-shrug-), "Pink Matter", "Forrest Gump".

Then the gay stuff hits.

I catch dude on Fallon and I'm just like, "Fuck It, Until this nigga is switching and popping his wrists. I can't hate on this too hard".

I kinda think the parts I like are 60% Frank Ocean, 40% The Producers of Orange County.

I mean it's whatever...but don't dismiss the music like it's not even there.

s.blak
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i like a couple of songs, but he basically has only one whiny sing-song melody.

actually its between being whiny and sounding sanctimonious, like hes not trying to preach but he just HAS to. which would be okay if he was actually something very important but im not sure he is. he sounds like hes constantly shrugging at the weight of it all or like hes too cool to show he cares. he could actually do with LESS hip nonchalance.

but basically, i still remember musiq, im not sure i really need frank ocean all that much.

really though, the whole fake-gay announcment pissed me off. yeah its great he sparked so much discussion and brave to say he sort of/maybe/kind of fancied a man once... way back in the past.... but he didnt even say he was gay lol. im still waiting for da brat, trina, missy and who knows who else to come out. cos they actually ARE gay.

>i like a couple of songs, but he basically has only one whiny
>sing-song melody.
>
>actually its between being whiny and sounding sanctimonious,
>like hes not trying to preach but he just HAS to. which would
>be okay if he was actually something very important but im not
>sure he is. he sounds like hes constantly shrugging at the
>weight of it all or like hes too cool to show he cares. he
>could actually do with LESS hip nonchalance.
>
>but basically, i still remember musiq, im not sure i really
>need frank ocean all that much.
>
>really though, the whole fake-gay announcment pissed me off.
>yeah its great he sparked so much discussion and brave to say
>he sort of/maybe/kind of fancied a man once... way back in the
>past.... but he didnt even say he was gay lol. im still
>waiting for da brat, trina, missy and who knows who else to
>come out. cos they actually ARE gay.
>
>
Dude, What the hell are you talking about? There are only two things in the world, truth or falsehood.. Your comments would lead ones to think you say good things about the music only to set up a platform to bash it because thats how you really feel, so you can't look like a hater.. So throw a few seeminly flattering comments. I see you clearly. With love, You may spend too much time on here or you are a artist with an alias really just hating in private.. We love you though.. Peace

Believe What You Dont See!

>Dude, What the hell are you talking about? There are only two
>things in the world, truth or falsehood.. Your comments would
>lead ones to think you say good things about the music only to
>set up a platform to bash it because thats how you really
>feel, so you can't look like a hater.. So throw a few seeminly
>flattering comments. I see you clearly. With love, You may
>spend too much time on here or you are a artist with an alias
>really just hating in private.. We love you though.. Peace

it could be exactly as i wrote it, in plain english. there are things i like about frank ocean's album... and there are things i dont like. its that simple. sometimes, things arent in pure black or white, there are greys in between.

honestly, artists shouldnt lurk on message boards, especially when it comes to discussions of artists/songs theyre attached to in some form, its almost always a bad idea. you are too far inside the industry to see it from the perspective of anyone outside it.

its not like channel orange is some small little niche indie project that needs all the support it can get - its a massive major label release with a massive campaign and massive critical goodwill behind it - it got (an unbelievable) 9.5 on pitchfork for gods sake. a few people 'hating' on it on a message board arent going to hurt that. what all of this means, in case youre wondering, is that i am almost legally obligated to puncture the hype.

You're addressing the "HYPE".

That's my main problem with your "cattiness" in this post.

You're dismissing the music a little too hard...then "like some of it", then ramping back up on the surrounding hype.

If you can't talk about the music outside of injecting pitchfork and press releases in favor of YOU being an asshole...what are you really bringing to the message board?

I'm not feeling any of YOUR "puncturing the hype", you're just being a lame contrarian.

But fuck it...do you.

s.blak
Do. You.

