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lonesome_d
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"I don't think I'd realized how big this 'indie folk' thing is"


          

not that it's as big a force in pop music as folk was, say, 1959-1965, but I took a peep at the Top 40 albums list for the first time in many years. 3 of 'em were so-called 'indie folk' - Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men, I think the third was Mumford & Sons.

That's pretty... impressive to me, especially considering some of the relatively big names that aren't on the list currently - grandfathers of the scene like Bon Iver, Iron & Wine and Fleet Foxes, and newer guys that seem to be fairly popular with the kids like Tallest Man on Earth or Trampled by Turtles.

Sometime around 2005 or 2006 I did a post inquiring about the 2d tier and lower of the new acoustic rock scene and the distinct impression it left me with was that it was more or less a flash in the pan - a few big names that would achieve lasting fame, and a bunch of wannabes. These days it looks like I was wrong - the subgenre appears to be thriving across several bands, though a lot of them sound to me like acoustic emo, for better or worse. It leaves me scratching my head a bit, but in general any time there's an wave in pop music emphasizing acoustic instrumentation, including a good number of banjos, mandolins and fiddles, I'm in favor. Now if only more of the songs were better...

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The Carolina Chocolate Drops got a big co-sign here - OKP - or
Sep 14th 2012
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I've been riding for them for years
Sep 14th 2012
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RE: I've been riding for them for years
Sep 14th 2012
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they indie folk? I love them
Sep 18th 2012
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RE: But Mumford and sons are embarassingly bad.
Sep 14th 2012
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Most of those acts suck IMO
Sep 14th 2012
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      I'm not going to argue with either one of you guys on that point
Sep 14th 2012
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      RE: No idea what you mean by this.
Sep 16th 2012
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           Proggier
Sep 16th 2012
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                RE: No more or less than CSN+Y.
Sep 16th 2012
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                     RE: Also, talk to me about Renaissance.
Sep 16th 2012
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                          see, I think the Foxes are way proggier than CSNY
Sep 16th 2012
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                               RE: I don't know.
Sep 16th 2012
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                                    I think it's not just the tempo changes
Sep 17th 2012
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                                         RE: I really don't think they're very arty at all.
Sep 17th 2012
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                                              ummm... you still haven't heard the pre-Liege records?
Sep 18th 2012
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                                                   RE: Ahh, the first album!
Sep 18th 2012
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                                                        Percy's Song was the 3d album, and Ian Matthews had already split
Sep 18th 2012
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      Grizzly Bear?
Sep 14th 2012
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           too wall of sound
Sep 16th 2012
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                RE: Yes.
Sep 16th 2012
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                Eh...
Sep 22nd 2012
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                     I honestly love grizzly bear
Sep 23rd 2012
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                     i guess that was a bit unclear
Sep 23rd 2012
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Add Local Natives to the list, although they get a lot more grandiose at...
Sep 14th 2012
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I like Fleet Foxes and Tallest Man (also Bowerbirds)
Sep 16th 2012
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I Remember When They Use To Call Them Indie Acoustic Rock...
Sep 16th 2012
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lol, come to Portland.
Sep 16th 2012
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It's true, there's good and bad...
Sep 17th 2012
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      i like "Stonewall"
Sep 19th 2012
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i'm more into swedish americana.
Sep 17th 2012
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RE: Dude, have you heard the Bony King of Nowhere?
Sep 17th 2012
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      RE: oh, i like this.
Sep 18th 2012
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      I'd like that first one w/o the Ray Charles Singers-style bkg vox
Sep 18th 2012
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fleet foxes make me want to slit the throats of women and children
Sep 17th 2012
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you hate harmony & lush instrumentation? interesting.
Sep 17th 2012
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contrary to what you surmise, no...
Sep 17th 2012
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actually, I think there's a decent sonic variety within the subgenre
Sep 17th 2012
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first album is a classic
Sep 23rd 2012
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true
Sep 17th 2012
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hey, I like the Chamber Pop label
Sep 17th 2012
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      RE: hey, I like the Chamber Pop label
Sep 18th 2012
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           RE: hey, I like the Chamber Pop label
Sep 18th 2012
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                RE: hey, I like the Chamber Pop label
Sep 18th 2012
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It's just like any other genre/subgenre
Sep 17th 2012
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RE: It's just like any other genre/subgenre
Sep 17th 2012
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Do any of these newer artists possess any testicles?
Sep 17th 2012
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RE: Misfire.
Sep 17th 2012
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Nope. Virile.
Sep 17th 2012
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      RE: Pretty lighweight, in reality.
Sep 17th 2012
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           as great as the Kingstons were, they were the Mumfords of 1959
Sep 18th 2012
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                TAKE IT BACK.
Sep 18th 2012
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                     http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/34226473/The+Kingston+Trio+Kingsto...
Sep 18th 2012
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                          Well...
Sep 18th 2012
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Of course not, it's "Indie"
Sep 17th 2012
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finally!
Sep 17th 2012
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      RE: Really tired of this.
Sep 17th 2012
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           .
Sep 17th 2012
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           No question.
Sep 18th 2012
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you're only talking about the best of the best there, though
Sep 18th 2012
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      The Brothers Four were also VIRILE.
Sep 18th 2012
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How is a band like Mumford & Sons projected to sell 575-625k albums?
Sep 26th 2012
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i don't really get it either
Feb 05th 2013
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      RE: Well, that's exactly it:
Feb 05th 2013
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      Jake's comment above about the lack of distinction stands
Feb 05th 2013
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           RE: Jake's comment above about the lack of distinction stands
Feb 05th 2013
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                that divide has always been artificial
Feb 05th 2013
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                     RE: that divide has always been artificial
Feb 06th 2013
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                     RE: that divide has always been artificial
Feb 07th 2013
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                          RE: that divide has always been artificial
Feb 07th 2013
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                     old time jam
Feb 08th 2013
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                          bout to head out for lunch, will tune in after
Feb 08th 2013
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so, considering the Grammies, it looks like the 'arena folk' school
Feb 05th 2013
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Chris Richards is not ambivalent (swipe)
Feb 05th 2013
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      dat ether
Feb 05th 2013
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      grade A hate, there.
Feb 05th 2013
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      *vomits*
Feb 07th 2013
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           meh, I wouldn't say awful, just... kinda ordinary.
Feb 07th 2013
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                Sapped all the soul out of it
Feb 07th 2013
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      lol
Feb 07th 2013
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Lil B closer to being Guthrie than any popular indie-folk artist is
Feb 05th 2013
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This shit needs to die asap. Snooze fest...Soulless bland garbage
Feb 06th 2013
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anyone familiar with the lumineers?
Feb 07th 2013
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lol
Feb 07th 2013
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yeah i didn't see your post til after i posted
Feb 08th 2013
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They sound more country to me... Good none the less
Feb 07th 2013
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      you don't deserve to live
Feb 07th 2013
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      Can I live?
Feb 07th 2013
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      definitely not country... they do aim for Americana image, sure
Feb 08th 2013
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           therein lies the "indie"
Feb 08th 2013
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RE: I don't think I'd realized how big this 'indie folk' thing is
Feb 08th 2013
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hey!
Feb 08th 2013
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      (-ey-ey-ey-ey-ey---)
Feb 08th 2013
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c71
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1. "The Carolina Chocolate Drops got a big co-sign here - OKP - or "
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somewhere else a short while ago

