Ashley Ayers Member since Dec 12th 2009 12331 posts
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5. "Not bad at all." In response to Reply # 0 Tue Jan-01-13 08:14 PM by Ashley Ayers
No Hook, Ignorant Shit, Say Hello, Success, and Blue Magic are my faves, but the tape is dope enough to listen to front to back... cool laid-back listen. I definitely prefer the following version of Pray though, even though it's not official http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKclJI4zpE
18. "RE: Not bad at all." In response to Reply # 5
i agree about the other pray remix too! Guess its because when i hear the beat he used this time, i'm hearing marsha ambrosius. But its pretty dope for the most part, glad he kept success how it was from the unofficial and brought back blue magic. didn't too much like party life or hello brooklyn but overall he kept it pretty cohesive. but i wonder where roc boys is, would've liked to hear some new horns on that.
9. "Haha. Well...most rappers write like that, I'd think." In response to Reply # 8 Wed Jan-02-13 10:19 AM by Brew
I can't imagine many rappers being like "well I'll write to this beat but I also want to be sure my lyrics and flow are ambiguous enough to fit the remix albums that are sure to be made in 5 years..."
But, all joking aside, I do get what you mean in a larger, more general context, as this is why I have trouble with remix albums of any kind for the most part. Once you get used to lyrics set to the original/right beat, it's hard to hear it in a different context no matter how dope the beat is or how well the beat-maker fits the beat to the lyrics.
>Because Jay-z typically writes to a specific beat as he hears >it, these remixes very rarely sound right. > >************************
11. "Kind of, but what I mean is.." In response to Reply # 9
And this is at the risk of starting a Jay/Nas war, but Nas' flow is much easier to lift off one track and lay over another. It's that formulaic. Jay's flow tends to adapt to different parts of beats and as such can get kind of erratic on a different beat.
Take Hovi Baby...or even Roc Boys. There'll be a lot of places where if you hadn't heard the OG version you'd be wondering why he said that line like that...or why he paused there...etc.
12. "Word." In response to Reply # 11 Wed Jan-02-13 12:22 PM by Brew
I certainly wouldn't ever call Nas' flow "formulaic," but I definitely agree that Jay does a lot more than Nas, and a bunch of other rappers, of stopping at certain parts in beats, and using the beat to kind of dictate the way he says things. No question about that IMO.
Ashley Ayers Member since Dec 12th 2009 12331 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 01:21 PM
14. "See this is where I think it's remixer more than the flow." In response to Reply # 11
What's formulaic is 9th's beat-making. Not that I'm knocking him, but he makes a beat at a certain bpm and calls it a remix. Really good remixing adapts to the flow rather than just throwing a different beat under it, imo.
17. "Your both kinda right " In response to Reply # 14
but its is up to the remixer to find what the rapper was rhyming to in orginal song. Sometimes rappers use the hi hit, or the snare, or even the melody. So if you can lock into that element and build your beat around that...your good.
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16. "RE: Haha. Well...most rappers write like that, I'd think." In response to Reply # 9
>I can't imagine many rappers being like "well I'll write to >this beat but I also want to be sure my lyrics and flow are >ambiguous enough to fit the remix albums that are sure to be >made in 5 years..." > >But, all joking aside, I do get what you mean in a larger, >more general context, as this is why I have trouble with remix >albums of any kind for the most part. Once you get used to >lyrics set to the original/right beat, it's hard to hear it in >a different context no matter how dope the beat is or how well >the beat-maker fits the beat to the lyrics. > >>Because Jay-z typically writes to a specific beat as he >hears >>it, these remixes very rarely sound right. >> >>************************ >
you're absolutely right about this. but i think the remix he did to "My 1st Song" out did the original by a long shot. everything about 9th's beat captured what Jay was trying to express. from beginning to end, even how it fades out. i didn't listen much to american gangster, but i'm going to check out his remixes to the tracks i listened to, to see how he interpreted them.
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19. "pretty good." In response to Reply # 0 Mon Jan-07-13 09:14 AM by Dr Claw
this was one Jay album that didn't need a total remix, however:
"Pray", "Hello Brooklyn" and "Ignorant Shit" were immediate upgrades; in the case of the first two listed, they turned them to "listenable" ("Hello Brooklyn" especially even WITH Wayne's bullshit). In the case of "Ignorant Shit", it really sounds like it should have been the original beat...Jay and Beans sound like they were rhyming to that beat from jump.
like that 9th stuck with a theme with the beats that wasn't too far off the original album. one of 'em sounded like a recycle (think it was on a Murs/9th project?)
in general, it caused me to pay more attention to what Jay-Z was actually saying in each song -- which is the good thing about these remix projects.
22. "I would say that's the best part of the album" In response to Reply # 19
>in general, it caused me to pay more attention to what Jay-Z >was actually saying in each song -- which is the good thing >about these remix projects.
That it made a better platform for Jay-z's lyrics to standout. I liked the original album a lot but there's no denying that not having somebody like 9th Wonder on the album is a loss.
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