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NotYaAvgBrotha
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"Usher going for that Frank Ocean/The Weeknd buzz?"


          

New song, Climax, produced by Diplo

http://snd.sc/zmerSR

  

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Can we have an honest and objective discussion about this?
Feb 15th 2012
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I hope so, that is why I posted..... didn't see the other one.
Feb 15th 2012
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      I really want to see more response to this
Feb 15th 2012
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he's getting by on mood and atmosphere.
Feb 15th 2012
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Not sure I wanted to make a spinoff thread on this, so...
Feb 15th 2012
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      nope. it's fine.
Feb 15th 2012
5
The Weeknd came to mind as soon as he opened his mouth
Feb 15th 2012
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Feb 15th 2012
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(Steve) Spacek did it all first
Feb 15th 2012
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^^^^
Feb 15th 2012
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      you get nothing for being ahead of the curve though.
Feb 17th 2012
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      some of those results being incredible
Feb 17th 2012
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uh doesn't sound like either of them
Feb 15th 2012
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The last Usher song I actually enjoyed and felt was..
Feb 15th 2012
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this doesn't sound like either of those artists
Feb 15th 2012
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Frank v. Weeknd seems like an internet fabrication
Feb 15th 2012
15
Just like I said in the other thread, this is on some
Feb 15th 2012
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more in the vocal phrasing
Feb 15th 2012
16
Justin won
Feb 17th 2012
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^
Feb 17th 2012
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^^^what really matters.
Feb 17th 2012
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a year passes, indie cred notches up even higher
Jan 26th 2013
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imcvspl
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Wed Feb-15-12 11:27 AM

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1. "Can we have an honest and objective discussion about this?"
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I've got some thoughts but....

Oh and there was another post, but this is better set up for my thoughts.
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NotYaAvgBrotha
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3. "I hope so, that is why I posted..... didn't see the other one."
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Wed Feb-15-12 12:06 PM by NotYaAvgBrotha

          

I actually like it more than anything Usher has done in a LONG time.

  

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imcvspl
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6. "I really want to see more response to this"
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It's like an over-polished version of what their doing, with a producer who has big studio talent, and an artist that knows the ins and outs of making 'good r&b' ala confessions. To hate on this because The Weeknd did it first IMO shows the novelty of one's affectons for them, because by the numbers this is doing it to the tee... better (was going to avoid saying that but fuck it).
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SoWhat
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2. "he's getting by on mood and atmosphere."
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which is my main problem w/that Frank Ocean or Weeked stuff too. well, except Week also trades in 'shock value' w/some of the lyrics.

maybe D'Angelo had more influence than we thought. LOL

fuck you.

  

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4. "Not sure I wanted to make a spinoff thread on this, so..."
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let me ask, since this is a common point coming up in the R&B threads we've got today/this week:

Isn't this possibly a value set that could be attributed to an earlier era? Is it really a problem to emphasize atmosphere, setting a mood and lying firmly in its cut? And is there any reason to invalidate a listener out there who might say "so and so relies too much on melodies and harmonies" or whatever the equivalent antithesis of your statement is?

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5. "nope. it's fine."
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fuck you.

  

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revolution75
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7. "The Weeknd came to mind as soon as he opened his mouth"
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Problem is that ushers not him
Part of what makes him good to me is his creepy dude factor
His music is like watching a nr foreign movie at the art house
Usher doesn't have that vibe
Nor will he ever
With that said, applause to him for trying to be different
Too bad he's a years on it

Sorry diplo, I'm not putting this on to smash my girl



>New song, Climax, produced by Diplo
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>http://snd.sc/zmerSR

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DolphinTeef
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8. ""
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Reuben
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9. "(Steve) Spacek did it all first"
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12. "^^^^"
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to varied results though.


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Reuben
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17. "you get nothing for being ahead of the curve though."
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how many ppl have even heard of spacek

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astralblak
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20. "some of those results being incredible"
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but really to have Spacek in the convo with the Weeknd, Frank Ocean and this Usher song is a disservice to all of them.

The Weeknd and Ocean sound NOTHING ALIKE

this Usher song is in the vein of The Weeknd and pretty cool and better than what he's been doing

Spacek was more in the lane of Jazzanova and 4hero with a stronger soul singer twist

but whateva whateva

  

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Heinz
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10. "uh doesn't sound like either of them"
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its a nice balance of the electronic sound he wanted to go in because Diplo knows how to do that but still make it appeal to everyone

  

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Original Juice
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11. "The last Usher song I actually enjoyed and felt was.."
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"Something Special"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApJo46hoOwA

Of course, I think he was going for an older audience with that one (it got some play on quiet storm/smooth jazz/adult urban contemporary radio).

  

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mwasi kitoko
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13. "this doesn't sound like either of those artists"
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i like it a lot but i don't see the comparison
(or even the comparison between frank ocean and the weeknd)

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15. "Frank v. Weeknd seems like an internet fabrication"
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although they have supposedly thrown some shade each other's way lyrically, but I noticed that in The-Dream's 1977 more than either of these two guys' records.


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DaKidFromHaiti
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14. "Just like I said in the other thread, this is on some "
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Weeknd stuff.

  

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16. "more in the vocal phrasing"
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Wed Feb-15-12 07:36 PM by dafriquan

  

          

i think it might be influenced by hearing the weeknd but it is distinct enough to not to be a bite (unlike that trey song mess which was basically a cover of a weeknd song). it is in usher's range and the beats has a dance music thing going on with the climaxing filters but it's not all the way into oontz territory.

maybe he heard weeknd/ocean and wanted a new direction but this song could not have not been made by either of them.

i think the song is somewhat boring by the way.

  

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18. "Justin won"
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19. "^"
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21. "^^^what really matters."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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22. "a year passes, indie cred notches up even higher"
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dirty projectors cover:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_K-IbJYvE

  

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