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on here.

why youre leaping to sa-ra's defence like one of their personal PR bodyguards im not sure but i spoke on their music already. maybe not in depth but last time i checked there was no law against flippancy.

i talked about channel orange's publicity and reviews cos its one of the most high profile R&B albums of the last year and that plays a pretty big part in how its seen.... if you think it doesnt, well, im happy for you.

as youre so intent on hearing my thoughts on The Music, they would include the words samey, dreary, muzaky, moany, aspirationally deep. hes got a nice sympathetic voice, wants to be sincere, theres some cool ambitions/ideas and unusual imagery on songs like pyramids and its nice to hear someone in R&B reaching for some old-school depth but it often just sounds like the dream or ne-yo trying to get impressionistic. the lingering feeling i get from channel orange is someone trying really hard and earnestly to say something profound about his life, his generation and so on, but ending up a bit shallow and narcissistic. which perhaps DOES end up saying something profound about his generation after all.

honestly id rather listen to miguel, or if out and proud R&B singers are the latest hip accessory for kids who dont normally like R&B, id prefer to put on donnies first album, which also does the stevie thing but without all the mopiness.

I also defend my positions here strongly against folks that clearly want to "parrot" some general consensus (either a coalition here or based on the feelings of the ubquitous "streets"), if you really think that is "catty" you are clearly delusional.

The only position you've held in THIS post is your overall bored & dismissive tone about the record. Which you've padded with faint but vague praise...followed by more dismissive vinegar. I personally could give a fuck how you feel,but I would expect you could express yourself without sounding like a catty sourpuss. But hey...if that's how you feel...now you've had the pleasure of telling not just me, but Shafiq as well. Isn't that a feather in your cap.

>why youre leaping to sa-ra's defence like one of their
>personal PR bodyguards im not sure but i spoke on their music
>already. maybe not in depth but last time i checked there was
>no law against flippancy.

there's THAT cattiness again... it's too bad you can't just own that schitt instead of coming at me crazy because I'm seriously trying to talk about "the music".
Sure Channel Orange is a big album. I'm focusing on one of the key members of Sar-Ra & Channel Orange.
YOU came in here flippant and dismissive...THEN upped "The Lessons : Official Let's Schitt on Channel Orange" post (which I JUST saw because I don't ever open 'Tim the Creator' posts).

>i talked about channel orange's publicity and reviews cos its
>one of the most high profile R&B albums of the last year and
>that plays a pretty big part in how its seen.... if you think
>it doesnt, well, im happy for you.

Yeah that still ain't talking about the music. I don't like Drake AT ALL... I listen to his records once just to see if I'm missing anything. I don't camp out like a troll under a bridge on the internet wondering how Drake's P.R. is affecting people.
Know why? I don't like his music.

but wait...here's what we've been waiting for:
>as youre so intent on hearing my thoughts on The Music, they
>would include the words samey, dreary, muzaky, moany,
>aspirationally deep. hes got a nice sympathetic voice, wants
>to be sincere, theres some cool ambitions/ideas and unusual
>imagery on songs like pyramids and its nice to hear someone in
>R&B reaching for some old-school depth but it often just
>sounds like the dream or ne-yo trying to get impressionistic.
>the lingering feeling i get from channel orange is someone
>trying really hard and earnestly to say something profound
>about his life, his generation and so on, but ending up a bit
>shallow and narcissistic. which perhaps DOES end up saying
>something profound about his generation after all.

So which part did you like? Hearing yourself type and smirking about how clever it really isn't? You could've been on to something if you provided some contrast to all of the boredom you suffered being bored by Channel Orange...but you STILL HAVEN'T. Now you want to dismiss me. Nigga, FUCK YOU. Not the kid,bitch.
And nope that's not catty. That's keeping your passive agressive schitt with ME in check.

Wait...you still talking. Let's see what you talkin'?

>honestly id rather listen to miguel, or if out and proud R&B
>singers are the latest hip accessory for kids who dont
>normally like R&B, id prefer to put on donnies first album,
>which also does the stevie thing but without all the mopiness.
>

Oh...you're still mad because of dudes sexuality. That's what you're STUCK on.
I'm sorry that's the case. You listen to Donnie because you can check off the "is gay" "didn't have all the annoying gay hype" boxes.

Yeah, I don't listen to music like that.

And it's no wonder I haven't really had any memorable discussions with you in 12+ yrs. here.

s.blak
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all youre saying repeatedly is 'i dont like your tone'. or 'this is what i do... why cant you do what i do? this is how i post - why cant you post the way i post?' THIS IS BECAUSE I AM NOT YOU.

i do not feel the urge to tell you all the nice and positive things about the record. THIS IS BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE IT.

i have heard it several times as i have read lots about it and it seems like something i would usually like so i was excited to hear it but it turns out after listening to it, I DO NOT LIKE CHANNEL ORANGE.

