didn't see this posted yet, however I think it could lead to an interesting discussion on here

http://teganandsara.com/news/a-call-for-change/

a call for change

When will misogynistic and homophobic ranting and raving result in meaningful repercussions in the entertainment industry? When will they be treated with the same seriousness as racist and anti-Semitic offenses? While an artist who can barely get a sentence fragment out without using homophobic slurs is celebrated on the cover of every magazine, blog and newspaper, I�m disheartened that any self-respecting human being could stand in support with a message so vile.

As journalists and colleagues defend, excuse and congratulate �Tyler, the Creator,� I find it impossible not to comment. In any other industry would I be expected to tolerate, overlook and find deeper meaning in this kid�s sickening rhetoric? Why should I care about this music or its �brilliance� when the message is so repulsive and irresponsible? There is much that upsets me in this world, and this certainly isn�t the first time I�ve drafted an open letter or complaint, but in the past I�ve found an opinion � some like-minded commentary � that let me rest assured that my outrage, my voice, had been accounted for. Not this time.

If any of the bands whose records are held in similar esteem as Goblin had lyrics littered with rape fantasies and slurs, would they be labeled hate mongers? I realize I could ask that question of DOZENS of other artists, but is Tyler exempt because people are afraid of the backlash? The inevitable claim that detractors are being racist, or the brush-off that not �getting it� would indicate that you�re �old� (or a faggot)? Because, the more I think about it, the more I think people don�t actually want to go up against this particular bully because he�s popular. Who sticks up for women and gay people now? It seems entirely uncool to do so in the indie rock world, and I�ll argue that point with ANYONE.

No genre is without its controversial and offensive characters- I�m not naive. I�ve asked myself a thousand times why this is pushing me over the edge. Maybe it�s the access to him (his grotesque twitter, etc). Maybe it�s because I�m a human being, both a girl and a lesbian. Maybe it�s because my mom has spent her whole adult life working with teenage girls who were victims of sexual assault. Maybe it�s because in this case I don�t think race or class actually has anything to do with his hateful message but has EVERYTHING to do with why everyone refuses to admonish him for that message.

It is not without great hesitation and hand wringing that I enter into the discourse about Tyler, the media who glorifies and excuses misogyny and homophobia, and the community of artists that doesn�t seem remotely bothered by it. I can only hope that someone reading this might be inspired to speak out. At the very least, I will know that my voice is on record.

skq

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jk

Anyway, I offer no comment because the ofwgkta lynch mob is surely on its way to punch this post in the uterus.

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miss quin has many points, and i sympathize, but as a hip-hop "outsider" she doesn't get that tyler's homophobic, misogynistic slurs are taken as a welcome throwback to a less commercialized era of the music and also an honest representation of the way kids talk. it may offend her sensibilities, but it's not really aimed at her in the first place. unfortunately, she recognizes it's not for her, but so many of her peers--artists and people who like her genre of music above all others--have convinced themselves they *must* get on board with odd future and tyler for fear of being exposed as uncool otherwise. that's why she's continually confronted with what she sees, not altogether wrong or right, as messages of hate, when otherwise this music would be fairly niche and kept to its genre and perhaps the internet.

with his usage of the word n**ga too
or if that doesn't bother her at all

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i'm sure she's familiar enough with rap to look past or not get into that. if he were self-identified as gay and threw around words like faggot, she probably wouldn't have written the letter because it wouldn't have been the right battle to choose. i guess the only way race would work into it from her perspective would be if a white rapper was using the word nigga referring to himself and others, so as a white woman she could check him for that. otherwise, she couldn't single out tyler for something most black and even some nonblack rappers do.

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which isn't all her fault, since the focus in the media is primarily on tyler with probably syd and her brother all the way last. i think it would be fascinating to observe a face-to-face conversation between sara and syd.

http://www.spinner.com/2009/05/01/nofx-respond-to-tegan-and-sara-controversy/

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i just think part of it comes off uninformed

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>get on board with odd future and tyler for fear of being
>exposed as uncool otherwise. that's why she's continually
>confronted with what she sees, not altogether wrong or right,
>as messages of hate, when otherwise this music would be fairly
>niche and kept to its genre and perhaps the internet.

