If not, why not?

i dont think he's a lyricist, period...

Have you listened to much of his music?

Is that he uses a fake accent when he spits. And then you see an interview with him in it and he sounds straight Canadian suburb. But at the end of the day, Drizzy got bars. So yeah

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he's probably a 3 70% of the time

he cranks it up to 4 on occasion

See, I would replace the 3 with a 4, and the 4 with a 5.

I have listened recently to alot of his stuff and his wordplay is very smart at times.

I just think there are various factors outside his control, together with a perceived 'sensitiveness', which mean that some don't give him the chance or the credit he deserves.

of ourselves.

Drake's a good rapper despite what many might say.

But like Pharoahe Monch is a consistently 4 and 5.

Drake isn't Pharoahe no what I mean.

Drake is a very clever MC, despite the fact that people like to go at him for the hashtag rap.

But I don't think his pattern game is up to par with the 5's like an Eminem.

Drake's one of my favorite rappers doing it right now, but I can't think of a verse he's spit that's on the level of some of the insane shit that people like Em and Monch have done.

He's not hitting on level 5 man.

Maybe after a few more major boss fights he'll get enough xp, to rank up to 5.

We shall see.

I won't trouble myself or you to find examples I think might rebut that argument, so instead, we will have to agree to disagree.

this is science yo
I have Drake's entire discography my dude.

Drake's never reached that god like level of spitting that I've witnessed hear Eminem and a few others rap at.

Drake's draw isn't razor sharp lyricism


Drake's not on that level, there isn't a single
he's well rounded

he knows how to make great hooks, one of the only rappers who's hooks are enjoyable imo.

plus he's perfected the ability to flip from traditional rapping to the singing thing.

plus he has 40's production, that ninja had Stevie Wonder on harmonica my dude, damn Take Care was good. All his production's good great ear for beats.

his music's atmospheric enough for me to binge on it when I'm feeling emo.

PLUS he's a pretty good rapper.

Speaking in hyperbole isn't necessary when he's already all of that^

Ha, well, who am I to argue with that 'science'?

C'mon my dude but really, Drake's no lyrical miracle.

He's skilled though, we'll leave it there.

In terms of his great verses, I'd bring up his verse on "Lord Knows," "Ashton Martin Music," and for older shit, "The Presentation"

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

-Slow and boring

-Flow lacks intricacy

-very predictable patterns

-subject matter incredibly solipsistic and whiny.

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Dude can write songs, first of all. Complete songs, not just rappity raps.

But he can do the rappity rap shit. Listen to his verse on "Lord Knows" for an example. Give that exact same verse to someone like Elzhi/Royce and people would say that it was one of the best of the year.

His flow could use some variation, but in terms of lyrics? He's solid.

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that. Royce too. I was hoping Drake would come with something really dope for that beat.
#disappointment
Shit just sounded tedious and stretched out, to me.

Guess we just disagree then. I thought Drake killed it. Great punchlines, syllables were cool, etc. Some of the best shit-talking on a song that whole year.

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I'm not one who claims dude can't rhyme. There are actually points when I think he says dope shit.

But then there's stuff like "I'm a descendant of either Marley or Hendrix"

No you're not, dude. Those guys made music with alotta meaning and social relevance.
Nothing wrong with him bragging. He has the skill to do so. He just says ridiculous shit.

"I don't make music for niggas who don't get pussy.... so those are the ones I count on to diss me" or whatever that line was.

Just corny cliche shit that makes simple minds say "damnnn he ethered niggas"
Yeah if you're at an 8th grade lunch table.
Also, one minute he "loves these hos" (c)snoop, cryin on their voicemails. The next he's
judging the next man based on his pimp game?
Make up your mind, son.... and show me this kind of silliness in Marley or Hendrix's music.

His verses are always choc full of something corny like that second one, or ridiculous like the first one.

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I was never blown away by a verse from Drake, but he has had moments like 9am in Dallas where Im like ok thats dope.

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No. Like I said......you got dudes callin Lupe corny and in the same breath talk about how good of an MC Drake is. No. Not even his writing impresses me. The dude is just super fake to me.

I don't know most of his work....but has he ever claimed to be something he's not?

