I just read in Sly: The Lives of Sylvester Stewart and Sly Stone that it was rumored that the two were suppose to collaborate but Warners Brothers denied the story.

I always wondered why they never did collaborate, especially given the fact that Prince is a Sly Stone fan.

believe me back in 88 Prince was still a commerical force to will it and make it happen however Sly didn't go through with it.

its a good thing it didn't happen because Prince gave George Clinton paisley duds with his time with Prince.

James brown turned Prince down as well.

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>believe me back in 88 Prince was still a commerical force to
>will it and make it happen however Sly didn't go through with
>it.
>
>its a good thing it didn't happen because Prince gave George
>Clinton paisley duds with his time with Prince.
>
>James brown turned Prince down as well.
>
>


Dang, I never knew this!!!! Really? Why?

Are there or were there like songs that Prince specifically penned for Sly to record? What was Sly's thoughts on Prince, because Sly's music is at the core of Prince's music.

Sly on the real respects Prince, however he wasn't in awe of him like that. they have similaritys, etc.. however Prince is the better instrumentalist IMO, however sly did everything better for my money.

better songwriter

better producer

better arranger

and sly feels most acts took from him and he doesn't bother.

i heard a story once of how Sly was in the car with Bobby Womack and he asked Womack to turn the radio on to see what was playing and when Womack turned it on, Sly told him to turn it off because he felt whatever the song was playing was just biting his thing.

Prince didn't have no money tracks for no Sly Stone Man.

Sly wrote standards how many true standards has Prince written for anyone else on the real?

Prince's thing worked best for Prince's thing, but on other people it just sounded like his music with there vocals on it. for a cat like Sly Stone you gotta make a statement song.

actuallly back in 86 i heard about Prince trying to give, Sly and James tracks.

this is the thing, cats respected Prince's talent, however they didn't want his songs like that.

He wasn't that kind of a Songwriter for anybody else but himself and that is a fact.

his thing worked well for himself and his clique. beyond that it was some hit and alot of miss.

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>Sly on the real respects Prince, however he wasn't in awe of
>him like that. they have similaritys, etc.. however Prince is
>the better instrumentalist IMO, however sly did everything
>better for my money.
>
>better songwriter
>
>better producer
>
>better arranger
>
>and sly feels most acts took from him and he doesn't
>bother.
>
>i heard a story once of how Sly was in the car with Bobby
>Womack and he asked Womack to turn the radio on to see what
>was playing and when Womack turned it on, Sly told him to turn
>it off because he felt whatever the song was playing was just
>biting his thing.
>
>Prince didn't have no money tracks for no Sly Stone Man.
>
>Sly wrote standards how many true standards has Prince written
>for anyone else on the real?
>
>Prince's thing worked best for Prince's thing, but on other
>people it just sounded like his music with there vocals on it.
>for a cat like Sly Stone you gotta make a statement song.
>
>actuallly back in 86 i heard about Prince trying to give, Sly
>and James tracks.
>
>this is the thing, cats respected Prince's talent, however
>they didn't want his songs like that.
>
>He wasn't that kind of a Songwriter for anybody else but
>himself and that is a fact.
>
>his thing worked well for himself and his clique. beyond that
>it was some hit and alot of miss.
>

Wow, this is all really interesting. I never knew any of this. The part about Sly and Womack listening to the radio and all too. But I do agree, Sly is an innovator and Sly is his own man and only Sly can write, produce, arrange etc a Sly Stone song or album if it's a Sly Stone song or album. He's just that unique in my opinion. Sly has such an unique way of writing, that he makes it seem so effortless. There's nothing complex about it. And his songs are anthems and themes.


I just got around to checking out the song he did with Earth Wind and Fire, "Good Time" tonight and that's a really interesting song. It sounds like Sly was working with some type of talk box or something.

I wonder how the Jesse Johnson and Sly Stone collabo came about though.

You are actually having a back and forth with yourself !

Again.

Wow !

What the blood claaat ???

but "good time" sounded kinda corn IMO. i have the heritage album.

also back in 89 "just like a Teeter ooter, Sly was on this song on the bar kays album back in 89 which had the hit song "struck by you'

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way more than sly

1999
Little Red Corvette
Purple Rain
Let's Go Crazy
Erotic City
Love Bizarre
7779311
The Walk
Cool
The Bird
Gigolos Get Lonely Too
Manic Monday
Nothing Compares To U
Diamonds and Pearls
Do Me Baby

I could go on for days.. in fact, way more than Sly.
That's how many lol

Purple rain, little red corvette, when doves cry, kiss,lets go crazy, 1999 i can agree

and those ain't seeing no everyday people

no hot fun in the summertime

no family affair

no dance to the music.

you like alot of these purple turkeys on here don't know nothing about songwriting and it shows.

