if so, what's up w/that?

this was inspired by a couple listens to that dude Future. he can't sing. but let some of y'all tell it, he's the savior of R&B.

and then there's Musiq.

and that dude Frank Ocean can't really sing either. witness his live show.

what's going on?

fuck you.

*shrugs*

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i wouldn't call him no luther with his attempt at love songs and croonin'...

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

>*shrugs*


"Adore" and an endless list of other examples laughs at you....Put down that crack rock....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

thing tyrese does
to mask goin' off key
it's cool, it works
but it ain't great singin'
adore is a great song

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>thing tyrese does
>to mask goin' off key
>it's cool, it works
>but it ain't great singin'
>adore is a great song


Dog....it's silly talk...Prince is a lot of things...But saying dude can't sing is silly...His voice layering on harmonies along is sick...

What you are trying to say is Prince is not on Luther Vandross' level....And that's true...

But saying he can't sing fall on either two sides: clueless posting (which I know you are far from...) and hyperbolic posting...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

this motherfucker prince got a 4.5 octave voice.. WTF IS HE TALKN BOUT

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>thing tyrese does
>to mask goin' off key
>it's cool, it works
>but it ain't great singin'
>adore is a great song
>



he doesn't HAVE to do that gutteral scream.

james brown can also sing in pitch without using that scream he does.
ray charles he isn't, but he's a fine singer.

>james brown can also sing in pitch without using that scream
>he does.
>ray charles he isn't, but he's a fine singer.

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fuck you.

It's ONLY on this site that I have ever heard anybody say Prince can't sing.... but whenever it's said, I am always sure the speaker is about to laughed off the boards permanently, but instead a shocking number of people cosign. And those who know better don't object.

What do y'all consider good/great singing? I need to know... Is it melismatic delivery and all that showoff shit? Because I remember saying that Leroy Burgess is one of the best soul singers ever and I got told to GTFOH.

But really? Prince can't sing?

How does one arrive at that idea?

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2. ppl don't listen carefully.

3. when ppl tell me Prince can't sing i immediately think of several songs where he's displayed considerable control over his voice and even shown off his range.

4. as good as Prince's voice is, he's no Luther Vandross.

5. the man can definitely sing though.

fuck you.

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>2. ppl don't listen carefully.
>
>3. when ppl tell me Prince can't sing i immediately think of
>several songs where he's displayed considerable control over
>his voice and even shown off his range.
>
>4. as good as Prince's voice is, he's no Luther Vandross.
>
>5. the man can definitely sing though.



i disagree with the post above your post (AFKAP's) because it seems people defend it more than are against it.
(Especially because little critique or objective thoughts of Prince are really respected here unless it's to cap on his current music and war against internet.
It's like you're always seen as a troll outside of those two topics.)

That said, i agree.
i get where people are coming from because they think Prince's voice is limited, and standards in voice have been set like Donny and Stevie (and Luther).
He can't sing like them.
But that does NOT mean Prince can't sing.
i think we all know he can.
Anyone ever see the Oprah interview?
Check him out around 0:58
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi996k_oprah-prince-emancipation-1996-4-4_music
Had me like "sang Prince!"

In regards to James Brown, i again can see why that's said because later in his career he turned into an early prototype of Mystikal. Lol.
But if you hear him in his really early stuff, you can hear that he can sing, gritty voice and all.
(Please please please, Papa's Got A Brand New Bag, Try Me, the doowop shyt)
He kinda sounded like Sam Cooke.

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>It's ONLY on this site that I have ever heard anybody say
>Prince can't sing.... but whenever it's said, I am always sure
>the speaker is about to laughed off the boards permanently,
>but instead a shocking number of people cosign. And those who
>know better don't object.

I have rarely heard that about Prince, even from those who don't really dig him. I can *almost* see where it comes from, but then I'm like, "well, shit -- YOU sing that shit and see how it sounds". Or rather, "put a more conventional singer on some of that shit and see if it still sounds 'right'".

and I almost agree about Leroy Burgess. it's kind of how I laud the Lotus Carlton (car) as one of the GOAT but only a few people will even understand.