Like, there's a couple of mainstream sites I go to and the press is nowhere near as deafening as it is among the indie/hip-hop blogs

>miss quin has many points, and i sympathize, but as a hip-hop
>"outsider" she doesn't get that tyler's homophobic,
>misogynistic slurs are taken as a welcome throwback to a less
>commercialized era of the music and also an honest
>representation of the way kids talk.

Would it really make the situation better if someone explained to her that it's not just this one guy that likes to talk about rape and murder, a lot of kids talk that way and a lot of people like hearing it.

>Would it really make the situation better if someone explained
>to her that it's not just this one guy that likes to talk
>about rape and murder, a lot of kids talk that way and a lot
>of people like hearing it.

she would still be offended, but it would reframe the conversation and maybe allow her to redirect her energy. instead of one person out there being allowed to say these things in his music and even celebrated for it, she'd know that it's only the tip of the iceberg for the history of the genre and for the way a lot of young people talk. i don't think she realizes any of that since her genre and her background shelter her.

and are super talented so what he says on record shouldn't matter...

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then don't put words in my mouth. I've spoken on this situation plenty
of times, and that's not how I feel about it.
My stance is, we have to hold everybody accountable. If Rick Ross and
whoever else can talk about selling crack all damn day, then where do
we draw the line? Recall when I was railing against that? You probably
don't, because you obviously have a selective memory.
I like Odd Future for their musical sensibilities. I discuss that,
because I quickly realized that you can't have a hip hop discussion here
about content as we all can find something wrong with lyrics.
I bring up Wise Intelligent, and most the ho ass bitches scream "pretentious"
because he DOESN'T talk about sex, drugs and violence.

Basically, if we let Jeezy Ross Fabolous and all them ride, then we have
to let OF ride. If OF is a problem then so is everybody else. We can't
place one crime higher than the other. So, fuck it. I discuss the music,
the flow, the swag or what have you because I like music discussion.
If we gonna talk content, fuck Rick Ross, fuck Odd Future, fuck Weezy,
fuck damn near everybody... but instead of yelling that all day, I'm
talkin bout music.

>If we gonna talk content, fuck Rick Ross, fuck Odd Future,
>fuck Weezy,
>fuck damn near everybody... but instead of yelling that all
>day, I'm
>talkin bout music.

Ross is wack to me with his "out of sight, out of mind" shit with him being a cop... That fat fuck was a cop who literally stole the identity of a drug dealer and then didn't want to admit it... And even if he didn't do that, he would still be wack to me... He's never offered rap anything good except for an ear for beats... Weezy is wack to me because he half asses 75% of his shit... and Odd Future is alright to me, but I'm not gonna defend any of their shit... Tyler is not a fuckin genius like many, pretty sure including you, have said...

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You won't ever catch your name in my mouth unless I'm talking about
a car wreck from 1985.

As for Ross and Weezy, I like both their cadence and flows. 99 percent
of their content is bullshit.
As for me saying Tyler was a genius, I said some of his work is genius
if I'm recalling it right. I also said Lady Gaga's Bad Romance was
genius. I don't think she a genius either though.

You also seem to throw around the word genius quite a bit... Nothing Gaga has done is genius if you're old enough to see through the shit... Same with Tyler...

You probably think it's genius the way you've side-stepped every negative criticism against Odd Future and tried changing the subject to other rappers... but that, like Tyler and Gaga, is not genius...

act your age man, I'm not saying you shouldn't like the music or be a fan, but to say "well it's cool they rapping about rape and shit because others rap about drugs and murder..." is pretty dumb...

defending lyrics about raping women is pretty odd to me... no pun intended...

and yeah, I called you out because you said in your own post it's cool what OF says because they play instruments... Is that not what you said??

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sidestepping? lmmfao!