Cornbread and butterbeans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xOxHyTP91c

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2. "I've been riding for them for years"
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(not necessarily for that song, which is on the hokier side of things)

but I like old-time music in general, and that's not really the kind of stuff I'm talking about (though some of it does use old-timey instrumentation). CCDs and Old Crow Medicine Show aer more... traditional-minded in their song structure than the 'indie folk' stuff I had in mind. But it's not like it's a line set in stone, so...

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3. "RE: I've been riding for them for years"
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>(not necessarily for that song, which is on the hokier side
>of things)
>

that song is wack

I was just throwing it out there.

  

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42. "they indie folk? I love them"
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yea I guess that's where they fit

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4. "RE: But Mumford and sons are embarassingly bad."
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I mean, jeezohman, are they bad.

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6. "Most of those acts suck IMO"
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Fri Sep-14-12 08:21 PM by Jakob Hellberg

          

They are more marginal "singer-songwriters" than folk IMO. I'd like to see a modern day and trendy equivalent to Pentangle: dudes who play their asses off with cool arrangements and instrumentation and shit. Unfortunately, stuff like that isn't compatible with indie-/post-punk values that seems to praise mediocrity in musicianship, singing etc. above everything which is strange because those genres were originally the playground for excentrics with killer ideas. Whatever, old man rant over. If anyone can recommend some stuff that is NOT Bon Iver-style whiny and miserable dude with guitar stuff, let me know...

  

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7. "I'm not going to argue with either one of you guys on that point"
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but Austin, it's kinda funny that you're clowning Mumford while gushing over Fleet Foxes. Not that they're the same, but they share some of the same flaws, and the Foxes are wankier.

Jake, as for guys who can really play, if you haven't taken my recommendation on Ben Sollee yet, he's got it. His latest album does lean a little bit indie-folk but it's still decent.

Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSeQpvBdsg8

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10. "RE: No idea what you mean by this."
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>Foxes are wankier.
>

And do you ever check your email?

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13. "Proggier"
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>>Foxes are wankier.

I've drawn the comparisons to Renaissance on here before.

>And do you ever check your email?

More often than you do, apparently!

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14. "RE: No more or less than CSN+Y."
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Why don't you answer, man! Jeez!

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16. "RE: Also, talk to me about Renaissance."
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Because I've seen an album or two in the dollar bins. . .

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17. "see, I think the Foxes are way proggier than CSNY"
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or the Byrds or most of the acts people compare them to. It's like CSN is the only act with great harmonies and acoustic guitar, but the songwriting is way different. (Then again, I only listened to the first Foxes record a few times, so maybe I'm putting undue emphasis on how menadering the songs were, and maybe they changed it up on the second.)

You ever notice how Bon Iver at his best sounds like one of our favorites? You can't tell me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePatJIwB-sI doesn't sound at least summat like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk8OsZESTxg, yeah? (not as good, of course, but...)

as for Renaissance, Scheherezade was the big album and the only one I have. I probably look a little more kindly on it now... I liked it a lot when I first got it, then got a little put off by its intentional hifalutinness. One thing you can't deny is Annie Haslam's voice though. (there is one serious Renaissance fan somewhere on the boards, if you can believe it.)

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19. "RE: I don't know."
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I don't hear much "prog" in Fleet Foxes or CSN+Y, honestly.

I actually despise the whole notion that mid song tempo change = PROG!!!

And honestly, besides that one thing that they've done a few times (certainly no more than CSN+Y), they're a lot closer to middle period Kinks, David Axelrod's less orchestrated material, some of the Pentangle's stuff and definitely Deja Vu (seriously, I love Fleet Foxes, but I'm not going to try and pretend like they didn't steal 80% of what they do from 'Carry On', 'Deja Vu' and 'Country Girl').

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26. "I think it's not just the tempo changes"
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it's the intentional aim for Art... it seems very self-aware and striving for importance, both musically and lyrically, in a way that CSNY never has to me (though it may to others).

But like I say below to thebigfunk, maybe my ears are working differently, I dunno. I mean, based on a writeup like this guy's http://www.collapseboard.com/blogs/wallace-wylie/fleet-foxes-vs-fairport-convention/ I should love the Foxes. So... *shrug*

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33. "RE: I really don't think they're very arty at all."
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Not in the way Bon Iver, or say even, Andrew Bird (to make this fair and name someone I actually really like) are.

