How does Ye get this album past a mil? Oh and Snooze Cole's Born Sinner album has sold more too.

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Of course he cares. Just because it's a non-traditional sound for him doesn't mean he doesn't care if it moves units or not. If anything, he wants it to sell to show he can make an "inaccessable" album and it was still sell because he's Kanye. That's obviously not happening right now.

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>and he probably doesn't care.

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He'll bounce back if he wants too with the next album, especially if this album catches a lot of bad reviews and if he still really cares about the music but he's got a lot going on with his lady and baby right now.

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now i may have been in the main Yeezus post voicing my displeasure but that's about it.

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Not shocking....At all...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

And, regardless of how you feel about it (I'm not too big of a fan of it), it's obviously not really an attempt at widespread commercial success...

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its obviously not a pop record and intentionally has zero mainstream appeal.
its unrealistic to expect it to sell as much as an album that had "Runaway" and "All of the Lights"

add'l edit:
you obviously didn't like the album, which is fine.
but why spend your energy analyzing it's sales?

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Record sales go down every year this is not new. I mean I hate the album really, I do, but this still means nothing.

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> this still means nothing.

if I know a little something about Ye (or artists in general......)

...it could mean he'll NEVER try anything like "Yesus" EVER AGAIN!

just sayin'

the next album is gonna be his 'return to form after the wilderness'. Me personally I like Yeezus but ima need him to come back with some beats next time.

after a week of sitting with this album,
trying to figure out whether i didn't like the album because it was challenging me
or because it's mostly pretentious bullshit...

i finally decided that it's a little bit of both
and the album just isn't for me.

even though i'm not a fan of the album aside for the first 3 tracks,
i can't say it's a failure, even if it sells poorly.
because i have no doubt that it's the album Kanye wanted to make,
and it doesn't even sound like he was trying to make a hit.

actually, it sounds like he was intentionally trying to lose fans.


so since he had no intention of going to the top of the pop charts with it,
and there are certainly people that are moved by it,
i don't think this means anything.

i'm sure Kanye himself isn't even surprised.

*shrug*

and not for other artists that don't care about numbers (not putting you in that sentiment)?

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1) his track record for hits is in place... so you get the impression
that if he wanted to do something commercially palatable, he could.

2) he has slowly morphed into something of an auteur.
even as his projects got more ambitious, he always put something
that was pop friendly in there.

so now that more people are comfortable with kanye west "the artiste,"
they are open to the idea of him releasing an album that has no pop in it at all.


if this was the follow up to his debut,
folks would just say he was batshit crazy.

when folks hear it as a follow up to MBDTF,
coming from the same guy that gave us "slow jams," "gold digger," and half of "the blueprint," it seems less like a guy that has become pretentious b/c he's scared that he CAN'T deliver a great pop song, and more like a guy that is DECIDING to not make a great pop song b/c there is something else he wants to try.



in other words, he has built a résumé that gives him
room to try what he wants, and he won't get written off.



even of his albums from now until forever disappear completely from the pop charts,
he'll still maintain a following that will be curious what he's up to next.

like prince. (which is not to say he's as talented.. but you catch my drift.)


>and not for other artists that don't care about numbers (not
>putting you in that sentiment)?

We need more posts like this......There r a lot of just knee jerk reactions that sometime folks tend to miss what's really going on...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>We need more posts like this......There r a lot of just knee
>jerk reactions that sometime folks tend to miss what's really
>going on...