>You also seem to throw around the word genius quite a bit...
>Nothing Gaga has done is genius if you're old enough to see
>through the shit... Same with Tyler...
>


I'm not asking you to agree with what I think is genius. Just disagree
and k.i.m. Or disagree and stay obsessed with me and call me out in
your replies... whatever.

>You probably think it's genius the way you've side-stepped
>every negative criticism against Odd Future and tried changing
>the subject to other rappers... but that, like Tyler and Gaga,
>is not genius...
>

Fool, I said the content is bullshit. What else do you want me to say?

>act your age man, I'm not saying you shouldn't like the music
>or be a fan, but to say "well it's cool they rapping about
>rape and shit because others rap about drugs and murder..." is
>pretty dumb...
>

I just explained this. I think it's all bullshit. But you can't call
out some of it without calling out all of it. IN MY OPINION, all of
it is just as bad. You ain't gotta agree.

>defending lyrics about raping women is pretty odd to me... no
>pun intended...
>

I agree. But I also feel that it's odd to defend lyrics about murder.
Therefore, I do neither.


>and yeah, I called you out because you said in your own post
>it's cool what OF says because they play instruments... Is
>that not what you said??

If I said it's cool for OF to talk about rape because they play
instruments, then I was on some bullshit that day. I don't recall
saying that though. Link me to it.
I DO recall saying they play instruments in response to someone saying
they were completely talentless.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2547683&mesg_id=2547683&listing_type=search#2548140


you really didn't remember??

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And yes, that's the reply I was talking about. Your reply insinuates
that they succeed on shock alone.. which I was rebutting with the reply
about talent. You in there mad because I didn't mention them in the
original post. I mentioned Lil B as my extreme example because well..
he's extreme. I personally think OF have alotta talent in their camp,
so they couldn't serve as that example for me.

My failure to mention them in the original post isn't a defense of
them. It's evidence that I don't personally view them as an act that
succeeds ONLY on controversy. Yet and still, reply 20 finds me
admitting that they are, in fact, an act who succeeds largely
due to their controversy.
Did you not realize the post is ABOUT artists selling controversy?

So you're original post was saying that FE and Cee-Lo have decided not to rely on their talent to sell music?? "I think you're CRAAAAAAZZZZYYY"

For you to think of a topic such as artists who are selling controversy over quality music and FE and Cee-Lo came to your mind before Odd Future is one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time... They're one of the biggest gimmicks in music right now and their favorite topics are "faggets" and rape...

and I never insinuated or said that OF didn't have talent... being so defensive of them, you must have created that in your mind... But to act like they're not capitalizing on controversy is ridiculous... (I understand you backpeddled on this already, but I still had to make my point that I never said they were talentless)

And by you defending them saying you didn't bring them up because they can rhyme and play instruments sounds like you're giving them a pass to say whatever they want... (Does it not SOUND like that??)

reply 20 basically voids your whole post other than a few Lil B comments...

When you can come back with something logical instead of "you're reaching", "Well what about Rick Ross", and "Tyler plays the piano", please let me know...

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another post.

Get over it.

>So you're original post was saying that FE and Cee-Lo have
>decided not to rely on their talent to sell music?? "I think
>you're CRAAAAAAZZZZYYY"
>

They were examples of people who were trying to rely on talent but
eventually decided to go the controversy route. I think you didn't
read. You do realize we're in this post talking about a completely
different right now because you been sittin on feelings you caught,
waiting to bring them up, LMAO. I'm starting to think you and Orbit
are the same folks.

>For you to think of a topic such as artists who are selling
>controversy over quality music and FE and Cee-Lo came to your
>mind before Odd Future is one of the funniest things I've
>heard in a long time... They're one of the biggest gimmicks in
>music right now and their favorite topics are "faggets" and
>rape...
>

If it's funny, laugh. You catchin feelings though. Dude get over it.

>and I never insinuated or said that OF didn't have talent...
>being so defensive of them, you must have created that in your
>mind... But to act like they're not capitalizing on
>controversy is ridiculous... (I understand you backpeddled on
>this already, but I still had to make my point that I never
>said they were talentless)
>

If I already addressed it, GET.OVER.IT.

