"the earnestness of "Please Listen to my demo" is missing in hip hop" Wed Apr-04-12 02:12 PM by ABROCK33
thats *a big part* of what turns me off about the new artists
I can't feel their boasts. They dont SOUND sincere because they arent
EPMD believed in their music so much they just wanted a chance-the same as most artists but their expierence and rejection not only fueled them to success but kept their music grounded
now their isnt a paid dues faze to even reminesce about
the internet has really changed the game up
you can literally record your first song put it on youtube and u are an internet star
everybody wants to come into the game proclaiming their greatness without haveing earned it or gone through the ropes first
BDK ghostwrote and djed first
LL begged Rick to get on
JZ was Jaz's boy abd BDK's hypeman
Nas was hanging around the studio sessions of Eric B & Large Pro
etc...
u get the point
Im not sayin that some of todays artist dont struggle to get there at all but today the struggle is diffrent
it reflects in the sincerity of the music
I think this played a part and played an important part into the fabric of the Golden Age of hip hop
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2. "and the process has an impact on the final product" In response to Reply # 1
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-------------------- "Good hair"-Uzi
1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?) forced to serve-too broke to by freedom the systematic rape of African culture has begun little time
4. "u mean the same Drake that was a tv star b4 he made music?" In response to Reply # 3
he REALLY paid dues. writing rhymes while getting his face powdered
Ill give u Kanye tho
how many more Kanyes are their tho?
-------------------- "Good hair"-Uzi
1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?) forced to serve-too broke to by freedom the systematic rape of African culture has begun little time
6. "Nah, you gotta give it to Drake" In response to Reply # 4
It's not as if hip-hop heads or females fans were getting hard ons over a paraplegic. In a genre concerned with real that image hurt him especially considering the audience he was going for (it's not like he's Childish Gambino). He grinded hard and documented those grinds in his raps.
>he REALLY paid dues. writing rhymes while getting his face >powdered > >Ill give u Kanye tho > >how many more Kanyes are their tho? >
He grinded >hard and documented those grinds in his raps.
how hard did he really have to grind tho really? dude was a paid actor on a popular tv show
regardless of his role I can gaurentee that the salery he made from acting allowed him to pay for and establish conections that the average person his age looking to break into hip hop just wouldnt have
he may actualy have worked hard at it. I dont doubt it but thats like a sportplayer who wants to make music. they already have enough money and free time to pursue it and alot of times run in the same social circles as the artists so it isnt as hard as you or I tryin to make it
Im sorry I just can't accept Drake as a hard luck case
-------------------- "Good hair"-Uzi
1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?) forced to serve-too broke to by freedom the systematic rape of African culture has begun little time
10. "This part right here:" In response to Reply # 7
>regardless of his role I can gaurentee that the salery he made >from acting allowed him to pay for and establish conections >that the average person his age looking to break into hip hop >just wouldnt have
Yep. You hit it right on the head. I agree 100%
If NOTHING else, he had a headstart on dealing with agents, paperwork, and the legalities of the entertainment business.
He was probably in contact with SOMEBODY who could walk him through somebody else's door.
5. "i think you're overreacting" In response to Reply # 0
yes, there were MC's who were really passionate about trying to get on and it showed in the hunger in their music, and i agree about the social aspect being missed in music.
but if you listen to modern MC's like Action Bronson, and Danny Brown and Kendrick Lamar and tell me those guys aren't hungry or interested in making quality music than i don't know what to tell you.
the main issue is that the ratio of hot to wack music that's in the public awareness is way too low. for every one Action Bronson or Danny Brown or PORN or Big KRIT, there's like 8 Million no bodies clogging up the airspace. add in the fact that there are no labels or no informal means of artist development and you have what we have now.
if anything the success of hip-hop is to blame since back in the days of EPMD and LL the music *had* to be good, otherwise no one would listen to it. now a days there are so many outlets and ways to sell music, there's not the same standard to sell enough to earn a living.
8. "generalizing yes, overeacting no" In response to Reply # 5
Im not questioning their hunger or passion. Im more so pointing out that the steps theyve taken in their career progresion as so diffrent than the tradtional route that it shows something in their music and leaves alot to be desired
add in the fact >that there are no labels or no informal means of artist >development and you have what we have now.>
artists have to develop themselves which intially the hip hop artists we have universal love for did. u think Juice Crew had a Motwownlike etiquette coach? Wutang was notorious for rebelling agaiinst any sort of A&R development and it ultimatly lead those rejected individuals to combine forces and form Wutang. That point that hip hop artists need to be developed by and A&R like in other music genres actually goes against the fabric of hip hops roots
>if anything the success of hip-hop is to blame since back in >the days of EPMD and LL the music *had* to be good, otherwise >no one would listen to it. >
their were always bad artists and seperations in the level of artistic superiority. the diffrence was then the artists policed themselves and competitivly kept each other on their toes. Subsequentialy the public began to expect and demand a certain level of quality. Now a days THAT is whats missing.
-------------------- "Good hair"-Uzi
1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?) forced to serve-too broke to by freedom the systematic rape of African culture has begun little time
9. "you make a good point about the artists self-policing themselves" In response to Reply # 8
and i think in general there was a more unified community in hip-hop back in the time your referencing, but then again hip-hop comprises alot more than the 5 boroughs and break-beats like it did during the golden age.
as a side note, i think the internet is great for established acts to get music out (Radiohead) or keep your fans excited by giving them fresh material, but i don't think there's an act outside of Justin Beiber (and the benefits of that is debatable. i couldn't tell you a song of his if my life depended on it.) that's really been of consequence that's broke with the help of the internet.
i think the internet gives *too* much immediate feedback and kind of interrupts the traditional process of an artist honing their craft until they think it's ready to get acceptance. plus there's enough people telling an act they're good, even if they aren't, that there probably isn't enough of a drive to get mass acceptance.
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