I almost didn't know the Grandmaster Dee-lookin' dude dude actually sang (and very well at that) in Black Ivory, because Leroy basically was the show.

He also wrecked shit on that Logg album, even if that group was as faceless as it gets

>He also wrecked shit on that Logg album, even if that group
>was as faceless as it gets

But that voice is so damn distinctive.... that tone so rich and expressive...

I really cram to understand what people want out of a singer.

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Aside from justified critiques of acts like say Jennifer Lopez or Britney Spears.

But here I've heard insane claims that Frank Ocean, Musiq, Robin Thicke, Prince, D'Angelo & Beyonce can't sing. And it'll be from otherwise knowledgeable cats like So What or johnbook.

It's one thing to say someone's particular style ain't your bag, but to claim they can't sing is laughable.

can't be understood?

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i listen to records featuring singers who can't sing, but in those cases there's something else drawing me. like the lyrics (rarely) or melody or rhythm or something else about the music performance itself. or maybe it makes me dance or something.

none of that happens w/acts like Future, Ocean, Musiq, Weeknd.... i can't hardly listen to their songs all the way through.

fuck you.

that wasn't necessarily "good" (and to be fair, or "bad"), but it was "effective" to consumers and/or club goers.

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I would apply it to 50 Cent's entire Interscope Career, since it more or less jumped off the "fake it til you make it" era

...finding a song that's...

1)Technically proficient vocally
2)Solid songwriting
3)Great production

is rare...for me? Personally? The singing is the first to go...as long as you aren't completely out of tune and the melody ideas are solid a song can be enjoyable or even great. With shitty songwriting? NEVER.

Come on....we all know why...lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

fuck you.

In fact, the genre as a whole has embraced dissonance and discordance as an aesthetic value far more than Black pop styles.

(Which is, btw, part of why "white" audiences could embrace The Headphone Masterpiece in a way that "blacks" could not)

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i want ppl who are into these non-singing R&B acts to explain how they can listen to this music w/o cringing and turning it off. b/c for the most part, i can't. like that Future guy. that 'Turn Off the Lights' song...i can't get through it. his voice irritates me too much. and Musiq...same thing. ditto Frank Ocean.

i wanna know what they hear. maybe they focus elsewhere other than the voice. i do too, and the issue i have w/these folks is the music underpinning the vocals is often boring. and the lyrics don't move me. i can't get into much of anything about the songs. and this seems to be where R&B is headed or where R&B actually IS right now.

fuck you.

and this seems to be where R&B is headed or where
>R&B actually IS right now.

hipsters dont care about 'good singing'.

As soon as a white artist comes out that actually can sing they are usually labeled as either, "vocal/lounge singer", "blue-eyed soul artist", or "pop" but all the other rock vocalists are usually are average to terrible at signing which is fine in rock-n-roll....but....BUT, these days rap music has caught up to where rock-n-roll has where having every other rapper who can't really rap and the subject matter is just the same ol' bullshit and people accept it as normal and anybody hating on a rapper is just a hater on rappers trying to get their hustle on, smh.

I got one question about heavy metal vocalists though, is there really a bad one there is usually two types of heavy metal vocalists out there though the screaming "growling/gruffy" style or the screaming "high-pitched whiny" style, not too many new acts just use their normal pitched voice anymore but I think neither of these artists are being based on how good they can sing cause they aren't singing, just yelling at the top of their lungs.

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have you heard his voice?

if so, do you like it? if you do, what do you like about it?

fuck you.

>have you heard his voice?
>
>if so, do you like it? if you do, what do you like about it?
>



Future is not even looked at as an R&B singer....He's a rapper who sometimes sings...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

fuck you.

what is this post really about? Alicia Keys?

she hasn't improved much.

i don't listen as much either.

but yeah...some notes she can hit. quite a few of them she can't. at least not consistently.

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that 3rd album wasn't it

when you have people saying alicia keys cant sing.

he sings? LMAO

i became aware b/c of the new Rihanna song. reviews referenced 'Turn On the Lights', saying it's 1 of the best of 2012. i went back and heard that one and was left way cold. i couldn't even get through it after multiple attempts. it didn't hold my interest.

fuck you.