>And by you defending them saying you didn't bring them up
>because they can rhyme and play instruments sounds like you're
>giving them a pass to say whatever they want... (Does it not
>SOUND like that??)
>

We're going in circles now.

>reply 20 basically voids your whole post other than a few Lil
>B comments...
>

You're right, that's why the post tanked after that.

>When you can come back with something logical instead of
>"you're reaching", "Well what about Rick Ross", and "Tyler
>plays the piano", please let me know...

When you get over your hurt feelings about a post I made last week,
let ME know.

HaHa, alright I'm done....

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If you happen to like it (and you aren't from said generation), that's awesome and you're extremely forward-thinking and open-minded, but it's really meant for the youth, who are extremely detached (and have every right to be). The music acts as catharsis. If you have a problem with it, change the society from which it emerged from. Of course, that's never going to happen, so in the meantime I'm going to celebrate the absurdity of it all and listen to rape fantasies, because there is nothing else to do apart from embracing detachment. The people who have an attachment to any sort of sort of 'ideal standard' in this society are the ones this music is meant to be offend, because at the end of the day, we all view shit in our way. If Tyler is popular, it's because loads of people agree with him. The problem isn't Tyler then -- it's you. This is a wake up call. This is the true, unfiltered mindset of the emerging youth. Be thankful someone is bringing it to your attention so you can attempt to address it now, and not thirty years down the line.

>If you happen to like it (and you aren't from said
>generation), that's awesome and you're extremely
>forward-thinking and open-minded, but it's really meant for
>the youth, who are extremely detached (and have every right to
>be). The music acts as catharsis. If you have a problem
>with it, change the society from which it emerged from. Of
>course, that's never going to happen, so in the meantime I'm
>going to celebrate the absurdity of it all and listen to rape
>fantasies, because there is nothing else to do apart from
>embracing detachment. The people who have an attachment to
>any sort of sort of 'ideal standard' in this society are the
>ones this music is meant to be offend, because at the end of
>the day, we all view shit in our way. If Tyler is popular,
>it's because loads of people agree with him. The problem
>isn't Tyler then -- it's you.

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your world = your own viewpoint. tyler has his. he's entitled to it. if it's popular it's because it's resonating. what's so funny about that?

>your world = your own viewpoint. tyler has his. he's
>entitled to it. if it's popular it's because it's resonating.
> what's so funny about that?

Nah... Don't worry. Nothing's funny.

You got it all figured out, player.

Enjoy your youth.

Or don't.

I mean, it's like, your world, dude.

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I put in a thought, you respond with LOL. I call you out, you come back on a high horse preaching nothing that has to do with my initial statements.

A response is a RESPONSE. LOLin and then relying on your 70,000 post count for credibility is not a response. GTFO.

IS a response, trust me.

In fact, it is probably the most logical response there is.

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and it would be funny as hell...

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but outright hilarious either way

Mob mentality still doesn't change my point, which you didn't address, at all.

I told you your invocation of existentialism to support your tired-ass "you don't understand this generation that is detached from all values" rant that reads like it was transcribed from an interview with a random generic punk band in a 1978 issue of NME... was puerile.

And it was.

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All you responded with was an LOL. You're snobby arrogance is as easily 10x as worse as you perceive mine to be. At least I put myself out there, all you could do was LOL like a 2nd grader.

You have to go rip of fatuous "blank generation" rhetoric from the friggin' Carter Administration. Didn't even bother to remix it a little, just bit up wholesale and served it up verbatim.

I can tell you how that story ends, if you like.

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http://amzn.to/Aoo8

You can crib some more philosophy from there and use it to describe your oh-so-unique worldview.

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And not just in a "Hey asshole, get a clue" recommendation sort of way.

I breezed through it, on and off, in a couple days.

~Austin

os·ti·na·to
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http://austinato.bandcamp.com

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but never read it in full.

