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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

3k would probably be the greatest (to me), based on his bars and overall influence.

I like listening to Luda more tho.

I’d lean towards Face.

Phonte is my favorite though.

Big Boi
Andre 3000
Lil Wayne
T.I.
Ludacris
Scarface
Bun B
Juvenile
Young Jeezy

...maybe I missed someone, but I feel like on all the metrics people use, it'd be these guys pretty much.

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i'm not hating both of them are great but i'm grabbing names that sort of fulfill all the metrics people use for these lists.

edit: maybe even Bun B shouldn't be on that list i made as he's similar to MJG in a lot of ways (though way more commercially successful and in the cultural zeitgeist way more too).

prolific to an unprecedented degree, highly skilled and versatile, legendary mixtape runs that helped shape how music is released and distributed, countless records sold, and unfathomably influential — to the point when a hip hop artist *isn't* influenced by wayne it seems unusual

Comes a point where it’s diminishing returns IMO.

I’d rather hear one album of your best shit in a year, rather than 3 mixtapes and an album, all of varying quality.

I’ll take Scarface’s discography, including group albums, over Wayne’s any day.

taken.

sometimes less is more.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

For me personally, when an artist releases music too frequently I lose interest, especially if the quality varies so much. But even if it's all "good" or better, I still have trouble keeping up.

Blu is a good example. That dude went through a period where he released a ton of music, and even tho Below the Heavens was a top 5 album for me, I kinda stopped paying attention cuz I got frustated trying to keep up.

So yea - you can be too prolific.

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"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

Blu is a perfect example. Curren$y is another one for me. I like both of them, but there’s just so much music that it makes it hard to keep up and I end up caring less. I end up being selective about which albums to give a chance, and I ignore everything else - and there’s probably some songs I’d really like that I haven’t heard, because of it.

“If you ain’t dropping that cheap, weakened shit, every week and shit, they wonder about your whereabouts.” - Phonte

>“If you ain’t dropping that cheap, weakened shit, every
>week and shit, they wonder about your whereabouts.” - Phonte

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It’s not just because he was nearly peerless at a time every damn epicenter treated him like the definitive enemy at the gate. NOr that he redefined what “fun” rap was at a time you either went full nerd like Del or full pseudo-liberal arts like Cam. Nor that he came up rapping non-stop, so that he could efficiently hand wave both the NYC/DMV tropes he loved and the NO/ATL/MIA traditions he grew up on into a whole gumbo rather than disparate ingredients.

It doesn’t matter that he sucked as much as he sucked - that’s arguably a boon to the legacy of when he emphatically didn’t, as well as a lighthouse for the times when he randomly returns to being hilarious, or cold, or “conscious”, or dumb as fuck in the best way.

There’s plenty room to pencil push and/or do some Nelson George-type romantic handwringing (honestly I’ve got no idea where he stands on dude I’m just picking a guy) about Wayne’s full career and rightfully so…but that dude rapped his ass off more frequently than anyone for half a decade and birthed just as many try-hard imitators as your other favorite MCs.

Wayne was IT, and it’s silly to me anybody fronts otherwise, because their only guardrail is consistency. You can have Dre, Bun and a couple others enter the chat, but this man really fucked that chat up.

Honestly, I might even nominate Curren$y or Gucci before I add old crowns to my list.


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Killer Mike is no in the convo too.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

>Killer Mike is no in the convo too.
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That’s interesting. I don’t know if I agree - those RTJ albums don’t do much for me.

But RAP Music and his new one were both among the very best albums in the year they came out. IMO of course. So if someone is really into those RTJ albums, I could see why they’d put him up there.

but he's spitting on each of those.

of course his last solo is a monster and so was RAP music. I liked most of the Grindtime albums too.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

yeah he's a rapist but on the mic he used to to throw down, lot of his best work was on features

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

may not be the greatest but that boy good!

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

I can’t say he’s the “greatest”, seems that should be reserved for the pioneers that influenced him.

