Any fans?
One of the first mixed race pop/rock group.
Been in the mood for something different and I've been into this album as of late.

Here's the album on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1L11Y0I5E0



Here's a podcast episode about them:
http://www.studio360.org/2012/nov/30/love-forever-changes/

The year 1967 saw the release of two psychedelic pop masterpieces — one globally famous (the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper), the other nearly forgotten: Forever Changes, by Love. Sometimes referred to as Arthur Lee’s Love, it was one of the first mixed-race bands — “still to this day, you don’t see many bands like that,” notes Maria McKee, the younger sister of Love member Bryan McLean. “If we had been an all-black group,” recalls guitarist Johnny Echols, “we would have been typecast as a blues group or an R&B group, and we didn’t want that.”

Like Sgt. Pepper, Forever Changes was an eclectic record that mixed different '60s elements with symphonic ambitions, including fully orchestrated horn and string sections. McLean and Arthur Lee — both dead now — wrote and sang lead, McLean bringing the folk-rock influence he had acquired as a road manager for The Byrds. But Forever Changes made little impression at the time. Its undercurrent of darkness and paranoia may not have suited the Summer of Love, and it was certainly overshadowed by the Beatles’ great watershed.

But it was in Britain that Forever Changes found its audience, as Maria McKee saw firsthand many years later. “When I was in my band Lone Justice and we performed the first time in London, that was pretty much all anybody wanted to talk about — Love.” As a new generation of American musicians and fans of ‘freak folk’ has rediscovered the lesser-known 1960s, Forever Changes’ reputation continues to rise.

The record was selected for the National Recording Registry in 2012. Telling its story are Johnny Echols, Maria McKee, and the record’s producer, Bruce Botnick.

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The shit gets constant burn right around the time the snow melts and spring is upon us, seems to match the vibe for me..I remember once driving home, about an hour and a half, so it was enough time for about 2-2.5 spins. shit had me zoned the fuck out...

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ive never heard it, but always loved forever changes and da capo. i had always heard the later releases get shit on, so i never checked em out

...sides 2 and 3. Didn't have 1 and 4 until later, but I loved the album. Meanwhile, I read more articles and books that would praise (and continue to praise) FOREVER CHANGES and DA CAPO. I respect those albums, but for me it will always be the album that is looked at as awkward. It may not be "classic Love" but for me it's an incredible listen.


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Very original and compelling album Definitely a fusion of many styles I ear the LA sound of The Doors (the guitars dong what Ray M would play and the Herb Alpert-esque trumpet.The album still sounds fresh almost forty five years later The acoustic guitar playing is excellent particularly on Maybe The People.. and the epic title cut

I had a read an interesting story behind the song Alone Again (not sure where it might have been in liner notes from deluxe cd edition) Or one of two songs on the album not written by Arthur Lee It was written by group member Bryan MacLean Bryan originally sang lead with Arthur singing harmony Arthur then erased Bryan's lead vocal and left his harmony vocal on the track So what we hear is not exactly the melody as it was written There is a live recording of Bryan singing it and it sounds the same as on the Love album It could be that he just adopted the Lee vocal line since that is how every knows the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkME3Hu62U

I've never loved it that much despite playing it several times... it's got a lot of strengths, though. Maybe the phase where I listened to it over and over again, I just wasn't ready for it. Or something.

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>I've never loved it that much despite playing it several
>times... it's got a lot of strengths, though. Maybe the phase
>where I listened to it over and over again, I just wasn't
>ready for it. Or something.

I feel the same way. I just don't understand why this is so loved. Its just really really mediocre music when there were so many better albums by better groups at the time. I just dont get it.

I don't recall it, but I won't say that you're mistaken either.

It's certainly an album I love, and have loved for over a decade. I'm very wishy-washy, and my favorites (of anything) change every few years. I wouldn't call Love Changes my favorite now.

Anyway, since you dragged me out of lurking... any beers or breweries to recommend? I've mostly been doing German and Belgian the past few months. I've tasted a few good Americans. Most notably, Southern Tier's Mocha Stout. I think it was 13%. May be done for the season. Ska's Mole Stout is pretty good. Had the Indra Kunindra from Ballast Point which should have been very good, but I dislike curry.

in an inbox or an archive or somnething. I dunno.