I should do that soon, though, since I loved Legs' similar book on the porn industry.

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'I can tell you how that story ends'....that's funny stuff.

I think you're being a little tough on Xen but yah....every generation of kids have this idea that they have invented what should simply be called 'rocknroll'.

The OF mystique....older people have seen this kind of thing over and over but kids dig it cause they can feel 'part of something'. I say let the kids have fun.

Nihilism and narcissism always get their turn in the cycles of hipsterdom.

I actually admire that. First time I saw the "EARL" video, my immediate reaction was "I do not understand this at all... and maybe it even scares me a little bit. But it's obviously designed to scare me, and it doesn't give a shit if I understand it... and I think that's awesome!"

I've found the last 15 years or so of hip-hop to be depressingly boring, so I'm always rooting for any kids who try to break the paradigm in any way. (Hell, I rode for the New Boyz... and for Li B before he started to completely disappear up his own arse.)

I love that OF are doing something different and bringing energy and passion back to hip-hop. Is what they're doing stuff that I'm interested in listening to? Mostly no... but that's fine. I don't have to be *into* it to appreciate it.

And I've always had a soft-spot for some good ol' youthful nihilism (in reasonable measure) but like you said, it's the narcissism... Let's try to keep that shit in check and stop acting like motherfuckers have invented the wheel here.

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the whole thing is a big pop culture game. Chasing the 'cool'.

Xen's reference to the 'alienation of the youth' and all that has some truth to it....but when exactly were the youth NOT alienated? Put simply....there will always be a social function of pop culture wherein kids can explore taboo subjects as a therapeutic way of dealing with their teen angst.

It ain't cool to say that....but it's true. The cool thing right now seems to be calling someone a faggot for verbalizing this. It is a fun game to play though.

I'm not a Sarah Mclaughlin fan...but I'm reminded of one of here songs that goes something like this (it was directed towards goth culture but I think it applies here as well):

'Ya you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in.

Ya you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully.'

The ever-illusive cool. Always just outside the grasps of our identities.

doing something that they feel is original to themselves... i see your point about punk rock but so what? these are hip hop kids.. they don't know shit about punk... so why would their movement be any less relevant just because youth angst is not original? don't see your point here.

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tyler has openly admitted to being inspired by punk ideology (but doesn't really like the music), and he's the architect of the collective, so...

it was a medium by which youth angst was very vocally expressed... blues and rock n' roll express not only youth angst, but so much more.. love included.... what about jazz... you can't even define the angst expressed there in... let the kids have their little shop of horrors and let's not define it.. they clearly do not care what we think...

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>let the
>kids have their little shop of horrors and let's not define
>it.. they clearly do not care what we think...

i agree, they don't care, and it's not my place to define them, but to act like punk isn't an influence is naive and misinformed, that's all i'm saying there.

If that's the mythology they feed to *themselves*... fine. There's a saying amongst my people: "Whenever you wake up is morning for you," y'know?

But when they get up in my face like Xen and tell me "We're giving you old people a message that society is fucked up! You should be thanking us for telling you the truth about the world so you don't find out 30 years from now when it's too late!" and all that?

At that point I need to be like wait a motherfucking minute, junior... You ain't saying nothing new and 10 years from now your ass gonna be sitting in a cubicle and driving and minivan, using pics of your ugly-ass kids as your Facebook avatar.

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>If that's the mythology they feed to *themselves*... fine.
>There's a saying amongst my people: "Whenever you wake up is
>morning for you," y'know?

you'll drive yourself crazy trying to warn the youth about shit you already know lol.. and yeah.. it is kind of annoying that they think they are the first to come up with it.. when they clearly are not even in the same fucking vicinity so i see your point... but to them.. its kind of special..

>
>But when they get up in my face like Xen and tell me "We're
>giving you old people a message that society is fucked up! You
>should be thanking us for telling you the truth about the
>world so you don't find out 30 years from now when it's too
>late!" and all that?
>

lol true. it's like.. fuck off junior. i see what you're saying.

