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Dr Claw
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"isn't 'Empire State of Mind' one of the most deceptively "


  

          

saccharine songs in the Jay-Z catalog? like... this song borders "Bonnie and Clyde '03" levels of pure Splenda sprinkling, despite having drums straight out of the Hitchhiker's Guide to Hip-Hop.

peace to dEs, Lee Lee squatted and spread DA PEE PEE all over that track like R. Kelly in the rafters of a junior high girl's locker room.

lest you think that this is a Jay-Z hate post, I'd rather hear an "Money, Cash, Hoes" with extra Sun Ra keyboard knuckledragging action over that shit. Jay better than that BS.

shit, I'd rather BLAST the most "Shower to Shower"-ass Drake song over that shit. at least it'd feel honest in its Tresvantiness.

man, I'm glad Jay came out with WTT...that'd be a wack note to go out on BP3.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
I really don't think it's a bad song
Sep 12th 2011
1
I would agree with this
Sep 12th 2011
2
Agreed
Sep 12th 2011
8
man fuck that fucking song
Sep 12th 2011
3
deceptive? showtunes n/m
Sep 12th 2011
4
The song was featured in Glee.
Sep 12th 2011
5
amazing record.
Sep 12th 2011
6
^^^^WEARS A BULLSEYE IN HOPES OF MEETING THE GAY RAPPER
Sep 12th 2011
7
such a rip off of Nas' "Ny State of Mind" it's unreal.
Sep 12th 2011
9
sounds nothing like it cause its about New York?
Sep 12th 2011
11
of course nothing like it... but conceptually it's a rip off
Sep 12th 2011
17
      lol wut.
Sep 12th 2011
21
      How are the concepts similar
Sep 12th 2011
27
           RE: How are the concepts similar
Sep 12th 2011
37
                Then by that logic Nas bit Billy Joel's 'New York State of Mind'!
Sep 12th 2011
43
lol wut.
Sep 12th 2011
12
uh, no.
Sep 12th 2011
29
Billy Joel would like your attention for a moment.
Sep 12th 2011
34
I think of it as an Alicia Keys song
Sep 12th 2011
10
boo
Sep 12th 2011
13
i still like it.
Sep 12th 2011
14
You see the way Jeetz nods his head to it
Sep 12th 2011
15
I started off disliking that song
Sep 12th 2011
16
^^ Sen Jayz at Powerhouse in Philly before the World Series
Sep 12th 2011
45
that shit is what you call an anthem
Sep 12th 2011
18
^ in Neeeeewww Yooooooooork!!
Sep 12th 2011
19
I can only imagine NY'ers liking that song...
Sep 12th 2011
20
that State Farm commercial w/the kids screaming it
Sep 12th 2011
22
mugs in my TL yesterday were talking about how touching it was, etc.
Sep 12th 2011
23
...MESSATSU.
Sep 12th 2011
24
I cringed at that shit...
Sep 12th 2011
44
Nas lost again
Sep 12th 2011
25
lol kevin rudolph lol.
Sep 12th 2011
26
holy shit, that song is absolutely awful
Sep 12th 2011
30
It's pretty rare to actually like a number one song though
Sep 12th 2011
28
news flash bammas:
Sep 12th 2011
31
Jay has a boatload of hits
Sep 12th 2011
35
standardfor 2011 is Effective. NOT Good
Sep 12th 2011
32
so effective it's good?
Sep 12th 2011
33
#dead @ "Sun Ra keyboard knuckledragging"
Sep 12th 2011
36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SsBtfuSDxw
Sep 12th 2011
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      LMAOOOO woooooow!!!!!
Sep 12th 2011
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Doc you been goin in lately. lol
Sep 12th 2011
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RE: isn't 'Empire State of Mind' one of the most deceptively
Sep 12th 2011
40
it isn't inherently sweetnlow, but it is Arena Rap
Sep 12th 2011
42
Where is the Deception???
Sep 13th 2011
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1. "I really don't think it's a bad song"
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It's just

a) tremendously overexposed.

and

b) made into something it's not.

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2. "I would agree with this"
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>a) tremendously overexposed.
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>and
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>b) made into something it's not.

maybe that was the intent... which is why it's so deceptive.

  

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8. "Agreed"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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3. "man fuck that fucking song"
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fuck everyone involved

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4. "deceptive? showtunes n/m"
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5. "The song was featured in Glee."
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Enough said.

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6. "amazing record."
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the schlocky bombast-meets-melancholia fucking works. funny thing is i hear it out of town way more than in NYC.

