Got into this debate at the barber shop the other day and to be honest I always thought MOP's best album was their 2nd banger "Firing Squad" when they linked up with Primo but a lot of dudes were actually talking First Family For Life and To the Death and to be honest I could see First Fam or even Warriorz but I couldn't see cats saying To the Death is their best album but it is what it is but what ya'll think? I also put together a best of MOP mix if cats are in the mood to get hype up...

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Poll result (36 votes) To The Death (1 votes) Vote Firing Squad (12 votes) Vote First Family For Life (5 votes) Vote Warriorz (17 votes) Vote Marxmen Cinema (1 votes) Vote Foundation (0 votes) Vote

Firing Squad is dope as well, but I think First Fam is better all around.

Breaking The Rules
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Down 4 Whatever
I Luv
Salute Pt 2
Handle Ur Bizness
Hill Figga
Downtown Swinga 98
Brooklyn/Jersey Get Wild
New York Salue

Are ALL bangers.

Downtown Swinga '96 is my second favorite MOP joint after Salute Pt 2 though.

That Handle Ur Bizness EP that dropped before First Fam had some bangers on it as well. 2 songs on there, Way of the World and Cold World should've been on First Fam as well.

You know what? THis is gonna sound a lil off but I feel you on First Fam for Life and it MAY be a better album but there's just something about Firing Squad. IDK if First Fam has more bangers but Firing Squad's bangers I think are better if that makes sense. It seemed like they got a hold of Primo when he was in a zone cause everything Primo touched on that album was just CLASSIC! I think First Fam has more bangers but to me none of em are really touching the songs of Firing Squad. If that makes ANY sense lol!

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Firing Squad is so dope.

I just think First Fam is a bit more even.

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love both

and i still cant make up my fucking mind
im just gonna listen to your mix while i think about it

They got everything right on that album. The runner up is First Family which I must say is a dope ass album. You put on I Luv and I immediately start swaying to and fro throwing my shoulders into whoever is near me. I only wish they had the Rockish version of Handle Ur Business on there.

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When I first heard World Famous they instantly becamy by dudes, even though I had poo-poo'd them on How About Some Hardcore. Primo had some serious heat on that one and G Rap murdered it on Stick To Ya Guns. But by the last 1/3 of the album it did feel a little lumpy.

You can kinda say the same on 1st Family For Life, just amplified on both counts. Breakin Tha Rules can have you start a fight with yourself just because, Downtown Swinga '98 is a riot on wax, and I Luv is one of the dopest things Primo EVER did, with Foxxx playing the anchor. But it too was a bit uneven, and next to the bangers on that album (and there were plenty) they sounded that much weaker

Now Warriors? That shit was pretty much straight heat. With the exception of maybe 2 songs (Everyday and Operation Lockdown, maybe) there was nothing but fire on that album. I will smack the shit out of somebody whenever Calm Down comes on (that Nona Hendryx sample is the shit). And Ante Up? We ain't even gonna talk about that one...

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Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

so I only give you Operation Lockdown (which I don't know how that made the album). Everyday is pretty much perfect. The verses are dope and the singing is official. I'm so glad they did that record. It came out great.

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I mean, I don't have a problem with it myself, but if you had to nitpick anything on the album, those were the only 2 that could possible get the side eye. Everything else was official and then some.

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I never thought you were dissing it I just wanted to proclaim my love for the track.

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if I had to describe the sound he's known for, I'd probably play the instrumental of that track. And that was as "light-hearted" as he tended to get, LOL

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I'm a MOP purist...to the death got burned to death when it dropped. My favorite without doubt. I was even a bit disappointed by Premier dominating the next record initially.


To the death
First family 4 life
Warriorz
Firing squad
Marxmen cinema
Foundation
Salutes the st marxmen
Snowgoons album

and has the best songs
Warriorz slips at the end but the first two thirds of it is pretty strong
also 1F feels more like an album whereas Warriorz feels more like a collection of songs or a compilation

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Was Ante Up and Cold as Ice your introduction to M.O.P?

No snark, I'm genuinely curious. I loved Warriorz as well, but their best work? Naw man..

It's like when people tell me their favorite Masta Ace album is A Long Hot Summer or Disposable Arts, both great albums but nowhere near Sittin On Chrome, or Slaughtahouse


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Warriorz to me was like their Murda Muzik.