THIS IS WHY I AM NOT POSTING NICE THOUGHTS ABOUT CHANNEL ORANGE.

hopefully this has made some things clearer.

and yes this is a 'catty' post.

if you dont like it then stop fucking reading and pressing the reply button.

thats all you have to do.

>post #20 : "agent orange was severely overrated" © Gumdrops McChanclas

>post #24 : "its not terrible i like a couple of songs, but he basically has only one whiny >sing-song melody. " © Gumdrops McChanclas

>post#33 : "there are things i like about frank ocean's album... and there are things i dont >like. its that simple. sometimes, things arent in pure black or white, there are greys in >between." © Gumdrops McChanclas

>post#37 : "as youre so intent on hearing my thoughts on The Music, they would include >the words samey, dreary, muzaky, moany, aspirationally deep. hes got a nice sympathetic >voice, wants to be sincere, theres some cool ambitions/ideas and unusual imagery on >songs like pyramids and its nice to hear someone in R&B reaching for some old-school >depth but it often just sounds like the dream or ne-yo trying to get impressionistic. the >lingering feeling i get from channel orange is someone trying really hard and earnestly to >say something profound about his life, his generation and so on, but ending up a bit >shallow and narcissistic. which perhaps DOES end up saying something profound about >his generation after all." © Gumdrops McChanclas

>honestly id rather listen to miguel, or if out and proud R&B singers are the latest hip >accessory for kids who dont normally like R&B, id prefer to put on donnies first album, >which also does the stevie thing but without all the mopiness. © Gumdrops McChanclas

>post#45 : "i do not feel the urge to tell you all the nice and positive things about the >record. THIS IS BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE IT." © Gumdrops De La Flipflops

You camped out up in this post confused & angry, posting like you got your shirt tied in a knot exposing your midriff, mad cause m.f.'s is trying to figure out what the fuck you talking about in regards to an album,bitch? F'rill?

Get that big Hershey bar and go lay down,girl. You ain't built for no kind of music discussion.

Then you try to play me out when you looking like an emo-ass fool?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!


s.blak
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im beginning to understand youre obviously a little bit challenged, a bit simple perhaps? i cant think of any other reason why someone would need the same point to be explained to them so repeatedly. maybe something is lost over the atlantic. or maybe its just that you dont understand an opinion unless its explained in the most obvious, basic, a-b-c terms. but thats all fine. hope you can unbunch your mr tough guy panties. im done here.

funny how you telling me about "hysterics"...just like you're talking about Frank Ocean trying to sound like somebody "with something important to say", when in actuality it appears you're up in this post grumpy and pissy needing all the attention to be on you.

F.Y.I.- In the future when people are discussing music and ASK YOU WHAT YOU LIKE AFTER YOU SAY YOU LIKE SOMETHING... it's not farfetched that they would inquire about WHAT YOU LIKED...You DID NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, young lady. In fact you took the opportunity to try to sound as much like an apathetic pissy pants who barely even discussed the music found on the recording. Ain't nobody asking you about no fucking articles or surrounding hype, motherfucker. We talking about Om'mas role on the record. How many times was that made clear?

Yet, I'm "part of Sa-Ra's P.R. team"?, I'm "working for Frank Ocean"?, I'm "Hysterical"?

Not quite.

You my friend are just another jaded lessonhead, believing that your contribution to this peanut gallery needs to maintain some sort of "brand". Well, homie...even if that were true, you've done a piss poor job upholding the "Lessonhead Contrarian Torch" this round.
You wanted to drag your ass in here and be the alpha-log on another "Hate On Channel Orange" post, after you've already fagged out in another post about that very subject.

Glad to see you've gathered enough sense to make your way out of this post because you weren't contributing schitt. Though I rather enjoyed you coming in and playing the company fool. Wouldn't be OKP without one,right?

Toodles, confused bitch.