But the vibe I get from Drake just doesn't add up to me. It's hard to take Wheelchair Jimmy seriously. There's just somethin about him that doesn't add up when I'm listening to him. There's somethin visceral missing. This is just for me personally. When I tap in with an MC it's about more than just "hot" beats and "braggy" verses and all that bullshit. On top of that it's hard for me to make the connection with what Drake is trying to portray. It doesn't seem the least bit natural, it just feels really forced and hollow.

I can't get with this:

“I could get money with my eyes closed
Lost some of my hottest versus down at cabo
So if you find a blackberry with the sides scroll
Sell that mothafucka to any rapper that I know
Cause they need it much more than I ever will
I got new shit
I’m gettin better still
Little niggas put my name in their verses
Cause they girlfriend put my ass on a pedestal
Future said cause it’s ye shit you better kill
And I think it’s got them making of a legend feel
Problem with these other niggas they
Ain’t never real"

Hell no. No.

whether or not he seems genuine or not

that verse was always ill to me

some of his truest shit.

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seeing human beings arguing about artists being "lyrical" is outrageously sad.

he or she has since disabled their account! Seriously.

>he or she has since disabled their account! Seriously.

Reading between the lines, based upon that person's username, use of the word 'weirdo' and term 'outrageously sad', they are either British or Irish.

Then considering the time they therefore posted (late evening), they were probably drunk and desperately looking for some negative attention.

Outrageously sad, really.

I figured he was a new poster or something...

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New poster. Me? Can you read the following: Member since Mar 22nd 2005, newbie?

then "or something" popped in my mind...

cuz plenty of people's profiles says what his does... especially many charter members...

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If you hadn't disabled your account, based on the original comment, I think it is high time you did.

i assume you wouldn't date a woman who dressed horrendously, why should it be cool to listen to horrendous rappers

People don't hate on Drake because of his lyrical skills... People hate on Drake for his image...

I'm not saying Drake is a great rapper either, but if people want to hold Drake up to this high standard, but then talk about how great Wayne, Ross, Jay (in 2012), Gucci, and a whole shit load of others are, it's obvious people are hating on Drake for his image...

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>People don't hate on Drake because of his lyrical skills...
>People hate on Drake for his image...

Dude is, at the very least, a good/competent rapper.

About 85%, if not more, of hate for Drake is because he doesn't fully buy into this hyper-masculine image that hip-hop has propped up for so long.

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>About 85%, if not more, of hate for Drake is because he
>doesn't fully buy into this hyper-masculine image that hip-hop
>has propped up for so long.


Nah dude. Yall need to quit pretending that's why people don't like him. Lupe doesn't buy into it either.
Yet I'm a Lupe fan.
Those Odd Future cats, Danny Brown, etc.
Nobody really cares about Drake not buying into a hyper-masculine image.
Hell A Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul didn't either.
Yall gotta ask yourselves why people dig all these other non-hyper-masculine niggas but don't fuck with ya boy.

he sounds cool, he blackens up his delivery and his swagger is to the max, but the fact is he's garbage lyrically

See, I just don't get how anyone who's heard more than a few songs from dude can say that he's "garbage lyrically." I literally just don't understand it.

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simple as.
niggas dont like that a canadian jew child actor came in and ran the rap game w/ no resistance.

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>I'm not saying Drake is a great rapper either, but if people
>want to hold Drake up to this high standard, but then talk
>about how great Wayne, Ross, Jay (in 2012), Gucci, and a whole
>shit load of others are, it's obvious people are hating on
>Drake for his image...

I think Drake sucks...and....

I think all those dudes suck too..and its not because of his/thier image lol

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>seeing human beings arguing about artists being "lyrical" is
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GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

nothing he says makes me have an ounce of faith in him or his ability
there's no conviction about any of it, and that's weird when you think about it because he does a lot of whining and crying over beats
smh at the niggas talking about 'he can make songs' because he doesn't do 83 bar freestyles and shit
keep buying that dumb ass logic if you want, you're part of the problem
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I listen to his shit and I am unconvinced. And I laugh way more than I should.

His hooks are solid, he's got multis for days, and he's solid bar for bar.

If you find him unconvincing, that's a different story. I can understand that. His production is a lot more emotive than he is, and I don't really think he's been through a lot. But dude can still rap.

Is he Nas, Jay-Z, Pharaohe Monch, Royce Da 5'9", etc.? No. Not at all.

