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Brew
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"This McGahn shit should be the final straw for impeachment."


          

And by "final" I mean, like, the 1,500th final fucking straw.

If dem "leadership" stays the course (whatever the fuck course they consider themselves to actually be on) after this we can basically kiss the US experiment goodbye.

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impeachment is pointless....from what I understand
May 21st 2019
1
But that's not the point.
May 21st 2019
7
thats not the only alternative
May 21st 2019
11
      We got a long way to go between now and then.
May 21st 2019
12
      oooh
May 21st 2019
28
           No, I don't think that. That's not what I said.
May 21st 2019
29
                you're very worried about the prospect
May 21st 2019
32
                     OK that's fine - no need to be super dismissive though.
May 21st 2019
34
                     what if he wins in 2020?
May 21st 2019
44
                          Good question.
May 21st 2019
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                               Right. Not to mention
May 21st 2019
53
                                    this is not my position whatsoever
May 22nd 2019
54
                                         But what is the precedent for that ? The basis for this position ?
May 22nd 2019
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                                         What if he wins 2020
May 22nd 2019
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                                              then we're probly all fucked
May 22nd 2019
73
      Isn't that like saying if he gets reelected, he's not guilty?
May 21st 2019
30
           recognizing that your hands may be tied
May 21st 2019
33
           And in the meantime the country suffers from unprecedented ...
May 21st 2019
35
           But I'm not so sure it is a better strategy
May 21st 2019
36
                Right.
May 21st 2019
37
                its an awful strategy
May 21st 2019
46
                     Preach.
May 21st 2019
49
                     Nothing in here I disagree with
May 22nd 2019
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           Impeachment is political. So yes...re-election=not guilty
May 22nd 2019
55
                Non impeachment is also political
May 22nd 2019
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                100
May 22nd 2019
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                There’s a commercial out right now where the theme is “you wouldn’...
May 22nd 2019
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                     Yea man.
May 22nd 2019
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                But what are the consequences of impeachment?
May 22nd 2019
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                     You get there when you get there
May 22nd 2019
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                     Man you respond too fast haha.
May 22nd 2019
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                     I don’t care how the people feel. I care how they act.
May 22nd 2019
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                     Damn right. The fact they won't even start an INQUIRY is fucked.
May 22nd 2019
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                     RE: But what are the consequences of impeachment?
May 22nd 2019
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                Stopping the bleeding.
May 22nd 2019
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Can I send you a podcast?
May 21st 2019
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Why Impeaching Trump Is ‘Worth It’
May 21st 2019
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"he's not going to be impeached"
May 21st 2019
2
What McGhan shit?
May 21st 2019
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Former WH Counsel
May 21st 2019
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I called my rep this morning.
May 21st 2019
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I fucking hear you. Probably gonna do the same later.
May 21st 2019
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agreed
May 21st 2019
14
I mean he should have been impeached after he fired sally yates
May 21st 2019
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i think it actually has a chance of happening now
May 21st 2019
9
I kinda do too.
May 21st 2019
10
It’s not happening.
May 21st 2019
13
There is no evidence to believe this.
May 21st 2019
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The scales are tipping slowly.
May 21st 2019
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      K
May 21st 2019
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           Everything OK man ?!
May 21st 2019
24
                OKP. https://thebulwark.com/a-nation-of-fake-lawyers/
May 21st 2019
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                     Uhh cool story. Not really sure what it has to do w/the discussion ..
May 21st 2019
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I went on record in the "Barr Press Conference" post that
May 21st 2019
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Will you live until August?
May 21st 2019
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Hurricane Maria made landfall in Sep of 2017
May 21st 2019
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Hurricane Harvey made landfall in September 2018
May 21st 2019
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Its not happening
May 23rd 2019
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i have no idea how this all ends
May 21st 2019
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Yea this is exactly what I'm saying in post 12.
May 21st 2019
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Willing? We have no power.
May 21st 2019
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      You know what I meant.
May 21st 2019
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imo, these things are moving slowly but surely
May 21st 2019
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china trade war - study says average family loses over 2 grand
May 21st 2019
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Right...so why the delay? Trump was wrong about Times Square
May 21st 2019
45
Habitual line stepper
May 21st 2019
31
Man I fuzzed around and forget elections are NEXT year
May 21st 2019
39
Impeachimg Trump is to impeach 54% or so of America
May 21st 2019
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RE: Impeachimg Trump is to impeach 54% or so of America
May 21st 2019
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You just made that number up.
May 21st 2019
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LOL I saw that and was like "fuck he get that from" haha
May 21st 2019
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      I based it on the number of Americans who hold racist beliefs
May 22nd 2019
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           Oh it's definitely higher.
May 22nd 2019
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                I see that being akin to white women voting for Trump despite his commen...
May 22nd 2019
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That's not an argument against doing it
May 22nd 2019
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      It would perhaps do more harm than good at this moment in time
May 22nd 2019
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           What would be a better time ?
May 22nd 2019
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           RE: What would be a better time? When there is bi-partisan support.
May 22nd 2019
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                Word. Never gonna happen w/out public pressure. And we all know that.
May 22nd 2019
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                about the same amount of democrats support impeachment
May 22nd 2019
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                Surprised either are that low, to be honest haha.
May 22nd 2019
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                dog I'm disgusted and apalled
May 22nd 2019
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                     Man you nailed so many things lol.
May 22nd 2019
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                Let this China thing settle. Let the upcoming summer war and race issues...
May 23rd 2019
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           If not now . . .
May 23rd 2019
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                30+ years of this shit and folks are still confident in good faith ...
May 23rd 2019
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Impeachment will hurt the impeachers!
May 22nd 2019
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What if there's a lot more dirt to be uncovered?
May 23rd 2019
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Yea I'm sorta willing to concede that this may be the strategy as well.
May 23rd 2019
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if the end result is that significant revelations get pushed back
May 23rd 2019
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      Yea exactly. Timing is everything.
May 23rd 2019
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           We’ll confirm Garland after the election (c) America 2016
May 23rd 2019
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                They’ll hold them accountable for war crimes (c) y’all 2008
May 23rd 2019
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                     The Supreme Court will handle this (c) y’all 2001
May 23rd 2019
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                          I never said any of these things personally but - keep cooking man.
May 23rd 2019
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there always is.
May 23rd 2019
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      Word...
May 23rd 2019
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           ABSOLUTELY - best case scenario.
May 23rd 2019
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i went back and looked at the nixon and clinton scandals.
May 23rd 2019
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Yea this is what Stadiq and I have been yelling about haha.
May 23rd 2019
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dems still havent figured out that you need to wage a media war.
May 23rd 2019
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      Oh for sure.
May 23rd 2019
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Yes, Nixon is a far better parallel
May 23rd 2019
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      Yea I'm not either.
May 23rd 2019
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      hasn't her reasoning changed too?
May 23rd 2019
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      farily good primer on where Pelosi's head is at
May 23rd 2019
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           Those have all already been addressed in this thread.
May 23rd 2019
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                lol agree to disagree
May 23rd 2019
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                Well I think the main difference is the extensive damage he can ...
May 23rd 2019
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                     here's the thing though
May 23rd 2019
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                lol
May 23rd 2019
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      my biggest issue is the waffling, disjointedness, and lack of unity.
May 23rd 2019
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           I agree with all of that
May 23rd 2019
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damn justin amash is not backing down one bit.
May 23rd 2019
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Dems talked all that shit pre-2018 elections and now they scared...smh
May 23rd 2019
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mueller wants to testify in private.
May 24th 2019
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Deplorable.
May 24th 2019
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trump gives barr unilateral power to investigate intel agencies.
May 24th 2019
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I'm wondering what the line is for dems to do their fucking jobs.
May 24th 2019
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DNI statement
May 24th 2019
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FLUIDJ
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1. "impeachment is pointless....from what I understand"
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Tue May-21-19 11:06 AM by FLUIDJ

  

          

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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Brew
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7. "But that's not the point."
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Tue May-21-19 11:53 AM by Brew

          

Yes the senate will shoot it down. But the alternative is letting multiple crimes go w/impunity which sets an incredibly bad precedent. On top of the millions of bad precedents that have already been set.