>1) his track record for hits is in place... so you get the
>impression
>that if he wanted to do something commercially palatable, he
>could.
>

that only matters if you care about that sort of thing, which some don't but still get held to that parameter
same thing for rapping skill-niggas want top emcee credit because of everything but rapping skill and people give it to them


>2) he has slowly morphed into something of an auteur.
>even as his projects got more ambitious, he always put
>something
>that was pop friendly in there.
>

we're giving people credit for just doing shit, not how well they do it
that isn't something I go for no matter how lauded he is for it


>so now that more people are comfortable with kanye west "the
>artiste,"
>they are open to the idea of him releasing an album that has
>no pop in it at all.
>

seems to me not many are particularly comfortable with it, especially since there are so many pleas copped by fans and reviewers both for the album quality


>
>if this was the follow up to his debut,
>folks would just say he was batshit crazy.
>

I personally don't think he's crazy, just not nearly as talented as people give him credit for being
we're in the era of diminished returns but I can't rock with that


>when folks hear it as a follow up to MBDTF,
>coming from the same guy that gave us "slow jams," "gold
>digger," and half of "the blueprint," it seems less like a
>guy that has become pretentious b/c he's scared that he CAN'T
>deliver a great pop song, and more like a guy that is DECIDING
>to not make a great pop song b/c there is something else he
>wants to try.
>

again, that only matters if you care about hits in the first place
I go off the work itself, no perception of past achievements (deserved or otherwise) or hype


>
>
>in other words, he has built a résumé that gives him
>room to try what he wants, and he won't get written off.
>

if you're an artist you already have room to try new things, people shouldn't be allowed to dictate what you can and can't do


>
>
>even of his albums from now until forever disappear completely
>from the pop charts,
>he'll still maintain a following that will be curious what
>he's up to next.
>

you can say that about anybody that has a loyal fanbase, for whatever the reason may be


>like prince. (which is not to say he's as talented.. but you
>catch my drift.)
>

I get it, and Prince is another one
he has more bad albums than he has good ones, but people pretend like they're good because he's Prince
fuck that shit, failure is a part of artistry

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great conversation, though.


>that only matters if you care about that sort of thing, which
>some don't but still get held to that parameter
>same thing for rapping skill-niggas want top emcee credit
>because of everything but rapping skill and people give it to
>them
>


i was responding to the question of "why does kanye get to use this
excuse, but others don't."

kanye won't get slammed as quickly for critics for
coming out of left field b/c he had the hits,
and he's slowly gotten more ambitious with each project.


you said that some artists that haven't blown yet
get unfairly held to the standard of "where are the hits" when they
do something off the wall. and i agree, that's bullshit.

most of my favorite music is pop, but EVERYTHING shouldn't be pop.
we need variety. i don't like the mars volta that much,
but there need to be artists like the mars volta making that challenging music,
and they shouldn't be dismissed just b/c they don't have hits.

kanye isn't dismissed as quickly for the reasons i mentioned.
it might be unfair, but that's what's happening.



>
>we're giving people credit for just doing shit, not how well
>they do it
>that isn't something I go for no matter how lauded he is for
>it
>
>


i disagree here. kanye doesn't get props for me "just b/c he's trying."
i genuinely like what he's doing most of the time.
he's always ambitious. sometimes, he knocks it out of the park (MBDTF).

sometimes he doesn't (still don't see what folks see in 808s and heartbreak).


maybe you don't like what he's doing,
but he's certainly doing it well, most of the time.

this ain't like Wayne getting props for "trying" the guitar.
he's experimenting successfully, a lot of the time.





>seems to me not many are particularly comfortable with it,
>especially since there are so many pleas copped by fans and
>reviewers both for the album quality
>
>
>>

i don't think they are copping pleas.
se folks genuinely dig this album.

i don't. but different strokes.
i can see what someone can see in it, but it ain't hitting for me.
it might grow on me, but i doubt it.





>I personally don't think he's crazy, just not nearly as
>talented as people give him credit for being
>we're in the era of diminished returns but I can't rock with
>that
>
>

is music worse than it was in the past?
i dunno. i certainly like less of it now. but I won't comment on whether
quality has dropped or whether i have changed, b/c i don't know. I'll leave that alone.






>I get it, and Prince is another one
>he has more bad albums than he has good ones, but people
>pretend like they're good because he's Prince
>fuck that shit, failure is a part of artistry
>
>
>


now this... is interesting.
and it could be a seperate post.

prince is an artist that,
even when he sucks... i'm still gonna like something about the album.

not b/c i'm copping pleas.
but something in the DNA of his music will always appeal to me,
even when it's mostly terrible.

