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Prize-winning architects get work through competitions, and if their designs are radical, like Zaha Hadid’s, years may elapse between projects. But even the most revered fashion maverick can’t survive without the system. Azzedine Alaďa may be the only designer in the world whose infrequent shows are an event, but he still must regularly supply stores with merchandise. Young musical artists, rebuffed by recording companies, have gone straight to the Internet. But, as Klaus Stockhausen, the fashion director of German Interview, put it the other day, “That may work for funny T-shirts but not for talent.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/sunday-review/why-was-the-designer-raf-simons-dismissed.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

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I was daydreaming about Malick's The Tree of Life
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with fashion, seems like the customer is too sophisticated
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      also less tangible.
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      Yeah couture fashion always was seen as high art
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Errol Walton Barrow
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Mon Mar-05-12 06:34 PM

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1. "I was daydreaming about Malick's The Tree of Life"
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and thinking about all the spools of film he must've gone through to get the childhood montage, and the failed experiments after failed experiments it must've taken to get the creation sequence, and I thought what it takes for a big studio to set that up. No way Malick or tons of directors would do what they do as independants with digital cameras, even though cheap cams and a cool website are the future of film I think.

I've been thinking that smae thing about the seventies albums folks love so much and how major labels were integral, like Whats Goin on and such.

Still, talent needs Industry? The Jester needs the King's court? Sounds like an alluring theory but I can't say that's absolute tho. There must be tons of musical examples analogous to the Independent seventies filmmakers like Hopper and Coppola after their big bad studio system fell.

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k_orr
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2. "with fashion, seems like the customer is too sophisticated"
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to cop it online..the customer in this case is the buyers for big dept stores.

But with music, be it Krunchy Black or Aesop Rock, you either like it or you don't. Much like a t-shirt.

  

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a dries van noten shirt doesn't feel like hanes.

  

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Errol Walton Barrow
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something representing the apex of western culture, while victrolas and 45s and sheet music were for the lower classes too poor to get into concert halls.

But I feel like music criticism and geeked fans viewed Albums as a way to legitimise popular music as High Art as well, with the best of it representing a legitimate cultural document of that time, on par with a great Novel perhaps, while the single was a transient product made for the good time of the moment.

However the market NEVER saw it like that, they and the record companies both saw them as t-shirts for the most part, and that attitude bled over to the internet age (well, that and the death of the record store of course). You never know tho, younger cats could, for outsider 'coolness' end up getting behind some albums they would deign going into a store and, you know, actually buy.

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