Yes, Midnight Marauders >>> Aquemini & Things Fall Apart

I had a debate at lunch the other day and me and some of the fellas started a hip hop debate...always fun of course.

So...yes...track for track I feel that MM is better than the above LP's. I believe these are the best overall LP's for each group but this is just how I view them. All dope.

Just a random thought as I thought back on our debate


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If you were a teen when Midnight Marauders dropped and are real Hip Hop fan....you wouldnt say that...regardless of what region you stay in...there is nothing wack about MM compared to any era of hip hop

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>If you were a teen when Midnight Marauders dropped and are
>real Hip Hop fan....you wouldnt say that...regardless of what
>region you stay in...there is nothing wack about MM compared
>to any era of hip hop

COsiggy. none of those have a motherucking ELECTRIC RELAXATION or award tour. i'm witchu on this homeskillet.

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you wasn't doin' it at the park, so fuck outta here

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i like them both better. i love all three though.

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I can respect that..

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arguably one of the dopest HH albums of all times.

The better argument is MM or Low End?

or even think Marauders was a particularly influential album on the genre despite it being a great/classic/etc.

Tribe surely influenced Kast as a group overall but I'd say Low End Theory had a bigger impact & more repercussions on the musical landscape, so the whole 'wouldn't exist without it' stuff seems overstated.

Yep, Low End had a bigger overall Hip Hop on the culture. Thats not even a debate. Any hip hop head know this from the production to the sampling..

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MM vs Low End............man I have debated that for 15 years...I have no idea...MM is my personal favorite

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God Lives Through were so sonically advanced and better than anything on those other 2 great lps

I agree 100%

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I'll accept MM being better than Aquemini, but it on ATLiens level

Most true Kast fans agree with you 100%

Atliens was classic no doubt

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things fall apart doesn't even deserve to mentioned with midnight marauders an aquemini.

Really.........on this site I would beg to differ...

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i call a spade a spade.

roots cannot be mentioned in the same breath as tribe. or even outkast. they closer to outkast but a-game roots ain't fuckin wit a-game outkast.

things fall apart is what i call a minor classic.

the shit wasn't even the hottest album that YEAR let alone fuckin wit somethin like midnight marauders.

lets be real here.

And it's def not f***ing with MM or Aquemini.

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What is Roots best LP to you?

I personally like IH the best but people tend to say TFA so I used that one,,

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IMO the 20 Hip Hop LP's ever off the dome...no real order...

Tribe "Midnight Marauders"
Nas "Illmatic"
Common "Like Water for Chocolate"
Pete Rock and C.L "The Main Ingredient"
Reflection Eternal "Train of Thought"
Eric B and Rakim "Follow the Leader"
Jay Z "Reasonable Doubt"
Madvillain "Madvillainy"
Redman "Whut? The Album"
Ghostface "Supreme Clientele"
EPMD "Strictly Business"
Outkast "Aquemini"
Edan "Beauty and The Beat"
BDP "Criminal Minded"
Tribe "Low End Theory"
Jeru the Damaja "The Sun Rises in the East"
NWA "Straight Outta Compton"
Raekwon "OBFCL"
Mobb Deep "The Infamous"
Gangstarr "Moment of Truth"

...this ain't easy...

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it's in my top 20 as well, but i never seen anybody else mention pete/cl. or they mention the wrong album.

Illmatic
ATLiens
The Main Ingredient
Midnight Marauders
Liquid Swords

those 5 are just classics among classics in my life and opinion.

I wasn't up on Low End Theory or It Takes A Nation or Paid in Full or Amerikkka's Most when I was yougner so I'm not tied to those type of classics as much as I am from '93 and beyond.

but yea, TMI is the best produced album to me. front to back, those beats are incredibly crafted.

Edan "Beauty and The Beat" ?????

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i don't think it's better than Aquemini. yes end to end, MM is stronger, but overall: theme, content, sound, artistry... there are few things in Aquemini's stratosphere. of course MM doesn't have a weak moment like Mamacita (which i like by the way), but god damn that album is phenomenal... strange thing is, you'll catch me saying the same shit about Midnight Marauders on any other day. simply put, two of the best albums of the last 25 years. Aquemini gets a slight edge from me though

I do think it has its flaws.

