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Subject: "how is "conscious rap" any more disingenuous than trap/gangsta?" Previous topic | Next topic
Fructose Soda
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Thu Feb-14-13 04:07 PM

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"how is "conscious rap" any more disingenuous than trap/gangsta?"


  

          

Or rather, when did this become the general consensus amongst popular culture fans/artists?
I like "gangsta music" (in moderation) as well as other shit, so I'm not partial to any singular aesthetic.
But, why is "conscious" a dirty word, today?

  

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because ideas of "street" and "ghetto" don't usually evoke
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Because conscious was just a word used
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There is also a sort of "reality complex" that has always made rap intri...
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It's simple: When people can't relate or have no desire to be somethin
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every genre does this, to a degree.
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c71
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Thu Feb-14-13 04:13 PM

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1. "because ideas of "street" and "ghetto" don't usually evoke"
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ideas of politically advanced/informed behaviors/activities.

So, "conscious" rap doesn't seem real. Sort of like a hope-pie in the sky-thing, compared to what seems "real" in the ghetto.

  

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imcvspl
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Thu Feb-14-13 04:19 PM

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2. "Because conscious was just a word used"
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to get headwrap hoes.

Rappin for da bitches won!!
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Nodima
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Thu Feb-14-13 05:39 PM

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3. "There is also a sort of "reality complex" that has always made rap intri..."
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OKP gets into real vs. Real, black vs. Black often enough so I don't think it's worth breaking down in THIS thread one more 'gain, but in the digital, everything's fucked and worthless age we live in, it can feel supremely corny to hear Superstar Quamallah take a break from his professorial pursuits to cut a rap album about eating right and being nice to your friends (while clarifying he's a better rapper than you and your friends, because he's a rapper).


There is also not an idealism around which like-minded artists can rally anymore. 1017, MMG, CTE and Duct Tape can all eat from the same plates because they're all perpetuating each other. But there isn't that constant, "unavoidable" barrage of eating your greens and respecting neighborhood leaders like there was in the late-90s, so there's no center mass for it. The most "conscious" rappers of any consequence that even come to mind for me these days would be, like...


Skyzoo
Saigon
Big KRIT
Kendrick Lamar
CunninLynguists
Roots
Stalley

I mean I'd throw G-Side in there, but they broke up. And NONE of these artists sound like stereotypical conscious, few of them seem to interact regularly.


Or more succinctly, 'conscious' is sort of dead as a term because it's dead as an identifiable genre. These guys are rapping over the same thudding 808s, for the most part, as everyone else.



And Waka Flocka is taking them to school anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY5Ka7jQMyE



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Ashley Ayers
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Thu Feb-14-13 05:59 PM

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4. "It's simple: When people can't relate or have no desire to be somethin"
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they call it fake or pretentious. Basically, folks don't believe there are negros out here who
care about their environment and think beyond sex with every woman with big ass and titties...
black people whose self esteem isn't connected to what material things they own.

We exist though. There's nothing pretentious about maturity.


  

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Joe Corn Mo
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Thu Feb-14-13 06:06 PM

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5. "every genre does this, to a degree. "
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soul artists "grew up in the church."
country artists grew up "south of bakersfield."
rap artists have "street cred."

a lot of it is marketing, to a degree.

it's a way to make the fans have some kinda solidarity,
and it is a way for the gate keepers on the genre to ensure "authenticity."


some of it is bullshit,
some of it is real.

that's show business.

  

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