"Prince Po got the shaft in OK cuz he wasnt flamboyant like PM" Thu Mar-29-12 02:56 PM by ABROCK33
Ive heard the arguments said time and time that Pharoe had the the more electric and memorable verses, his stuff stood out more, etc but I counter that Po was more consistent and steady
without Pos balance a solo from PM wouldve been all over the place. He woulda been like forgotten 90's abstract hip hop group the Kemelions-http: //www.amazon.com/Basement-Arrangements-KameLions/dp/B000008H9D (Liquid dots of chaos was the shizzle!) dope but no real meat to what they were doing
the proof is in their solo careers
most of u have heard PM solos but have u even heard Po's stuff?
Pharoe is a great MC by all accounts but for some reason I just cant put my finger on he doesnt make great lps
Prince Po on the other hand has a better albeit underpromoted solo career
his first lp "The Slickness" was a more balanced debut than "Internal Affairs" but it didnt contain a blockbuster like "Simon says"
His 2nd lp "Pretty black" was great
his 3rd Simian Samouri is the weakest of the bunch but its still good.
For some reason I can listen to him and appreciate him more than Phaores solo lps where he trys to be too eclectic
is he tryin to be Maxwell Wonder Monch?
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Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Fri Mar-30-12 12:51 PM
37. "The Record Label Dropped Them & P.M. Got Offered A Solo Deal" In response to Reply # 1
They didn't want to break up but when Priority Records dropped them from the label after their 3rd album didn't sell well.
After they were let go and was seeking a new deal, Rawkus Records offered Pharoahe Monch a solo deal before him & Prince Po could be offered one; but I also heard that Rawkus did want to sign both of them but Prince Po didn't want the deal or was seeking a better offer, oh well.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
but yeah.. i kinda agree.. Monch is always looked at as the stronger of the two when people break them down individually ...but in the group they was more even
3. "I think Prince Po is just as stong" In response to Reply # 2
in the group and stronger as a soloist
Monch is more of a dynamic MC in that he keeps current, sings and he is prone to that "shock value". Thats not a bad combo, thats who he is.
Po tho is just more steady and even handed lyrically to me.
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And are dope in their own ways. Overall I was more impressed with Pharoahe, but Prince Po held his own and isn't wack by any means. I think they complimented each other well as a duo. Wasn't aware that PP had a third solo joint, I used to have Pretty Black some years ago and it was solid from what I recalled.
5. "As long as you're not saying he was better in the group" In response to Reply # 0
I'm a huge Prince Po fan. I agree he was a steady presence. I agree he was underrated and he same GREAT overlooked verses on the OK albums. I'll admit he handled his fucking business on the entire "Equinox" album. Hell, I'll even say that he out-did Monch on "Godsend" on the "Internal Affairs" album. But I won't be able to get with any revisionist "He was the better MC in the group" talk. Monch was just better. He had some mind-blowing verses and he never with 20 miles of wack. And Monch's best was better the Po's best. I could and have said Monch was #1 and Po was #1a, but that's as far as I'll go.
When it comes to solo albums, Po's first is the only one that I gave any run. And I liked it, sometimes quite a bit, but it was pretty flawed. I've posted here that I'm a little disappointed that Monch never dropped the solo album I thought he was capable of dropping, but his solo albums are better. And besides, "We Are Renegades" is a really damn good album.
7. "when people say Monch was "better"" In response to Reply # 5
>And Monch's best was better the Po's best.>
what I think they mean to say is that Monch had more personality..which I agree he does
that tho in and of itself doesnt make him the definitive better MC
on the first lp I agree it was all Monch by a landslide
on the Ex Agenda Po Improved a lot but still PM was realy on his A game so I could say he beat out Prince Po
on Equinox tho it was damn near 50/50
revisionist history doesnt even acknowledge Prince Po lol
>When it comes to solo albums, Po's first is the only one that >I gave any run. And I liked it, sometimes quite a bit, but it >was pretty flawed.>
Ive stated it here numerous times but Internal Affairs was just okay. You cant tell me as an OK fan that "that" was the lp you had waited for for so long from PM
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34. "RE: when people say Monch was "better"" In response to Reply # 7
...agreed on the point about "Internal Affairs" not being the LP I wanted from Monch. That said, duke is that dude though...I do like where Monch decided to take his career on the solo tip....I believe that both his last two LP's were better than "Internal Affairs"...
8. "this is your opnion tho not fact" In response to Reply # 6
>El Da Sensei >PMD >Smooth B >Prince Po
are all very good MC's in there own right. I dont think its fair to saay that because they arent as outgoing on the mic that they are any lesser. Thats why they were in a group where they benefited and added to the equation. I will box you for saying E sermon and Greg Nice were more lyrical than PMD and Smooth B
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11. "It's not my opinion it's the public opinion. More interesting has nothi..." In response to Reply # 8
>>El Da Sensei >>PMD >>Smooth B >>Prince Po > >are all very good MC's in there own right. I dont think its >fair to saay that because they arent as outgoing on the mic >that they are any lesser. Thats why they were in a group where >they benefited and added to the equation. I will box you for >saying E sermon and Greg Nice were more lyrical than PMD and >Smooth B > > >
to do with technical proficiency but it has everything to do with popularity. And that's how it's always been.
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9. "Flag on the play for this one:" In response to Reply # 6
>PMD
Parrish Smith was the more interesting and better MC. Erick Sermon had the lisp and was a solid lyricist, but PMD was the lyrical star of all four of those first albums.