But as a rapper and producer, the content and range of songs he’s made, and the overall discography….he’s way up there as one of the best and definitely as one of my favorites.

I’d put Phonte, KRIT, Scarface, and Kast way up high on my all time favorite list.

his catalog is hella strong. agreed on the range. varied content over a variety of beats.

I found him late but glad I did.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

5. Juvenile
4. TI
3. Scarface
2. Lil Wayne
1. Andre 3000 (by a considerable margin)

and not even mentioned?

smh

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

I know he never released any solo albums that were straight rapping but hell, did 3 Stacks ever release a legit solo rap album?

Ceelo.. can actually sing and when he was in Goodie or featured on Outkast he murdered whatever he was on.

while I think 3Stacks is the obvious answer due to Outkast..

Ceelo was no slouch on the mic

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Especially Soul Food. Can’t do it much better than that.

One of the best verses ever.


https://youtu.be/AEBEiiM-qMo?si=sBpNGk1d7p7NSOnC

Well I woke up this mornin with the same frustration from situations like these
Got a call about some work from one of them temporary agencies
No high school diploma or any college degrees
I can't enlist but they'll draft me if there's a war overseas
Oh please
Of course I can slice some OZs
But see I'm one of those aspirin MCs
And uh bills are due so at times I'm doubtful and everyone disagrees
But I'd rather struggle on my feet than to live on my knees
So my uniform tight workin all night at Mickey D's
Got about 90 dollars and some change after the government
Get they fees
These minimum wages ain't enough to feed my babies
Purposely these limitations on black folks opportunities
So I quit cuz I'm tired of being one of those overworked
Underpaid employees
Stop carin at all went on and did a few small burglaries
It seems like my faith done turned into forgotten memories
And I ain't gettin away with nothing because I know He always sees
But see right now I need to see how I can get this here dope sold
I done stuffed in my pocket as many rocks as it can hold
They gonna get high so I'm gonna get my money even though it's freezin cold
Now how many times you done heard this story told?
Believe it or not, there's some very intelligent junkies
But dependencies is eating away at they souls like disease
Anyone can turn into somebody who covets and envies
Unequal economics can easily make you some enemies
And the crime rate never drops so the cops ride around in threes
I knew he would have killed me if I did anything but freeze
They found the rest of the dope in some nearby shrubberies
In a dimlit room being questioned by these authorities
And they gave me some time in correctional facilities
And now my woman's gotta take on a man's responsibilities

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I think he covered his face with a white towel while doing that verse when they were on tour tour with the Roots and Fugees. he just stood in place and the music dropped out. shit was cold af.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

i wish we could have gotten a full album in this vein.

I would also nominate his verse on "Blood" remix from the "America Is Dying Slowly" compilation.

Cee-lo was so dope. But it feels like a few things derailed his rapping career.

which is why his output isn’t strictly rap based

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

OOOOhhhhWEEEEE

Man I wish he'd be more prolific.

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@fakewilliamkatt

"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do!" - Olin Miller

I know he's now problematic, and spent waaaay too much time doing wack Weird Al shit, but dude was a lyrical force on those first two Goodie Mob albums and the guest appearances. And his rapping on those first two Cee-Lo Green solo joints was dope too.

His performance on the whole "Still Standing" album is an all-timer. One of, if not the best performance by an emcee in a group of four or more on an album. You mentioned "I Refuse Limitation" below, which is flames, but I'm an even bigger fan of his verse on "Gutta Butta."

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Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

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Dude rapped his ass off.
Could do some soulful singing and write hits for the pop charts

THe allegations of sexual misconduct threw a wet blanket on what could have been an all time great career

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

he just ticks all the boxes that there are to be ticked.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

i have no special affinity for Wayne.

as i said, he just checks the most "greatness" boxes.

of all the people i listed as "candidates?" i prefer T.I. but i can objectively say that T.I. is not greater than Wayne.

Oh that's right, you did. Based on... wait for it...
subjective reasoning.