>I don't recall it, but I won't say that you're mistaken
>either.
>
>It's certainly an album I love, and have loved for over a
>decade. I'm very wishy-washy, and my favorites (of anything)
>change every few years. I wouldn't call Love Changes my
>favorite now.

Looking through the 'Lesson All-Time Greatest Artists' post that got re--linked a few weeks back, I also noticed that your #1 was Serge Gainsbourg.


No stalker-o!

>Anyway, since you dragged me out of lurking... any beers or
>breweries to recommend? I've mostly been doing German and
>Belgian the past few months.


Well... I'm not terribly well versed in either; I've probably had more 'domestic Germans' and 'domestic Belgians' than I have of the real thing.

But there's one Belgian a bar near me gets on draft, and it's called Klokke Roeland, and it's a trued delight.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/48/43725

For the record, beers I *love* almost never get super high scores on BA, but beers I just like frequently do. And sometimes beers I just think are okay score high 90s. Weird.

A Belgian that's off the beaten path but blew me away was Achel. I had the 8 bruin. Might be slightly easier to find than Klokke. Am hoping to try some of their other beers someday.

As for Germans, nothing unusual... we had some Warstiners, pils and dunkel. I love a good hefeweizen though so Paulaner, Franziskaner and the like are always great. And we've got some Kulmbacher Eisbock that's great if I'm in the mood for just one beer.

>I've tasted a few good
>Americans. Most notably, Southern Tier's Mocha Stout.

Everything I've had from Southern Tier has been at least very good, but I think I've only had their double IPA and Harvest ales.

Stouts, though, we did a swap and got some doozies. Best of the bunch so far is Bell's Expedition Stout - I'd had their Kalamazoo before, and this is better. Just had a FOunders Breakfast last night, too much coffee for me.

> Had the Indra Kunindra from Ballast
>Point which should have been very good, but I dislike curry.

Hmmm, going against type! Haven't had a curry spiced beer yet, but I do really like the chai & juniper beer from DFH (Sah'Tea). Had Ballast POint's Sculpin IPA (I think that's the name) which was good, but not particularly worth the cost.

Been enjoying a half case of Imperial Hatter from New Holland that I got on deep discount. Double IPA similar to the 90 Minute.

But mostly, I've been enjoying a keg of brown ale I did up in summer of 201 and just got round to cracking. Got a bit too much buckwheat honey in it, which gives it a slightly funky taste, but is still quite good. A version from this summer that I bottled is probably better though. Also did my own triple IPA that came out great, and tried to do a tripel, but it came out amber and has been very slow to carbonate (initial tastings were good though, as far as flat warm beer goes). Have a wheat dubbel in fermenter waiting to be bottled, and am planning a blonde (to be kegged) and an abbey (to be bottled) to follow. If I can find the time.

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>Looking through the 'Lesson All-Time Greatest Artists' post
>that got re--linked a few weeks back, I also noticed that your
>#1 was Serge Gainsbourg.
>
>
>No stalker-o!



I saw that when that got upped. True to the wishy-washy form I mentioned, I would change my list for sure. The top 10 would probably be the same people with some rearranging. Everything after that I'd have to rethink. I thought about doing the list again since I can motivate myself to easily do it in a minute or two. I've learned the best way to make these nerdy music lists is to not think about them.



times beers I just think are okay score high 90s. Weird.
>
>A Belgian that's off the beaten path but blew me away was
>Achel. I had the 8 bruin. Might be slightly easier to find
>than Klokke. Am hoping to try some of their other beers
>someday.


I've seen Achel and have been meaning to try them. I'm glad you mentioned them.


