Your grandparents or parents will know of "Time Has Come Today", although if you know your music, you know it too. They played countless shows at the Fillmore East and Fillmore East in the late 60's and early 70's. They were gospel, blues, soul, funk, and a bit of rock. "Hard soul". Hip-hop heads know them for the use of "Funky" as the main loop in "I Left My Wallet In El Segundo". Now, Lester Chambers is wanting to spread the word about how Columbia Records have ripped him off in the last 45+ years. Here's his photo with the message:
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and his original post.
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when he says they were ripped off, does that mean that they signed bad deals? Because more often than not that's usually the case with artists from back then. Actually it still happens, but you get my point.


And nobody can license out ANYTHING without permission. And if it's for a TV commercial or movie, you better BELIEVE the licensee isn't using the song without filing the proper paperwork. So does that mean that they signed away their publishing without knowing it? Does it mean that somebody ELSE made the decision without telling them? Did they ever even OWN their publishing?

I need more answers before I blame "The Industry"...


>
>Sony may be semi-protective over the MJ tracks that were
>"hacked", but they should be protecting their artists,
>regardless of status level.
>

Artists should be protecting *themselves*. Not just signing anything they shove in your face.

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and has he repaid the loan(s)?

if so, he's being ripped off if Sony has collected money off those records. b/c the way i understand the standard record contract, the artist has to repay the advance money and recording costs and production costs and all that from their share of the proceeds collected from record sales. and so the artist doesn't see any royalty money until the label is repaid in full.

i dunno this guy's story in detail, so i dunno if he took advances or how much $ the group spent in the studio and how much the label spent promoting the records. however, i was thinking about this last night. i think if i were to sign 1 of those contracts, i would do what i could to limit the amount of advance money i took from the label in the interest of reducing the amount i'd have to repay. but i understand that's hard to do. b/c i'd probably want to stunt a lil in celebration of my record deal. and 'the world' around me would expect me to stunt a bit - new clothes, new house, new car, new hair, new attitude, etc. and i'd feel pressure to live up to those expectations. which could drive me to make poor financial decisions - like accepting more advance money than i really really need.

again, i dunno this guy's story. maybe Sony is doing him dirty.

but if not...hey. he signed that deal. *shrugs*

fuck you.

>if so, he's being ripped off if Sony has collected money off
>those records. b/c the way i understand the standard record
>contract, the artist has to repay the advance money and
>recording costs and production costs and all that from their
>share of the proceeds collected from record sales.

Yep. Which is why record companies don't talk people out of doing ostentatious shit during the recording process. You want tracks from The Neptunes and RZA with a video directed by Hype Williams? Cool... Just be prepared to foot the bill on the back end.


and so the
>artist doesn't see any royalty money until the label is repaid
>in full.
>

Bingo. And best believe they WILL cook the books and tell you how a Platinum album STILL somehow didn't recoup costs.




>i dunno this guy's story in detail, so i dunno if he took
>advances or how much $ the group spent in the studio and how
>much the label spent promoting the records. however, i was
>thinking about this last night. i think if i were to sign 1
>of those contracts, i would do what i could to limit the
>amount of advance money i took from the label in the interest
>of reducing the amount i'd have to repay.

Right.

but i understand
>that's hard to do. b/c i'd probably want to stunt a lil in
>celebration of my record deal. and 'the world' around me
>would expect me to stunt a bit - new clothes, new house, new
>car, new hair, new attitude, etc.

That's where most of it goes with new artists. Big Studios, Entourages, and dumb shit.

and i'd feel pressure to
>live up to those expectations. which could drive me to make
>poor financial decisions - like accepting more advance money
>than i really really need

yezzir.

>
>again, i dunno this guy's story. maybe Sony is doing him
>dirty.
>
>but if not...hey. he signed that deal. *shrugs*

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yeah. if that's what Sony is up to...that's dirty.

but i dunno that's what's happening here.

sounds like CBS/Sony released 10 of this band's albums and i dunno how many singles. but i'm not terribly familiar w/the band though i'm at least casually familiar w/Rock acts from the 60s and 70s. so i doubt the label sold millions and millions of this band's albums and singles. i just checked, and 'Time Has Come Today' peaked at #11 on the Hot 100. that seems to be the band's biggest hit.

so, i mean...it's not shocking to me that this guy didn't get any royalties. i'm not sure the band's records sold enough copies for him to be entitled to royalty payments.

fuck you.