Tough Guy? #Naw, Orkin Man, hoe.

s.blak
City Pulse

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>if ocean wasnt down with OF and the 'im gay... sort of...' PR
>never happened, would anyone have cared as much?
Based on reading your threads about Sa-Ra altogether.. you have a problem with the music we do. I've read thru the chat & what I have gathered you still don't get what we are doing & you definitely don't understand the music industry or can't make the distinction between "industry politics" or "just being creative" You said in one sentence we we are not songwriters, but then turn and say we work with "songwriters" (Badu)??? Do you really want Stevie Wonder to put out a Golden Lady every time he comes? or every time he produces & writes for someone else it's "Perfect Angel"? Really.. I think you work with what you have and with other artist you have to get into their world as well..It's not always about you ,as the producer.

Believe What You Dont See!

>Based on reading your threads about Sa-Ra altogether.. you
>have a problem with the music we do. I've read thru the chat &
>what I have gathered you still don't get what we are doing &
>you definitely don't understand the music industry or can't
>make the distinction between "industry politics" or "just
>being creative" You said in one sentence we we are not
>songwriters, but then turn and say we work with "songwriters"
>(Badu)??? Do you really want Stevie Wonder to put out a Golden
>Lady every time he comes? or every time he produces & writes
>for someone else it's "Perfect Angel"? Really.. I think you
>work with what you have and with other artist you have to get
>into their world as well..It's not always about you ,as the
>producer.

i dont have a 'problem' with you or sa-ra. what i have said is that there are some things i dont like that much. thats my right as a listener. i would like to, but i dont have to unconditionally love everything you guys do. i love erykah badu but do i regard every single album of hers as a classic? no.

of course i dont expect you to hit it out the park every single time, but if you can admit that not everything you do is going to be a 'hollywood', then i can point that out too.

as for 'its not always about you as a producer', again, youre basically agreeing with what i already said about you guys working more like session-musician-collaborators than someone like the neptunes who pretty much gave their songs out more or less ready-made to whoever paid for them.

so, i like what you guys do and im glad youre still around, i just dont love every single thing you do, sorry. im pretty sure you didnt adore every single thing prince, sly or stevie ever touched. but thanks for stopping by.

s.blak
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it becomes simply another recourse appropriated by the colonizer

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If you like modern sounding records with lots of cymbals played with fuzzy mallets, lots of 808's and reconfigured/repurposed electric shekere and lots of chimes and don't really pay attention to schitt...this record might be right up your alley.

It's clear Om'mas is a student of the Purple One. I hear it in his vocal phrasing and the way he stacks his harmonies. Yet the material on this album is like cold water and instant coffee...yeah, it's brown, yeah it's wet, and smells like coffee...but there's no brewing. Much like the questionable source of a lot of latter day Prince material...it's a mystery what inspired this material from this person/artist. Was it a dare? Is he in songwriter/producer demo mode? How is this supposed to fall in line with the previous output from this person? Either way, it's an awkward album for me considering I thought I had some sort of bead on this artist. Either way it's a bag of groceries presented as a meal and man oh man this schitt ain't hardly cooked.


Slow Motion • Extra Swirly sequencing and some saw tooth synths. Never been a fan of this sort of manic production. Is this T-Pain's Uncle? Is this futuristic for the "Grown & Sexy"? Iiiiii Dooooonnnnn'tTTT KnnnooooOOOOOWWW about this record, already.

Pulse of the City • I like the vibe of this one and the strings. On this track Om'mass is doing his Donald Fagen voice.

Uh-Oh It's Love • Om'mas breaks out the auto-tune and gets sub-aquatic on this one with 808's and more electronic shekere. I don't know what he's talking about on this song. I could see someone like Cee-Lo making Goodie Mob fans REALLY fucking mad on a track like this. This woul

Whatever You Want • This is what every Justin Timberlake song sounds like to me. I know it sounds really racists, but I could totally see Asians (here and in Asia) really vibing to this. It's like all the uptempo R&B songwriting/production devices getting pulled out for a display by James Bond's "Q" (prolonged vowels in the overemphasized "You's", stacked harmonies to add meaning, mutiple vocalist, a sequenced tambourine pattern that adds a lot of lowest common denominator) A special shout out to the melody to "Spider-Man & his Amazing Friends" showing up in the chorus. This song really has me wanting to do a Kool-Aid man styled escape from my speakers. This song really captures what R&B ventured off into in it's 80's yearning to crossover era.