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11. "thats not the only alternative"
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another alternative is voting him out then indicting the shit out of him

  

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12. "We got a long way to go between now and then."
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Tue May-21-19 12:05 PM by Brew

          

For starters, he cheated to win the first election and Congress/dems have spent 2 years shrugging and being mildly upset on Twitter about it. What makes you think that this election will be fair or that repugs/the Russians/etc. won't undermine this election as well ?

And not to be hyperbolic, but what does hyperbole even consist of in these times ... but who's to say that by the time the election rolls around repugs find a way around even *having* an election ?

Dems have done *shit* to stop the daily crimes being committed to this point in his presidency ... why would he stop now ?

Lastly you are a fool if you think he will ever be indicted, now or post-presidency (if there *is* a post presidency).

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28. "oooh"
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you think we're not even gonna have elections anymore
gotcha

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29. "No, I don't think that. That's not what I said."
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Tue May-21-19 02:00 PM by Brew

          

Lotta soft people in this post - damn.

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32. "you're very worried about the prospect"
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if that's where your head is at then we're not on the same level - which is fine, but im not gonna engage on some Chicken Little "sky is falling" ish.
And the truth is, i cant even blame you - but I'm not there with you.

  

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34. "OK that's fine - no need to be super dismissive though."
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Tue May-21-19 02:35 PM by Brew

          

Again, I didn't even say I *think* something like that is gonna happen. I said it was hyperbolic. "Very worried about the prospect" is quite a leap there sir. But that said, in 2ish years a ton of institutional norms have been torpedoed so IMO we have to keep in mind that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption so everything is on the table. I think your seemingly passive disposition about all of this is a big part of the overall problem. We *should* be angry about all of this bullshit. The sky *is* falling, in a lot of ways. I mean the man does nothing but golf and watch Fox News all day and he's about to start a war with Iran just cause #whatevs

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44. "what if he wins in 2020?"
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I don't think you've answered.


The window to at least impeach in the house is before 2020.


If they don't, and he wins, there will be nothing left to do.


And if the Dems won't impeach him now, what makes you think they will investigate a former President?

  

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48. "Good question."
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Zero precedent for that. Not that Bush/Cheney were up for impeachment but even those crooks got off with nothing.

And Nixon was pardoned.


>And if the Dems won't impeach him now, what makes you think
>they will investigate a former President?

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53. "Right. Not to mention"
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Tue May-21-19 09:52 PM by Stadiq

          

This idea that Dems shouldn’t impeach this mothefucker
as this shit is happening in real time because his base
will be fired up....but somehow indicting a former president
is a safe bet politically is some dishonest bullshit.

People are lying or not thinking it through.

Let’s say Dems win 2020. All these “hang on” folks
on impeachment are going to be for dragging a former
President to jail??

That won’t be a risk for 22? 24?

Does his base vanish if Dems win 2020?

Will the GOP suddenly be ‘normal’ if Dems win?

THATs when the “fever will break”???

Even if the Dems win big in 2020- they are fucked
because what the GOP has done to the courts.

Only way to fix that- to even talk about court packing-
is to call the GOP exactly what it is and start to make
the case that this has been a criminal and basically
illegitimate administration from the jump.

Otherwise anything Dems try to pass gets thrown out
in court.

And yeah his base will be furious. But where does
“Can’t fire up his base” end????



I can at least wrap my brain around why the GOP
is scared of trumps base- no one wants a primary.


But now Nancy and company are scared of them too?

How long will that fucking last?

As far as ‘moderates’....they are against impeachment,
but will be okay with a Dem admin “indicting the shit”
out of a former president???


And again, all of this assumes Dems actually win lol

Nah, Nancy needs to stop bullshittin




Zero precedent for that. Not that Bush/Cheney were up for
>impeachment but even those crooks got off with nothing.
>
>And Nixon was pardoned.
>
>
>>And if the Dems won't impeach him now, what makes you think
>>they will investigate a former President?
>

  

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54. "this is not my position whatsoever"
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>This idea that Dems shouldn’t impeach this mothefucker
>as this shit is happening in real time because his base
>will be fired up....but somehow indicting a former president
>is a safe bet politically is some dishonest bullshit.

it has nothing to do with his base or the political ramifications of impeachment.
im looking at what is most likely to yield results - what is most likely to actually PUNISH this piece of shit.
an impeachment is DOA in the senate. Its a dog and pony show to placate the left. Bringing him down via the judiciary when he is no longer protected by the presidency could actually put his ass in jail.

  

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58. "But what is the precedent for that ? The basis for this position ?"
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>Bringing him down via the judiciary when
>he is no longer protected by the presidency could actually put
>his ass in jail.

Literally this has never ever happened. I of course acknowledge that Trump himself and his crimes are unprecedented so there's that, but there have been criminal presidents in the past who left office and were either left alone altogether or pardoned.

So why would you have such faith that *that* is the best path ?

Nixon wasn't fully "impeached" but the pressure from impeachment *proceedings* and the discoveries from ongoing investigations eventually forced him to resign. So impeachment has positive precedent for criminal presidents. Waiting it out and letting the electorate do the work is unproven, especially considering we can't even really trust our elections anymore.

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70. "What if he wins 2020"
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Have you answered this?

  

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73. "then we're probly all fucked"
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30. "Isn't that like saying if he gets reelected, he's not guilty?"
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I mean, if you're going to totally punt the idea to the electorate and they choose to reelect him, how do you have the authority to do ANYTHING from 2021-25? You already gave him a free pass for the first four years.

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33. "recognizing that your hands may be tied"
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and that there may be a better strategy to hold him accountable
doesn't amount to giving him a free pass

impeachment with the state of congress right now is like using a spanking paddle on someone in a suit of armor. Whats the point?

  

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35. "And in the meantime the country suffers from unprecedented ..."
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... corruption and the destruction of democratic norms. A lot more is at stake than your typical presidency. And the reality is that impeachment proceedings and investigations are a huge unknown. But continuing on as we have been isn't unknown. We know they are gonna continue dodging subpoenas and breaking the law. And if they continue to go unchecked who knows what the endgame is.

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36. "But I'm not so sure it is a better strategy"
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Again, what if he wins reelection? And if you're going to say "then you can impeach him," why not now? Do you really think impeaching him will make him more likely to get reelected?

To say nothing of how it's a complete moral and ethical failure.

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Brew
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37. "Right."
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>To say nothing of how it's a complete moral and ethical
>failure.

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46. "its an awful strategy"
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In addition to being wrong, etc...it is bad strategy.

Dems look weak, indecisive, and like they don't really believe the things they say.