MJ is another artist like that.
there are no MJ songs i can't listen to at all.
even when he was washed up for a while on motown.
even when he's in Celine Dionne influenced, "we are the world" reduxes,

no matter what he's singing, I'll dig it to some degree.
even if it sucks.


stevie is another one.
and really, kanye's on that list, too.



even when it sucks,
i'll dig something about it.

not b/c i think i SHOULD like it.
i just do.


i don't think it's copping pleas.
some artists, you just like pretty much notated what.

i don't know why.

I'm aware that's how people feel, I'm only saying it's playing with a loaded deck and I don't really give much credence to such opinions

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it's also aggressively non-listenable

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not to fulfill some contractual agreement.

His plan just didn't work this time.

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even though he made a launch plan based around projecting it in major cities & being a guest on SNL while putting it out to be timed with the birth of his tabloid baby.

and in some ways, a marketing gimmick.
the whole coveting the spotlight and yet hating the attention deal, i mean.


a lot of folks get into show business b/c they WANT the praise.
but at the same time, once they get it... they resent the attention and their fans.

see: John Lennon
see also: Kurt Cobaine.

etc.


>even though he made a launch plan based around projecting it
>in major cities & being a guest on SNL while putting it out to
>be timed with the birth of his tabloid baby.

artists try to alienate their fan base all the time.

prince did it with "around the world in a day."
george michael did it with "listen without prejudice."
nirvana did it with "in utero"
eminem tried to do it with "the marshal mathers LP," but it backfired.

it's not uncommon.

i'm surprised MJ never had an intentionally un-pop album.
most megastars try it at least once.

...if the album sells or not.

Shoot, the biggest "hit" on the last album Kanye rapped on wasn't radio friendly. It wasn't a single and didn't have a video until a while AFTER the album was released and the public latched onto the track.

Artists also makes albums that sound different than they have any time before with the idea that they're so big that they're audience will follow them no matter where they go. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. This time it hasn't.

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it's a weird album,
but it's not designed to be abrasive.

put it this way.
if you were sitting in your office, and you had this new kanye album playing in the background...

if somebody walked in and struck up a conversation with you,
at some point, that person will ask, "what (the fuck) are you listening to?"
and that's intentional, i think.


kanye doesn't want people to initially like this album.
it's aggressively abrasive.
when you first hear it, he wants your natural inclination to be to turn it off.


that's different than what was going on on MBDTF.
it wasn't overtly radio friendly,
but when you heard it, you were supposed to like it.

that was supposed to be the album that won you over.


this album is the opposite of that.
you aren't supposed to like it. at least not right away.
and for the most part, i don't.

it might grow on me, but i doubt it.
i'm pretty sure he got what he was going for.


>...if the album sells or not.
>
>Shoot, the biggest "hit" on the last album Kanye rapped on
>wasn't radio friendly. It wasn't a single and didn't have a
>video until a while AFTER the album was released and the
>public latched onto the track.
>
>Artists also makes albums that sound different than they have
>any time before with the idea that they're so big that they're
>audience will follow them no matter where they go. Sometimes
>it works, sometimes it doesn't. This time it hasn't.
>

>...if the album sells or not.
>
>Shoot, the biggest "hit" on the last album Kanye rapped on
>wasn't radio friendly. It wasn't a single and didn't have a
>video until a while AFTER the album was released and the
>public latched onto the track.
>
>Artists also makes albums that sound different than they have
>any time before with the idea that they're so big that they're
>audience will follow them no matter where they go. Sometimes
>it works, sometimes it doesn't. This time it hasn't.


Forget singles...There's barely a bare bones radio song on this album....Let's put it this way...The Fantasy album had the type of songs that bridged the gap between traditional rap fans ("Monster") and critical darling hype ("Runaway")....It hit on different levels...