Explode • More auto-tuned Om'mas. This sounds like Will.I.Am demo-ing material for anybody from a boy band trying to round up some solo material. The words "Club","Whassup" "Crib" & "Did" should never EVER be in a first verse EVER again. This is pop songwriting 101. When Rebecca Black is ready for her rebellious /independent album (a la Janet Jackson's "Control") this will get her wait up to at least Paula Abdul status.
A rough 3:37 seconds.

You Know What I Like • Swirly sequencer. Engage. Heavy Delay on the snare. Engage. Set the navigator to "futuristic soul". Save track for robotic response vocal track. There's really nothing else to say about this song.

You're The Only One 4 Me • MORE AUTO-TUNE?!?!?! This album sounds like Mazerati got back together and were just fucking hellbent on getting on every Power 97 Clear Channel station in America. No album since that Timbaland/Chris Cornell joint has induced this much cringing. Wow.

The Luckiest One • Initially the beat is giddy like Stevie's "Happy Birthday". The female vocalist throughout the album is pretty generic. Again...the songwriting/production sounds pretty "fodder-y". This song is the audio version of a double-breasted shark skin parachute pants suit.

All Alone With You • Aww Schitt...Is this Om'mas "Hot Thang"? It's rare that a record makes you wonder, "What ever happened to O'Bryan?" But...I've actually started tuning this material out. And I'm actually listening to it for reviewing purposes.

U Know I Want U • I think we're involved in a "suite" right now. For the video I'd have Om'mas in an arcade with a london fog windbreaker on with the sleeves pushed up, sunglasses...it's dark in the arcade. The premise is he's trying to get some tokens...but all of his bills are too janky to process through the token machine. Then Om'mas would be walking around the arcade looking for someone that works there. Then it'd be over and nobody would ever want to hear this song or see the video again. (chopped & screwed "Faded Lady" on the outro though)

China White • Jeez. Y'all remember when Jerome Benton was supposed to have an album after "The Family" tanked? I wonder if his album would've been this dull. Like seriously this material is up there with Sheila E. "Sex Cymbal" caliber material.

All 4 You • This schitt sounds like a Sa-Ra tune outtake. And look Shafiq & Erykah showed up. Is that my man, Thundercat hiding in the mix? It's frustrating to say that this song isn't as frustrating as everything that came before it. But the material ahead of this song only set you up for more bad material. So know I'm shaking off the haze like, "Oh yeah...this is Om'mas solo album".

In This Town • This intro sounds like the opening for a Cannon Group film, "Good Guys Wear Black" perhaps. By the time the vocals kick in...I'm thinking my coffee is ready. What happened to all of Om'mas chops that I've seen him display on keys, drums, bass? As much as I can't stand Dam Funk...I'm ready to see if this makes me as mad as Dam Funk's music does. Jeez...or not.

Sugar Lady • Remember in the 80's when everybody else got a Linn drum? This song sounds like Om'mas pulled some strings and set the time machine for 1986 and took the Jonzun Crew with him.

Heatwave • This song could have been more interesting to me if the riddim of the sequencer had a smidgen of "stomp" on it. But it doesn't and just ends up as a swirly coda to the rest of the swirly-ness & the cliches.


I still like Om'mas and Sa-Ra. I have an even better understanding of what each brings to the table now with this album. I'm sure many will enjoy this with zero problems, but for me this album didn't even have elements I'm interested in revisiting at a later date. Which sucks when someone who's work you are actively curious about and you respect, but the joint just has to hit the recycling bin before it's just eating up disk space...sometimes thems the breaks.

s.blak
Break It Up, Break It Up, Break It Up...BREAK DOWN

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>I still like Om'mas and Sa-Ra. I have an even better understanding of what each brings to
the table now with this album.

Exactly what I thought when I heard it. I love Sa-Ra, and I don't hate Om'mas' album (or Taz's album either, actually) but it seems like I'll only really get excited for Shafiq projects from here on out.

loved the 12inches
their remixes of Spacek and Roots Manuva, excellent
loved Hollywood Recordings
was let down, but appreciated Nuclear Evolution
*by the way anyone got a CDQ of "Big Fame"
the stuff they did for Erykah and Bilal was fantastic
En A Free Ka is one of the 5-10 best albums since 2008 (5yrs)
Ommas work on ChannelOrange = Dope

this shit... smmfh. meandering, as imvcspl put it above not mature, half-stepping pop excursions, with lil' hints of that slumbering yet kinetic psychedelic funk that made me love these dude's music.

i almost feel i need to listen to the instrumentals alone to properly asses this shit

I had to put on the O.G. CD-R joint just to clear my head.