If they believe Trump obstructed and continues to obstruct AND they believe in equal branches of government...

Why won't they impeach?


Do they believe what they are saying?


I've heard "it would rally his base"...what makes anyone think they won't be hyped either way?


If anything, impeaching in the House and having it fail in the senate may help shine more light on winning the majority in the Senate.


And again, either way...is Nancy's message "obstruction, etc is wrong, as long as it doesn't fire up the other side"?

"As long as it doesn't cost a few blue dog seats"?




  

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49. "Preach."
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71. "Nothing in here I disagree with"
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55. "Impeachment is political. So yes...re-election=not guilty"
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In the sense that the electorate (who the House represents) does not want him removed from office.

There are no criminal repercussions for getting impeached. Impeachment doesn't lead to any sort of real justice.

This is the reason I'm puzzled by folks being so gung ho about impeachment. What will be the result of it?

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57. "Non impeachment is also political "
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Wed May-22-19 08:45 AM by MEAT

  

          

Not a single person in this thread is a lawyer or political scientist or polester. Yet everyone here is sureheaded about what folks should or shouldn’t do.

If your CEO is embezzling there needs to be jail time and legal consequences or else you end up with no real lessons or checks learned from Enron
If your company is perpetuating fraud on a grand scale it needs to be broken up and there need to be legal consequences or else you end up with Goldman Sachs and Freddie/Fannie folks still running thing
If you bypass congress perpetuate a war for political gain and then later are involved in other high crimes both political and war alike ... then you end with Henry Kissinger as an accepted member of society

At some point folks here and all over need to take off their thinking caps and just baseline right from wrong. In the real worlds we navigate there are inherent greys but our institutions should be black and white and if you have to pretzel logic your way into justifying action or inaction that says more about the action than it does you.

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60. "100"
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>At some point folks here and all over need to take off their
>thinking caps and just baseline right from wrong. In the real
>worlds we navigate there are inherent greys but our
>institutions should be black and white and if you have to
>pretzel logic your way into justifying action or inaction that
>says more about the action than it does you.

Right from wrong. That's really all there is to it.

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63. "There’s a commercial out right now where the theme is “you wouldn’..."
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Accept kind of ok” and then plays off the various themes
I don’t accept my representatives to not be above the board
Same way I don’t accept my grocery store
Or bank
Or car shop
Or doctor
I need absolute faith in the institutions of my life and I don’t have ANY in government
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67. "Yea man."
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>Accept kind of ok” and then plays off the various themes
>I don’t accept my representatives to not be above the board
>Same way I don’t accept my grocery store
>Or bank
>Or car shop
>Or doctor
>I need absolute faith in the institutions of my life and I
>don’t have ANY in government

I often hesitate to say "because it's the right thing to do" in these conversations because I know the type of responses that usually come from conservatives when we say that type of thing.

But really, back to basics, stripped down, it's the only answer that matters.

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62. "But what are the consequences of impeachment?"
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How is impeachment here going to make future presidents think twice? It is toothless. There is no jail time, probation, fines, etc given out after being impeached. You don't even lose your job if you have a compliant Senate. So what is the threat?

It seems to me the only consequence is a stain on a legacy or shame, which this president is incapable of feeling.

I think a mistake is confusing impeachment proceedings (political) with judicial proceedings (justice. i.e right vs wrong).

Impeachment is about serving the political wishes of the people. Answering the question of "do the people feel that this elected official has committed acts that should get him/her removed from their position".

There's no right or wrong there. It's just gauging the political winds. How do the people feel.
The Justice system "should" be the non political institution where right and wrong is determined

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64. "You get there when you get there"
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Impeachment inquiries are not impeachment
It’s an investigation. Mueller uncovered crimes of government and pointed to more
As an informed citizenry we have the right to that info. That’s our information.
Impeachment inquiries are our only avenue to get that
Whether that leads to impeachment or not is down the road but it does lead to a more informed citizenry.

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65. "Man you respond too fast haha. "
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I added something at the end. What are thoughts on that?

Glad we can go back and forth on this civilly

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66. "I don’t care how the people feel. I care how they act. "
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People need more direct information. And in absence of that they get politiainment
“How will this play” style bs. As if that matters to us
We watch politics like soaps and sports
As if it has no effect on our real life
So I don’t care how the people feel. I care what they know.

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69. "Damn right. The fact they won't even start an INQUIRY is fucked."
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>Impeachment inquiries are not impeachment
>It’s an investigation. Mueller uncovered crimes of
>government and pointed to more
>As an informed citizenry we have the right to that info.
>That’s our information.
>Impeachment inquiries are our only avenue to get that
>Whether that leads to impeachment or not is down the road but
>it does lead to a more informed citizenry.

They've wasted so much damn time.

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68. "RE: But what are the consequences of impeachment?"
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>How is impeachment here going to make future presidents think
>twice? It is toothless. There is no jail time, probation,
>fines, etc given out after being impeached. You don't even
>lose your job if you have a compliant Senate. So what is the
>threat?

The threat is the ongoing damage to pretty much everything and everyone in the country if this admin remains in power. Whether it damages him longterm or not is sort of irrelevant. The damage he is/they are doing to the country and the world needs to be stopped. There at least needs to be a heartfelt attempt. Otherwise what the fuck is the point of checks and balances.


>Impeachment is about serving the political wishes of the
>people. Answering the question of "do the people feel that
>this elected official has committed acts that should get
>him/her removed from their position".
>
>There's no right or wrong there. It's just gauging the
>political winds. How do the people feel.
>The Justice system "should" be the non political institution
>where right and wrong is determined

More people support impeachment than don't. 45% to 42% last I checked.

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59. "Stopping the bleeding."
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>This is the reason I'm puzzled by folks being so gung ho about
>impeachment. What will be the result of it?

Showing that as a country we're not as susceptible as we appear to be to bending over and taking it up the ass from a historically criminal and corrupt president. Getting this admin as far away from the WH as possible to stop the bleeding of all the institutions they're destroying to enrich themselves. Stopping the bleeding of all the global alliances that have been destroyed in just 2 years. Showing some backbone in the face of authoritarianism.

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16. "Can I send you a podcast?"
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18. "Why Impeaching Trump Is ‘Worth It’"
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Dems can't just sit on their hands
They have to at least start the process ahead of 20'

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/clinton-impeachment-republicans-trump.html

The impeachment of Bill Clinton backfired on Republicans.

It’s a sentiment repeated daily without question on cable news, in Congress and probably inside the White House.

But exactly how did impeachment backfire? With two decades of hindsight, it’s not clear the Republicans faced any lasting consequences — a perspective that should inform any Democrat considering whether to undertake the same effort against President Trump.

The case for why impeachment hurt the Republicans is straightforward. Most obviously, it didn’t work: President Clinton was not convicted and removed from office. In fact, in early 1999, at the height of the impeachment process, he was more popular than at any other time of his presidency.

Furthermore, in the fall of 1998, at the first opportunity for voters to express their feelings at the ballot box after the House voted to begin an impeachment inquiry, the Democrats picked up five seats in the House of Representatives, an embarrassment that drove Newt Gingrich from the speaker’s office.

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But consider what followed.

First, the Republicans went on to take or hold the White House in three of the next five presidential elections — including the 2016 race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

And while Democrats did gain a handful of House seats in midterm elections in 1998, the Republicans maintained control for eight more years, until disapproval of the Iraq war finally tipped Congress to the Democrats in 2006.