And I don't mind someone being arty. David Axelrod is the king of making seemingly simple music into high art (and vice versa).

Fleet Foxes sound nothing like Fairport Convention to me. Fairport never had harmonies, Fleet Foxes have never used fiddles. Bad comparison.

Helplessness Blues musically actually reminded me a lot of Solomon's Seal, amongst other things.

Here's a good Andrew Bird song that's not very "chamber pop" (which is a term I also don't care for): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIsFagXdiYc

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44. "ummm... you still haven't heard the pre-Liege records?"
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>Fairport never had harmonies,

and to think I just emailed you that at least two of them are more or less essential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvDinvnMwk

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55. "RE: Ahh, the first album!"
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Tue Sep-18-12 06:42 PM by Austin

  

          

When they were the Byrds!

Yes, I DO have that one, but it's so unlike what they ended up sounding like, I forget about it (even though I like it).

So, yes, technically they DID have harmonies. But I still stand firm that Fairport is a very poor comparison.

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56. "Percy's Song was the 3d album, and Ian Matthews had already split"
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Tue Sep-18-12 10:11 PM by lonesome_d

          

so they were doing those harmonies WITHOUT the male lead.

I actually tried to find Book Song (from What We Did... with Ian and Sandy singing lead together) but it doesn't appear to have been uploaded by anyone.

*shrug*

I dunno. I don't want the comparison in particular, b/c I LOVE Fairport up through 1970, and I'm not fond of the Foxes. So I'm not mad if you don't hear the comparison. Just thought it was funny that others have heard it.

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8. "Grizzly Bear?"
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I hate Mumford & Son and Bon Iver (Like you said, very whiny and boring as hell) but find Grizzly Bear to actually make credible folk rock that even ppl who grew up in the 60's and 70's could appreciate.

  

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9. "too wall of sound"
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too arty/"avant-garde"

  

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15. "RE: Yes."
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Talk about trying too hard.

Some good tunes, but jeez.

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58. "Eh..."
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I just listened to the album and didn't find it either avantgarde/artsy or folk or wall of sound but rather pretty straight and mediocre late 60's revival; not necessarily derivative but not distinct enough either.

Considering that two of my favorite "folk-rock" albums-Comus "First utterance" and the debut of Älgarnas Trädgĺrd (both albums I've name-dropped here several times)-are about as "artsy" and avant-garde as it gets, I don't know why that would be a problem.

I find it pretty strange to get typecasted like this when I have mentioned numerous times that I actually love a lot of artsy/avantgarde music (Cecil Taylor is quite avantgarde, right?) including rock in that vein (psychedelia, kraut-rock, post-punk, noise-rock etc.)...

Disliking Radiohead and thinking that modern rock-criticism and cool indie-trends are too biased towards "esoteric" music layered with abstraction over straighter styles does NOT equal disliking artsy/avant-garde music...

  

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59. "I honestly love grizzly bear"
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point me towards these late 60s groups lol

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60. "i guess that was a bit unclear"
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i wasn't talking to you in my reply, rather replying to the statement that grizzly bear "actually make credible folk rock that even ppl who grew up in the 60's and 70's could appreciate." maybe i was overly dismissive, but that isn't how i hear that band.


>I just listened to the album and didn't find it either
>avantgarde/artsy or folk or wall of sound but rather pretty
>straight and mediocre late 60's revival; not necessarily
>derivative but not distinct enough either.
>
>Considering that two of my favorite "folk-rock" albums-Comus
>"First utterance" and the debut of Älgarnas Trädgĺrd (both
>albums I've name-dropped here several times)-are about as
>"artsy" and avant-garde as it gets, I don't know why that
>would be a problem.

i was comparing grizzly bear with the other contemporary "indie-folk" artists mentioned in this thread, not saying it was too avant-garde *for you.*

  

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But those guys ROCKED art schools across the country, I know a few people whose listening habits were never the same after hearing Gorilla Manor. A girl I was fooling with that summer never took it out of her car stereo once, I must have heard it all the way through a hundred times without trying to.

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11. "I like Fleet Foxes and Tallest Man (also Bowerbirds)"
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But I don't really hear much redeeming in Bon Iver or Mumford & Sons personally.

I suppose Joanna Newsom also gets this label usually, and I love her stuff.

  

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12. "I Remember When They Use To Call Them Indie Acoustic Rock..."
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...but now they're called indie folk rock, I thought that some just went the southern rock route but was still considered acoustic rock artists but I guess that sub-genre has gotten to wide so it's time to divide them up again.


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that shit reigns supreme here



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but my absolute favorite if they can be lumped into this category is Run On Sentence http://runonsentencemusic.com/

They're essentially from Portland. I've seen various incarnations of their performances from just Dustin with a guitar to the full band and every one has been one of my favorite live shows.

Edit: One of my favorite songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPW7bWOTs3o

No idea what's up with the Will Smith graphic on that youtube link.

  

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http://toallmyfriends.bandcamp.com/track/lonesome-cowboy

  

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thanks, austin!

  

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second one is pretty nice... somewhat early Cohenish, I find it.

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21. "fleet foxes make me want to slit the throats of women and children"
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what an absolutely horrendous band.

most of the acts under this "genre" employ the same dull tropes like they come from the same school school of empty sentimentality.

not to mention the hand claps...the fucking hand claps.

SHESUS CHRIST!!!

fuck 'em.

  

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23. "you hate harmony & lush instrumentation? interesting."
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dischord & robotic noise is much better im sure


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and i'd prefer if you never addressed me directly. "people with shitty taste in music annoy me," so go back to championing mariah carey and sisquo collaborations and feigning interest in black metal.

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24. "actually, I think there's a decent sonic variety within the subgenre"
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from the stark solo guys all about atmospherics, to lush harmonies and production, to combinations of the two (Mountain Man), and instrumentation ranging from standard acoustic rock to the more traditionally old-timey.