>At that point I need to be like wait a motherfucking minute,
>junior... You ain't saying nothing new and 10 years from now
>your ass gonna be sitting in a cubicle and driving and
>minivan, using pics of your ugly-ass kids as your Facebook
>avatar.

fml.

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>your ass gonna be sitting in a cubicle and driving and
>minivan, using pics of your ugly-ass kids as your Facebook
>avatar.

...and the 'Aughties Babies' will be laughing their asses off

>
>At that point I need to be like wait a motherfucking minute,
>junior... You ain't saying nothing new and 10 years from now
>your ass gonna be sitting in a cubicle and driving and
>minivan, using pics of your ugly-ass kids as your Facebook
>avatar.

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burbs. Tyler claims to be from Hawthorne, which is FAAAAAAAAAAAR from rich or Suburbs unless it was the West-most part of town...and I hear the group is from Ladera, which is a paradise right next to Inglewood.

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except that one of their parents has the money to send their kid to boarding school... sounds rich to me...

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Not necessarily Tyler specifically but just in general. Do Black artists have to come from extreme poverty and turmoil to have a legitimate, respectable perspective? Sounds like some Bernard Hopkins type logic to me.

I'm talking about rich kids and their immaturity... I don't find them complex and interesting and what ever the guy said... These kids apparently had enough money to make all these albums, but for the most part, they spewed immature bullshit...

You want to bring race into this?? Try this... If these kids were white, they would not be signed to a deal and have a much smaller fan base... by like 95%... and probably, if anything, been just a joke in GD...

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Everyone here hates pop music, but loves Michael Jackson... Okay Player...

You can't argue shit like that. It makes no sense. Hypotheticals get you nowhere.

>I'm talking about rich kids and their immaturity... I don't
>find them complex and interesting and what ever the guy
>said... These kids apparently had enough money to make all
>these albums, but for the most part, they spewed immature
>bullshit...

Well it's rare that you ever see anyone bring up a group being from the suburbs as a negative unless it's a Black group. It really doesn't cost a lot of money to drop a mixtape these days so it doesn't take rich suburban kids to do that.
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>You want to bring race into this?? Try this... If these kids
>were white, they would not be signed to a deal and have a much
>smaller fan base... by like 95%... and probably, if anything,
>been just a joke in GD...

If these kids were white they might be Eminem or Insane Clown posse or they might be a pop punk band or...I could go on.

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>If you happen to like it (and you aren't from said
>generation), that's awesome and you're extremely
>forward-thinking and open-minded, but it's really meant for
>the youth, who are extremely detached (and have every right to
>be). The music acts as catharsis. If you have a problem
>with it, change the society from which it emerged from. Of
>course, that's never going to happen, so in the meantime I'm
>going to celebrate the absurdity of it all and listen to rape
>fantasies, because there is nothing else to do apart from
>embracing detachment. The people who have an attachment to
>any sort of sort of 'ideal standard' in this society are the
>ones this music is meant to be offend, because at the end of
>the day, we all view shit in our way. If Tyler is popular,
>it's because loads of people agree with him. The problem
>isn't Tyler then -- it's you. This is a wake up call. This
>is the true, unfiltered mindset of the emerging youth. Be
>thankful someone is bringing it to your attention so you can
>attempt to address it now, and not thirty years down the
>line.

this makes zero sense. Being a fan of Tyler isn't being opened minded or forward thinking. Bitch suck dick isn't forward thinking. Saying fuck 4 times in a sentence isn't forward thinking.

Tyler is popular because it's different from what the industry has been hearing the last 4 years due to the autotune sound. I seriously doubt any cat outside of Frank Ocean will be around in 2 years.

...who also happens to be extremely popular right now amongst the youth. I'm not saying GaGa popularity, but there are very real fanbases that exist for both OF and Lil B, that I simply cannot picture people without a certain mindset really embracing. It's not a superior mindset, it's just the one of the times. That's what I was trying to say, more specifically, I was trying to really dig down to the real reason a lot of people embrace such a thing.