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On the Senate side in 1998, the Republicans maintained their 55-45 majority. With the exception of a 17-month window in 2002 and 2003, Republicans controlled the Senate until 2006. In short, the Republican wave of 1994 endured for nearly a decade after the failed impeachment.

It’s true that Mr. Clinton was not removed from office, but Republicans used the fact of his impeachment as a cudgel first against his vice president, Al Gore, and later against his wife. While its impact can’t be quantified, it sure didn’t help either in their election bids.

Finally, and most important, the very myth that the 1998 impeachment hurt Republicans protects them today, when pressure to move against Mr. Trump is met with concerns about the political fallout. Clearly, we need to reconsider that myth.

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Basically, a high crime committed by a Republican won’t be prosecuted because a Democrat was persecuted over a misdemeanor.

There are many reasons for Democrats to contemplate impeachment today that go beyond politics. Substantial evidence has already emerged showing that the president has abused his office to the detriment of the American public. That evidence deserves a thorough and transparent airing in Congress, arguably the only venue available for trying a sitting president.

Still, as pundits never tire of saying, impeachment is a political process, not a legal one — and the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and Senator Chuck Schumer are right to wonder whether it makes sense to seek impeachment, especially given the unlikelihood of enough Republicans breaking ranks in the Senate. On Monday, Ms. Pelosi said that, for now, Mr. Trump was “not worth” the cost of impeachment to the country.

But impeachment is worth it, politically, and not just because of what history shows us. If anything, Democrats are in an even better position than Republicans were in 1998 to benefit, or at worst not suffer, politically.

For one thing, 22 Republican senators are up for re-election in 2020, against just 12 Democrats. Especially if the public support for impeachment continues to grow, a Republican vote to acquit the president could tip at least a few vulnerable Republican seats.

Also, one reason people think the Republicans suffered for 1998 is that everyone knew, then and later, that it was a crassly political move — Mr. Clinton’s lapses, however you judge them, were personal, not the sort of “high crimes and misdemeanors” that impeachment is intended to address.

Most voters today, whether they support Mr. Trump or not, will probably see a potential impeachment against him differently. Especially as the evidence mounts, reasonable people will more and more conclude that the Democrats are doing their civic duty by pursuing impeachment (and those who disagree probably wouldn’t vote Democratic anyway).

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There is also a mounting political cost to not impeaching Mr. Trump. He will hail it as exoneration and he will go into the 2020 campaign under the banner “I Told You So,” declaring that for all their talk of removing him from office, Democrats had merely been playing politics for three years.

All this assumes that impeachment won’t happen. But the political case is so strong, and the evidence against Mr. Trump so persuasive, that however unlikely, it is not impossible that 20 Republican senators join the Democrats.

But perhaps the most persuasive political case for impeachment is the long view. Set aside what it would mean for the 2020 elections. Mr. Trump is a pernicious, divisive figure who is poisoning our politics, and hopes to do so for years to come. Should he lose in 2020, he has already laid the groundwork for an all-out assault against the media, the political establishment and the Democratic Party itself.

Politically, we — the country, not just the Democratic Party — cannot accept that risk. Impeachment might be the only remedy we have.

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2. ""he's not going to be impeached""
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said by a white guy *who is in the know* in my office. lol

  

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3. "What McGhan shit?"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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4. "Former WH Counsel"
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Jerry Nadler subpoenaed him to testify. He didn't show. The WH is claiming executive privilege, I think.

People expected him to be Trump's John Dean. Turns out he isn't.

  

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5. "I called my rep this morning. "
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I’m tired of having a full time job and then also a second full time job of staying civically engaged and vocal.

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8. "I fucking hear you. Probably gonna do the same later."
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14. "agreed"
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I called my Rep and Sanators, though both are Marco Rubio and Skelator Rick Scott.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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6. "I mean he should have been impeached after he fired sally yates"
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Right now he is on the verge of declaring the democrats seditious and he has already said he is going to ignore rulings from obama appointed judges and deny democrats any oversight. He basically declared civil war during the state of the union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

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9. "i think it actually has a chance of happening now"
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Nancy needs to get on with it.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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10. "I kinda do too."
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It seems like a lot of fence-sitters are starting to ring the bell. Not sure why it took this fucking long. Shit ton of damage has been done in the time between when it became necessary to explore impeachment (after winning the House) and now.

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13. "It’s not happening. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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15. "There is no evidence to believe this. "
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And if it’s your hope that it does happen your best bet is to vocalize that to your rep.
The most likely thing happening right now is that leadership is looking at polling data, not an existential crisis, and I’d ask each and every one of us in here ... how confident do you feel that the checks and balances are working and how confident do you feel that they will work and then act accordingly

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19. "The scales are tipping slowly."
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Justin Amash, Jamie Raskin, etc. ... folks who previously were either silent or were anti-impeachment are beginning to speak up. So there is *definitely* evidence that it could happen, however minor it may be.

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21. "K"
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24. "Everything OK man ?!"
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You seem upset.

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26. "OKP. https://thebulwark.com/a-nation-of-fake-lawyers/"
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https://thebulwark.com/a-nation-of-fake-lawyers/

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27. "Uhh cool story. Not really sure what it has to do w/the discussion .."
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... we were having but - do you.

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40. "I went on record in the "Barr Press Conference" post that "
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impeachment was going to happen, just based off how alot of people on the Left reacted to that whole situation.

The momentum for it is gathering steam and Pelosi will give in by August.

  

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41. "Will you live until August?"
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Or will Iran/unchecked white nationalism/rabid police state embolden by pardon war criminals/border security agents/attacks on power grids/hurricane season with a weak government take you out/Ebola & measles out breaks take you out/rising fuel prices take you out


No government is perfect. Some aren’t even good

But this government is an existential threat to everything you know.
Think of where you were last May. Does this feel better or worse?

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42. "Hurricane Maria made landfall in Sep of 2017"
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When did you find out the death toll?

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43. "Hurricane Harvey made landfall in September 2018"
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The recovery efforts are still “on going”

And my point isn’t that government will prevent hurricanes, it’s that currently the entire system of government the
ENTIRE SYSTEM OF US GOVERNMENT
is currently centered around keeping Donald Trump and Republicans in power in perpetuity while enriching themselves
And as long as impeachment is just a mumbling then no other work will be done. None.

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109. "Its not happening"
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17. "i have no idea how this all ends"
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but the idea of sitting back and waiting for an election a year and a half from now and expecting things to be completely normal and above board til then seems like a suckers bet.

i know bill maher caught flack for saying this a while ago...but im rooting for a significant economic downturn. we need something politically destablizing and consequential to blame on trump to derail this glide path towards authoritarianism.

this chain of ambiguous outcomes that are technically negative/damaging but can easily be interpreted/spun to fit their narrative aint gonna cut it.

  

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20. "Yea this is exactly what I'm saying in post 12."
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>but the idea of sitting back and waiting for an election a
>year and a half from now and expecting things to be completely
>normal and above board til then seems like a suckers bet.

It's wild that people are willing to just watch the world burn and wait for an election that we already know won't be fair or on the level. They did it once, and no one has done a SINGLE thing about it ... the fuck is stopping them ("them" being repugs and Russia, etc.) from doing it again, only this time with 4 more years of uninhibited planning ??