>yeah. if that's what Sony is up to...that's dirty.
>
>but i dunno that's what's happening here.
>
>sounds like CBS/Sony released 10 of this band's albums and i
>dunno how many singles. but i'm not terribly familiar w/the
>band though i'm at least casually familiar w/Rock acts from
>the 60s and 70s. so i doubt the label sold millions and
>millions of this band's albums and singles. i just checked,
>and 'Time Has Come Today' peaked at #11 on the Hot 100. that
>seems to be the band's biggest hit.

>
>so, i mean...it's not shocking to me that this guy didn't get
>any royalties. i'm not sure the band's records sold enough
>copies for him to be entitled to royalty payments.


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yeah, aside from "Time..." and "Cuba" ( which is probably just a club hit, but a recognizable cut nonetheless ), they never really hit a Home Run:

Billboard singles listing

1968 I Can't Turn You Loose — Pop Singles — Peaked at # 37
1968 Time Has Come Today — Pop Singles — Peaked at # 11
1969 Wake Up — Pop Singles 92
1970 Love, Peace And Happiness — Pop Singles — Peaked at # 96
1971 Funky — Black Singles — Peaked at # 40
1974 Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go — Black Singles — Peaked at # 76

Billboard albums listing

1968 A New Time-A New Day — Black Albums- Peaked at # 24
1968 A New Time-A New Day — Pop Albums — Peaked at # 16
1968 The Time Has Come — Black Albums — Peaked at # 6 - Pop Albums — Peaked at # 4
1970 Love, Peace and Happiness — Black Albums — Peaked at # 17 - Pop Albums — Peaked at# 58
1970 The Chambers Brothers Greatest Hits (Vault) — Pop Albums — Peaked at# 193
1971 New Generation — Black Albums — Peaked at# 36 - Pop Albums — Peaked at# 145
1972 The Chambers Brothers' Greatest Hits (Columbia) — Pop Albums — Pop Albums — Peaked at # 166
1974 Unbonded — Black Albums — Pop Albums — Peaked at# 144

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fuck you.

theirs peaked in the low 100's...Twice.

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>but if not...hey. he signed that deal. *shrugs*

Can't let any parternalism get some shine in this case?

LOL

oh and as for the paternalism...i'd need more facts about the guy or the band so i could understand their bargaining position at the time they signed that contract and/or any modifications.

fuck you.

Is that even possible?

not probable though.

if the contracts were so unconscionable, i'm sure there'd have been a successful class action suit against any/all of the majors/minors by now. have there been?

fuck you.

of course those plantation labels rip you off and especially back then.

Lester chambers and his brothers wrote and played on Miles Davis's "Get on up" album from 74 and I bet they didn't see a dime there either.

Prince sampled them on the long version for "thieves in the temple" and I doubt they got any royalitys off of that as well.

i hear horror stories all the time of acts and mind you this was pre music video era and you had old deals that if they were on the up and up said act would be getting there masters back in addition to royalitys, however the industry strong arms so much it ain't even funny.

that song has been sampled, looped and used at so many events it ain't even funny.

business owns you.

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>Your grandparents or parents will know of "Time Has Come
>Today", although if you know your music, you know it too.
>They played countless shows at the Fillmore East and Fillmore
>East in the late 60's and early 70's. They were gospel,
>blues, soul, funk, and a bit of rock. "Hard soul". Hip-hop
>heads know them for the use of "Funky" as the main loop in "I
>Left My Wallet In El Segundo". Now, Lester Chambers is
>wanting to spread the word about how Columbia Records have
>ripped him off in the last 45+ years. Here's his photo with
>the message:
>http://i42.tinypic.com/21czb7r.jpg
>
>and his original post.
>https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=298083493590565&set=o.143688622396009&type=1
>
>Sony may be semi-protective over the MJ tracks that were
>"hacked", but they should be protecting their artists,
>regardless of status level.
>
>
>
>
>
>THE HOME OF BOOK-NESS:
>http://www.thisisbooksmusic.com/
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