  

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7. "^^^^WEARS A BULLSEYE IN HOPES OF MEETING THE GAY RAPPER"
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9. "such a rip off of Nas' "Ny State of Mind" it's unreal."
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11. "sounds nothing like it cause its about New York?"
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its an ass of songs about New York

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17. "of course nothing like it... but conceptually it's a rip off"
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and considering the long history of Jay ripping off others lyrics and ideas... well let's just say this isn't a stretch.

  

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21. "lol wut."
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27. "How are the concepts similar "
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Other than the names and the fact that both songs are about NY?
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37. "RE: How are the concepts similar "
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>Other than the names and the fact that both songs are about
>NY?
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well there you have it

  

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43. "Then by that logic Nas bit Billy Joel's 'New York State of Mind'!"
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Stole the title and everything!

And Billy Joel bit Sinatra!

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12. "lol wut."
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29. "uh, no."
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34. "Billy Joel would like your attention for a moment."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol0dPJdzm1M

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10. "I think of it as an Alicia Keys song"
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Because Jay's verses are horrible

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13. "boo"
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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...melle mel

  

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14. "i still like it."
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for what it is (a hip hop city anthem that is palettable to wider audiences), i don't think its bad at all.

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15. "You see the way Jeetz nods his head to it "
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with the smirk of a toolbag winner

Song was epic but yes it's quite hateable now due to being played into a shallow grave

  

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16. "I started off disliking that song"
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after that phillies yankees world series I hate it with a passion.

  

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45. "^^ Sen Jayz at Powerhouse in Philly before the World Series "
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he said to the audience...yall gonna hate this song in about a week..then made a bet with a random dude in the front on the Phillies and Yanks

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18. "that shit is what you call an anthem"
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I dont really listen to either alicia keys or jayz but I love the shit out of that song
the verses are whatever jay doesn't say anything incredible but that hook???
Wooooooooooo!
I'm from NY tho so maybe I'm biased

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19. "^ in Neeeeewww Yooooooooork!!"
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hell yeah, you biased. LOL. it's cool tho.

that chorus is epic. can't front on it...although i'm not a fan of the song.

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20. "I can only imagine NY'ers liking that song..."
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22. "that State Farm commercial w/the kids screaming it"
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made me want to turn my tv off yesterday.

fuck you.

  

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23. "mugs in my TL yesterday were talking about how touching it was, etc."
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i paid attention to the commercial when it came on today (i tuned it waaaaay out yesterday) and i was like, really? this shit here?

y'all crying over this?

i wish they would only air it on that day, but it looks like it might be around for a minute. *groans*

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24. "...MESSATSU."
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>i wish they would only air it on that day, but it looks like
>it might be around for a minute. *groans*


(for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qjwDHoKPj0)

  

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44. "I cringed at that shit..."
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And they played it during every fucking game yesterday. I was like, "Is someone really trying to turn THIS into some sort of endearing song of human spirit and triumph?" Like using the kids' choir was supposed to soften our hearts. lol smh

  

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25. "Nas lost again"
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by picking to go with Kevin Rudolf instead of A Keys. lol I actually like Nas's verse here better than any of Jay's verses

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26. "lol kevin rudolph lol."
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nas lost.

  

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30. "holy shit, that song is absolutely awful"
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Empire State of Mind is a good record that's just relentlessly overplayed.

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28. "It's pretty rare to actually like a number one song though"
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especially if you're an OKP.


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31. "news flash bammas:"
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your heroes made hits too

Beatles made hits
Mike made hits
Prince, etc

  

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35. "Jay has a boatload of hits"
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most are better (and less exposed) than this

  

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32. "standardfor 2011 is Effective. NOT Good"
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i see why the song is effective.

and im glad ray goodman and brown are getting checks.

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33. "so effective it's good?"
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i think that's the argument... it's undeniably effective (see: fucking children singing in front of the fire station in that commercial, jay's first no. 1, etc), but some people see it as just being empty bullshit pandering understandable.

it does what it does so well though that i think it's a good song even though jay is in cruise control. song bangs in concert

  

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36. "#dead @ "Sun Ra keyboard knuckledragging""
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u a trip Claw lmmfao

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38. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SsBtfuSDxw"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SsBtfuSDxw

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41. "LMAOOOO woooooow!!!!!"
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39. "Doc you been goin in lately. lol"
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Thanes1975
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40. "RE: isn't 'Empire State of Mind' one of the most deceptively "
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The song is hot. Period. Good track on a good album. Nothing great...nothing bad....good song...

  

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Duval Spit
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42. "it isn't inherently sweetnlow, but it is Arena Rap"
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Larry Otis!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeM89CITvMc

and his free new singles, produced by Tough Junkie!
http://soundcloud.com/toughjunkie/sets/larry-otis-leaks

  

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46. "Where is the Deception???"
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it is what it is, and doesn't pretend to be anything else...

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Check Out MY Music!!!

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