>i know bill maher caught flack for saying this a while
>ago...but im rooting for a significant economic downturn. we
>need something politically destablizing and consequential to
>blame on trump to derail this glide path towards
>authoritarianism.

Pretty fucked up that we have to think that way isn't it.


>this chain of ambiguous outcomes that are technically
>negative/damaging but can easily be interpreted/spun to fit
>their narrative aint gonna cut it.

Been happening for 3 years now and hasn't slowed them down.

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22. "Willing? We have no power. "
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If we did we would burn that shit down already.

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23. "imo, these things are moving slowly but surely"
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and may be too little too late. these political parties are not
moving fast enough with the times, highly inefficient, and display
extremely high-levels of incompetence so, it's only a matter of time
before this downturn is actualized.

>we
>need something politically destablizing and consequential to
>blame on trump to derail this glide path towards
>authoritarianism.
>

  

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38. "china trade war - study says average family loses over 2 grand"
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in the years to come. combined with new tax structure i think a downtown will be strongly felt across the US, pushing this fucker into more of a box.

  

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45. "Right...so why the delay? Trump was wrong about Times Square"
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No snark, I'm asking because you are always plugged in to more...establishment thinking for lack of a better word.

?

What would tip Nancy and her allies toward taking action??


He literally gives them a "fuck you and the constitution" public statement/message each week at this point.

They worried about rallying his base? They are going to be hyped regardless.


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31. "Habitual line stepper"
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I have no idea what the line should anymore considering I believe it was passed months ago.

But I agree with some on here saying that something needs to happen. I mean these tariffs are hurting some of his base. I don't think its enough though. It might change a few minds, but unless these supporters aren't shaken completely by something, it won't do shit.

They are being embolden by the abortion push, which I think will get more women out to vote, but this is right down the rights alley and that I feel is enough to keep them loyal.

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39. "Man I fuzzed around and forget elections are NEXT year"
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We got a whole nother year of this ish. Which means Dems can press for impeachment now and if it fails, voters will have forgotten and trump will do some new worst shit by next next november.


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47. "Impeachimg Trump is to impeach 54% or so of America"
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Would not be a wise move for the other side. Would also tank the economy possibly and or the us markets

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50. "RE: Impeachimg Trump is to impeach 54% or so of America"
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Huh? How so? What number are you using?

If trump has a strong hold of 54% of America let’s just
pack it in.

And again, impeachment hearings would shine even
more light on this shit.

  

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51. "You just made that number up. "
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56. "I based it on the number of Americans who hold racist beliefs"
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54% might be lower than what the real percentage is as it's been a while since I last looked into

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61. "Oh it's definitely higher."
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But even some of the racists are having trouble championing Trump right now. His approval ratings are in the toilet.

But yea - 54% is low as hell ha.

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74. "I see that being akin to white women voting for Trump despite his commen..."
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and rape allegations

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72. "That's not an argument against doing it"
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75. "It would perhaps do more harm than good at this moment in time"
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I agree that it should be on the table, but bi partisan in nature ideally and better timed

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76. "What would be a better time ?"
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Honest question. You talking like, when an election isn't on the line ?

Cause that's a mindset I get --- under normal political circumstances. Individual 1 is not your regular ass terrible republican. He's a wannabe despot who's taken very little time to demolish a ton of democratic norms and institutions, and is piling on daily. I really just don't think we can afford to play the traditional political "wait and see" game with this criminal admin.

What's interesting is that if America doesn't crumble under the weight of all this corruption, and if Individual 1 is taken down via the election, or impeachment, or assassination, or whatever ... one silver lining of this fucking mess is that he's exposed the inherent weaknesses of the checks and balances we've long assumed to have been unbreakable.

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77. "RE: What would be a better time? When there is bi-partisan support."
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"bi partisan in nature ideally and better timed"

That's what I'm taking from it AM's statement.

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79. "Word. Never gonna happen w/out public pressure. And we all know that."
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And the only way to make it happen if it's at all possible is to open up the inquiry. Otherwise repugs have absolutely no incentive to jump ship, on top of the fact that they have absolutely no desire to do so as we know.

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80. "about the same amount of democrats support impeachment"
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as those that support abortion.

right around 70% for each.
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imagine republicans going against 70% of their base because they dont have bipartisan support. yeah aight (c) blueface

  

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81. "Surprised either are that low, to be honest haha."
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Though I have a habit of underestimating just how centrist or actually-right-leaning a lot of "democrats" really are.

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82. "dog I'm disgusted and apalled"
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People in here are literally saying fairy tale shit like "bipartisan"

Its bad enough when spineless/brainless Dem leaders say stupid fairy tale shit like that.

Now we got just regular people on the net saying "it should be bipartisan"??

How in the unholy fuck do you pay close enough attention to post in threads like this, but still be clueless enough to think "bipartisan" is a thing?

The GOP has not been bipartisan since at least the 90s.

They impeached a popular president for lying about a blow job. And paid no significant political price for it.

In fact, "restoring integrity to the white house" helped dubya get close enough to steal the election. They changed the entire narrative of the Clinton presidency. (and this is not even coming from a Clinton fan)


Its gotten worse since. They stopped Obama in his tracks, stole a supreme court seat, embraced white nationalism, etc.


The fever isn't going to break (word to Obama). The fog isn't going to be lifted. No, they will not have an epiphany (thats word to Joe Biden).


This idea that Dems should wait for "bipartisan" on ANYTHING is completely fucking stupid at this point.



A lot of people don't seem to get the point of impeachment, either.

Don't impeach = look indecisive/weak at best, like you really don't believe he obstructed at worst. Send the message of "hey, we kind of think this President is obstructing justice, but we are too chicken shit to do anything about it. We are scared we might lose some seats or look like we are being mean to Republicans, so voters...please vote him out so we can move on as a country"

Or shit, its starting to look like Trump/GOP/Russia has some shit on the Dems. Are there some documents Nancy doesn't want out there?


The best case scenario if Dems don't impeach is Dems win, they move on "for unity", and Trump continues to be Trump- just not in office. No justice served.


The worse case is Trump wins, the GOP keeps the senate, gains seats the in house because it looks like Dems just harassed the Pres for no good reason- with not intent of doing anything with their findings,etc- and now its too late to even hold him accountable.




Impeach= It fails in the Senate, yes. BUT, it at least shows that Democrats believe what they say and are willing to follow through on the rule of law. That they honor the constitution- all that shit. That these investigations weren't/aren't just to harass the President.

Rally the Dem base, and remind everyone how important the Senate is.

Start the case of how far off the rails the GOP has gone. Start to build a case for undoing the shit Trump has done to the judiciary, etc. Parade all this shit out in hearings and remind the mythical moderates how terrible this guy is. Put pressure on the very, very few in the GOP who are at least willing to say something bad about Trump occasionally.


A lot of people seem to think that supporters of impeachment will end in conviction. We don't. Its about doing what is right, not looking weak, and beleiving it puts Dems in a stronger position.

Hell, didn't Nancy herself see record approval when she was actually fighting back on the shutdown? Wasn't the shutdown supposed to hurt Dems politically?

Wasn't Bart supposed to hurt Dems?

Wasn't the Mueller investigation supposed to hurt Dems?


None of the hurt them. Why would impeachment hurt them?


I don't think it would. I don't even think Dems think it would. I think Dems (and apparently some folks on here) think that they can still work with the GOP. They literally think there is an "epiphany" coming.