The point were I was like, this is still dope but its getting a little predictable.

I actually didn't love Warriorz when it dropped. Maybe that is because I was growing tired of the same ol' same with them.

First Family I played to death though.

I thought it was their most well-rounded album.

Barring TO The Death, I copped all their releases and mixtapes on release. Hell, I even have that Handle Ur Business EP (Fame went ALL THE WAS IN on Cold World)

Oh, and for Ace, I've been down since the original pressing of Take A Look Around...

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Hell, I even have that Handle Ur Business
>EP (Fame went ALL THE WAS IN on Cold World)

Cold World
Way of the World
Move Something

All were dope. The rock version of Handle Ur Bizness was dope as well.

That was a strong EP and I wish those cuts made the album.

Not sure what songs I would take off. Possible Ride Wit Us because it doesn't sound like it fits and then maybe just tack those interludes onto songs and add those 4 cuts with the Primo remix of Handle Ur Bizness as a bonus.

I guess I could cut 4 Alarm Blaze. I know they wouldn't because of the Jay feature, which was dope, but that beat is a bit gimmicky.

>Hell, I even have that Handle Ur Business
>>EP (Fame went ALL THE WAS IN on Cold World)
>
>Cold World
>Way of the World
>Move Something
>
>All were dope. The rock version of Handle Ur Bizness was dope
>as well.
>
>That was a strong EP and I wish those cuts made the album.
>
>Not sure what songs I would take off. Possible Ride Wit Us
>because it doesn't sound like it fits and then maybe just tack
>those interludes onto songs and add those 4 cuts with the
>Primo remix of Handle Ur Bizness as a bonus.
>
>I guess I could cut 4 Alarm Blaze. I know they wouldn't
>because of the Jay feature, which was dope, but that beat is a
>bit gimmicky.
>



The rock version of handle it Bizness is one of the greatest MOP songs ever. Damn I wore that EP out too.

Always have.

And yes. Way Of The World was the shit. Danze and Fame executed that fucking track.

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Jay: Nigga...

and I bought it even though I had them both already just to have them in the same place

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But "Warriorz" was the first album of theirs since "To the Death" to really click with me right off the bat. I copped 4F4L the day it dropped, and tried really hard to get into it, but while I like/liked it, it never got to that next level to me. "Warriorz" was the first by them for me where everything worked.

Oh, and as for Ace, been a fan since "Symphony" and "Eye On the Prize." "Slaughta House" is certainly his best album, but I like "Disposable Arts" more than "Sittin On Chrome." SOC disappointed me when it dropped, but it's since grown on me.

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I felt like they were on a steady road upward from To The Death to Warriorz.

Warriorz reminded me the most of all the albums prior to it: The epic Premier intro ("We do not apologize to you fake ass niggas...because you are not important to us") had some of the illest self-produced M.O.P. joints in "G Building" (LOL @ Fizzy building a beat around use of the "Nigga" from that Sly Stone record), "Calm Down" and "Cold As Ice", classics in "Ante Up (bringing back DR Period)", a grip of ill joints from Premier (including one of his GOAT -- that's right, GOAT in "Face Off 2K1"), and all with limited features, it just felt like the ultimate M.O.P. album at the time.

Firing Squad hit me right in the chest when I first heard it. That title track, with Teflon (one of my favorite rappers for real), "Salute", "Stick To Ya Gunz", "New Jack City"... I even remember where I was living down south, cats (chicks even) liked "Dead and Gone". Like people actually talking about M.O.P. like that? I didn't think people liked 'em that much back then, LOL.

I think I go back and forth with those two.

I liked "First Family" because it had one of my favorite (and most hilarious) M.O.P. tracks in "Breakin' The Rules". I think that was the debut of the "goofy" M.O.P. track (other tracks in that vein: "Niggotiate", "Stop Pushin", "It's That Simple" (original version), etc.)... lots of other great tracks on that album, classics even, but a lot of Firing Squad's shit hit harder.

And truth be told, some of the shit on Foundation is some of my favorite M.O.P. tracks ever. (aforementioned "Stop Pushin", "What I Wanna Be", "Blow The Horns" (that Volvo shit), "Rude Bastard" (no controversy yo), "Crazy")

but Warriorz just seemed to be the culmination of everything they had done to that point.