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that's all I was trying to say above

he's good, but don't get ahead of yourselves he's no lyrical savant.

He's the most well rounded major rapper right now imo.

>His hooks are solid, he's got multis for days, and he's solid
>bar for bar.
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his hooks are catchy because they require no attention to get, his multis are simple and made of mostly junction words that go nowhere, and he's unspectacular bar for bar, even in the era of diminished returns
he gets over due to lyricism not being important-hell, knowing how to rap isn't important anymore


>If you find him unconvincing, that's a different story. I can
>understand that. His production is a lot more emotive than he
>is, and I don't really think he's been through a lot. But dude
>can still rap.
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eh, he's average at best and uses word stresses and pregnant pauses to get around the fact that he's deficient at stringing words together


>Is he Nas, Jay-Z, Pharaohe Monch, Royce Da 5'9", etc.? No. Not
>at all.

let niggers here tell it and that's a bad thing, like you're supposed to be more proud of what you can sell than what you can create

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>his hooks are catchy because they require no attention to get,
>his multis are simple and made of mostly junction words that
>go nowhere, and he's unspectacular bar for bar, even in the
>era of diminished returns
>he gets over due to lyricism not being important-hell, knowing
>how to rap isn't important anymore

What constitutes a good hook for you? Just curious.

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>eh, he's average at best and uses word stresses and pregnant
>pauses to get around the fact that he's deficient at stringing
>words together

lol I guess we just disagree on that point, nothing more to say there.


>let niggers here tell it and that's a bad thing, like you're
>supposed to be more proud of what you can sell than what you
>can create

I'm not one of those people. My point was that he's not on the upper tier of lyricist that those people are, but that he's still a credible lyricist.

I'll give you props though, you're one of the first people who I've seen actually say why they don't like Drake who actually talks about his music.

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>What constitutes a good hook for you? Just curious.
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for me it's not about something being easy to remember or to lure me in, I don't need that shit
all I ask is the chorus acts as a bridge between the verses and topic of the song itself
that slick shit doesn't impress me nor does it make me want to listen to a song over and over


>lol I guess we just disagree on that point, nothing more to
>say there.
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more than fair


>I'm not one of those people. My point was that he's not on the
>upper tier of lyricist that those people are, but that he's
>still a credible lyricist.
>

personally I find his work to not be very engaging, and it's not because he rhymes simple
Run and Q-Tip are probably the two best examples of a simple rhyme style being incredibly effective, but I love hearing them rap because the charisma they have isn't used to sell the sentiment; contemporary rap music eschews lyricism in favor of style to the point that it makes me leery or anything these people say


>I'll give you props though, you're one of the first people who
>I've seen actually say why they don't like Drake who actually
>talks about his music.

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the boy knows how to make songs. And if nothing else, he can definitely
make good hooks.

I will say, based on the type of music he writes, and for the audience
he captures, he does one hell of a job. I can't think of many Drake
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That the dude above you just posted about. The "he can write songs" plea. THe words don;t hold any weight. None. So what good is it?

you know how many good lyricist can't write a song to save their career, but
can win a freestyle battle without even trying?

It's not a plea cop... it's a fact. I don't consider Drake to be
a rappity rap lyrical emcee, nor has he presented himself as such.
So to imply that he isn't or should be is something you have to deal with.

I bet your head nods when a Drake song comes on tho.

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something about the way you worded this.

Yeah, his shit actually makes sense and he's telling stories, he's not on that super lyrical-miracle-habitual-hasidic jew shit, but he's not rhyming just to be rhyming. I say he's a lyricist in the sense that he writes songs with a story and point and from there you can grade him on how good of a lyricist he is, but to straight up say he's not a lyricist is kind of dumb.

Whether or not you dislike him and the subject matter you can't deny that he is trying to say something and not just rambling and talking shit. . . like a majority of rappity rap cats do.

but that credible lyricist thing, I feel some of yall on that too, because the tough guy shit coming from him is on Rick Ross levels of "it's only entertainment".

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But seriously, Drake has had *one* line - unless I'm missing some? - that was a "tough guy" line, lol.

Meanwhile, Ross has an entire career's worth of drug references, and niggas let him rock like it's whatever.