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2nd album, not so much.

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but I think it's probably better to just expand the term to "singer/songwriter" (or singer/songwriter-ish), because that's really what's gained prominence over the last ten or so years, I think - singer/songwriters that have nevertheless front really talented (often acoustic-ish but not always) bands. Folks like Conor Oberst/Bright Eyes (whose stuff has really grown on me over the last year or so - can we talk about the influence of Saddle Creek Records on the trend you're describing?)

With that in mind, a few names I'd add to the list:
- Sam Amidon - brilliant guy, probably the most "pure" of the contemporary folkies in a certain sense, but also the one of the most out there... he's also managed to work himself into the "new music" scene (which has a lot overlap with contemporary folkish stuff) via Nico Muhly.

- I think that Andrew Bird and Owen Pallett should both be recognized here, although their stuff works more as "chamber pop" (terrible label) than nu-folk, and of course someone like Sufjan Stevens

- There's a good number of folks on the border of indie and mainstream - Ray Lamontagne, Josh Ritter - that I think have helped to maintain the singer/songwriter image beyond the strictly P-fork crowd; I still think Ritter is one of the best songwriters we've seen in a long time, though he's yet to top Animal Years

- And a surprising number of female acts are starting to gain attention: Laura Marling, Emmy the Great (who reminds me of Dar Williams), Ane Brun, Anna Ternheim - all of these are pretty straightforward in their approach, with Marling having an especially older sound (due I think to her voice)

I know that the scope I'm describing is wide, but I think it's more realistic in terms of the networks these folks move through; it also shows the prominence of the acoustic model beyond the single "folk" paradigm.

On the folks you named: Mumford & Sons are eh, Of Monsters and Men I'm neutral on (my fiancee likes them a lot). I really can't understand the Fleet Foxes dislike at this point - they're talented guys who have dropped one very good record and one flat out amazing one (Helplessness Blues). I also don't understand the Bon Iver hate much: I don't love the guy, but he's actually pretty good at what he does and his last album was far more interesting than I expected (liked it a lot more than For Emma). I think sometimes he gets flack for being the P-fork/indie image of the hipster-folkster hybrid, when his music is actually pretty engaging (to me anyhow).

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25. "hey, I like the Chamber Pop label"
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it conjures up an exact sound to me that's very identifiable.

>but I think it's probably better to just expand the term to
>"singer/songwriter" (or singer/songwriter-ish),

for some of the acts (Trampled By Turtles, Lumineers, Mumford) the 'folk' aspect is definitely in the instrumentation. But that's about the only tie to traditional folk music that any of these acts have, unless someone I haven't heard yet is out there using traditional song structures and whatnot.

>- Sam Amidon -

Haven't heard much from him, but his Wedding Dress makes all other versions except Pentangle's irrelevant.

>- Andrew Bird and Owen Pallett

don't know the latter.

>- There's a good number of folks on the border of indie and
>mainstream - Ray Lamontagne, Josh Ritter -

Add Amos Lee.

That said, it's surprising to me how popular those guys are, without the support of the pitchfork types. When we saw Ray last year, it was a crowd of like 6 or 8 thousand... in the rain. Guess it's the AAA support.

>- And a surprising number of female

never heard any of those ladies. Have you heard Mountain Man? Good, stark stuff.

> the acoustic model
>beyond the single "folk" paradigm.

Oh, most 'folk' hasn't been 'folk' for 40 years. And the definition of 'folk' varies hugely (more than ever) depending on the audience. I was looking through one of the archived folk posts (someone looking for recommendations, I think) recently and it certainly drives this point home.

> I really
>can't understand the Fleet Foxes dislike at this point -

I listened to the first, a few tracks from the second. I agre that they're talented, but... the songs didn't do anything for me. Can't really explain it further than that, esp. since I haven't listened closer in a long time.

> I also
>don't understand the Bon Iver hate much:

Hate's a strong word... I found 'For Emma' atmospheric, but again, the songs with a few exceptions (re:Stacks, linked above, was the standout) didn't do much for me. Never got around to listening beyond that.


And I think that last bit - that since the biggest representatives of the subgenre haven't moved me or drawn me in - has led me to being snuck up on by how big it's all gotten.

On the other hand, my tastes are just clearly not in line with whatever is making these records popular with the kids today... two other OKPs who don't listen to folk have inboxed me with basically 'hey man, just wanted to let you know I'm loving this Mumford & Sons... folk music is way better than I thought!' So, I dunno.

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43. "RE: hey, I like the Chamber Pop label"
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>it conjures up an exact sound to me that's very
>identifiable.

I actually agree with you - it's probably more precise than a lot of other genre terms - but the label itself is so cloying (even though a lot of the music it represents is stuff I really enjoy)

>>- Sam Amidon -
>
>Haven't heard much from him, but his Wedding Dress makes all
>other versions except Pentangle's irrelevant.

Of all the newbies that I know, he's one I think you'd really really enjoy, precisely because he's big into traditional tunes and actually performs them in a recognizable but new way.

>>- Andrew Bird and Owen Pallett
>
>don't know the latter.

He def fits into the "Chamber Pop" label but has a slightly less dynamic, more subtle sound... he used to go under the name Final Fantasy, but when he broke out he changed his name. He incorporates more electronics into his act (percussion in particular, but he also does a lot with general loops and synths) but still has a core of acoustic instruments (violin and guitar, like Bird).

http://youtu.be/wem8v73JzbE

>>- There's a good number of folks on the border of indie and
>>mainstream - Ray Lamontagne, Josh Ritter -
>
>Add Amos Lee.
>That said, it's surprising to me how popular those guys are,
>without the support of the pitchfork types. When we saw Ray
>last year, it was a crowd of like 6 or 8 thousand... in the
>rain. Guess it's the AAA support.