Yeezus doesn't have the hooks of Fantasy...Nor does it have the blockbuster lineup of Fantasy (Jay Z, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Rick Ross, ect....)....It's essentially West's version of a punk album...Even its guest performers beyond Charlie Wilson (who was recorded for a very odd break for "Bound 2") are pretty underground (King Louie) or just odd (Chief Keef is singing on a hook...not rapping)...

Again, if folks want to say Yeezus wasn't a good album or that it wan't their cup of tea, I can dig that...

But this silly talk of comparing Yeezus to traditional rap/hip-hop albums is futile...

It's obvious that West was not out to make "Gold Digger" with this one...He was after that critically acclaimed Pitchfork glory, ...

We he drops his next "Mercy" or when he attempts to walk that fine line like he did with Fantasy, then we can truly judge his work on commercial terms...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

ain't up

at this point, i'm confused as to why ppl are mad lol... is it just a disappointment? is it resentment? is it the kanye fans? the critics?

i think the most entertaining thing about this album is just watching the responses.. do-or-die kanye fans defending it, fans who genuinely enjoy the album (which *is* still possible the last time i checked), fans who are let down by the album, ppl who just plain don't like kanye, yet still wasted time d/l'ing and listening just so their hate could be accurate... it's been a pretty good show..

the album itself is nothing earth-shattering, but i can dig most of it (esp. "I'm In It")... and the dude is releasing another album next year, or before the end of 2013.. so it's really not that serious..

and when you really think about it long-term, what better PR for the next (probably more conventional) album than coming off of the most polarizing album in recent memory.. any single that sounds remotely like a radio cut is gonna be VERY well received.. "kanye's back!" from the diehards... "see? i told you he'd be back!" from the fans who were let down... "eh, it's aiight" from the haters... all while still getting paid, completing steps toward fulfilling your record deal, getting praise from critics for being daring.. shit's chess, not checkers imo..

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why is this a topic of discussion? did folx really think 'yeezus' would do crazy numbers?

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people who don't like kanye suddenly care about numbers

if you don't promote an album it won't sell, we all know that
you know good and damn well you niggers would be talking about how this album is proof of his inability to fail if people bought it in droves
you can't have it both ways
if anything, if you believe what you just typed, you'd have to concede that album sales have no bearing on how good an album really is and shouldn't be weighted so heavily to the greatness of an artist

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or THE metric.

i don't weigh sales all that heavily when it comes to evaluating music.
but at the same time, the world's collective enjoyment of an album DOES have some weight. it makes it more fun to listen to, i think.

it might not be a total coincidence that most of my favorite music is insanely popular.
then again, i hate lil' wayne even though kids love him. and celine dione is one of the top selling artists of all time. i think she's wretched.


anyway, it's not a fair assumption to think everybody that likes (or doesn't hate) this album only care about sales.


>if you don't promote an album it won't sell, we all know
>that
>you know good and damn well you niggers would be talking about
>how this album is proof of his inability to fail if people
>bought it in droves
>you can't have it both ways
>if anything, if you believe what you just typed, you'd have to
>concede that album sales have no bearing on how good an album
>really is and shouldn't be weighted so heavily to the
>greatness of an artist

what I'm saying is that when people talk about how great an artist is nowadays, the first things mentioned are things other than the music itself (chart positions, first week numbers, etc)
now that those things don't shit in the artist's favor we have people saying they're not important and that the artist doesn't care about them

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>why is this a topic of discussion? did folx really think
>'yeezus' would do crazy numbers?

nobody as pop wise as kanye west
releases an album that sounds like this unless the really don't give a fuck about the charts.

if he was at all focused on sales, i'd expect to have SOMETHING on there that you can hum.
or something with a sped up soul sample.
or something that was at least trying to ape what's going on in the pop music landscape.

anything but this.

but hov still bout to clear ~500k
even after givin his album away for free
+ standard rip availability.

ye had a global promotional campaign
and performed on snl too.

niggas just aint support the album
cuz the music was trash.
80% dropoff in the 2nd week confirms that
(or maybe even hints at some 1st week book cookin)

i only heard the snippets from the commercial,
but yeah.

it sounds like an album with hooks.
and tunes you can hum.

you know, like pop.



do you honestly think that's what kanye was trying to do?