13. "The green eyed beatmaker with the lisp was the draw. PMD may have" In response to Reply # 9
> >>PMD > >Parrish Smith was the more interesting and better MC. Erick >Sermon had the lisp and was a solid lyricist, but PMD was the >lyrical star of all four of those first albums. >
been the more technically proficient rapper but in the public's eyes E was more interesting. It became obvious when they split that E's name held a whole lot more weight. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is THE best hip-hop related internet radio show Catch up http://pncradio.tumblr.com/
24. "P was the businessman of the group. He had everyone under" In response to Reply # 23
>you are wrong.... > >das efx was the hottest of the click...(commercially at the >time) > >they ran with P...cuz everybody thought thats where the >success would be. > >
contract whether it was Shuma Management, GMC Productions, or whatever even after the breakup. All this is documented, you can google it. Anyway my main point is that Erick was the more interesting member of the group. And this isn't dictated by my opinion solely, it was dictated by the actions of those inside the industry & the fans.
> >>PMD > >Parrish Smith was the more interesting and better MC. Erick >Sermon had the lisp and was a solid lyricist, but PMD was the >lyrical star of all four of those first albums. >
42. "Good call on Big Boi. I also forgot Pete Nice & Ren. As far as Phife " In response to Reply # 38
> goes he always played a sidekick role, he wasn't sharing equal mic time with Tip. I guess Phife still kinda fits on the list though, he might have more "it" factor then all the other people I listed.
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Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Fri Mar-30-12 11:26 PM
40. "Hold Up, You Thought El Da Sensei Was The Less Interesting Rapper?" In response to Reply # 6
>El Da Sensei
C'mon really, I always saw it the other way around where Tame One was the less interesting rapper, both were nice but El had more direction when he rhymed but Tame was always all over the place; El had the storylines while Tame had the weird punchlines.
I have albums from both emcees and I can still listen to El Da Sensei's albums without skipping all over than Tame One who has good tracks here and there but not one cohesive album under his belt; the collaboration albums is where he shined the most which is why Artifacts just needs to get back in the studio and record a new album since they're touring with each other again.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
41. "Again it's not about my thoughts. The general public felt this way." In response to Reply # 40
>>El Da Sensei > >C'mon really, I always saw it the other way around where Tame >One was the less interesting rapper, both were nice but El had >more direction when he rhymed but Tame was always all over the >place; El had the storylines while Tame had the weird >punchlines. > >I have albums from both emcees and I can still listen to El Da >Sensei's albums without skipping all over than Tame One who >has good tracks here and there but not one cohesive album >under his belt; the collaboration albums is where he shined >the most which is why Artifacts just needs to get back in the >studio and record a new album since they're touring with each >other again. > >
You are old enough to remember so don't front. I'm not saying who is the better rapper I'm just saying who was the bigger draw. I remember their post Artifacts material, I felt El was more consistent too but that's irrelevant. At one point EPMD wanted to sign Tame as a solo act, but he wouldn't do it without El. I think Tame just got out of control with the drugs at the tail end of the Artifacts thing. But that's just guesswork on my end, Tame being generally regarded as the draw of the group is fact.
12. "how can u answer if u havn't heard Po's solos?" In response to Reply # 10
>I haven't checked for a Po album since his first...it put me >to sleep.
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15. "nice sidestep...good point, but I haven't been moved to do so" In response to Reply # 12
especially after the first one.
Maybe I am missing out...
but by that logic I can't speak on not liking Game because I have actually only checked for his first two.
etc etc
I typically only cop/check for stuff that I'll enjoy...
For the record I like Prince Po...as sidekicks go I wouldn't put him on the Dave/ Big Boi level...but he is definitely above a guy like Phife or Big Pooh...
Either way, I think Monch is a GOAT...as I said his performance on the first 2 OK albums is simply amazing.
31. "^^^ This right here." In response to Reply # 10
>what you are doing too though. > >Po is nice, sometimes REALLY nice. > > >But Monch is superior. Yes, he has more personality...but it >doesn't end there. > >Monch on OKs first two albums is bascially a clinic on >EVERYTHING an emcee should be. > >I haven't checked for a Po album since his first...it put me >to sleep. > >Monch's solo albums haven't lived up to his potential...but >they are still good to great albums.
18. "I think I know where u are going w this..care to explain furthur?" In response to Reply # 17
from my vantage point Charlie Brown was highly skilled but Busta used the Scenario opportunity to establish his brand and the rest is history
meanwhile Charlie is seen as a Busta Rhyme accesory like a belt or bandanna when the truth is Brown could more than hold his own
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33. "RE: I liked LONS Busta Rhymes waaaaaaaay more than the solo stuff." In response to Reply # 19
LONS Busta was heading for all-time greatness as an emcee... but i'm sure he has no regrets at all for sacrificing that for all the commercial success he's had. and as much as i want to i can't even be mad at him.
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
the thing that holds him back ARE his albums IMO. People have a reason to hear Pharoah's albums based off his presence alone. Prince Po has to work a little bit harder at it than monch, but I think he's every bit of good as an emcee.
He has said that he purposely works with producers who are slightly to the left of him, which I think is a step in the right direction. He just needs to put a more coheisive album together.
30. "Wrong." In response to Reply # 0 Fri Mar-30-12 12:14 AM by thebadnegro
Pharaohe was just a way better emcee, period. Po was good, but Pharaohe was always in another league and it usually showed, especially on Equinox (Po did go the fuck in on In Vitro tho).
and Internal Affairs was a GREAT lp. i agree that on the other 2 he tries to be too eclectic and the albums came out half ass.
haven't heard Po's solo shit. i would definitely check it out if one of my peoples had it, but i just wouldn't go out of my way for it.
43. "RE: Prince Po got the shaft in OK cuz he wasnt flamboyant like PM" In response to Reply # 0
I haven't heard any of Prince Po's solo stuff, but I though all of Pharoahe's albums have been dope! Internal affairs is a personal classic to me, Desire is very underrated and War was one of the better hip hop albums to come out last year or so.
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