Are EP's "LAZY" musically to you? Why not full LP Release?

Over the years I have seen 6-8 track EP's but why not go ahead and make it a 10-12 track Album? EP's seem like a tease and a wasted release to me. Just my thoughts but questions.......

1. What do you feel about EP's?
2. Should EP's be free and just considered Promo for upcoming LP?
3. What is some of your Fav EP's over the years?
4. Do you feel EP's are lazy or serve their purpose?
5. Any random comment from a different perspective..

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If your talking to me, I pay for music that I like. You might have me confused with some other posters on here.

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when done well, and as long as full lengths are also released..

look at someone like Curren$y.. he drops full lengths but then still serves up some dope EPs like Covert Coup or Cigarette Boats.. he gets to showcase his work with a single producer and they don't need a full length to do it.. just get together on the weekend/week and record a bunch of tracks..

i like EPs when they are done in a manner that fills in the gap between full length releases.. it's not lazy at all, if anything it shows that these artists KEEP working even if it's just for a free/cheaper project

now if all you're doing is releasing EPs every 6 months that only have 3-4 tracks.. then maybe there's an issue? but even then, the artists i encounter doing that are usually house/electronic types, and they are usually grinding on remixes, live mixes, live shows throughout the year, so i can't really call em lazy..

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...albums I can start and finish, I like EP's a lot.

I seem to get the complete thought that way.

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I feel you..

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I like a good EP. Sometimes it's a good format for an artist to cut loose and do something different that might not play well over the course of a full album - collaborations with unexpected other artists, cover songs, experimenting with genres or sounds, etc. Or it's a good way to release a few older songs, remixes, stuff that doesn't quite fit in with the new material you'd expect on an album. And sometimes they go into the studio with ideas, record a few songs, and suddenly aren't feeling it any more - by all means release the good, inspired stuff and don't fake your way through some filler to round out an album.

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No matter what you consider them, it still takes financial resources to create 8 song projects instead of 16 song ones...so no, no piece of music under a certain length of running time should be free by default. A lot of albums SHOULD have been EP's in the first place anyways.

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8 songs with 6 bangers>>>>>> 18 songs with 4 to 6 bangers

No, its a question for a hip hop site. Nothing more, nothing less. I grew up in the LL Cool J era but I dont think this mean that a simple question on a music site is wrong. EP's or 6-8 track collections of tracks is nothing new in hip hop or music in general. Just wanted to see what you guys thought..

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if someone has a story/message to tell, ideally it should be conveyed in as concise a manner as possible.
the idea that a project is not complete if it isn't comprised of 17+ songs is ridiculous, imo.

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a 4 song EP isn't an EP to me. that's a dope singLe w/ bonus tracks... but there's been artists who tried to pass that shit off as a EP.


now a 9 song joint that is pretty sLammin---- that is a fresh EP.


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without having to go through all the channels a full release goes through in terms of marketing, clearance, bean counters, etc....

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A lot of the albums I've been listening to for the last few years have been clocking in around 40-some minutes. A 9 song project is only a couple cuts from being a full album these days.

As long as the effort is there, why force filler onto an album where you don't have anything more to say after 8 tracks? As long as it's well put together I don't care how long an album is, if every song is heat and you got nothing more to say as an artist, put it out as is.

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I can resepct that..

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i don't know why i can't think of more, but eazy had a couple.

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Our understanding of proper album length has been really shaped by the medium (the record, the cd) and by the economics of the music industry... there is nothing inherently normal or natural about an album being 80 mins long (or x tracks deep).

length should be determined by what the artist wants to do with a given release, and that "what" can encompass any number of goals.

One of my favorite releases when I was younger was Tori Amos's Hey Jupiter EP. It had a remix/diff. version of HJ, two popular b-sides recorded live, a wonderful and disturbing organ version of 'Professional Widow', and a live cover tune (Somewhere over the rainbow). She had several discs like this (I can think of two from Little Earthquakes, at least one from UtP, and one legit one from Boys for Pele), usually including a single from her major release of the time, a cover or two, and a few b-sides.

With Tori, the EP worked ... it allowed her non-album tracks to circulate and gain as much of a fanbase as her album material and dropped a few extra crumbs to engage listeners in the process. I'm sure the rec company didn't mind, but neither did the fans. And at a time when materially collecting an artist's output still offered a sense of satisfaction, it certainly added to Tori's mystique and mythology...

All of that being said, I don't think shorter releases are used as effectively as they could be... folks should take a lesson from early Tori, lol...

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Here's something off kilter rather than you're used to from me or I wanted to get these ideas out before I attempt another full opus etc.

At least that's how ep's were in my generation.



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Some of my favorite bands/ artists work is on EPs. Sometimes a song or two just doesn't fit with your album, and you want to mess around with some new sounds/ instruments/ voices, and you really want to cover an obscure song that you love. Put those 6 songs on 12" of vinyl, charge 8 bucks for it, and go on tour and make some rent money for when you're cutting your new album.

I actually just got Black Market Clash 10" and the Gang of Four yellow EP in the mail today, so my opinion of EPs is pretty high right now.