>but hov still bout to clear ~500k
>even after givin his album away for free
>+ standard rip availability.
>
>ye had a global promotional campaign
>and performed on snl too.
>
>niggas just aint support the album
>cuz the music was trash.
>80% dropoff in the 2nd week confirms that
>(or maybe even hints at some 1st week book cookin)
>
>

there's a single and i assume there will be an official video forthcoming
as far as him not caring if it sells, bleh....he still has a budget to recoup
he cares because def jam cares
unless recording a shitty album in 2 weeks is going to be his MO going forward
in which case he should just retire and save us all some time

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>recording a shitty album

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Face it, the man has peaked commercially.

J. Cole may be a snooze but he's the present. Kanye's part of the past (despite having a very rabid fan base, as witnessed with this very board.)

let's maybe wait for him to try to make another hit song
before we say he's incapable of creating a hit song anymore.

and even if he HAS peaked commercially,
what is that really saying?

"the blueprint" came out in 2001.
i think that's when he started getting a lot of burn commercially and critically.

i don't know what his top selling album or single is,
but he's been successful on the charts since then all the way up until
"watch the throne," which came out... last year, right?

anyway... that's at least 10 years of a shitload of commercial success.
nothing to sneeze at. so even if this album ends his career (which it won't)
he has had an amazing career... both commercially AND artistically.



i guess what i'm sayin is,
what's your point?





>Face it, the man has peaked commercially.
>
>J. Cole may be a snooze but he's the present. Kanye's part of
>the past (despite having a very rabid fan base, as witnessed
>with this very board.)

And I find it almost endearing that you and so many others in this thread are finding a bunch of ways to rationalize and defend his declining commercial profile.

It's not impossible for him to release another hit record. That has more to do with the Def Jam machine than anything else, actually.

His first album dropped in 2004. He peaked in 2007. He's still relevant with his rather sizable and very devoted fan base but face it, bruh, the public's moved on a long time ago.

He's not the type of act that the public would be invested in for an extended amount of time. His appeal was cult of personality. That'll only continually appeal to those who were invested in his persona from the beginning. Not the casual music listener...which most of the music-buying public is comprised of.

if MJ can fall off,
anybody can.

i still don't think this means much.
like i said, lets wait until he TRIES to make another comercial album
before we decide if he's washed up commercially.



also, it seems a little disingenuous to measure his solo career
by nothing but his albums.

he was on the scene longer than that
as a successful producer for rocafella records.

i guess you could say he peaked commercially in 2007 with graduation,
but MBDTF was arguably his best album. but i won't nitpick, some folks don't like MBDTF and regular people in the public probably don't associate him with "the blueprint."

anyway, it doesn't matter.
i doubt we'll ever agree about this.




>And I find it almost endearing that you and so many others in
>this thread are finding a bunch of ways to rationalize and
>defend his declining commercial profile.
>
>It's not impossible for him to release another hit record.
>That has more to do with the Def Jam machine than anything
>else, actually.
>
>His first album dropped in 2004. He peaked in 2007. He's still
>relevant with his rather sizable and very devoted fan base but
>face it, bruh, the public's moved on a long time ago.
>
>He's not the type of act that the public would be invested in
>for an extended amount of time. His appeal was cult of
>personality. That'll only continually appeal to those who were
>invested in his persona from the beginning. Not the casual
>music listener...which most of the music-buying public is
>comprised of.

but why is everyone acting surprised that this is selling less than MBDTF though?

like this album is 10x less "accessible" musically

why are people acting surprised?

