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"Jazz heads, what sub genre is being represented here?"


  

          

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3aALURKt1U
Max Roach-man from south africa

ive always dug this track but I could never peg the genre.
This song came to mind after seeing the first 5 minutes of Se03 e05 Treme.

So, what subgenre is this and who else has a similar style?

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Post-bop.
Oct 26th 2012
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ah, im a BIG mingus fan, makes sense
Oct 26th 2012
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sometimes Impulse records can be their own little world
Oct 26th 2012
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      word.
Oct 26th 2012
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      noted. ill dig into impulse some more.
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      Actually, I don't think there really was an impulse-sound...
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1. "Post-bop."
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Eric Dolphy
Charles Mingus
Miles Davis
Freddie Hubbard
Roland Kirk

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2. "ah, im a BIG mingus fan, makes sense"
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this is why i appreciate the lesson

thanks!

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3. "sometimes Impulse records can be their own little world"
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I like the Cubop feel from the percussion in this one too... makes it feel like almost like a bridge between Dizzy and the Impulse scene.

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I almost didn't want to say "post-bop" because in a way it's a pretty ambiguous genre tag, plus it's a retroactive one... I wanted to say "It's the Impulse sound!"

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5. "noted. ill dig into impulse some more. "
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6. "Actually, I don't think there really was an impulse-sound..."
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I think that applies better to Blue Note in the 60's who had the same pool of musicians in various constellations playing on like every other record. Seriously, Freddie Hubbard appeared in all type of contexts and when I listen to an admittedly awesome record like Bobby Hutcherson's "Dialogue", I have to remind myself that it is a Hutcherson-record and not an Andrew Hill or Sam Rivers-album which it very well could have been.

Shit, even the quintessential "funky" and groovy Lee Morgan played on a "weird" Grachan Moncur III record (and did a spectacular job BTW, that dude was the GOAT trumpeter as far as I'm concerned).

By comparison, Impulse was a much more diverse label that released everything from veterans like Mingus and Ellington and Roach to radical free-jazzers like Marion Brown and Roswell Rudd and Archie Shepp woth a minimum of overlaps in terms of the musicians involved.

IMO, Impulse was *the* jazz'label of the 60's even if they lost it after Coltrane died and forced the likes of Ayler and Shepp to go "commercial". While I dig those records (who can front on this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3ALA3RgDY ), it sort of ruined the label as a force for modern, cutting-edge jazz IMO...

  

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