>
>As for Germans, nothing unusual... we had some Warstiners,
>pils and dunkel. I love a good hefeweizen though so Paulaner,
>Franziskaner and the like are always great. And we've got some
>Kulmbacher Eisbock that's great if I'm in the mood for just
>one beer.
>



Franziskaner is good. For some reason Harris Teeter carries it, so that's usually my choice when I don't feel like going to our proper bottle shop and am there. I think Weihenstephan has the best hefe though. For Belgians, I like Rochefort and Westmalle. Unibroue is a French-Canadian brewery that does Belgian. I dare say they are my favorite brewery in North America. Kinda wish I went to their brewery when I was recently in Quebec.

Been meaning to get into some Dutch stuff, too, but they're usually so expensive. Their bottles are always so unique looking.



>>I've tasted a few good
>>Americans. Most notably, Southern Tier's Mocha Stout.
>
>Everything I've had from Southern Tier has been at least very
>good, but I think I've only had their double IPA and Harvest
>ales.



Same. I've had their Oatmeal Stout and Black Ale. Both awesome. I don't usually care for seasonal beer but their PumKing is dope. Theirs and Dogfish Head are the only pumpkin beers I care for. I don't know why people go crazy over that stuff.


>
>Stouts, though, we did a swap and got some doozies. Best of
>the bunch so far is Bell's Expedition Stout - I'd had their
>Kalamazoo before, and this is better. Just had a FOunders
>Breakfast last night, too much coffee for me.
>



I've found Bell's to always be reliable. Founders, on the other hand, tends to be to extreme for my tastes. I like their Rye IPA, and the Cerise. Don't tell anyone, it's a fairly girly beer.



>
>But mostly, I've been enjoying a keg of brown ale I did up in
>summer of 201 and just got round to cracking. Got a bit too
>much buckwheat honey in it, which gives it a slightly funky
>taste, but is still quite good. A version from this summer
>that I bottled is probably better though. Also did my own
>triple IPA that came out great, and tried to do a tripel, but
>it came out amber and has been very slow to carbonate (initial
>tastings were good though, as far as flat warm beer goes).
>Have a wheat dubbel in fermenter waiting to be bottled, and am
>planning a blonde (to be kegged) and an abbey (to be bottled)
>to follow. If I can find the time.



Damn, dude, you need to find some investors and quit your day job.

>
>Damn, dude, you need to find some investors and quit your day
>job.
>


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I and my beer snob friends are generally very happy with what I brew, but man, doing it as a job? A lot of the fun of it for me is messing around with it, making it with an idea rather than a recipe, and that would only work as a nanobrewery charging huge amounts for very limited batches.

Plus, I'd have to learn to BREW, not just make beer from malt extract.

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>
>Plus, I'd have to learn to BREW, not just make beer from malt
>extract.


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>Been meaning to get into some Dutch stuff, too, but they're
>usually so expensive. Their bottles are always so unique
>looking.

if you can stomach paying $15 for a 12-oz bottle, I can recommend Evil Twin Brewing (from Denmark) as well. We've tried a few of their brews (whatever we can get at a local specialty bar with takeout), but the 9th Symphony is the best... it's part of the new 'vinous beer' style, and this one gets a lot of that character from aging in Austrian white wine barrels. Extremely bright and flavorful without getting heavy despite being upwards of 9% or so.


>For Belgians, I like Rochefort and
>Westmalle.

And St. Bernardus, and Orval, and Leffe...

> Unibroue is a French-Canadian brewery that does
>Belgian. I dare say they are my favorite brewery in North
>America. Kinda wish I went to their brewery when I was
>recently in Quebec.

Our local grocery sells their big bottles. Haven't been disappointed yet.

>

I also like a few domestic Belgian-style breweries... Omeggang is very consistent, and I really like their Rare Vos (corked/aged bottles seem better than small bottles), Three Philosophers, Abbey, and Hennepin ales.

Alagash is also great, with probably the best domestic white I've had and one of the best tripels.

Going local, Weyerbacher's Merry MOnks and Victory's Golden Monkey are two of my favorite of the spiced-tripel styles. Mmmmm.

Less locally, I've also liked Goose Island's stronger stuff, especially the Matilde and Sophie. OKP JubgleSouljah introduced me to them.