Shit with Rocafella fell short (I was actually amped to hear what that would have been, since that was early '00s), and they had trouble cobbling together a focused project like that ever since.

They from my neighborhood and for me Warriorz was the pinnacle. I agree with Doc who says from To The Death (Blue Steel is a banger) to Warriorz is a steady climb up. By First Family 4 Life they were sniffing at a 4.5 level album but not there yet. To me they made it with their only Loud Records release. Everything after that is just the other side of the mountain.

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It's their most front-to-back quality album, although "First Family...." has the greater high points.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

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>It's their most front-to-back quality album, although "First
>Family...." has the greater high points.
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The very reason I'm stating FFFL is better is because front to back, not only is it better, but it is more dynamic.

Warriorz has no song like Blood, Sweat, and Tearz nor does it have the great guest spots like OC or Foxxx or Guru.

>Warriorz has no song like Blood, Sweat, and Tearz

If you mean like "Blood, Sweat, and Tears" as in the more heart-felt/sentimental (for M.O.P.) type song I prefer "Foundation".

nor does it
>have the great guest spots like OC or Foxxx or Guru.

I'd agree with this, but I don't look at that as a negative. It's more their album. Some of the best songs were self-produced joints, no guest, unlike FF4L where (for me, at least) the best tracks were the Premo* joints featuring Guru, O.C., or Freddie Foxxx.








(*Nothing wrong w/ your best tracks being the Premier produced one's haha.)
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I voted Warriorz. I'm 32 and how about some hardcore was the first song I heard of theirs. I bought Firing Squad when it came out (came out the same day as Parrish smith's shade business) and bought to the death not long after. I love all of their albums.

My affinity for Warriorz starts and finishes with Fame's development. He went from being a dope mc to the fizzy wo we know today. Best example on Warriorz is g building. I can't flat out say its the better album, but Fame's progression, along with the strength of the songs has always made it my favorite.

Even on a song like welcome to Brownsville, and I love Teflon and he rips shit, fame makes him sound like an amateur. It was when he first really started injecting blatant comedy and going overboard with the adlibs and funny ass noises (the end of follow instructions). He just became a complete show stealing mc, and he still is.

>I voted Warriorz. I'm 32 and how about some hardcore was the
>first song I heard of theirs. I bought Firing Squad when it
>came out (came out the same day as Parrish smith's shade
>business)

I believe Business Is Business came out on that day.

That album wasn't that bad either.

I strangely have most if not all of PMD's solo albums even though I think Erick was making better material until around 2000

but I remember 10/22 was the day. Busine$$ Is Busine$$ wasn't a bad album at all

You're right. I was close tho lol. Way to catch the error that had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making.

>My affinity for Warriorz starts and finishes with Fame's
>development. He went from being a dope mc to the fizzy wo we
>know today. Best example on Warriorz is g building. I can't
>flat out say its the better album, but Fame's progression,
>along with the strength of the songs has always made it my
>favorite.

and that's why it's been great to watch M.O.P. over the years. There was a point where I thought that Danz was the iller of the two, then Fame just kind of ran past cats. And he's gotten even more hilarious on the mic over the years.

As one note as M.O.P. is in terms of their approach and subject matter, people have have their varying reasons for picking their favorite album.

To answer the question, FF4L is my vote.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

Firing Squad...not even close.

MOP has 3 great albums and a dope debut.

Everyone in here is going back and forth with their opinions and favorites.

And even when someone favors one album, they still are giving love to the others.

And here you come, Firing Squad...not even close.

That shit doesn't even make sense to me.

MOP is an act that is you like them, you like them and should rock with almost everything they do because they don't stray too far from their lane.

So what makes it "not even close" in your opinion?

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How does that not make sense to you? I like all of their albums but if you ask ME (that's who we're talking about right?) then I (there goes another word for me) think Firing Squad is their BEST album to date and I (damn, that same word again) don't think it's even close. To the death was a good intro album almost like when you're first learning to drive and you're happy just to be behind the wheel going 15-20 mph. But Firing Squad is like the first time you got the the FDR at 3am and flooring that car to do 80mph! It just was nuthin but a burst for them. The beats Premier laced them with were just beyond belief. Brownville, New Jack City, Stick To Ya Gunz aren't just some of my favorite MOP songs but some of my favorite Premier beats EVER! First Family for Life is dope but NONE of those beats even come close to the 3 I just named. Not to say they weren't good beats cause they were but they don't even come close in my (me again) opinion. If you wanna think all of their albums are neck to neck, that's great for you to think...not great for me to think.

