We're not attempting to control the debate/dialogue about abortion, but please stop disrupting ** Confession Wednesday **

Speak your mind here respectfully.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

is part of the origin story which i've been oblivious to.
jane roe's (Norma McCorvey) part specifically.
& how a racialized reaction prompted the energy behind the movement for that 1973 decision.
starting with the admitted lie she told about being gang-raped--by black men--prompting her need for the abortion.

I wonder what's happened to the child.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2013/02/norma-mccorvey-roe-v-wade-abortion

>starting with the admitted lie she told about being
>gang-raped--by black men--prompting her need for the
>abortion.

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the fact remains that the steam generated at the origin of this specific court case, to eventually catapult it up to the supreme court, was the outrage of a white woman being forced to give birth to a child, who was the result of a fictitious black gang rape.

Citing:

"A decade after Roe, McCorvey ... began speaking to the media about once a year, usually around the anniversary of Roe. She told the press that she had become pregnant after being raped ... Then, in 1987, she acknowledged in a television interview with columnist Carl Rowan that the claim of rape had been completely untrue ... McCorvey’s lawyers had never mentioned an alleged rape in court, and it formed no part of their legal argument ... But pro-life activists now asserted that the Roe ruling hinged on a falsehood."

that doesn't mean i/you/anyone can't read between the lines.

the legal team not overtly claiming a lie, about who her rapists were, in court does not refute how she gained interest and attention which took it to court in the first place.

unlike public opinion, court decisions are supposed to based on laws, not immorality.
What's more immoral than an abortion...a bastard nigger baby being forced to bear.

>What's more immoral than an abortion...a bastard nigger baby
>being forced to bear.
>
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a disgusting play

the part where you believe the thing because it fits what you already think not because the facts line up

is the part that's hard for some people to let go of.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>starting with the admitted lie she told about being
>gang-raped--by black men--prompting her need for the
>abortion.
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In 1969, at the age of 21, McCorvey became pregnant a third time and returned to Dallas. According to McCorvey, friends advised her that she should assert falsely that she had been raped by a group of black men and that she could thereby obtain a legal abortion under Texas's law which prohibited abortion; sources differ over whether the Texas law had such a rape exception. Due to lack of police evidence or documentation, the scheme was not successful and McCorvey would later admit the situation was a fabrication. She attempted to obtain an illegal abortion, but the respective clinics had been closed down by authorities.<[br />

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>We're not attempting to control the debate/dialogue

If we skip those pesky nuances, you are.

>please stop disrupting **Confession Wednesday**

SMH. You went and put it all into context.

..we're not attempting to control debate/dialogue here.

We're allowing spirited convo in all directions as long as the lines of respect are maintained.

Its really simple:

** Confession Wednesday ** is a designated tradition where people feel free to post their thoughts (respectfully). Once that line is crossed, we're shutting it down.

I've done what I can to find a compromise (including pruning the post), but it appears those efforts aren't appreciated.


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..and miles to go before i sleep...

>..we're not attempting to control debate/dialogue here.
>
>We're allowing spirited convo in all directions as long as the
>lines of respect are maintained.
>
>Its really simple:
>
>** Confession Wednesday ** is a designated tradition where
>people feel free to post their thoughts (respectfully). Once
>that line is crossed, we're shutting it down.
>
>I've done what I can to find a compromise (including pruning
>the post), but it appears those efforts aren't appreciated.
>
>
>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
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>
>..and miles to go before i sleep...

I brought up abortion in CW because I had an opinion that that I don't think you can say openly so it was my confession. Didn't want to take over the post and have that debate...which I should have seen coming.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

People have been given advice, debating, and such in CW since forever. You posted something that you were dealing with and natural community conversations were started.


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“It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

..you are allowed to voice an unpopular opinion in CW, and people are allowed to agree/disagree (respectfully).

What's not allowed is the ridiculous petty bs that eventually derails the entire point of CW .

I made THIS post so that people could speak freely/respectfully about abortion and stop derailing other threads.

Yet, people STILL complain... LOL.




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..and miles to go before i sleep...

Not every confession will spark a bunch of gladhanding, pats on the back or kudos. Sometimes it's good to let the conversation become a point of understanding as it evolves. Locking up a post just because it's not going your way is the opposite of leadership.
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..yours or anyone else's.

There's a time & place for everything (that's why I made this post).

Feel free to share your opinion on abortion in this post (respectfully).




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..and miles to go before i sleep...

You shutting a post done is just as bad. Other people had topics that they wanted to talk about.

For YEARS, CW has been an outlet for folks to vent about hard, funny, trivial, etc. things. You were wrong my guy. But since you've never relinquished the Ultimat Power as a Mod you refuse to see the other side of your actions and the poor unintended consequence.