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY sees him as being a good singer, even with autotune. Just that the song could have made a dope commercial one if a real singer sang it.

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in fact, some of my favorite singers are some non-singers (I post about 'em constantly)

if we're holding them up to the same standard as I think is being held here.

lol @ Future singing though... I have to hear this shit

as for Frank Ocean not singing?
I've not seen his live show, his studio records are more in line with the "non-singers" I listen to. the only thing about him that is kind of weird is the fact he "sings" in a rapping cadence. a lot of more polished singers do that too, and that's kind of annoying. I wish he would take a more traditional angle to that sometimes.

granted, i've only seen 3 of them. but, my God. i felt so bad for him i changed the channel each time.

fuck you.

When i saw F Ocean on SNL....I thought this guy ain't gonna be around in 3 years and noone will care where he went neither.

he'll def be around in 5 years

fuck you.

much improved from his vma performance.

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i think he's pretty awful live...

but on studio recordings, he sounds good to me.

haven't heard Future, nor The Weeknd.

i only gave Frank Ocean a listen because i saw brainchild say in a post that he sounds like Musiq with a drug problem. AND HE DOES!! LMAO. his album was cool w/my drugged up Musiq goggles on. he is terrible live as well, imo.

i saw quite a few of us nuttin' up over his performance on SNL and i was like O_o???

i don't care about lyrics THAT much. dude can't sing.

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and live he's str8 up off key and painful. like, 'I demand a refund' painful.

i agree that Ocean sounds like him w/a drug problem. LOL

fuck you.

>and live he's str8 up off key and painful. like, 'I demand a
>refund' painful.

i was shocked and awed when i saw him singing Sunny (Just Friends) on some BET show. that was my JAM too...i wrote him off after that. i was getting a lot of Def Jam albums in the mail at the time and that album sat for the LONGEST. one day i threw it on out of the blue and i fell in love with it. *shrugs*

i'll buy a Musiq CD in a heartbeat, but i don't EVER need to see him live.

EVER.



>i agree that Ocean sounds like him w/a drug problem. LOL

it makes him more enjoyable...lol. "listen to poor Musiq...he's on that stuff!! this song is jammin' tho."

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fuck you.

I've seen him 3 times and all three times he sounded fine. even convinced a chick that swore up & down she hated him. and the version of Love he did with some sax player was ON POINT



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I'm not saying neo-soul is out but it's not many r&b artists that are going that route these days, many are going for either today's pop sound, the straight sexy love me I love you r&b, or the adult r&b mixed with some smooth jazz route, or the southern-soul aka 00's blues vibe.

Anyway, has Dwele or Eric Roberson traveled that way lately?

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like i was way into 'Sure Thing'. i like how the record sounds, over all. but 'Adorn'...no. no.

the dude can screech well when he wants but...naw. i can't w/him. though i want to.

fuck you.

>but 'Adorn'...no. no.

it irritates me. it's like *close*, but nah.

and that Soul Train performance made me wanna hurt him.


>i can't w/him. though i want to.

LOL. ewwww.

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Old niggas man....

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

the second one is good.

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but not quite getting there. This really only after hearing him on that Johnson & Jonson record

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it's on the basement tapes fellas(probably his best album). PICK IT UP.

and most people would think he has a terrible voice. dude writes incredible songs though. it just works.


edit: when i wrote this i didn't know you were talking specifically about rnb.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

People will excuse poor pitch if the sentiment or the emotion connects. A lot of these new singers are able to get close enough to the emotion they want to convey, so that the music can do the rest of the work. Couple that with some moody lyrics, you can either add some cellos or some auto tune, and you've got the most melacholic bs you can stand.