How on earth do they think that?


  

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83. "Man you nailed so many things lol."
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>People in here are literally saying fairy tale shit like
>"bipartisan"
>
>Its bad enough when spineless/brainless Dem leaders say stupid
>fairy tale shit like that.
>
>Now we got just regular people on the net saying "it should be
>bipartisan"??
>
>How in the unholy fuck do you pay close enough attention to
>post in threads like this, but still be clueless enough to
>think "bipartisan" is a thing?
>
>The GOP has not been bipartisan since at least the 90s.
>
>They impeached a popular president for lying about a blow job.
> And paid no significant political price for it.
>
>In fact, "restoring integrity to the white house" helped dubya
>get close enough to steal the election. They changed the
>entire narrative of the Clinton presidency. (and this is not
>even coming from a Clinton fan)
>
>
>Its gotten worse since. They stopped Obama in his tracks,
>stole a supreme court seat, embraced white nationalism, etc.
>
>
>
>The fever isn't going to break (word to Obama). The fog isn't
>going to be lifted. No, they will not have an epiphany (thats
>word to Joe Biden).
>
>
>This idea that Dems should wait for "bipartisan" on ANYTHING
>is completely fucking stupid at this point.

^^^ Man this shit should be printed and framed. It's that good and on point.


>A lot of people don't seem to get the point of impeachment,
>either.
>
>Don't impeach = look indecisive/weak at best, like you really
>don't believe he obstructed at worst. Send the message of
>"hey, we kind of think this President is obstructing justice,
>but we are too chicken shit to do anything about it. We are
>scared we might lose some seats or look like we are being mean
>to Republicans, so voters...please vote him out so we can move
>on as a country"
>
>Or shit, its starting to look like Trump/GOP/Russia has some
>shit on the Dems. Are there some documents Nancy doesn't want
>out there?

I've started thinking about exactly this, a ton recently. What does he have on these people that they're afraid of ?! It's really the only logical explanation I can think of at this point.


>The best case scenario if Dems don't impeach is Dems win, they
>move on "for unity", and Trump continues to be Trump- just not
>in office. No justice served.

And repugs. Not just Individual 1. This is another thing I've tried to change recently in the way I speak about these things. I-1 is a symptom of the larger disease of conservatism, which has only become more extremist since the Newt Gingrich era like you said ... but has always been a stain on humanity. These people are hopelessly racist, sexist, bigoted, hateful, violent, alpha male, piece of shit, corrupt creatures and they lead directly to Individual 1. There is a direct lineage. Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr./Cheney ... Individual 1. They paved the way.

And because Dems are spineless they never suffer for it. Around and around we go.


>The worse case is Trump wins, the GOP keeps the senate, gains
>seats the in house because it looks like Dems just harassed
>the Pres for no good reason- with not intent of doing anything
>with their findings,etc- and now its too late to even hold
>him accountable.
>
>
>
>
>Impeach= It fails in the Senate, yes. BUT, it at least shows
>that Democrats believe what they say and are willing to follow
>through on the rule of law. That they honor the constitution-
>all that shit. That these investigations weren't/aren't just
>to harass the President.
>
>Rally the Dem base, and remind everyone how important the
>Senate is.
>
>Start the case of how far off the rails the GOP has gone.
>Start to build a case for undoing the shit Trump has done to
>the judiciary, etc. Parade all this shit out in hearings and
>remind the mythical moderates how terrible this guy is. Put
>pressure on the very, very few in the GOP who are at least
>willing to say something bad about Trump occasionally.
>
>
>A lot of people seem to think that supporters of impeachment
>will end in conviction. We don't. Its about doing what is
>right, not looking weak, and beleiving it puts Dems in a
>stronger position.
>
>Hell, didn't Nancy herself see record approval when she was
>actually fighting back on the shutdown? Wasn't the shutdown
>supposed to hurt Dems politically?
>
>Wasn't Bart supposed to hurt Dems?
>
>Wasn't the Mueller investigation supposed to hurt Dems?
>
>
>None of the hurt them. Why would impeachment hurt them?
>
>
>I don't think it would. I don't even think Dems think it
>would. I think Dems (and apparently some folks on here) think
>that they can still work with the GOP. They literally think
>there is an "epiphany" coming.
>
>How on earth do they think that?

All of this. Nothing to add. Lay all their crimes and transgressions out in the open, make them squirm to continue obstructing justice and covering all this bullshit up ... publicly, and see where the dominoes fall. At this point there's really nothing to lose, because we're already losing everything as the days go on and nothing is done about all of this.

Imagine if we were 2 months deep into an impeachment inquiry by now ? Imagine the damage that would have been done so far ? Perfect timing for 2020.

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115. "Let this China thing settle. Let the upcoming summer war and race issues..."
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Get the messaging together during that time to mitigate the oppositional spin that will portray Trump as an underdog. Then give it a shot in the Fall

Trump just released 17bil in aid for farmers. Those are his people lol among others

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84. "If not now . . ."
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>I agree that it should be on the table, but bi partisan in
>nature ideally and better timed

When?

And you're never going to get bipartisan support for this.

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85. "30+ years of this shit and folks are still confident in good faith ..."
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86. "What if there's a lot more dirt to be uncovered?"
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I'm willing to wait a little bit more for some of these investigations to wrap up in order to find the true depths of the corruption. Especially if any new stuff will be much more damaging.


  

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87. "Yea I'm sorta willing to concede that this may be the strategy as well."
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Especially following what Pelosi said yesterday. If they're just slow-rolling this thing to finalize investigations, get their ducks in a row, and maximize the explosiveness of the public hearings re: the corruption, then I'll be happy to have been loud and wrong about opening up the impeachment inquiry now.


> I'm willing to wait a little bit more for some of these
>investigations to wrap up in order to find the true depths of
>the corruption. Especially if any new stuff will be much more
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89. "if the end result is that significant revelations get pushed back"
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into a slow drip in the middle of a next (election) year...then its all worth it imo.

if we get a couple big dumps this year but then relative silence in the heat of the campaign (like the midterms)...that prolly wont be as effective with this binge/purge consumption of the news cycle we do now.

theres clearly a ton of stuff they want to keep hidden (they have no problem being blatant about it at this point). its just a matter of how dems get to it and how they distribute it to the public.

  

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91. "Yea exactly. Timing is everything."
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>RE: if the end result is that significant revelations get pushed back
>into a slow drip in the middle of a next (election)
>year...then its all worth it imo.
>
>if we get a couple big dumps this year but then relative
>silence in the heat of the campaign (like the midterms)...that
>prolly wont be as effective with this binge/purge consumption
>of the news cycle we do now.
>
>theres clearly a ton of stuff they want to keep hidden (they
>have no problem being blatant about it at this point). its
>just a matter of how dems get to it and how they distribute it
>to the public.

I tend to panic because every single day I-1 and this trash admin and repugs are doing something awful, ruining yet another (or multiple) social program for an oppressed group, sinking another global alliance, or whatever ... so then I'm like WTF ARE WE WAITING FOR but I guess to deal with top to bottom corruption you need to make sure that everything is timed properly to ensure maximum effectiveness.

The folks who are on the "just wait and vote him out in 2020" tip is what drives me crazy though.

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97. "I never said any of these things personally but - keep cooking man."
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Can't really figure you out lol. Your responses tend to be gross generalities and projections.

All I said was that IF this is the strategy and it works out that way, I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm screaming for no reason.