God white men love to claim "objectivity"

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

aight chief.

i think there are metrics in these discussions are typically used to determine these things (impact, influence, classic songs/albums, sales, longevity, etc) that are understood by people regardless of race/ethnicity, lol. we can argue about which of them hold what weight, etc. but they still exist. Wayne checks the most.

but hey, it's cuz i'm white.

sheesh, who shit in your cornflakes this morning?

>we can argue about
>which of them hold what weight, etc. but they still exist.
>Wayne checks the most.

And honestly, I don't give a shit if you think Wayne, TI, or Crunchy Black is the greatest southern rapper of all time. I just take issue with claiming your opinion is at all objective.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

i think you're missing my point.

but whatever. definitely not worth arguing about or even discussing any further.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i think you can have these discussions and maintain objectivity when there is an understood set of measurables, which there is...cuz, you know that's actually the definition of objective.

which is what was lost on Hitoriki, apparently. unless he doesn't believe the measurables exist, or that these things are not measurable.

and most of the metrics you mentioned are largely subjective.

Wer can objectively figure who has the most record sales or longest career, or some other qaunative standard, but "Greatest" is inherently subjective.




>i think you can have these discussions and maintain
>objectivity when there is an understood set of measurables,
>which there is...cuz, you know that's actually the definition
>of objective.
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>which is what was lost on Hitoriki, apparently. unless he
>doesn't believe the measurables exist, or that these things
>are not measurable.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

for instance, saying a certain song is classic is subjective, because some people will think said song is, and some won't.

however, as a collective culture, i think it's pretty easy for us to say what artist's songs are actually classic.

there's subjectivity in it, but it can be measured (we could literally take a poll).

anyways, whatever. we'll be talking in circles all day LOL.

I hear Phonte's name mentioned but as a person from VA, I have a hard time seeing VA/NYC rappers as Southern rappers in the vein of Memphis, Houston, New Orleans, ATL rappers.

I always think of Midatlantic rappers having the best of both words Nothern Lyricism and Southern Musicality but MidAtlantic rappers just doesn't have the same ring to it though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

so, yeah, i agree with you.

but at the same time, no one considers NC "the north" despite the name,d o they? so, i guess it is part of "the south"?

hmmm.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

As far as Phonte, Greensboro and Durham are college towns right near those highways, and there’s lots of transplants, so lots of different musical influences for those reasons IMO.

I lived there in middle school, I remember rappers from every region being popular - Biggie, Kast, Scarface, Warren G….everything.

Its either Stacks or Face.


Maybe Wayne based on impact.


Its not KRIT. Its not fucking Cee Lo. Or TI.


I know we all love him, but its not Tay.


Definitely not the cop/nra-loving, tap-dancing, fantasy-rapping Killer Mike. Fuck that clown. Might as well list Rick Ross.

Its not even Bun B.


or just embrace that this has become "who are some southern rappers you like"

as mentioned earlier, there's no real way that everyone will agree on to have a consensus.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

Andre 3K is amazing when he can actually be bothered to rap, but that happens about as often as Haley's comet comes around

I know people love Scarface, I never personally got it, I actually liked Willie Dee more than Scarface

In terms of longevity, influence (there was a GANG of young dudes who came out looking and sounding like Wayne) Impact, hits, etc I gotta go with Mr Carter.

There was that 2-3 year period where he was showing up on damn near EVERY song on the radio

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

>I know people love Scarface, I never personally got it, I
>actually liked Willie Dee more than Scarface
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@fakewilliamkatt

"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do!" - Olin Miller

I've heard relatively little of Scarface's music but I know that's a blasphemous statement but I stand behind it

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

I listen to the end of the second verse of this cut

https://youtu.be/N8zLX7n79Vs?si=dskmteH7IxpnuuQS

LOL

mug the whole time.

Who else was going to come out with a song saying "FUCK THAT DUDE WHO JUST GOT BEAT UP BY THE COPS!"?

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

actually happened just based on how oddly specific he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBeJ_QXiaUg

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

There you go…