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go mack
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"Are Above the Law unsung?"


  

          

It seems most people under 30 don't know anything about the group. One of my favorite groups ever with 5 solid albums before they became completely irrelevant. Do they have any classic albums or just really good albums? I'd argue for Livin Like Hustlers is classic and Uncle Sam's Curse borderline. The tommy boy albums shouldn't be slept on either but after that they just couldn't keep with the times and everything seemed pretty stale altho Hutch's first solo album was pretty solid.

How do you feel of Cold 187um as a rapper and producer? KMG? Will they ever get their due as pioneers of the west coast sound along with Dre or will they remain forgotten for the most part with the young audience?

  

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I think so...
May 19th 2012
1
Good, you shouldn't waste your time.
May 21st 2012
27
definitely, I'm 35 & know em but if I hadn't moved to LA awhile back
May 19th 2012
2
RE: definitely, I'm 35 & know em but if I hadn't moved to LA awhile back
May 20th 2012
12
Black Mafia Life definitely came out after but to me Dre had been
May 21st 2012
23
My boy from Pomona is 28 and said they got more love out there
May 20th 2012
18
Exactly.
May 21st 2012
28
definitely.
May 19th 2012
3
see to me the peak of their 'attention' was Livin Like Hustlers
May 19th 2012
4
that was the peak, but I think 'V.S.O.P.' was their first widespread hit
May 20th 2012
6
      you don't remember these joints on 'Yo' being show multiple times:
May 21st 2012
25
           wow, I haven't seen that in like.... 10 000 years.
May 21st 2012
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                RE: wow, I haven't seen that in like.... 10 000 years.
May 22nd 2012
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hear hear
May 20th 2012
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LOL, yeah! he looks hilariously young in that video.
May 20th 2012
14
      RE: LOL, yeah! he looks hilariously young in that video.
May 20th 2012
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RE: definitely.
May 20th 2012
13
      RE: definitely.
May 20th 2012
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           RE: definitely.
May 20th 2012
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                RE: definitely.
May 20th 2012
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They put the U in Unsung
May 19th 2012
5
from the late 80s to the late 90s they had one hell of a run
May 20th 2012
7
Most of the group got locked up...
May 20th 2012
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I love Livin Like Hustlers and Black Mafia Life
May 20th 2012
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RE: I love Livin Like Hustlers and Black Mafia Life
May 20th 2012
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You missed a damn solid album "Legends"
May 20th 2012
21
They are, especially in L.A.
May 20th 2012
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Black Superman is one of the most gangsta beats of all-time!
May 20th 2012
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that song is epic!
May 21st 2012
24
They played Black Superman on KDAY a lot when I first got out here in 04
May 21st 2012
26
as someone who just got hipped to them via my westcoast roadtrip post
May 21st 2012
30
This thread made me pull out Black Mafia Life again
May 23rd 2012
32
Murder Rap was an epic cut back then
May 23rd 2012
33
hell yeah (c) dead prez fucking right (c) wheel chair jimmy
May 23rd 2012
34

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1. "I think so..."
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Sat May-19-12 12:59 PM by ry 213

          

I agree with what you said. Living Like Hustlers is definitely a classic, and the group is so underrated. Time Will Reveal is actually my favorite of their albums. They had a 5 album run that is almost unmatchable in hip hop.

You cant overlook 187's production work either. Kokane Funk Upon a Rhyme is considered a near classic, plus all the tracks he produced for Eazy, Ren, Frost, Kam, etc...

Im not going to get into how Dre stole his sound from ATL...

  

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27. "Good, you shouldn't waste your time."
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Mon May-21-12 06:45 PM by Brew

          

>Im not going to get into how Dre stole his sound from ATL...

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2. "definitely, I'm 35 & know em but if I hadn't moved to LA awhile back"
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I very well could have basically forgotten about them by now.

I kinda had a hard time as a kid not feeling like that wave right after NWA (CMW, ATL, even to a lesser degree Quik for a brief second) wasn't sorta riding the wave that Ice-T but especially NWA had carved out (and I still don't buy the claims that ATL somehow 'created g-funk' when Dre helmed the first record and to me they didn't fully embrace that sound until after Muggs & NWA's last album) but I've come to understand them more along with the nuances that separate ATL from NWA as well as Pomona from Compton.

Uncle Sam's Curse is my favorite even though it's probably less 'important' than Livin Like Hustlers. Love both though.