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..you can run your bs with everyone else, but it doesn't fly with me.

You know the rules.

Move along.


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..and miles to go before i sleep...

>..you can run your bs with everyone else, but it doesn't fly
>with me.
>

And there is no BS, bro. No need to be on guard either. This is just a conversation between two grown men that have different perspectives. You never like to be challenged on anything when it comes to your actions as a Mod. Normally You do a pretty good job as a Mod but sometimes you're wrong and you overstep. It happens in life. We all make mistakes. Sometimes growing as a leader happens within the mistake or the challenge. But you'd soon ban me again for 30 days (which you do repeatedly) rather than reflect on a different perspective. For years. it's all your way or nothing at all. And to personalize the matter, I don't disrespect you, I just call you out on things when you have refused to respect others. You've called me you for the same. But do you bro. I'm not the one that has to look in that mirror.


>You know the rules.
>

Yes, I do and so do you.


>Move along.
>

Moving. Peace and Love





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anyone who isnt in favor of a woman's choice to terminate is a shitty human being

it's pretty cut and dry

>RE: what is there to debate or discuss?
>anyone who isnt in favor of a woman's choice to terminate is
>a shitty human being
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>it's pretty cut and dry

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It's a position that you can only take if you don't want to give any thought to whether or not there is another life involved.

If you ignore whether or not there is another life involved, yeah it's a super simple issue.

I am a pro-choice person and even I can see that's a terrible non-productive position to take.

But keep arguing this way, the way that's its been argued for the last 80 years, and then wonder why we can't seem to find resolution on the issue and states continue to pass restrictive laws on abortion.

You are part of the problem and can't even see it. SMH.






>anyone who isnt in favor of a woman's choice to terminate is
>a shitty human being
>
>it's pretty cut and dry


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>But keep arguing this way, the way that's its been argued for
>the last 80 years, and then wonder why we can't seem to find
>resolution on the issue and states continue to pass
>restrictive laws on abortion.

This is not how this argument has gone. One side has historically been allowed to be "passionate" and "colorful" in their arguments, even when it leads to the occasional madman gunning down a bunch of women or doctors at a clinic. The other has to conduct itself in a "civil and dignified" manner, usually allowed to argue for the hypothetical legal right to abortion, while making it clear that it's a terrible tragedy that any woman would even want this to begin with.

"Safe, legal and rare" (which is a nice fantasy that doesn't mesh with the real world at all)
"Nobody is pro abortion" (not true)

There isn't even an equivalent of these common phrases you hear from pro-choice politicians for the other side. Because they've never needed one.

There's a fine line between meeting people where they are and just ceding all ground to them, and it's admittedly pretty difficult to tell where one stops and the other begins sometimes (on any issue.) But states aren't passing these laws because pro-choice folks aren't showing them enough respect, and the implication that they are is playing on their field. Alabama legislators weren't huddling in terror from being called shitty people and this was their only recourse.

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It's the current standard that is currently under attack. It's the standard that 80% - 90% of people agree with.

The problem I am trying to articulate is that many of the modern activists aren't advocating for this standard.

Ever pro-choice person in this post is advocating for abortion as a woman's right that should not be questioned or restricted and have been unwilling to acknowledge that maybe, at some point, another life (the baby's to be clear) is involved and at some point in the pregnancy you should give that life some consideration. To question these basic tenants make you are a terrible person for doing so. If that is the position of the pro-choice, of course, the opposition has no problem being called shitty people by their opposition.


see from a rhetorical stand

>>But keep arguing this way, the way that's its been argued
>for
>>the last 80 years, and then wonder why we can't seem to find
>>resolution on the issue and states continue to pass
>>restrictive laws on abortion.
>
>This is not how this argument has gone. One side has
>historically been allowed to be "passionate" and "colorful" in
>their arguments, even when it leads to the occasional madman
>gunning down a bunch of women or doctors at a clinic. The
>other has to conduct itself in a "civil and dignified" manner,
>usually allowed to argue for the hypothetical legal right to
>abortion, while making it clear that it's a terrible tragedy
>that any woman would even want this to begin with.
>
>"Safe, legal and rare" (which is a nice fantasy that doesn't
>mesh with the real world at all)
>"Nobody is pro abortion" (not true)
>
>There isn't even an equivalent of these common phrases you
>hear from pro-choice politicians for the other side. Because
>they've never needed one.
>
>There's a fine line between meeting people where they are and
>just ceding all ground to them, and it's admittedly pretty
>difficult to tell where one stops and the other begins
>sometimes (on any issue.) But states aren't passing these laws
>because pro-choice folks aren't showing them enough respect,
>and the implication that they are is playing on their field.
>Alabama legislators weren't huddling in terror from being
>called shitty people and this was their only recourse.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Ever pro-choice person in this post is advocating for abortion
>as a woman's right that should not be questioned or restricted
>and have been unwilling to acknowledge that maybe, at some
>point, another life (the baby's to be clear) is involved and
>at some point in the pregnancy you should give that life some
>consideration. To question these basic tenants make you are
>a terrible person for doing so. If that is the position of
>the pro-choice, of course, the opposition has no problem being
>called shitty people by their opposition.

also you.

who is pregnant

is a person who should have any say in what happens with that pregnancy.


think about that for a second.

to claim that the problem with the abortion discussion is how someone is talking about it on a message board.