Sly Stone's songs are played as if they just came out yesterday and we are talking 40 plus year old songs.

Prince's hey day as a songwriter at best is from 82-86 and even that ain't seeing no Sly.

who is covering who in concert? last i checked Prince was still covering sly and the family stone live.

Prince ain't never wrote nothing special for an outside act that wasn't a protege.

he ain't got that kind of skills in him as a Songwriter.

the stuff he wrote for George Clinton,Mavis Staples, Larry Graham, Chaka Khan, was cute at best.

nothing memorable for an act not associated in directly with him.

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Peace to the Gods.

Prince met sly in LA when he first got signed. Where he recorded his first album sly had one of the studios on lock. When they met he was so coked up he couldn't walk - it scared Prince. He never wanted to work with the man. The only reason why people thought Sly and Prince would do something is cause Sly did do something with Jessie. Also when the Camille records surfaced people at first likened it to Sly and thought he might have been invovled cause of the unreleased nature of the material and the mystery involved.


James never turned Prince down. James thought Prince was over the top nasty and never really saw Prince's power - he was also dedicated to Michael.

Maxx, I love you bro but none of this is true.

That had to be a very interesting moment.

Michael Jackson met Prince back in 78 and other folks knew about Prince.

nobody goes unnoticed in the business.

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> Michael Jackson met Prince back in 78 and other folks knew
>about Prince.
>
>nobody goes unnoticed in the business.

Oh ok, I understand.

and Lionel RIchie's all 3 of there solo albums at different points however it didn't happen.

i mean acts checked out who the latest flavor was. nobody in the game goes unnoticed because cats are booked into various studios especially back then.

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>and Lionel RIchie's all 3 of there solo albums at different
>points however it didn't happen.
>
>i mean acts checked out who the latest flavor was. nobody in
>the game goes unnoticed because cats are booked into various
>studios especially back then.
>
>

Oh ok, that's understandable especially if it's someone just coming into the game and it's a new talent.

And Maurice White really would've had a lot of work for himself. That's amazing.

back then Maurice White was the hottest producer in R and B music.

would have been intersting for all 3. matter of fact quincy jones dug reece he always said he was amazed at how reece had jazz in his grooves. q marvled at that about maurice white.

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>back then Maurice White was the hottest producer in R and
> B music.
>
>would have been intersting for all 3. matter of fact quincy
>jones dug reece he always said he was amazed at how reece had
>jazz in his grooves. q marvled at that about maurice white.

Oh ok, so Maurice was doing his then back. I didn't know that he was producing outside of Earth, Wind and Fire.

he produced on barbara Streisand, and of course acts on his Arc label.

him and Charles Stephney produced on eartth,wind and fire.

however White had a boutique label through COlumbia records called Arc

which had earth,wind and fire on there

the emotions and deniece williams.

he also Produced "Sun goodess" for Ramsey lewis back in 74 which featured Earth,wind and fire in the studio and of course the live version.

Maurice White worked with Neil Diamond,barry manilow and the urban knights smooth jazz Project.

he had Kalimbia Productions and now has Kalimbia records. his own label.

he was the hottest Producer in the game back in 77,78,79

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>he produced on barbara Streisand, and of course acts on his
>Arc label.
>
>him and Charles Stephney produced on eartth,wind and fire.
>
>however White had a boutique label through COlumbia records
>called Arc
>
>which had earth,wind and fire on there
>
>the emotions and deniece williams.
>
>he also Produced "Sun goodess" for Ramsey lewis back in 74
>which featured Earth,wind and fire in the studio and of course
>the live version.
>
>Maurice White worked with Neil Diamond,barry manilow and the
>urban knights smooth jazz Project.
>
>he had Kalimbia Productions and now has Kalimbia records. his
>own label.
>
>he was the hottest Producer in the game back in 77,78,79

I never knew all of this. Thanks for the info!

>Prince met sly in LA when he first got signed. Where he
>recorded his first album sly had one of the studios on lock.
>When they met he was so coked up he couldn't walk - it scared
>Prince. He never wanted to work with the man. The only
>reason why people thought Sly and Prince would do something is
>cause Sly did do something with Jessie. Also when the Camille
>records surfaced people at first likened it to Sly and thought
>he might have been invovled cause of the unreleased nature of
>the material and the mystery involved.
>
>
>James never turned Prince down. James thought Prince was over
>the top nasty and never really saw Prince's power - he was
>also dedicated to Michael.
>
>Maxx, I love you bro but none of this is true.



This^^^^^^

Indeed...It's well known in Prince circles (Alan Leeds tells the tale) that while Prince was a Sly STAN he was turned off by the master's brutal coke addiction...And let's be clear...Sly was doing some of his most epic coke throwdowns in the '80s...And Prince, being the control freak that he was, wanted no parts of that unpredictable behavior...He also held Sly on a pedestal, so seeing his hero like that hurt that dude...