>How does that not make sense to you? I like all of their
>albums but if you ask ME (that's who we're talking about
>right?) then I (there goes another word for me) think Firing
>Squad is their BEST album to date and I (damn, that same word
>again) don't think it's even close. To the death was a good
>intro album almost like when you're first learning to drive
>and you're happy just to be behind the wheel going 15-20 mph.
>But Firing Squad is like the first time you got the the FDR at
>3am and flooring that car to do 80mph! It just was nuthin but
>a burst for them. The beats Premier laced them with were just
>beyond belief. Brownville, New Jack City, Stick To Ya Gunz
>aren't just some of my favorite MOP songs but some of my
>favorite Premier beats EVER! First Family for Life is dope but
>NONE of those beats even come close to the 3 I just named. Not
>to say they weren't good beats cause they were but they don't
>even come close in my (me again) opinion. If you wanna think
>all of their albums are neck to neck, that's great for you to
>think...not great for me to think.

That's what all of that bullshit that you typed up amounts to bro.

Albums that are "not even close" are Illmatic and Nastradamus. Not Firing Squad and First Family 4 Life.

Since when were two great albums "not even close"?

And as far as the beats, there is no way on this earth *you* could claim to understand production and act as if the beats on FS are much better to I Luv, Breaking the Rules, Salute pt 2, Face Off, and Downtown Swinga 98.

But again, you seem to not understand the phrase "not even close".

I mean, if I asked you who the better MC was between Silkk Da Shocker and Black Thought and you said "not even close" then we would be on the same page.

But FS, FF4L, and W are all 4 1/2 - 5 mic albums and whichever you feel is better is based on *your* opinion and *your* experience with the album. But when discussing quality of albums, come the fuck on, nine of those albums are head and shoulders above the others.

Go back to lurking.

Well, I'm just blessed that I've actually met the dude who invented the definition of words and phrases because of course YOUR definition of "not even close" must be God's so let me be the first okayplayer to say thank you for blessing us with your presence! We appreciate you defining all phrases and words for us because without you...OMG, where would us lowly master degree having dudes do without you...we'd be left to our own lowly opinions which would ALWAYS be wrong...thank you SO much bruh!

you know he's right.
take your L.

If you graduated with a 3.8 and your classmate graduated with a 3.7 and someone asked who the better student was, would your answer be "it's not even close, that guy can't touch me?"

Too bad your master degree didn't come with common sense or social skills which you seem to lack judging by your last response.

And no one said your opinion was wrong. You can't seem to grasp my points. All these albums are of high quality which is why we have 3 different albums all getting votes.

It's not like you said First Fam or Warriorz sucks, which still wouldn't make much sense because MOP is MOP and none of their albums stray too far away from their lane.

Well dear sir, I (that damn word AGAIN) never said that Firing Squad was a 3.8 and FF4L was a 3.7...that's what YOU said! In fact, I (here we go again) never said what I felt about the other MOP albums. You said that all of their albums were close...not me. So you lil analogy about GPA's WOULD be on point IF I said their albums were close but I don't think they are. I think Firing Squad is a 4 mic album, First Fam and Warriorz is a 3.5. (this is where you call me a whole bunch of names cause I'm sure you think both those albums are a 4 or better...but naw you wouldn't do that cause you respect MY opinion right?) That's not close to me. Not sure if you're old enough to remember when the Source was THE SOURCE but if you're album got rated anything under a 4 (which a 3.5 would be) you and your crew were going up to the source to pistol whip somebody but if you got a 4 or better, you were happy. So there's a BIG difference between a 3.5 and a 4...even your favorite rapper knows that. The same way there's a BIG difference between a 4.5 and 5. But I don't expect young whipper snappers like you to know nuthin about that...

where you commercial synthetic ass niggas ain't allowed/I'm not a gangsta, and I won't lie, I've always been afraid to die/so if worse come to worst I'll back my shit out first/I'd feel better in an El Dorado than in a hearse

shit like that is what makes 1st Fam their best album, not as much of that type of writing on Warriorz even tho I rock it heavy to this day

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I listened to the whole thing just last week, and I just felt so good and amped just like I used to feel in the 90's (yes, I'm trapped there.)

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