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.Monkeynuts.
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Tue Aug-08-23 09:55 AM

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"I Will Never Understand White Americans"


          

theres a special election in ohio today.

for the 1st time in the states history...the republican majority legislature put a constitutional amendment on the ballot in *august* (where turnout would be expected to be much lower than november...and liberal college students still expected to be out of state). the amendment would increase the threshold for citizens to bring forth future constitutional amendments to a 60% majority (among other rule changes). they currently just need 50%+1 to pass.

republicans are rushing this through because a pro-choice amendment got approved for the ballot in november and his expected to pass by a significant majority of ohio voters but prolly not 60%.

the republican plan looks likely to backfire as ohio voters came out in early vote numbers larger than the midterms. most citizens recognize this as an attack on the abortion amendment in november and are fired up about the state republicans attack on their rights.

ohio is pretty damned red. trump won it in 2020 by 8 pts. repubs pretty much hold all of the statewide offices except for sherrod browns senate seat.

so in order for a strong majority of ohio voters to vote for something 'liberal'...it means a significant amount of republicans voted for it.

so a ton of republicans are going to vote against this republican backed amendment on the ballot today. and theyre going to vote for the pro-choice amendment in november. likely by similar margins. we saw this happen in kansas. and we see this happen a lot when dem/liberal policies are on the ballot individually.

now...this isnt some semantic or passive issue...like raising a sales tax or changing the requirement for liquor licenses. this is a visceral core issue etched into the identities of each party.

so a bunch of republicans are clearly against the republican party on this major issue. and they will go out and vote against their own party.

then...they will go out and vote for republican politicians who are doing the very things that these voters are voting against. those voters will empower them with the ability to write laws to assault this intrinsic value that they previously voted to uphold/enshrine. an intrinsic value that those lawmakers make central to their political identity and blatantly show that they are against.

somebody please explain this behavior to me in a way that seems logical or reasonable. it just never made sense to me.

  

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seems pretty obvious. They don’t like an individual bill
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Yea I would argue that it boils down to bigotry/racism.
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bigotry/racism... its the only common stitch presently
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This part though
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These people have been voting against their interests for generations
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they like to turn topic into isssues rather than dealing with actual iss...
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Most white Americans whole political ethos can be summed up as:
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Preach, Preacha!!!! © Kirk Franklin
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Points highly noted.
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try harder
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the measure failed.
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legsdiamond
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Tue Aug-08-23 11:06 AM

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1. "seems pretty obvious. They don’t like an individual bill"
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but they LOVE damn near everything else about the GOP or they like more than what the Dems are offering.

and some are just fucking robots

“I want to get rid of Obamacare even though a lot of my family is on it”

just cause it was Obama

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Brew
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Tue Aug-08-23 11:10 AM

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2. "Yea I would argue that it boils down to bigotry/racism."
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Both explicit or implicit.

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LAbeathustla
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Tue Aug-08-23 12:54 PM

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5. "bigotry/racism... its the only common stitch presently"
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they got no policies, they got nothing but that..they used to "kinda" stand for something..small govt, family values yadda yadda yadda..but Obama getting elected threw em into craccer panic mode...so much they elected a certified criminal..the poster boy for white privilege..now its cism or nothing...eliminating Black history alla dat..

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Stadiq
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Tue Aug-08-23 09:21 PM

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10. "This part though"
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>more than what the Dems are offering.
>

I’m nervous that Dems aren’t learning from
results like this.

Stop trying to make “Bidenomics” a thing
and go all in on fascist gop, abortion,
Trump = gop, corrupt court, etc.

It isn’t 1994 and there is no median voter
waiting to be convinced that low unemployment
is a reason to vote Dem, despite inflation etc.

Go all in on the culture war.

  

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Hitokiri
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Tue Aug-08-23 11:49 AM

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3. "These people have been voting against their interests for generations"
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because shit like abortion or voting rights or gender neutral bathrooms are more important to them than their own access to healthcare, or fair wages, or their very fucking lives.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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tariqhu
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Tue Aug-08-23 03:47 PM

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7. "they like to turn topic into isssues rather than dealing with actual iss..."
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like getting people to vote against wokeness, something they can't even define.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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navajo joe
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Tue Aug-08-23 12:09 PM

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4. "Most white Americans whole political ethos can be summed up as:"
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Hustling backwards

It's the actual identity politics they accuse us of.

For recent works on this see: Jonathan Metzl's "Dying of Whiteness" and McGhee's "The Sum of Us"

They have always and will continue to work against their own self-interest and make their lives worse if they think it'll hurt people they view as less the most and if it will further solidify the racial/class/gender hierarchies that they are so desperate to benefit from.

They want to others to suffer from Republican policies while thinking they can benefit from them. Barring that they're willing to suffer too as long as black, brown, gay, trans, and poor people suffer more.


Whiteness is the altar upon which they'll sacrifice everything they claim to hold dear (their families, their communities, democracy, christianity, the future of this very planet).

It's the poison pill they can't stop taking.

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

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Doomdata21
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Tue Aug-08-23 01:08 PM

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6. "Preach, Preacha!!!! © Kirk Franklin"
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n/m

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-Be selfless and the world will be a better place.

  

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3CardMolly
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Tue Aug-08-23 10:36 PM

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11. "Points highly noted."
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They are the if ‘Cut off your nose, lips and pluck out your eyes to spite your face’ was a group of people.

  

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Tue Aug-08-23 06:06 PM

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8. "try harder"
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PROMO
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9. "the measure failed."
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Tue Aug-08-23 07:01 PM by PROMO

  

          

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