The thing with Prince in the 80s is he could deal with controlled drug issues (Morris, George Clinton, Vanity)...Remember, coke was like smoking blunts in the 80s...shit was everywhere and in the celebrity world it was as normal as socks....But when it went over the top, that spooked the Midget...And Sly was about as over the top as you could get...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

On the dock of that bay serving a life sentence,even if I’m going to hell I’m gonna make an entrance

FYI James Brown turned down "Chcolate" Prince offered that to him back in 86.

matter of fact there was a gig where Prince was jamming at some event and he wanteed George Clinton to get on stage and jam with him and instead George duke did.

he got the wrong George for what he wanted.

yeah Sly met Prince and respected his talent, however Prince couldn't bring no song that would match the classics that Sly wrote and that is a fact.


FYI Sly didn't think much of "Crazay" either with Jesse Johnson matter of fact he was quoted as saying that and also he didn't know what it meant.

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Sly didn't like the song and still doesn't know what it is about.

The rest is made up.

but James Brown did turn down chocolate from Prince.

since you all everything purple i thought you knew this?

Prince was trying to give songs away and couldn't.

next you will say I'm making it up about Prince trying to recruit Mikki Free to be the lead singer of Mazarati and that Dick Griffey the head of Solar Records told Prince yeah Mikki Free can go, but you gotta give me 3 million dollars.

tell me that is made up as well why don't you?

i use to follow everything out of minneapolis back in the day. you would be surprised.

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1. James Brown Turned Prince down? Obviously, you never heard the Godfather and Aretha do "Give me your love"...

The remix was done by PAISLEY PARK...

2. Owen Husney and Prince turned Maurice down for the first album...

3. And finally, what Murph said

Get the Fuck outta here with that Bullshit....

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i mention "gimmie your lovin" and that was send over by Narada Michael Walden for the remix, Prince didn't write or Produce it, he remixed it with the Paisley stamp, big difference.

the original song didn't have any Prince involvement and at the time "gimmie your loving" was send for Prince to add to the mix James Brown was on Lockdown 1)

Verdine White was offered the spot at Producing Prince's debut and Prince told Hussey he only plays Bass. when in truth Verdine could play more than Bass and he Produced a track on Deniece Williams debut album on ARC records Maurice White's label. 2)

Hussey fought for Prince to Produce his own debut album and after warner brass held a secret meeting behind the control room and observed Prince laying down tracks they said ok but stuck tommy vicari in as a executive Producer. 3)

jive turkey ain't nobody making up a thing.

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As usual...

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i had the Aretha Franklin album back in the late 80's and she was working with narada Michael Walden and Him and Prince are cool. so Narada sent the master tape to Paisley Park for Prince to do his thing and Prince added his bass, guitar, and Boards and did his thing over it.

but the Original track wasn't nothing like the original and if you know Narada Michael walden's clean gloss Dx7 synth stainless steel polish window sound then you would already know the difference.

nothing revisit here at all.

i bought the 12 inch remix and James Brown was on lock down at the time the single was released.

they had a video of footage which splashed them together and video soul use to play it all the time.

Aretha originally wanted Prince to duet with her on "I knew you were waiting" but he turned it down and George Michael did that duet instead.

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Like a few folks mentioned, Jesse Johnson got the duet with Sly instead, on "Crazay." I betcha Prince was pissed that his former protege got to play with one of his icons.

Anyway, I remember reading that Prince was upset at Sly for squandering his talent on drugs.

And yeah, I'm kinda glad that Prince didn't produce Sly because it would've ended up as just another Prince throwaway demo sung by "insert name". Of all the stuff that he could've handed to Chaka back in 88, he had to give her "Eternity" and "Sticky Wicked".

Now if Prince worked in Sly's album as a session musician, I def would approve.

Prince ain't never got there when he has had a chance to work with somebody outside of his camp.

but yeah like his Paisley park remix to "gimmie your lovin" for Aretha Franklin and James Brown that was tight when he added his bass,guitar and keys to Narada Michael Walden's production,but left to his own devices not much would happen if he had to write and Produce on them each.

Prince stuff works for Prince and that is how it has always been.

we back in the day dug Prince's music and the music lead the way as to his songwriting skills or arranging skills it was always the music when it came to Prince

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>And yeah, I'm kinda glad that Prince didn't produce Sly
>because it would've ended up as just another Prince throwaway
>demo sung by "insert name".

i got to hear some sly stuff that ain't even been dropped.

alot of these purple turkeys don't even know that Rick James got in the studio with Sly as well.

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I mean MJ owned his publishing, any stories of them in the studio together?