I'm not copping pleas, I don't even like Yeezus, lyrically its terrible and that ruined the album for me

but come on lol

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The truth: to deliberately not market Yeezus was cool at the time. Now it's not so cool, he's a mega star and these numbers are sub standard for him. This notion that there's nothing for radio here is silly also.

But still, if he does in fact tour behind this album tickets will sell out in every town and any festival he plays over the next 12 months will feature him as the headliner. Insisting he's somehow losing relevance is as foolish as the idea to not market the album.

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or especially Blood On The Leaves which I find a new layer in with each listen).

My thing is just don't try to sell me on Kanye not caring if it sells, that shit is insulting to my intelligence.

but you've got to agree that no one in their right mind could expect an album that sounds like this to do similar numbers to past kanye efforts.. i'm positive that kanye and everyone around the album *cares* about selling, but there were some pretty non-commercial decisions made throughout...

the title of the album is already alienating a lot of folks... first thing people hear is called "Black Skinhead".. your main marketing tactic is "mystique".. you understand that saying things like "i am a god".. "gettin' head by the nuns" and "put my fist in her like the civil rights sign" just might be polarizing... one side isn't buying just cuz of the subject matter... and then half of the other people might be looking for the kanye and soulful beats they know and love... these people are professionals, they know what's up...

but what an album like this does is make sure that kanye is being talked about the most out of all of these big hip hop releases... or at least talked about with the most passion - further keeping everyone tuned in to The Kanye West Show - even the people who don't like him.. it ensures his "importance".. i think in the world of publicity and marketing, the worst response to get is "eh" (the fact that i *hated* 808s and was kind of pissed off by it and confused as to why anyone would like it makes me remember it.. compared to me sometimes forgetting that Kingdom Come was ever made)..

and i don't know if this is what they were going for, but i will say that publicity and passion was definitely a result. i can count on my fingers the amount of people i've talked to who actually like the album.. but everyone i know has listened to it and they all have an opinion about it..

the elaborate production, 1000 collaborators on each song, g.o.o.d friday series, supposed-to-be-epic phoenix ballerina video, huge single, all the drama behind the artwork....

now compare that to yeezus, which comes out while kanye has been all over gossip 'news', was on some 'tru3 magic' ish with the packaging, seems intent on polarizing and/or "challenging" listeners....

make sense that 'yeezus' wouldn't touch My Beautiful... sales-wise. i'm not very privy to industry designs, so i appreciate the insight many of y'all provided on that level.

whether or not the weak sales are intentional or if kanye doesn't care, honestly i'm not interested in that. outside of a couple songs, i can't rock with 'yeezus'. if he put his heart into this album and it came out as he envisioned, great. but from what i understand, this was basically kanye 'trying some ish out' for a couple weeks in paris. should've been a free download.

i like born sinner though haha.

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and it hasn't even been out 4 months
I mean it wasn't about shit anyway, but I find it funny how nobody defends it anymore after going so hard in this thread

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i still like it.
i don't know why people thought i was pretending to like it.

is that something people do?
pretend to like an album?


like i said... 50 percent of it is dope.
50 percent is whatever to me.



but i wasn't lying about my feelings on the album.
it still gets burn.

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Shit was horrible.

I got forced to listen to it again on a road trip recently. Two pretty good tracks and the rest is absolute trash.

With all the shit about women on there...and dude just had a daughter. It's kinda fucking gross to be honest.

that would be a cry for attention and would go against everything he was at least claiming to do with this album "anti-commercial" my ass

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@rob_starrk

where when he's promoting his next album he'll just say he wanted to put out some creative shit and knew people wouldn't get it and yada yada

btw... i like 808's better... Yeezus is clearly his worst album imo, and I don't hate it, it's just boring


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@rob_starrk

thats that i guess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/kanye-wests-yeezus-heaven_n_3624741.html

NEW YORK — To no one's surprise, Kanye West's sixth solo effort debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 charts last month. But "Yeezus" sold only 327,000 units that week – West's lowest first-week sales since he released his 2004 debut, "The College Dropout."