>It seems most people under 30 don't know anything about the
>group. One of my favorite groups ever with 5 solid albums
>before they became completely irrelevant. Do they have any
>classic albums or just really good albums? I'd argue for
>Livin Like Hustlers is classic and Uncle Sam's Curse
>borderline. The tommy boy albums shouldn't be slept on either
>but after that they just couldn't keep with the times and
>everything seemed pretty stale altho Hutch's first solo album
>was pretty solid.
>
>How do you feel of Cold 187um as a rapper and producer? KMG?
>Will they ever get their due as pioneers of the west coast
>sound along with Dre or will they remain forgotten for the
>most part with the young audience?
>

  

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go mack
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12. "RE: definitely, I'm 35 & know em but if I hadn't moved to LA awhile back"
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Can't remember if Black Mafia Life came before or after The Chronic, think it might have been slightly after but could be that Dre heard Hutch working on the beats.

starting at 1:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNtP4CCEVE

  

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23. "Black Mafia Life definitely came out after but to me Dre had been"
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making records in that vein dating back to the time he was still in NWA with 'Alwayz Into Something' & Muggs was messing with similar whiny/high-synthisizer sounds on Cypress Hill's debut from that same year (both predating ATL's record by a good year and a half maybe two).

  

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28. "Exactly."
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>(and I still don't buy the
>claims that ATL somehow 'created g-funk' when Dre helmed the
>first record and to me they didn't fully embrace that sound
>until after Muggs & NWA's last album)

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3. "definitely."
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Sat May-19-12 04:25 PM by Dr Claw

  

          

>How do you feel of Cold 187um as a rapper and producer? KMG?
>Will they ever get their due as pioneers of the west coast
>sound along with Dre or will they remain forgotten for the
>most part with the young audience?

the definition of them.

and strangely enough when I became really aware of them... it was through a STANLEY CLARKE/GEORGE DUKE record of all things.

Cold 187um is as good as any of them. I don't think people really started paying attention until BLACK MAFIA LIFE hit.

  

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4. "see to me the peak of their 'attention' was Livin Like Hustlers"
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>>How do you feel of Cold 187um as a rapper and producer?
>KMG?
>>Will they ever get their due as pioneers of the west coast
>>sound along with Dre or will they remain forgotten for the
>>most part with the young audience?
>
>the definition of them.
>
>and strangely enough when I became really aware of them... it
>was through a STANLEY CLARKE/GEORGE DUKE record of all things.
>
>
>Cold 187um is as good as any of them. I don't think people
>really started paying attention until BLACK MAFIA LIFE hit.
>
>
Untouchable & Murder Rap both got a lot of run on the main rap video programs.

After that back east they became less & less visible from my memory.

  

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6. "that was the peak, but I think 'V.S.O.P.' was their first widespread hit"
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at least that was the first video of theirs I remember seeing multiple times.

They had been out a couple years at that point.

  

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25. "you don't remember these joints on 'Yo' being show multiple times:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWpsoc-D7z4&ob=av2e

^^^LOL, I guess Santa Monica looks more like the backdrop for an 'untouchable' boss than Pomona. Now that I wouldn't have been able to differentiate back when I was making 'VHS Pause Tapes' after school with rap videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQz6lvh9dKI&feature=relmfu

Anyway, I remember these videos from back then, that Ruthless stamp of approval, Dre production & Eazy cameo was pretty huge in 1990 (particularly since we were in a holding pattern with no NWA album in 89/90).

  

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29. "wow, I haven't seen that in like.... 10 000 years."
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQz6lvh9dKI&feature=relmfu

this video, I remember. But I only saw it once.


"Murder Rap" I never caught the video, but that song was one of my favorites by them. The good old days of NOISE rap!

  

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31. "RE: wow, I haven't seen that in like.... 10 000 years."
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>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQz6lvh9dKI&feature=relmfu
>
>this video, I remember. But I only saw it once.
>
>
>"Murder Rap" I never caught the video, but that song was one
>of my favorites by them. The good old days of NOISE rap!

yup, that was Dre channeling Bomb Squad on that cut.

  

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9. "hear hear"
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>and strangely enough when I became really aware of them...
>it was through a STANLEY CLARKE/GEORGE DUKE record of all things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-gUC5ege-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3UEh_ojJ4w

man, the dramatic Dukey keys-intro had me hooked already when i had bought a fresh album copy from the store when it was just out.

and one of Rahsaan's first recordings, about 5 or 6 years before his debut.