BAR KAYS, teeter tooter from there "animal" album 89

earth,wind and fire "good time" from there "heritage""

had a chance with A&M records after "crazay" hit with Jesse Johnson

George Clinton always reached back to him

Bobby Womack as well

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Didn't he do a song with Martha Davis too? I think for the Soul Man soundtrack.

indeed he did it was called"Eek ah bo static automatic"

thing is this when turkeys say he was too coked out for Prince or whomever that is a lie because back then to be on a soundtrack you had to be present and be willing to do set track for set project because that costs money and these labels ain't going to waste no money on you if you ain't gonna put your product out,etc..

Sly worked but he worked when he wanted to and with whom he wanted and he has been that way for quite a long time.

he picks and chooses his placements etc..

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>indeed he did it was called"Eek ah bo static automatic"
>
>thing is this when turkeys say he was too coked out for
>Prince or whomever that is a lie because back then to be on a
>soundtrack you had to be present and be willing to do set
>track for set project because that costs money and these
>labels ain't going to waste no money on you if you ain't gonna
>put your product out,etc..
>
>Sly worked but he worked when he wanted to and with whom he
>wanted and he has been that way for quite a long time.
>
>he picks and chooses his placements etc..

Oh ok, I understand.

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he's bustin' out w/ some serious funk

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>I just read in Sly: The Lives of Sylvester Stewart and Sly
>Stone that it was rumored that the two were suppose to
>collaborate but Warners Brothers denied the story.
>
>I always wondered why they never did collaborate, especially
>given the fact that Prince is a Sly Stone fan.


If u really want to know the deal on Sly and Prince, just do a little research on it homie...Leeds and some Revolution members have spoken about it...Prince was never turned down by Sly...he was however spooked by his
Chronic drug use. A lot of the stuff you are reading in this post is propaganda and that needs to be pointed out. As for stories about Maurice White being asked to produce Prince u can find that in any Prince book...(And as stated, that was a Warner Bros thing...Prince turned it down)...

U want something pretty cool? Richard Pryor had the chance
to finance Purple Rain...Jim Brown actually was backing up Prince and went to Rich about backing the film...But Rich didn't think a young Prince could carry an entire film by himself so he turned him down...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

that is comical because as a Matter of fact the first time Prince Met Chaka Khan at the Barkley Warner brothers lot back 30 years back or so he called her into the lobby and told her that Sly Stone wanted to meet with her an

she came a running only to discover it was Prince. she had some choice words for him, but to this matter of him not feeling sly over the drug use and for him to turn around and say he was Sly to meet Chaka is a twist but then again that is Prince.


most of the folks during the minneapolis sound and era were gettting high and even Prince so it comical for him to say a thing about Sly Stone if you will.

dealing with the Purple Kool Aid diabetics you can't say a thing about Prince without them getting all Barney on you.

no not everybody expands on Maurice White having that chance and the Verdine White part about being asked is hardly ever talked about.

yeah after Pryor did the Toy he was asked and him Jim Brown had a Business together. Pryor checked out Prince but wasn't feeling like he was big screen material and Pryor almost was completely right because aside from Purple Rain, Prince movies ain't even as memorable as Gary Coleman ones.

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U r good at mixing apples and oranges. And you really can't be taken seriously when it comes to Prince for obvious reasons...

I will listen to u on Rick and Lionel...but on Prince u have too much of a hard on for that dude Maxx...

Word to Freddie Jackson...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

you'd be surprised at what i know about Prince and since he ran in alot of the same circles as acts back then, you would be very surprised.

naw you Purple diabetics get a sugar buzz when somebody points out either something you didn't hear or you didn't know or elect not to believe.

i ain't gotta throw nothing against prince because back then I use to follow his career and the whole minneapolis scene.


i'm sure you knew that Mikki Free story though right?

and also the Georgio story where Prince wanted them both and and wanted there Publishing and Georgio called Prince out on that.

i know it might shock or surprise you and cause your hair to rise up like Don king's, but Prince has had his songs turned down but Quite a few folks.

Lisa Stansfield irony of all ironys said that she dug his stuff, but she saw what happen to alot of the women he gave songs to and they were never heard from again and the irony she hasn't been heard from in years.

what Worked for Prince worked for Prince and his associates and clique, but the outside wasn't memorable and it just sounded like him with someboby doing there vocals.

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What the blood claaat ???

smh

The whole project was def a shot in the dark, either it was going to hit or miss, esp when one puts Prince' pre-PR status into consideration.

Beside, Richie was working on developing his own biopic "Jo Jo Dancer" film, so I guess that must've been another reason why didn't bother, given his plate was full. And anyway, Richie was reckless, I don't think the film would've gotten off the ground if he backed it up.

from what I heard Prince wanted to collaborate with sly during the around the world in a one day era but sly chose to collaborate with jesse johnson on that stupid song "crazay" from shockadelica.