Absolutely - but it's also important to remember, I think, that Pitchfork is a far less defined set of listeners than we tend to imagine, and that many folks who check out P-fork also rely on any number of other venues (AAA radio, for one, or AAA radio as filtered through public radio, lol).

The sad thing is that they get ignored by other folks because they're not indie enough (pfork has only reviewed two ritter albums and no lamontagne albums). Especially sad considering how good they both are, particularly Ritter as a songwriter.

>>- And a surprising number of female
>
>never heard any of those ladies. Have you heard Mountain Man?
>Good, stark stuff.

I haven't but they've been on my list - so I'll check them out soon!

Ane Brun - "Humming One of Your Songs" - http://youtu.be/cY3O8LEXTnA

Emmy the Great has come up through more traditional singer/songwriter channels I think, albeit overseas:
http://youtu.be/-2q_Lpk2JUQ (not the best quality, but I love the informality of that video)

Laura Marling (I think you might really like her, this song actually reminds me of Leonard Cohen in a way): http://youtu.be/cQWNq3SY-2c

Anna Terheim: I think this is a really great performance, she's more ina a southern/Americana sort of vein: http://youtu.be/afjRIFjsPJI

>Oh, most 'folk' hasn't been 'folk' for 40 years. And the
>definition of 'folk' varies hugely (more than ever) depending
>on the audience. I was looking through one of the archived
>folk posts (someone looking for recommendations, I think)
>recently and it certainly drives this point home.

Oh for sure. We've talked about this in the past - I think the term at this point, specifically in relation to the supposed indie scene (which also needs a new name), doesn't really work except for those bands that are intentionally working to incorporate some sense of an older sound/style into their aesthetic.

>On the other hand, my tastes are just clearly not in line with
>whatever is making these records popular with the kids
>today... two other OKPs who don't listen to folk have inboxed
>me with basically 'hey man, just wanted to let you know I'm
>loving this Mumford & Sons... folk music is way better than I
>thought!' So, I dunno.

lol - it might useful to note that Europe is a big contributor to this newest wave (M&S are English, Of Monsters and Men are from Iceland, Laura Marling is also English, Ane Brun is actually Norwegian I think) - so I think we're hearing a bit more influence from non-Americana aesthetics creeping in, which gives it more of a "folk" inflection (along the lines of British folk).


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48. "RE: hey, I like the Chamber Pop label"
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> He incorporates more electronics into his act (percussion in
>particular, but he also does a lot with general loops and
>synths) but still has a core of acoustic instruments (violin
>and guitar, like Bird).
>
>http://youtu.be/wem8v73JzbE

I like that sound (using fiddle as core instrument, also use of loops to construct pieces like that), but MAN those lyrics are dreadful.

And his fiddle tone is surprisingly weak. Better than mine, but I mean...


>Ane Brun - "Humming One of Your Songs" -
>http://youtu.be/cY3O8LEXTnA

smoky voice, nicer words, good delivery... song kinda plods though

>Emmy the Great
>http://youtu.be/-2q_Lpk2JUQ

lmao @ 'falling into rabbit holes and never coming out' with regard to the convo in this post and some of the bands discussed therein.

Song is very nice, though. Indie-fied lyrics, but a more trad song structure, if that makes sense.

will try to listen to the rest later...

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52. "RE: hey, I like the Chamber Pop label"
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>
>> He incorporates more electronics into his act (percussion
>in

>I like that sound (using fiddle as core instrument, also use
>of loops to construct pieces like that), but MAN those lyrics
>are dreadful.
>
>And his fiddle tone is surprisingly weak. Better than mine,
>but I mean...

lol - I can understand that on the lyrics. He's definitely, like Bird, on the intentionally arty end of things... I think he's actually been doing a lot with that intersection of instrumental/classical and indie musics right now (same intersection Amidon's been traversing a bit)


>lmao @ 'falling into rabbit holes and never coming out' with
>regard to the convo in this post and some of the bands
>discussed therein.
>
>Song is very nice, though. Indie-fied lyrics, but a more trad
>song structure, if that makes sense.
>
>will try to listen to the rest later...

lol, As I was responding to the earlier post I thought, "Man, I'm not even sure why I mentioned some of these guys" but I figured I'd just go with it anyway. Of everyone I mentioned, Amidon and Marling are probably the closest to something more traditional in sound and content, but both are still very modern and innovative....

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27. "It's just like any other genre/subgenre"
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Once something gets even marginally popular, you're going to find a crash of "mainstream" artists who dilute the artform by emphasizing the biggest/blandest/most obvious portions of it in order to make it friendly to a wide audience.

The "indie folk" thing has been happening for a minute now - even limiting ourselves to recent years, in the early 2000s you had My Morning Jacket, Iron & Wine, and Bright Eyes as the standard bearers (and I'd even argue that the "indie folk" thing jumped off of "alt-country," but that's a whole other argument). There was also a concurrent rise of "indie bluegrass," with acts like OCMS and Nickel Creek, among others. Bands like Band of Horses, Fleet Foxes, Grizzly Bear, etc. all followed, and began to gain a decent following from the Pitchfork set.

You can debate the merits of these bands all you want, but I think it can be pretty readily agreed that for the most part, they aren't "radio friendly," or whatever you want to call it. That said, they had a certain cache from being part of the new/cool/"hip" genre of music, and were ready to be coopted. Grizzly Bear's songs have a certain catchiness, and plenty of big euphoric/cathartic moments, but they aren't going to move units with the Abercrombie/Hollister set. Enter a group like Mumford & Sons, who takes the most basic elements of this genre (acoustic instruments, banjos, shouts, claps, etc.) and rolls them into teen-friendly pop songs full of shouted choruses. Then their success begets acts like Of Monsters and Men, who have hand claps and either a "Hey!" or "La la la la" as a key vocal component in EVERY SONG (no joke). It's music that is tailor made for the masses to chant along to at summer music festivals.

