20. "Haha nah I don't like that album really.." In response to Reply # 19 Tue Sep-25-12 11:17 AM by Brew
like, at all. Keep in mind I'm a west coast rap fan (big time) but don't actually LIVE on the west coast (and never have) so, that may play a part in why I don't totally "understand" that album, but...yea, Way 2 Fonky, to me, was a major step back for Quik from Quik is the Name, which he quickly corrected with, IMO, his best and most consistent album in Safe & Sound.
3. "my list...IMO" In response to Reply # 0 Tue Sep-25-12 01:30 AM by Kosa12
the roots(organix-illadelph) el-p(fantastic damage-cancer 4 cure) bjork(debut-homogenic) shiina ringo(Muzai Moratorium-Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana) radiohead(pablo honey-OKC) ATCQ(People's-MM) stevie wonder(music of my mind-innervisions) cunninlynguists(will rap for food-A piece of strange) de la soul(is dead-stakes is high) bill evans(everybody digs-explorations) gang starr(daily operation-moment of truth) flaming lips(zaireeka-yoshimi) jimi hendrix(are you experienced-electric ladyland) Invisible(Invisible-Jardin de los presentes)
Two years ago, I would've disagreed with ISWYD being better than FanDam, but now, after spending a couple of months with C4C, I think he's improved every LP...remarkable considering the gap between releases and he's getting better where, most rappers his age, are losing steam.
------------------------- “The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.” Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B
Firing Squad / First Family 4 Life / Warriorz (their apex)
they waited too long/got held up too long to put out a proper follow-up, and I for one was geeked to hear what the '01-03 Roc-A-Fella bunch was going to do with 'em.
but those three in a row? that's some real building. Throw in their debut, and they go from sounding low budget but hungry to professional.
13. "It's wierd that this isn't the default" In response to Reply # 0
Isn't it the natural progression to get better over time and experience?
It's just strange to me that the industry has become you start off hot and decline, instead of the other way around. That's the definition of building careers that don't last.
Tribe, Kast, Roots, Prince quickly come to mind for my list.
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21. "It is "weird" that that's the way it is, but..." In response to Reply # 13
it's not uncommon. I feel like WAY more often than not (at the very least, in hiphop), an artist's first album is their best and groundbreaking, and many of these artists struggle the rest of their career to regain that quality. Nas and Snoop come to mind immediately. That's why "sophomore slump" is such a popular phrase in music.
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42. "Well in Rap, you gotta understand the dynamics and how things change" In response to Reply # 13
It's nearly impossible to "improve" when you have to change your sound for almost every album, and can't just let in naturally evolve because it has to fit into certain criteria and guidelines of "what's hot."
It's not like Basketball, where improvement is universal. In Rap...things change TOO MUCH. What was dope in 1990 was already outdated by 92. 92 shit barely made it to late 93. 93 didn't make it to 96. 96 and 98 sound WAY diff.
So because of that...you HAVE TO keep up, otherwise the fans and critics aren't gonna enjoy your product. As much as we talk about flops, we see them happen for different reasons. In some cases, the sound is just identical to the previous product, and although it's just as good, it's like "we've already heard that..." so it doesn't move you. In other cases, they try to evolve and keep up, but it's like "the folks you're imitating now do it better than you...and this feels forced."
And yea, we can say "just make good music, stop following trends" and all that...but we know it's never gonna be like that, especially for commercially appealing artists.
When The Smoke Clears, Da Unbreakables and then Most Known Unknown. Because the one album released after When The Smoke Clears and Da Unbreakables were just soundtracks.
36. "RE: Three 6 u musta not heard Mystic StyLes in '95.. cLassic" In response to Reply # 35
They digressed on some of that newer shit. Mystic styLes was my shit back then. So to me that didn't get better. There best aLbum was the underground tape caLLed summer of '94 or summer of '95.... the one with be a reaL ni... beLieve in beatin hoes down on it... Lookin for the chewin
37. "RE: Three 6 u musta not heard Mystic StyLes in '95.. cLassic" In response to Reply # 36
>They digressed on some of that newer shit. Mystic styLes >was my shit back then. So to me that didn't get better. >There best aLbum was the underground tape caLLed summer of '94 >or summer of '95.... the one with be a reaL ni... beLieve in >beatin hoes down on it... Lookin for the chewin
To be honest, I've never heard that album and I won't checking for them then. I was more into Bone Thugs then.
43. "RE: Three 6 u musta not heard Mystic StyLes in '95.. cLassic" In response to Reply # 37
Man... u got to go back & get that one! That's Like saying ur a snoop fan but onLy fuck with The Last MeaL and the BLue Carpet Treatment aLbums but ain't ever heard DoggystyLe! Ur missing the best originaL shit... the song 'da summer'off mystic styLes lol. Don't sLeep. But the rawest shit they ever did was the Last underground tape they put out just before the Mystic StyLes aLbum.
Have u ever hard the Kingpin Skinny Pimp 'king of the pLayers baLL' aLbum? Its aLL produced by dj pauL & juicy j and came outin '96... its a cLassic gangster/pimp shit rap aLbum.
46. "RE: Three 6 u musta not heard Mystic StyLes in '95.. cLassic" In response to Reply # 43
>Man... u got to go back & get that one! That's Like saying >ur a snoop fan but onLy fuck with The Last MeaL and the BLue >Carpet Treatment aLbums but ain't ever heard DoggystyLe! Ur >missing the best originaL shit... the song 'da summer'off >mystic styLes lol. Don't sLeep. But the rawest shit they >ever did was the Last underground tape they put out just >before the Mystic StyLes aLbum. > >Have u ever hard the Kingpin Skinny Pimp 'king of the pLayers >baLL' aLbum? Its aLL produced by dj pauL & juicy j and came >outin '96... its a cLassic gangster/pimp shit rap aLbum. >
Wow, I never knew that. See for me, I began listening to their music when they dropped When The Smoke Clears. Who Run It was undeniable. But I never Mystic Styles was THAT album.
And I ain't never heard of Kingpin Skinny Pimp, I'll have to check that album out as well, thanks.
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