(nitpicking begins)

I was never too fond of Synthesizer when it dropped even though Dre kills his verse and I've grown to like it more now.

Mamcita is more problematic to me than just being their worst song up until that point in their career.

To me, the album kind of takes a nose dive at that point.

I LOVE SpottieOttie and Liberation but those songs at 12 and 15 are just too close for the flow of the album especially when they follow Mamacita and sandwich Y'all Scared.

I do like Y'all Scared and Chonkyfire, but as I listen to the album now, Mamacita, Y'all Scared, and Chockyfire (along with Synthesizer) are the lesser tracks on the album.

And when you have the tail end of the album overloaded with those joints and 2 LOOOONG, left of center songs (for a Hip-Hop album) it makes it easy to, at times, tune out after Storytellin' Pt 2.

Those were my thoughts after listening to the album recently.

Again, this is nitpicking and ATLiens and Aquemini are two of my absolute favorite albums of all-time.

SAY YOU SCARED!

But, seriously, Aquemini is my pick between these three albums.

And you're out of you're mind if you don't honestly consider 'Ya'll Scared' as one of the highlights of the album.

Not YOU specifically. Just, anybody.

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I prefer both Mainstream (my favorite Kast song) and Thought Process better and this was the same collabo.

I just like the front end of the album that much.

Return of the G
Rosa Parks
Skwe It on the Barb-B
Aquemini
Slump
West Savannah
Art of Storytellin' 1 & 2

then SpottieOttie and Liberation are all songs I like better than Y'all Scared.

Those drums are serious though!

Saying 'Mainstream' and 'Thought Process' (two of the best songs ever) is better than simply an album highlight is pretty obvious.

I seem to remember a topic on this forum a while back where somebody said "Name your favorite OutKast song" and between all the replies, every song from the first four albums was mentioned.

So, yeah.

"Consistent" doesn't even begin to accurately describe them.

I see what you're saying though RE: Aquemini.

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Every verse on the song is dope. I don't get what people don't like about it. The hook?

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And, in comparison, the beat is pretty mundane.

Witchdoctor's verse still makes me laugh to this day, though. "Stouffer's Lasagna � that's how much I want 'cha." Whoa there, high roller!

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did you not read where i wrote in paranthesis that i like the song. but were most of the songs on Aquemini are 4.5/5 stars Mamacita is 3.5 stars

Hands down.

Sonically.
Sequencing.
Musically.

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TFA is a monster album but MM is a fucking behemoth
Kast's weakness, though its never pointed out, is sequencing
they tend to throw shit on albums and put the sounds and experimentation ahead of sequencing, and it shows on Aquemini moreso than probably any other album they have
and it's mostly due to how fucking good it is
the weak moments in sequencing highlight flaws you'd normally overlook

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>Kast's weakness, though its never pointed out, is sequencing
>they tend to throw shit on albums and put the sounds and
>experimentation ahead of sequencing, and it shows on Aquemini
>moreso than probably any other album they have
>and it's mostly due to how fucking good it is
>the weak moments in sequencing highlight flaws you'd normally
>overlook
^^^ truthiness and i still stand by what i said above

I almost resequenced those tracks myself when I ripped that CD recently. damn crossfading

>TFA is a monster album but MM is a fucking behemoth
>Kast's weakness, though its never pointed out, is sequencing
>they tend to throw shit on albums and put the sounds and
>experimentation ahead of sequencing, and it shows on Aquemini
>moreso than probably any other album they have
>and it's mostly due to how fucking good it is
>the weak moments in sequencing highlight flaws you'd normally
>overlook

up through the first half its pretty flawless but it takes a nosedive around the 2/3 mark of the album

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that was prime time Kast for me. i like the other two albums, but I dug Aquemini more and the material was stronger IMO. dre was in prime time spit form there.

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I'll take MM over Aquemini easily. It just flows better. This is a 1993 LP compared to a 1998 one but I like production on MM. You cant lose either way though.

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MM is way above both of those albums.

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