But...I don't think it's really indie folk. It's merely pop music masquerading under a different guise. It's similar to how Foster the People hit it big with a dumbed-down version of the dance/rock/pop that LCD Soundsystem and Hot Chip did/do so well, or how countless scores of bands continue to cash in by emphasizing the lesser elements of Nirvana (loud guitars, gruff/tortured vocals) while missing the actual things that made that band special (decent lyrics, actual heartfelt emotion, subtext and sublety, etc.). It's pop music, plain and simple. Mumford & Sons is either the Irish Dave Matthews Band or the bluegrass Skrillex, take your pick.

  

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30. "RE: It's just like any other genre/subgenre"
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>The "indie folk" thing has been happening for a minute now -
>...
>thing jumped off of "alt-country,"

hmmm... I do hear a lot of Will Oldham in some of these guys, minus the quirks, but not much of anyone else from that scene. Guess some Avetts too, maybe. I tend to hear more of the anti-folk guys in this stuff, run through a pop filter: Brenda Kahn, Paleface, Kirk Kelly, maybe even Ani D.

Haha... Paleface is listed on the Wikipedia entry for 'indie folk.' Damn.

> There was also a concurrent rise of "indie
>bluegrass," with acts like OCMS and Nickel Creek,

hmmm... thing about Nickel Creek, was, stylistically, they're way different from this stuff... I tend to think of them more as a pop interpretation of 'new acoustic' music/newgrass. Plus they came up through the normal routes to folk success, embraced by that community - unlike these other guys who seem to act & find success outside the folk fest circuit.


> Enter a group like
>Mumford & Sons, who takes the most basic elements of this
>genre (acoustic instruments, banjos, shouts, claps, etc.) and
>rolls them into teen-friendly pop songs full of shouted
>choruses. Then their success begets acts like Of Monsters and
>Men, who have hand claps and either a "Hey!" or "La la la la"
>as a key vocal component in EVERY SONG (no joke).

hah. Lumineers too... I only made it through a few songs. I actually heard one on the radio today and it was instantly identifiable (and more or less forgettable too, a big problem I have with a lot of these bands - hence my original comment on the songs).


>But...I don't think it's really indie folk.

Well... not really interested inparsing labels. That seems to be what the target audience for it is calling it, so that's good enough for me.

>It's pop music, plain
>and simple. Mumford & Sons is either the Irish Dave Matthews
>Band or the bluegrass Skrillex, take your pick.

lnmao. And the Lumineers are the American Mumfords.

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32. "Do any of these newer artists possess any testicles?"
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This is a serious question. I've looked for some of the names mentioned in this post on youtube and watched some videos, and as best as I can tell, these artists are quite good at mimicking the melodies, arrangements, and production of the early '60s, but have failed to capture in any meaningful way the strength, urgency, or testicular fortitude of the classic folk artists.

Listening to Fleet Foxes is a bit like having my scrotum deflated with a shop-vac. These artists seem to forget that:

- Dylan was SCATHING
- Seeger was a REVOLUTIONARY
- The Kingston Trio were VIRILE

And the women too:

- Baez was BITTERSWEET
- Odetta was POWERFUL

These are not the characteristics I've noticed among the newest generation of folkies. But I'm old and hate everything, so maybe I'm wrong.

  

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34. "RE: Misfire."
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>- The Kingston Trio were VIRILE
>


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36. "Nope. Virile."
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http://youtu.be/tJ79tR0y5Qk

  

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37. "RE: Pretty lighweight, in reality."
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Good, but very much "lite."

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45. "as great as the Kingstons were, they were the Mumfords of 1959"
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they might be even worse, though, from a 'folk' perspective and even a 'ballsy' perspective... the frat look (matching shirts? c'mon)... vocal coaches, professional arrangers, label direction as to song choice, and a high degree of corn.

Then again, it's hard to argue that the end result frequently involved better songs. 'San Miguel' is one of the best records ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t5knRANfMY

damn.

My pop has a story about being in a bar one night where some poor heartbroken sap played that song so many times in a row on the jukebox that the owner unplugged the damn thing.

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51. "TAKE IT BACK."
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53. "http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/34226473/The+Kingston+Trio+Kingsto..."
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http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/34226473/The+Kingston+Trio+Kingston+Trio.jpg

and y'know, you'd think they would have grown out of that. BUT

http://www.kingstontrioplace.com/KingstonTrio2010.jpg
& even better (and by better, I mean worse)
http://www.rainierconcerts.com/userfiles/Image/KingstonTrio2a.jpg


as for balls.. man, you ever understand what they did to a song like Worried Man Blues? To take
"I went cross the river, and I lay down to sleep, when I woke up, I had shackles on my feet" and turn it into
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcjXRiIHmnw
just to avoid any sort of the political stigma associated with 'folk music'?
And you say they had balls? Pfft.

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54. "Well..."
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...I'm not gonna sit here and argue that I'm not wrong, because I'm often wrong, but you know, what IS wrong? What is right? How do we determine which is which? Is what's wrong one day right the next? Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes what's right is also wrong, right? Like the man once sang, if loving you (not you personally, lonesome, but whoever the man was singing about, and of course whatever loved one we might have in mind while singing along with the man in the car--not that the man is actually in the car with us (though he might be, except that I think he'd dead now, but I could be wrong), but what comes on the radio) is wrong, I don't wanna be right. And sometimes you're in the right place at the wrong time, or the wrong place at the right time, I can never remember which, but that was a different man who I think is not dead, but I could be wrong about that too.

So that's basically how I feel about The Kingston Trio.

  

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35. "Of course not, it's "Indie""
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38. "finally!"
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39. "RE: Really tired of this."
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Nobody with stereotypically loud guitars and mean mugging faces could release an album half as soul bearing as Helplessness Blues.

Sorry. It just won't ever happen.