I never said that I am backing off my calls for immediate impeachment. Cause I'm not. Just saying if it ends up that they are playing it slow to make the release of information as effective as possible I'm willing to allow for that. I'll be happy to be proven wrong re: my screams for an immediate inquiry.

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88. "there always is."
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and with this administration? you can pretty much book it.

the monica lewinsky revelation didnt even come from the failed whitewater investigation. it came from an unrelated peripheral lawsuit from paula jones. her legal team wanted to show a pattern of women they thought clinton had affairs with. so they got linda tripp to record lewinsky then uncovered the existence of the blue dress and used that to prove clinton perjured himself.

with nixon...the scandal completely turned on its head when nixons deputy assistant revealed in a public senate inquiry hearing that he had installed a recording system in the white house on nixons orders. that resulted in the tapes being subpoenaed...nixon fighting the subpoena (sound familiar?)...the legal battle all the way up to the supreme court...and the rest is history.

if you keep digging...youre bound to find more politically damaging info (which should really be the dems goal right now).

  

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90. "Word..."
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And I'm just spitballing here...but tying Congressional Republicans to these obstruction charges won't hurt them one bit. They're seen as freedom fighters.

If these investigations can find some seriously damaging info that can't be explained away and tie that to the GOP, I'm hoping for a blue surge in 2020.

  

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92. "ABSOLUTELY - best case scenario."
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> And I'm just spitballing here...but tying Congressional
>Republicans to these obstruction charges won't hurt them one
>bit. They're seen as freedom fighters.
>
> If these investigations can find some seriously damaging
>info that can't be explained away and tie that to the GOP, I'm
>hoping for a blue surge in 2020.

And again if *this* is another primary reason that they're waiting so long to begin proceedings, then fucking keep it going. The more repugs we can wipe out of power positions and shame and ruin, the better off we'll all be.

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93. "i went back and looked at the nixon and clinton scandals."
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for some reason people use clinton as an omen for impeachment when nixon is obviously the closest parallel.

clinton was ultra popular with an approval regularly in the high 50s and 60s at that time in his term. basically the public was on clintons side because...first and foremost...the original whitewater investigation turned up zilch. so it was rightly seen as a witch hunt. the country was more misogynistic then and 'homewreckers' were viewed through the lens of their impact on the famous men whose lives they were 'ruining'. probing someones sexual/private life was still considered somewhat of an intrusion by a lot of people. and maybe most importantly...bill clinton still got a ton of shit done while he was being investigated (budget balance/surplus for 1st time in a generation, most jobs created in american history, etc).

trump struggles to stay in the low 40s...regularly dips into the 30s...and has *never* had the majority of americans on his side. the original investigation turned up a shit ton of evidence (even if not legally prosecutable). and he basically admitted in his rose garden stunt yesterday that he isnt even attempting to get shit done while under investigation.

basically the only thing tying their conditions together are the word impeachment.

nixon was also popular too coming off a landslide victory. he had a 69% approval (a much higher base than trump) when dems launched the senate watergate inquiry in feb 1973. a *week* after public hearings began in may...he fell to a new lowest approval of 45%. by july he was at 39%. the inquiry/hearings basically forced information out into the public that people couldnt escape/overlook and ultimately doomed him.

trump is already around where nixon was in the midst of the watergate inquiry.

and only 3% of americans have read the entire mueller report. 10% read some of it. 8% read just a little. 3% just mostly news about it. *75%* havent read it at all.
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1125057816992145414

its pretty clear what the path forward should be and which previous presidency should be used as the blueprint. that 75% is basically a political krispy kreme hot now light.

  

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98. "Yea this is what Stadiq and I have been yelling about haha."
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Bringing all this info to light will undoubtedly tip the scales IMO. To keep waiting is simply to allow more damage to be done.


>for some reason people use clinton as an omen for impeachment
>when nixon is obviously the closest parallel.
>
>clinton was ultra popular with an approval regularly in the
>high 50s and 60s at that time in his term. basically the
>public was on clintons side because...first and foremost...the
>original whitewater investigation turned up zilch. so it was
>rightly seen as a witch hunt. the country was more
>misogynistic then and 'homewreckers' were viewed through the
>lens of their impact on the famous men whose lives they were
>'ruining'. probing someones sexual/private life was still
>considered somewhat of an intrusion by a lot of people. and
>maybe most importantly...bill clinton still got a ton of shit
>done while he was being investigated (budget balance/surplus
>for 1st time in a generation, most jobs created in american
>history, etc).
>
>trump struggles to stay in the low 40s...regularly dips into
>the 30s...and has *never* had the majority of americans on his
>side. the original investigation turned up a shit ton of
>evidence (even if not legally prosecutable). and he basically
>admitted in his rose garden stunt yesterday that he isnt even
>attempting to get shit done while under investigation.
>
>basically the only thing tying their conditions together are
>the word impeachment.
>
>nixon was also popular too coming off a landslide victory. he
>had a 69% approval (a much higher base than trump) when dems
>launched the senate watergate inquiry in feb 1973. a *week*
>after public hearings began in may...he fell to a new lowest
>approval of 45%. by july he was at 39%. the inquiry/hearings
>basically forced information out into the public that people
>couldnt escape/overlook and ultimately doomed him.
>
>trump is already around where nixon was in the midst of the
>watergate inquiry.
>
>and only 3% of americans have read the entire mueller report.
>10% read some of it. 8% read just a little. 3% just mostly
>news about it. *75%* havent read it at all.
>https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1125057816992145414
>
>its pretty clear what the path forward should be and which
>previous presidency should be used as the blueprint. that 75%
>is basically a political krispy kreme hot now light.
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101. "dems still havent figured out that you need to wage a media war."
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they still think the media just reports the truth...and since the truth is on dems side then people will read/watch/comprehend it and everything is all good.

really the only reason that repubs are still a viable party is because they figure out a long time ago the power of controlling messaging/information...talk radio, fox news, social media algorithms, fake outrage, publicity stunts, etc. its central to their electoral fortunes.

  

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106. "Oh for sure."
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The headlines alone make my head spin.

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99. "Yes, Nixon is a far better parallel"
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Trump hasn't been anywhere approaching where Clinton was in his second term, but sure, impeachment will only make him super popular.

I'm not one of those people who reflexively blames Pelosi every time the Dems do something disappointing, but this one's on her and she should give up her position as Speaker if she's not up to the task.

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100. "Yea I'm not either."
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>I'm not one of those people who reflexively blames Pelosi
>every time the Dems do something disappointing, but this one's
>on her and she should give up her position as Speaker if she's
>not up to the task.

This is why I've given her half the benefit of the doubt above, regarding maybe playing the long game.

But I'm still strongly of the opinion that this needs to begin like 2 months ago.

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102. "hasn't her reasoning changed too?"
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Seems like its been

"it will tear the country apart"

"he's not worth it"

"he's daring us to"

"lets keep unearthing facts"

"it should be bi-parisan" LOL

"its drowning out our message" fucking double LOL. No shit. Says a lot about where people are and how poorly you communicate your message.

now its

"he wants to be acquitted in the senate"

Feel like I am forgetting a few.


I really don't think there is a long game. I honestly don't think she and/or her allies want to do it.

Like, if the plan was to drag it out a little so it times better with an election year...the story would stay at "we will follow the facts. Impeachment is very much on the table depending on the facts and if the president continues to block our investigations"

But it hasn't. The reasoning keeps changing.