>Same. I've had their Oatmeal Stout and Black Ale. Both
>awesome. I don't usually care for seasonal beer but their
>PumKing is dope. Theirs and Dogfish Head are the only pumpkin
>beers I care for. I don't know why people go crazy over that
>stuff.

Pumpkin beer, no thanks... I'll drink most of them if that's teh only choice, but not get excited.

>I've found Bell's to always be reliable. Founders, on the
>other hand, tends to be to extreme for my tastes. I like
>their Rye IPA, and the Cerise. Don't tell anyone, it's a
>fairly girly beer.

Hey, I like the fruit lambics, too... That Kasteel rouge tastes like black cherry wishniak (PA regional soda flavor). Delicious.

>Damn, dude, you need to find some investors and quit your day
>job.

Nah, it's like music... I love to make it, but doing it as a job would be tough and take some of the fun out of it.

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And that only works when you view it in retrospect.

I think Allmusic actually had a valid point in their review of it when they say, "one of the few major works of its era that saw the dark clouds looming on the cultural horizon, and the result was music that was as prescient as it was compelling."

The arrangements are the star of the show. The two previous Love albums were basically Byrds ripoff albums (rather good, even then). But Forever Changes has that big LA studio sheen on it that's (for people like me) a very big draw. Lush horn charts, melancholy string backings; a very "big idea" presentation. Very much akin to the similar stuff David Axelrod was doing across town in Capitol Studio B.

Perfect fall/autumn album.

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and sometimes when I hear one of the FC songs out of context, I say 'damn, that's a good song.'

I'll get around to giving it another listen.

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>The two previous
>Love albums were basically Byrds ripoff albums (rather good,
>even then).

The debut does sound very Byrdsy even if there is a Stonesy garage-rock edge that the Byrds never even bothered with; it rocks much more than the Byrds with a few exceptions.

However, "Da Capo" was a truly visionary album and I'm not just referring to the tedious side-long blues-jam. You have to remember that this record was released in january 67 and finished months before that so it is in essence a 1966 album and should be treated as such (George Starostin's dumb ass missed this and also claimed that Forever Changes was a 68 album which he used as an excuse to give Love an originality rating of 1 out of 5 on his stupid, "objective" page). If you listen to the songs on the first side, the way the band use exotic instruments and unusual arrangements as well as influences from flamenco, jazz etc. in the songs put them way ahead of the Byrds in that regard; "5th dimension", for all its proto-psych, raga tendencies was still very much a guitar-based folk-rock album and if you think about it, it wasn't really until "the Notorious Byrds brothers" that they really started to experiment texturally.

Anyway, I love the first three Love records-all amongst the best of the 60's IMO in spite of some bad songs on the debut and the tedious blues-jam on "Da Capo"...

Like if someone had never heard Love before and you were just looking for a quick touchstone of what they probably already know, I'd think a response like, "They sound like a more garagey Byrds" would be pretty close.

And yeah, since you brought it up and since I don't really know them beyond their hits, what's a good pre-Sticky Fingers Stones album? I have the US version of Between the Buttons and I like it a lot, so go from there, I guess?

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Flowers is not a real album. However, it collects some of the UK-only tracks from "Aftermath" and "Between..." as well as some singles, outtakes etc. It's the fruitiest Rolling Stones album ever and I don't mean that as a diss. Basically, if you don't care too much for the blues/rawk aspect of the stones, that album delivers. just be aware that there are some duplicates with ''Beetween the buttons''

Otherwise, ''Aftermath'' should be the one for you, just be aware that the UK and US track-listing are very different (look it up on wiki). For me who aquired all my stones-stuff on vinyl, I've come to realize that stones on vinyl (=here in europe) is very different from Stones on cd ¤(the cd's use the US tracklistings) before ''Beggars...'' so it's hard for me to discuss this shit in terms of albums. I know you are a crate-digger and thus will find the US vinyls so it's a bit difficult...

Of course, Let it bleed is the best pre-sticky... Stones album but I'm not sure you'll dig that one... It's their best though IMO

And hey, no offense taken. Nothing wrong with knowing your audience.

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