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40. "."
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49. "No question."
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Take 'Someone You'd Admire.' Great song. Resonates like a motherfucker. A relatively minor song on their sophomore album that shits all over everything Mumford and Sons have ever done. I'm not even going to mention 'Montezuma.'

I'm 100% with you on the Foxes. They're definitely a few notches above the vast majority of their peers. The second album showed a significant amount of growth in pretty much all aspects of the music (and lyrics).

I actually hear more Simon & Garfunkel in a lot of their stuff than CSN though, personally.



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46. "you're only talking about the best of the best there, though"
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>- Dylan was SCATHING - the best singer/songwriter ever
>- Seeger was a REVOLUTIONARY - the best folksinger ever
>- The Kingston Trio were VIRILE - the best commercial folk artists ever


>- Baez was BITTERSWEET - the best song interpreter of her times (except maybe Judy, imho)
>- Odetta was POWERFUL - one of the best folk singers ever (though I preferred her voice as she aged more and lost the operatic influence a bit)


but for every one of those, there were guys like
The Serendipity Singer
The New Christy Minstrels
The Rooftop Singers (though, hey, I like 'Walk Right In' and they made Gus Cannon somewhat wealthy for the first time in his life)
The Brothers Four
The Chad Mitchell Trio
The Limeliters

I'm with you on the idea that the 'folk' music of that period was generally better, and all of the above have some good songs, but to act like it was ALL honest-to-goodness, balls-to-the-wall stuff is being selective about your history. The market was even MORE satursated then, and it was just as corny.

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50. "The Brothers Four were also VIRILE."
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As for the best of the best: who's the best of today's best?

Guaranteed they're NEUTERED.

  

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62. "How is a band like Mumford & Sons projected to sell 575-625k albums?"
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http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news09134m01

Please help me understand.

  

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64. "i don't really get it either"
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i actually like some of their songs and think they have musical talent, but for them to be so enormously more successful than other folk/indie artists puzzles me. the main terrestrial radio station i've been listening to for the last few months occasionally plays their music (the lesser known songs, not the 2 or 3 big hits that have crossed over into pop and rock), and it just blends in with the other songs played rather than sticks out as better. it's like the masses were given permission to like this one band to fulfill any interest whatsoever in folk music.

  

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65. "RE: Well, that's exactly it:"
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The production is very radio-friendly. So, even if they don't play normal rock band instruments, they're made to sound like they do.

That, and the singer totally professes his love for jesus whenever possible.

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66. "Jake's comment above about the lack of distinction stands"
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I feel like I have a better understanding now of the styles paraded as 'indie folk' and some of the musicians in it than I did when I made this post.

But yeah, I think we all have some of the same thoughts on why it's both commercially successful and not so appealing to guys like us.


My current hope however is The Stray Birds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AklipCs-mzw - jury's still out but they seem to bring their love of old-time into their pop songs, and not just in terms of instrumentation (like Trampled by Turtles).

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67. "RE: Jake's comment above about the lack of distinction stands"
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>I feel like I have a better understanding now of the styles
>paraded as 'indie folk' and some of the musicians in it than I
>did when I made this post.
>
>But yeah, I think we all have some of the same thoughts on why
>it's both commercially successful and not so appealing to guys
>like us.

i've thought of returning to this post in recent weeks/months with some names of artists i've heard on shows such as
http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/capital-americana/
http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/etown/
http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/friday-night-free-for-all/
http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/mountain-stage/
http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/open-mic/
but felt it a bit premature since i am so far only familiar with them through the radio (however many hours per week i listen and check names of who i hear) and some youtube performances . still, this post has been in the back of my mind especially with regard to the pseudo-folkies craze happening in larger mainstream music because some of these obscuros and cult/niche following artists covered on WAMU bluegrass country and its syndicated shows are just as good if not far better, so it's really made me wonder about what is that x factor that makes the difference between 5,000 fans and 5 million fans.


>My current hope however is The Stray Birds:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AklipCs-mzw - jury's still out
>but they seem to bring their love of old-time into their pop
>songs, and not just in terms of instrumentation (like Trampled
>by Turtles).

will watch, thanks

another show i enjoy is http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/old-time-jam/

  

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68. "that divide has always been artificial"
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>CAN'T RESIST

sound quality not quite good enough.. encouraging to see though.

>still, this post has been in the back of my mind especially
>with regard to the pseudo-folkies craze happening in larger
>mainstream music because some of these obscuros and cult/niche
>following artists covered on WAMU bluegrass country and its
>syndicated shows are just as good if not far better, so it's
>really made me wonder about what is that x factor that makes
>the difference between 5,000 fans and 5 million fans.

I've been asking that question of the folk and rock communities for 25 years, and some of the successes in one but not the other have puzzled me.


>http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/old-time-jam/

you've always got the suggestions...

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73. "RE: that divide has always been artificial"
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>sound quality not quite good enough.. encouraging to see
>though.

your guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QcFMAiVx6A

  

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75. "RE: that divide has always been artificial"
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>your guy:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QcFMAiVx6A

better than the studio version, which felt a little stale/overdone to me. Also encapsulates the eclecticism that's his best feature.

Plus, his fiddlers are always hot women. Mmm.

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76. "RE: that divide has always been artificial"
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>Plus, his fiddlers are always hot women. Mmm.

that's how i found that performance; she also toured with bonnie 'prince' billy.

  

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87. "old time jam"
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>>http://bluegrasscountry.org/programs/old-time-jam/
>
>you've always got the suggestions...

3-hour show just started:
http://bluegrasscountry.org/

  

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90. "bout to head out for lunch, will tune in after"
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63. "so, considering the Grammies, it looks like the 'arena folk' school"
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has clearly won.

WXPN has also been losing their shit over the Lumineers recently.

I remain pretty much ambivalent.