Not saying the people here let Ross rock - I don't know everyone's allegiances, it's just interesting to see what people use as a standard sometimes I guess.

Personally, I don't really care about authenticity at all as long as the music is dope.

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"But seriously, Drake has had *one* line - unless I'm missing some? - that was a "tough guy" line, lol."

and niggas go in with that he's a faux tough guy shit.

When that's like the furthest thing he portrays himself as.

It's such a blatant paradox that it's baffling their brains don't explode from cognitive dissonance.

let him rap about being hung up on women and relatives.

when he's not doing that, he's usually talking about how his success makes it uncomfortable to go to Tim Horton's on a Saturday afternoon or incredibly rewarding to take his high school buddies to Liv on a Tuesday and stay past close. And he sounds like the sort of person that would love that.

Ross gets a lot of passes for SOUNDING like a drug dealer, though using the Rick Ross example in THIS post wouldn't go far thanks to who made the post and the main detractors in the thread. So I'd draw the line to Prodigy, who often gets God status for sounding like a cornerboy even though a large part of his story is how questionable that past is. Nobody cares because it sounds like corner boy music.

Why get mad at Drake for making "why'd that girl leave me / I love my friends" music?

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>Personally, I don't really care about authenticity at all as
>long as the music is dope.


I hear you there. I can actually relate to this.
However, when you watch his lil' MTV special where he's saying every word he says is for real for real
and he's saying that in all serious with a look of complete conviction on his face,
Nah. Somewhere down the line, you're lying. Because as I pointed already, one minute he's Mr. Romantic
with roses in his teeth, and the next, he's reducing women to pussy-trophies in order to down the next man
based on his ability to attain said trophy.
Also,
The "you" in his rhymes is unclear, because he accuses "you" of being fake. Yet, who is he so much realer than?
He's the emoest nigga of them all? wth? What nigga you know *trying* to look soft?
Compare that to a cat like TI who often speaks to "you" in his rhymes. It's clear he's dissing "fake gangsters".
His "I'm realer than you" is clear.
Drake is hiding behind, "I never said I was hard" yet trying to talk shit with hard niggas. Then he
(and his cosigners) wonder why these niggas ain't feelin' him. You can't play hard and then pull the softie card to hide your hands.
He doesn't want to fully embrace that softie role he hides behind. He wants to talk shit with the "tough guys".
"But oh I'm just tryna do my thing and make my music.. never said I was hard" etc.

>Nah. Somewhere down the line, you're lying. Because as I
>pointed already, one minute he's Mr. Romantic
>with roses in his teeth, and the next, he's reducing women to
>pussy-trophies in order to down the next man
>based on his ability to attain said trophy.

Other rappers don't make romantic songs and misogynistic songs? Jay-Z didn't make "Excuse Me Miss" and "Big Pimpin"? Nas didn't make "You Owe Me" and "Getting Married"? What about Ross? What about Wayne? Do you feel the same way when these rappers make songs of different types? Rap in general is a contradictory genre.

>Also,
>The "you" in his rhymes is unclear, because he accuses "you"
>of being fake. Yet, who is he so much realer than?
>He's the emoest nigga of them all? wth? What nigga you know
>*trying* to look soft?
>Compare that to a cat like TI who often speaks to "you" in his
>rhymes. It's clear he's dissing "fake gangsters".

I think the "you" in rap is literally always ambiguous, lol. Maybe that's just me.

>His "I'm realer than you" is clear.
>Drake is hiding behind, "I never said I was hard" yet trying
>to talk shit with hard niggas. Then he
>(and his cosigners) wonder why these niggas ain't feelin' him.

IMO, that's natural. If people are talking shit about you, you talk back. When he's

> You can't play hard and then pull the softie card to hide
>your hands.
>He doesn't want to fully embrace that softie role he hides
>behind. He wants to talk shit with the "tough guys".
>"But oh I'm just tryna do my thing and make my music.. never
>said I was hard" etc.

Bruh, have you seen the cover of Take Care? lol that's embracing the softie role fully, if you ask me. He's emotional when it comes to women and his career, but he says he doesn't take shit from people. It's not that complicated, IMO.