(in response to reply #6)

  

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14. "LOL, yeah! he looks hilariously young in that video. "
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>man, the dramatic Dukey keys-intro had me hooked already when
>i had bought a fresh album copy from the store when it was
>just out.
>
>and one of Rahsaan's first recordings, about 5 or 6 years
>before his debut.

that live version from Arsenio is fire, BTW.

  

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15. "RE: LOL, yeah! he looks hilariously young in that video. "
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>that live version from Arsenio is fire, BTW.


lolz, yup... and the video quality surprised me as well

  

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13. "RE: definitely."
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kind of wish I would have made this post before Old Pro made his departure. Know he was a big fan, says a lot for someone that genuinely doesn't care much for hiphop lol He could have probably added a lot to this post tho.

  

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16. "RE: definitely."
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>kind of wish I would have made this post before Old Pro made his departure.
> Know he was a big fan, says a lot for someone that genuinely doesn't care much for hiphop lol He could have probably added a lot to this post tho.


Oh wow, sorry to read he left. I'm checking here on the board occasionally so i wasn't aware of that. Had some cool chats with him before and enjoyed his mixes and tributes on his radio station, such as for Cameo, Slave, The Time, and iirc also a mix from Zapp.

  

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20. "RE: definitely."
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he may be back someday and may still lurk, board was taking too much time away from his life which is understandable

  

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22. "RE: definitely."
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>he may be back someday and may still lurk, board was taking
>too much time away from his life which is understandable


ah okay, i see
thanks again for the feedback

  

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5. "They put the U in Unsung"
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They had a solid run.

5 solid albums

1 GREAT album. Uncle Sam's Curse is a GREAT album.. Many artist cant claim a great album.

Big Hutch Cold 187 is the master of G Funk.
NOT Warren G or Dr Dre..

  

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7. "from the late 80s to the late 90s they had one hell of a run"
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then they completely disappeared

damn shame...they were ahead of their time

  

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8. "Most of the group got locked up..."
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I know Cold 187 was locked up for a few years and only recently got out. You can tell prison really fucked him up because he doesnt have the same musical talent any more. His voice is harsh and angry and not smooth like it used to be. He has some new music coming out on Insane Clown Posse's label Psychopathic Records, and its tailored towards their fan base. Its a damn shame, if he could make music for his old fan base and stick to the smooth g funk he could make enough money off touring to make a decent living...

  

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10. "I love Livin Like Hustlers and Black Mafia Life"
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Uncle Sam's Curse had some very strong cuts but was a bit of a drop off from the previous two albums IMO. I stopped checking for them after that. What did I miss?

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11. "RE: I love Livin Like Hustlers and Black Mafia Life"
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The Tommy Boy albums Time Will Reveal and Legends are definately worth checking out, anything after that nah.

Here's one of my fav cuts from Legends:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hjTp3R10sY

  

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21. "You missed a damn solid album "Legends""
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Hutch music and production had more original instruments, less sampling and they matured but still kept it OG.

It was grown folks and gangster all at once.

  

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17. "They are, especially in L.A."
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For people under 30, I'd even say 35, they just don't get love from most folks here...I feel like they never really appealed to the youth in the way that DPG/NWA, Quik, and all of them did.

I rarely even heard "Black Superman" on the radio from like 93 on.

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19. "Black Superman is one of the most gangsta beats of all-time!"
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OutKast, Gang Starr, UGK, Mobb Deep and Eightball & MJG

  

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24. "that song is epic!"
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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
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26. "They played Black Superman on KDAY a lot when I first got out here in 04"
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at least Julio G did, everytime he'd say 'we're gonna take it to Pomona' I'd get excited on my ride home knowing that was coming.

  

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30. "as someone who just got hipped to them via my westcoast roadtrip post"
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ID SAY YA
i was doing a skim of "livin like hustlers" afer it got reccomended like "how have i never heard this before"
and it seems like half their shit isn't even on itunes for whatever reason.
so ya, def. flying under the radar

  

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32. "This thread made me pull out Black Mafia Life again"
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33. "Murder Rap was an epic cut back then"
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the video and all

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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34. "hell yeah (c) dead prez fucking right (c) wheel chair jimmy"
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I think they was unsung when they was hot, if you really wanna know.

  

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