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that makes sense.

fuck you.

when he made spring again singin' the chorus
and that hit
it further let everyone else know
they aint' got to be able to sing good to sing
that people will buy it
if you can make it sound "good"
or just bad became the norm after that

then autotunin' was developed/discovered
so pretty black girls who couldn't sing good
could still make records and be pimped by the label
for their "look" and make money

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sometimes, great singers have fantastic songs.
(certain songs in luther's catalouge)

sometimes, fantastic songs are sung by questionable singers
(janet jackson)

and sometimes, fantastic singers sing godawful records
(certain other songs in luther's catalouge.)



if the song is awesome,
i don't need great a great singer to sing it.
that being said, the dude you are talking about
doesn't have a great voice or great songs, imo.



anyway... for me, it's all about the song
moreso than the singer. i'd listen to a great song with a mediocre vocal performance
before i'd listen to a great vocal performance on a bad song.


the dude you're talking about has delievers neither great vocal performances
nor great songs...so i don't really like his material.



i DO like musiq soulchild.
i hear what you saying about musiq being flat,
but i kinda assumed that was his style. lol

also, he has a lot of songs i like.
i would never hold him out as a great singer, though.

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Musiq can't sing??? Really? REALLY??
Have you heard his first album?
At all?
i'm not talking bout his Just Friends single, but all the other songs on that album.
Dude's voice is chucch.
So much, that to this day, (along with Ramsey Lewis' Sun Goddess), You Be Alright is my literal favorite song.
Now i haven't listened to Musiq after Luvanmusiq (where he turned real pop-R&B) so i don't know what he's doing with his voice, but that is a sanging mofo.
Runs, falsetto, baritone, vibrato, long notes (tho he doesn't do this as much)...he can sing.


Man you all don't remember Religious, the song that was on that commercial with Jason Kidd? Commeeee onnnnn


Anyways i'm shocked. Lol.

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forgive the tortured metaphor.
but yeah... he has a unique understanding of rhythm and pitch.

the notes he decides to hit
are not the notes you expect him to hit.

i like it,
but i can see how folks would have a problem.

SoWhat said he's flat.
i always thought he was deciding to hit the notes that way on purpose.
i may be wrong. lol

in fact, you probably are. he's been working it for this long doing his thing, it's likely on purpose.

his thing just ain't for me. but it works for him and his fans.

right on.

fuck you.

One thing i notice quick about Musiq on about his 2nd and 3rd album is he does this type of harmonizing that my ears really agree with,
but might sound weird as hell to person just passing by it.
i end up doing this ish subconsciously.
Like to get technical, he makes a 7th chord into a 9th chord with his voice. Ughh lemme give some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiV2yxYXXfI&t=3m37s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tICBdk6oKs8&t=2m48s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tICBdk6oKs8&t=4m30s
a song called "Her" (at the end of DontStop)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fPlFxnIlSQ&t=3m33s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNkiqb2u9Z8&t=23s

he's still on key, it's just a different note than what could be expected. Is that what you're talking bout?

In terms of rhythm, for a minute i thought dude had no sense of rhythm hearing him sing Just Friends, until i "caught his beat" and saw what he was doing.
Again i can only speak for what i heard of old Musiq.
i don't know about this new Musiq.

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but i know what you're talking about.
the easiest example i can think of is the intro to
"halfcrazy." or the harmonies he picked for the hook on
"you and me against the world".

the pitches are unconventional,
but it's on purpose, i think.
either way, i like them.


i just figured out what you mean.
the instrumental will be hitting one chord,
and he'll add a vocal track that would normally be played in the instrumental part
and execute that note with his voice.

so it makes the entire chord sound different.
a note that would normally be buried in the mix
is brought more to the forefront with his vocals.

yeah, i think we're saying the same thing.




and i know what you mean about what's going on rhythmically on "justfriends"

>i just figured out what you mean.
>the instrumental will be hitting one chord,
>and he'll add a vocal track that would normally be played in
>the instrumental part
>and execute that note with his voice.
>
>so it makes the entire chord sound different.
>a note that would normally be buried in the mix
>is brought more to the forefront with his vocals.


YESSS that's exactly it. Great description.
Agreed on the rest.

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i heard him live. it hurt my feelings.

he was thoroughly off key and weak voiced the entire time. he was opening for an act i really wanted to see, so i sat through it. but if i'd gone there for a show where he was the headliner i'd have demanded a refund.

i won't hear any talk about that man's 'sangin'. no way.

fuck you.