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>But seriously, Drake has had *one* line - unless I'm missing
>some? - that was a "tough guy" line, lol.

off the hip for me"

etc.

he definitely lines not necessarily about him personally having guns/fucking you up, but being connected to/surrounded by thugged out and/or mafia type dudes

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yall love reaching on this site just to argue for no reason.

plain and simple, any and every time he says a tough guy line, I don't buy it, he could be on some 2pac shit and getting in trouble after the fact, but the few times he does it it's in the realm of Ross' "im a drug lord" bs.

and the only reason I mentioned that was to stick the point I WAS making about the "credible" lyricist question.

Do I believe Drake fucks bitches and been handling dough for a minute? Yes, be kind of dumb to argue that.

also, am I the only person who remembers the "red clue" line? Dude has been on some gangster ish before, yall niggas fronting or don't actually listen.

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as much as I despise Drake's simp anthems, he can spit when he's really trying to.

If you haven't heard Drake's tape "Comeback Season" then your opinion is really invalid. Dude spit some shit. But mainstream doesn't like niggas spittin like that so Aubrey switched to the simp shit that gets him radio play.

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I'm On One is a banger, there's probably a few others but I don't have the desire to sit thru an album or ever make him one of 'my guys' as far as rappers go.

Nothing about his voice, presentation/persona or (I'm somewhat guessing here) content is all that interesting to me.

Some of the lesser examples of those sparse, spa-music soundscapes that 40 cranks out behind the boards don't help the cause.

To me the difference between him & a dude like Wayne (when he was still locked-in) is best exemplified by something like those two over 'Ignorant Shit' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRwQJJYZdL8.

Wayne just has that ability to command my attention in a way Drake really hasn't & probably never will, four bars into Wayne I've already forgotten Drake rapped on this meanwhile if you lined those bars up on a piece of paper there probably wouldn't be a wide gap between the two.

If it was sports it'd be like Iverson to Joe Johnson.

One's an icon & Hall of Famer with a laundry list of moments (good or bad, on or off the court) you can conjure up without effort, the other is an All-Star with a skill set & good numbers who doesn't really leave much of an imprint in the brain.

I don't hate Drake even if I understand why lots of folks 30+ like myself see him as ripe for ridicule & I actually thought it was kinda funny how he dismissed Common on 'Still Schemin' plus that Kobe/Vanessa line is iconic at this point.

However investing much time/emotion into his career seems pointless from my perspective.

People on both sides of the fence regarding dude in posts like these inevitably get to a level of passion & hyperbole that eludes me on the issue.

Thus concludes the longest post I have or likely will write on Drake.

mofos in here double talking now. Everybody else can do "it",but when
Drake does "it", it's a problem. This is that ol' Tea Party rationale.

I thought it was because he's popular, and dominates the airwaves. I
thought, "maybe he's catching that lil Wayne residual hate"... but hell
even Wayne is getting a lil props in here.

This is purely "can't let light-skinned niggas get back in style"

I see ya'll... and I agree

Drake sucks

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"dreams money can buy" "club paradise" those mellow Drake songs I fuck with... he's not really bragging, he's kind of dreaming on those joints, being optimistic...

the bullshit like the "motto" i can't ride with at all

whining about why people don't like him than you do actually making a legitimate case for him
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...whats funny is dudes point to him as one of the "good rappers" today ...haha, he makes Lupe look like Rakim, is how bad Drake is

How his detractors hate on his demeanor or image more than they talk about why his actual music is bad to them.

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I just hear that more about Drake than about other rappers. Nas haters say he has bad beats, Jay haters say his music is too commercial, and Drake haters say he's soft/corny. lol the default haters of Drake don't say shit about his music; if they *do* say something about his music, it's the exception to the rule.

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And, for the record, it's not without reason that his image gets shit on.

But me personally, in the end it's all about the music. So when it comes to Drake...to answer the OP directly, yes, I'd say he's definitely "credible". He can rhyme, I don't think there's any question about that really. But, I don't like his music. His voice is unbearable, his flow is predictable, one-dimensional and boring, and his content just does nothing for me.

That said, he's had a couple moments that even I can't deny have impressed the shit out of me, the most glaring example being his verse on the extended Aston Martin Music. I'll still never ever understand why Rozay did away with the full version. I'd say he did it cause he was embarrassed about getting ... well, embarrassed by Drizzy, but doesn't that happen on all his songs that have guests on them? Anyway Drake murdered that shit.

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