I don't know what this record was supposed to be. HAHAHAHAHA, but any cohesion with any of his previous work is barely visited here. This is some "Submit Materials to Ashley Simpson" joints. Dumbed down to the very dumbest compound.
On some, "Oh word?" © Beastie Boys.

"WHOA of the Year Om'mas Keith". But technically...since he gave it away, he gets a mulligan.
HAHAHAHAHA x ∞

s.blak
Yikes

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i'm sure he's made a lot of industry ties over the years, but IDK, it sure does sound like Qmmas saw like hmmmm maybe this will be a deep cut on lady Gaga's album, or Gwen Stefani's solo and than when they passed he was like aight imma string these together drop the shit for free

imma give it one more listen before Bowl time. i'll be back with more thought, or maybe madder

album.

it's jokes. thanks for your insider info though. plain and simple this shit was not good and just cause it's free doesn't mean we can't discuss it

got some tracks.

Just curious?

Would you have been happy if you purchased this record?

s.blak
Rosebuds

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>
>Just curious?

U know I want u....You're the only one for me...All for you....sugar lady....

>
>Would you have been happy if you purchased this record?
>
purchased?? what's that??

seriously though.... I was a free Ep.... not really judging it as if it's an official album he's putting out for purchase.

I was very underwhelmed with the rest of the record.

replay value.

I'm gonna listen to this album one more time before it hits the external HD (the mojave).

s.blak
More Thundercat, Y'all

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This album is growing on me.

It helps that Ommas laced us with acapellas and instrumentals, they give a different perspective on the album.

My favourite tracks so far

1) All of you - Classic SA RA feel

2) Pulse of the City - I digs the vocal arrangement and lyrics.

3) Sugar Lady - Love the 80s vibe

4) Uh Oh Its Love - The 'club banger' with autotune is not corny here.

5) You're the Only One for Me - My favourite chorus in the album.

6) You know I want You - The porn of it all. I digs that SA RA element

These are just off the top of the dome. The album keeps on surprising me and I am sure there are more track I am gonna fucks with.

I appreciate the 'packaging' of this FREE album, the lyrics book, the different album covers for the instrus and acappellas. I am loving the sampled dialogues from Jackie Brown and others I havent able to id.

This is a classic SA RA release even though its a solo release. SA RA has never been easy on the ears of the masses.

Ommas thank you for releasing this for free.

ha!

open up ur mindgrapes.
its quality.

V.

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thats my favorite joint.

Hey what’s up everybody?? Man, I haven’t been on Okayplayer’s message boards for years but it’s Friday night and I’m bored with a lil 1738 in my system so I thought I’d pass thru. I just want to clear up a potential misconception about City Pulse. Om’Mas and I are close friends and I was there throughout the making of City Pulse, I was also part of The Hollywood Recordings and Nuclear Evolution as well so I speak from firsthand knowledge. My advice is not to look at City Pulse as an example of Om’Mas' production. Like most artists releasing music, Om’Mas took this as an opportunity to bring in friends and colleagues to work with him on putting this together. Even though some of these songs are direct results of Om’Mas' repertoire, most of them are not. Quite a few katz helped produce this project, myself included so this is really more of a collaborative effort and that is exactly what Om’Mas was going for. If you noticed, he never released a full booklet crediting everyone who participated on this project and I wasn’t too thrilled about that but he gave it to the people for free so I would say just to enjoy it and appreciate it for what it is and not dissect it for what you probably didn’t even know it was supposed to be. -Peace

What if people say they really enjoyed it? Is that cool? It sounds like yall had a good time and just put it out. Wasn't like something that was to be held as a classic timeless moment in history. I get it.

Like where do I know this name from?

Then when I was cleaning out the closet I found this mixtape this guy made for my wife in high school. Actually wasn't a mixtape, it was a song that dude wrote and produced for her. with her name in the chorus and everything.

I showed the tape to my wife and she was like oh yeah he was a nice guy and I pointed out you know that guy is a grammy award winning music producer now?!?! Good times.

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