This week, the fourth week the album has been out, "Yeezus" sold 29,000 units, bringing its total to 459,356, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

Could West's album be headed south?

Joe Levy, editor of Billboard, says the rapper hasn't promoted his album the way most A-list artists do, so "Yeezus" is performing nicely.

"With almost absolutely no promotion and certainly nothing traditionally defined as album release promotion, no single, no video, no magazine covers. ... This is a fan reaction based purely on interest and anticipation," he said. "I think given the way he's approached this release, he's doing quite well."

West wouldn't be interviewed for this story and his label, Def Jam, didn't immediately respond to an email requesting an interview or a statement.

"Yeezus" is an artsy, dark adventure that isn't easy to digest. The 10 tracks are made up of moody, electronic and erratic beats, with the lyrics focusing on race, religion and other topics. West's weird-boy, punk rock sound isn't a surprise: He began on a darker route in 2008 with "808s & Heartbreak" and went deeper two years later with "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy." But the new album has put the multiplatinum, Grammy-winning rapper on a new wavelength outside the mainstream margin.

The album, though critically acclaimed, doesn't have any big singles, anthemic hooks or charismatic lyrics like West's past efforts. In fact, West officially released a single, "Black Skinhead," two weeks after the album dropped. The music video came days later.

West performed on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" a month before he released "Yeezus," debuting the songs "New Slaves" and "Black Skinhead" while lights flickered behind him and visuals of dogs barking and the words "not for sale" appeared behind him. He also was the headline act at the Governors Ball festival in New York and gave extensive interviews to The New York Times and W magazine. And West had his first child, daughter North West, with Kim Kardashian days before the album was released.

"It's like the difference between making an art piece and something that's just driving for commercial success, and I think he's at a level of celebrity where he can do that, and the next record he can come back and have an album with five singles on it if he chooses to," said Faith Newman, the A&R executive who signed Nas and also works with 2 Chainz. "He's just in a different class of artists."

The buzz around "Yeezus" shifted partly because of J. Cole's new album, "Born Sinner," released the same day as "Yeezus." Though it debuted at No. 2, J. Cole's sales have surpassed West with 478,647 albums sold. It features collaborations with Kendrick Lamar and Miguel, who appears on the radio hit "Power Trip."

Jay-Z also is responsible for grabbing much of the attention from West. The rapper has been in the spotlight since he announced his new album in a commercial during the NBA Finals a month ago. Along with a business deal that shook up the music industry in which Samsung gave 1.2 million copies of "Magna Carta Holy Grail" to its Galaxy mobile customers, the album sold 528,000 units this week, debuting at No. 1.

"If you look at Jay-Z, who staged an enormous media event around the release of his record and is following it up with a tour, you're looking at an artist who is utilizing all available channels to promote his record, and, in fact, creating new ways to distribute and promote his record," Levy said. "If you look at Kanye, he's an artist who consciously decided to use no available channels to promote his record, and he's got good reason for it. Not only has he intentionally made a difficult work of art that he wants to stand on its own terms, he's just had a baby. He's got other things on his mind."

On Friday, police were investigating a scuffle between West and a cameraman at Los Angeles International Airport. TMZ posted a video of the incident that showed West lunging at a photographer's camera and trying to wrestle it away.

Newman, who is the senior vice president of creative and business development at music publisher Reservoir Media Management, believes "Yeezus" might not hit platinum status unless it gets a musical face-lift.

"I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes on and remixes one of those songs on his album ... and comes up with the most amazing single and drops a bomb on people," she said. "He might be sitting in the cut and looking at what's going on with everybody else."

Overall, Newman said, "Yeezus" won't have a negative effect on West's career.

"Do I think it will hurt him in the long run in terms of popularity? I don't think so," she said. "I'm sure he's already got another something in the works. I think Kanye's going to be around for a long time – love him or hate him."

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He was on SNL. He premiered black skinhead (or new slaves. Forget which one) on buildings across America.

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