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69. "Chris Richards is not ambivalent (swipe)"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/the-lumineers-more-boring-than-rousing/2013/01/31/e8dbdf9e-6b95-11e2-ada0-5ca5fa7ebe79_story.html

By Chris Richards,
Jan 31, 2013 02:48 PM EST

The Washington Post Published: January 31
A Lumineers gig comes with heaps of “HEY!” and “HO!” and “OH!” and “WHOA-OH-OH!” and it doesn’t take long for everything to start feeling very “meh.”

The ascendant Denver troupe performed to a capacity crowd at DAR Constitution Hall on Wednesday night, strumming empty-calorie folk-rock anthems for an anthem-famished audience.


And its audience is growing. The Lumineers’ self-titled debut album peaked at No. 2 on the Billboard albums chart this week, and the band will be up for best new artist at next weekend’s Grammy Awards. Like that of the Avett Brothers and Mumford & Sons before them, the Lumineers’ music feels like a slow-drip coffee break from the countless hours we spend navigating our digital lives. We lust after bands playing old-timey instruments the same way we lust after vintage clothing, craft beer and exposed-filament light bulbs.

Wesley Schultz gets that. A few songs into Wednesday’s gig, the Lumineers’ frontman asked fans to keep their smartphones in their pockets and get into the moment. It’s hard to condemn that request, but over 15 songs, his band’s exultant sense of all-togetherness seemed bland and hollow.

It was most evident during “Ho Hey,” a cute little ditty about predestined love, and the Lumineers’ biggest hit. Instead of delivering the song from the stage, the band bounded through the crowd and offered an unplugged rendition from the sound board at the back of the room.

Kinda fun, yeah, but what was the point? “They said it couldn’t be done,” Schultz announced when he returned to the front of the room, pretending that something which happens routinely at Taylor Swift concerts was, here, some kind of triumph. The gimmick finally curdled when the band played the song again at full volume later in the set.

And for much of that set, Schultz roamed the stage with high steps, as if marching through dog mess, or snow, or dog-messy snow. With a voice that approached the rasp of Rod Stewart, he was an engaging bandleader until you realized you were tallying the times his fedora had dramatically fallen from his head (eight).

Meanwhile, drummer-vocalist Jeremiah Fraites appeared to rue the day that he agreed to keep time for this band. He leapt up from behind his drum kit after nearly every song, wandering around between numbers with a serious case of the look-at-me’s. His drumming (uninventive) and his demeanor (needy) signaled a man averse to risk — a hunch all but confirmed by the fact that he wore suspenders and a belt.

Schultz and cellist-vocalist Neyla Pekarek exhibited something resembling chemistry during an untitled new duet that pantomimed two lovers in conversation. The verse sounded like “Santa Baby” while the refrain borrowed some OH-OH-AH-OHs from Katy Perry’s “California Gurls.”

But this is Schultz’s band through and through. He’s the one to credit for the Lumineers’ fleeting melodic charms and the one to blame for the band’s lack of momentum onstage. By bantering with the audience smack dab in the middle of his songs, he routinely spoiled The Moment he had encouraged his audience to get into.

“Thanks for standing up,” he gee-whizzed amid the stomp and bleat of “Stubborn Love,” as if patting the audience on the head for getting out of chairs was more important than taking everyone deeper into the song. And in the middle of covering “Subterranean Homesick Blues,” Schultz delivered a helpful footnote: “This is a song by Bob Dylan. If you don’t know it, you should look it up.”

The Lumineers closed the set with a cover of the Talking Heads’ “This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody),” replacing the song’s glossy quirks with rustic jingle-jangles. It was as if they had pushed the song through an Instagram filter, turning something crisp and beautiful into something smudged and boring.

At least they made it their own.



The Lumineers will perform at Merriweather Post Pavilion on July 26.

POEM-CEES
KOKAYI/CAESARZ
SPP WAXWORKS (DC)

THAYLOBLEU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=701fChgN9H4

  

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71. "dat ether"
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72. "grade A hate, there."
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side note: I can't fuckin stand when a band plays the same song twice during the same concert. Instant loss of points that ells me you have no confidence in your catalog beyond your HIT.

Other side note: I have absolutely no desire to hear the Lumineers do Subterranean Homesick Blues. Or to tell me that it's something I should look up.

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77. "*vomits*"
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http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2012-08-22/this-must-be-the-place-the-lumineers-cover-naive-melody-for-you-oughta-know-live/

Holy shit this is awful.

  

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79. "meh, I wouldn't say awful, just... kinda ordinary."
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80. "Sapped all the soul out of it"
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I'd rather listen to Phish cover Talking Heads, and I've never used the phrase "rather listen to Phish" in my entire life. That's how I know it's awful.

  

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78. "lol"
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70. "Lil B closer to being Guthrie than any popular indie-folk artist is"
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74. "This shit needs to die asap. Snooze fest...Soulless bland garbage"
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81. "anyone familiar with the lumineers?"
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are they good? do they fit into this genre? a friend was telling me they are really good.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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82. "lol"
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so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

  

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89. "yeah i didn't see your post til after i posted"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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83. "They sound more country to me... Good none the less"
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84. "you don't deserve to live"
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85. "Can I live?"
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86. "definitely not country... they do aim for Americana image, sure"
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but it doesn't translate to their music all that much and I doubt they have a particularly strong understanding of or relation to roots or folk music.

I find their music to be very much what Jakob was talking about above as 'indistinct.'

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so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

  

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88. "therein lies the "indie""
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91. "RE: I don't think I'd realized how big this 'indie folk' thing is"
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From their song that's been on the radio, "Little Talks", I didn't realize that Of Monsters and Men were intended as folk. Now that I know, I realize that the key to identifying these bands is often the collective shouting of the word "hey" with additional reverb.

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Games without front ears / born without ears

  

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92. "hey!"
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so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

  

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93. "(-ey-ey-ey-ey-ey---)"
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http://soundcloud.com/ajiav
http://www.last.fm/user/ajiav

Games without front ears / born without ears

  

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