I keep saying I won't be surprised but the depths some people will go is just...wow

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

... and the many iterations of that same bullshit.

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so you just seem simply to not have the ability to keep up with my more nuanced thinking and you reduce complex ideas to the dumb shit you just wrote here.

I would be a shitty person if what you just wrote in any way characterizes my opinion, but it doesn't.

Either you are trolling or aren't bright, likely some combination of both.

And you are funny looking...and I am pretty sure you need a haircut and got some food particles in your unkemp beard right now.

There, you got the attention you've been begging for from me. Happy now?

Have a good holiday weekend.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

let women make whatever decision they want regarding their bodies, end of the story

too hard? OK.





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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

you said you were pro choice, good job. what is there left to discuss and why is there anything else to discuss?

I urge anyone on both sides of the argument to watch this video and to keep an open mind. Like really listen to the entire video without any preconceived judgments and you will at least understand the Pro-Life position a bit more beyond talking points, signs, marches, and shouting matches.,

https://youtu.be/StUZsxyKrlU


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Away from the pulpit and the classroom, Voddie is also a voice actor, lending his voice to films like George Washington Carver: An Uncommon Way, and the 2017 national theatrical release, Genesis: Paradice Lost, and an accomplished Martial Artist. He took up Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in 2012 as an avenue of self-defence training, personal fitness, and outreach. However, he began competing and found both a passion and a talent. He has won numerous tournaments and titles, including winning the 2014 Pan American Championship in his division.

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“It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

In the womb, or never be conceived"

-Hosea 9:10

"Samaria is held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, And their women with child ripped open.

More Hosea, 13:16.

How about the gem of gems, Numbers 5:11-22?


11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),

14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.

19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—

21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it."

That, plus Exodus 21:22-25, is a doozy.

And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Yeah.

outside of a church or other Christian community.

Besides the bible not even discussing abortion directly (it doesn't right?), what's the point of quoting scripture to Non-Christians?




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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It doesn't address a woman choosing to abort a fetus, no.

But it does say a lot about how "pro life" God is, and this includes unborns.

It also allows for a monogamy tests that results in an induced miscarriage, but at the father's demands if he thinks she cheated.

And there's a fair amount of sanctioned baby killing.

The bible is a horrible pro life foundation.

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teachings. But my primary moral directive is as simple as treat others as you would want to be treated, which is a universal moral concept found across religions.

https://i2.wp.com/kidworldcitizen.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/52014Golden_Rule_Poster.jpg

But you understand it's problematic to make the bible the basis for law in a nation that is composed of Christians and Non-Chrisitans alike.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>But you understand it's problematic to make the bible the
>basis for law in a nation that is composed of Christians and
>Non-Chrisitans alike.

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....ewww... at the implication that the only moral compass is the bible. Sheesh.

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I don't need to be a woman to understand that abortion is murder.


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responded that way.
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murders require investigations.

you can't have it both ways.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

all a matter of degree. i mean, there are miscarriages all the time, at least a fifth of pregnancies don't come to term. is there a funeral? of course not.

i also like that these clowns push the idea that "murder is illegal," when we have exceptions up the ass where you can kill someone and not be convicted of "murder" or, in other cases, of any crime at all.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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or something.

i dunno i only skimmed that post

May.

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that's not a compromise we should ever accept. it takes months for a rape trial to go from start to finish. a lot of women don't or won't report their rape and while i wish they would, i certainly don't think the fucking STATE should obligate them to. it's no one's goddamn business and putting a woman through what amounts to a TRIAL sandwiched between being violated and having an abortion--both traumatic events, to make an understatement--is fucking cruel.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Babies don't ask to be created, they just are by the Lord God (for the confused). And even a baby that has been created out of rap or incest is still a living soul and can be a productive world-changing human being.



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>Babies don't ask to be created, they just are. And even a
>baby that has been created out of rap or incest

Created as part of God's plan, actually.

Right?

Or is it free will?

Because the two are very much at odds.

I know what I meant regarding my seatbelt law response. But what do you mean?
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it's really all anyone needs to know

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Total fucking madness.

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I wanted to know a bit more about the thought process.
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