I don't think they want to impeach him. And I don't think it has anything to do with potential blow back from voters. Like Reeq laid out, you can't even compare this situation to Clinton...and they impeached him anyway and it worked out just fine for them.

So the real scary shit is...WHY don't they want to impeach?

They have shit on her/them? Are they down/okay with things as they are?

Do they really think everything is okay? Like, does Dem leadership think all they have to do is win 2020 and everything goes back to normal?


Shit doesn't add up man.

The best case scenario is that Dem leadership really are stupid enough to think they can work with the other side when the "fever breaks" and to get the fever to break...they just need enough people to sign their "condemning" petition.





  

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104. "farily good primer on where Pelosi's head is at"
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/politics/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-donald-trump/index.html

  

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107. "Those have all already been addressed in this thread."
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More than once lol.

They're terrible reasons, considering the evidence and context.

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110. "lol agree to disagree"
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i think they're fair points

i also think the degree to which they're keeping the hammer down on all these investigations - whether or not they decide to move forward with "impeachment" proceedings is a distinction without a difference at this point IMO

  

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111. "Well I think the main difference is the extensive damage he can ..."
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>i think they're fair points
>
>i also think the degree to which they're keeping the hammer
>down on all these investigations - whether or not they decide
>to move forward with "impeachment" proceedings is a
>distinction without a difference at this point IMO

... continue to do the longer he remains in office seemingly uninhibited.

IMO daily public hearings, outing his myriad transgressions, will flip a lot of the indifferent or ignorant public, putting pressure on middle-of-the-road repugs who thus far have had no reason to turn on their golden goose. Meaning hopefully he'd be ousted or resign sooner, minimizing the continuous and long-lasting damage he's able to do to the country and world.

But, as I said in response to another post above ... your point is well taken re: the pressure and revelations of the numerous ongoing investigations eventually leading to the same endpoint. But again my primary concern is the damage the can be done in the meantime, whereas impeachment inquiry and hearings would likely minimize that.

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114. "here's the thing though"
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There are a lot of things that need to at least be "on the table" for Democrats if they win in 2020.

Everything from DC statehood to drastic voting reform to court packing etc.

There are a lot of things that at least need to be considered and explored in order to undo the damage that's been done and prevent the GOP - as it currently exists and has since the 90s- from getting this kind of power again.



It is clear that Dems will never do any of that. They aren't ready to really fight man. That's what this proves.


Think how chicken shit they are being about this. How is that same party going to even consider some of the stuff I mentioned?

They really do want to regain power so they can go back to making incremental changes and pass laws that will just be thrown out by the supreme court, and then we'll be right back to where we are now in 2024.

Etc.

That's what is most upsetting about this to me. The writing is on the wall on what they SHOULD do- with very little risk- and they won't do it.


Anyone in here still think this party will pursue M4A? Carbon taxing?

LOL I mean they are afraid to start impeachment proceedings on an unpopular pussy-grabbing white supremacist with low approval and you could argue a mandate to do so in the house.

over 70% of Dems want it and they won't do it.


I thought they had learned a little. I was coming around on Nancy after the shutdown fight. But...nah.


>But, as I said in response to another post above ... your
>point is well taken re: the pressure and revelations of the
>numerous ongoing investigations eventually leading to the same
>endpoint.

Nah, its a shitty point man don't go easy on him. It won't be the same endpoint, because per his own poll that he posted more people are supposedly thinking that Dems are going too far in their investigations.

So, if he is using that CNN article as proof not to impeach, it should also be proof to ease up on the investigations.


Not to mention, how many times can Trump say "fuck you" publicly to Dems investigating him before everyone just gets tired of it at best and starts to question Democrat motives at worst.


The biggest revelation of the investigations- because there is a lot of noise, and this is the biggest story- is that Trump keeps obstructing and the Dems wag their finger.

They are looking weaker and more disorganized by the day. Reeq isn't one to critique the party too much- even he is in here calling bullshit.

Oh, and they send emails asking folks to sign a petition LOL LOL


  

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113. "lol"
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Each and every one of these points is bullshit- and has been addressed in this thread like Brew said.

Specifically, the idea that more people are starting to think that Dems are going too far with investigations.....


I refuse to believe this isn't at least partially from Democrats looking like they are investigating for NOTHING.

If impeachment is off the table, why the fuck are they wasting everyone's time? What's the point? To harass the President?


Reading into that CNN poll either way- the results are from April and, of course, were landline calls. Oh, the same poll only shows his strong approval at 35%.

S0, there are issues with the very poll they are using to argue against impeachment.



And, LOL CNN LOL


And other points that have been made- GOP impeached a more popular president and won the whitehouse, yes he would be cleared in the Senate but thats not the point, Trump will play the victim either way (he's played the victim every step of the way- did Dems win the house anyway or nah?), the country is already divided- the issue is now dems are divided because Nancy is handling this terribly, there is literally NO REASON why they couldn't impeach and also communicate their message (healthcare).

To use her own words, they can't chew gum and walk at the same time?

Their message is getting drowned out by impeachment calls because they are handling this terribly and they are bad at messaging STILL.


This isn't a "agree to disagree" thing.


The only not terrible reason to not impeach is this idea that it might cost them in 2020...but there is no good argument to say that it would other than general fear mongering. Yet, there is plenty of evidence to say that it probably won't.

Again, everything from the Mueller investigation to the BART hearings to the shutdown did not hurt Dems politically- like several middle of the road folks thought they would.

Again, the GOP impeached a popular president for bullshit reasons and paid no price.

Again, more than 70% of Dems want impeachment. If they continue to be nutless, how many Dems say "fuck it" and lose engagement?


Again, you linked up a CNN (lol lol) article that just lists a few of the reasons Nancy has used to justify her inaction, and uses a problematic/old poll at that.


Nah, just call a spade a spade. Nancy is being Nancy, and Dems are being Dems. Thinking they can work with the other side. Always scared to look mean. No real plan. Waiting for the fever to break. Wanting to pretend there are norms to return to, or that things are mostly normal now. Bad at messaging, then blaming everyone else because no one is talking about their message.



  

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103. "my biggest issue is the waffling, disjointedness, and lack of unity."
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you cant present trump as the master of a historically monumental coverup and a threat to our very constitutional order...then say hes not worth impeaching.

then make the case that its politically fruitless because it wont go anywhere in the senate. but youre still dead set on passing largely ceremonial progressive bills out of the house that wont go anywhere in the senate.

we have the most corrupt and incompetent president in modern history and repubs (correctly) decided that the best political path forward is to stay galvanized behind him at all costs so they can at least solidify their base then gameplan out from there.

dems have a million different messages right now and are confusing/disorienting/outright gaslighting their own voters. whatever they decided to do...they should have done it as a team. youd be surprised how much public opinion you can sway your way when you look like you know what youre doing and believe in it.

they should approach everything the same way they approached the obamacare repeal effort, the shutdown, etc.

the best way to topple a strongman is to make people view you as stronger than him.

  

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105. "I agree with all of that"
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I think on some level, this generation of Dems is scarred by 1972 and 1984 and they believe this is the GOP's country and any Democrat should just hope for whatever Republicans will allow them to do. They're far too scared of alienating Republican voters (who already don't vote for Democrats) and even the fact that their party has won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections hasn't been able to get through to them.

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108. "damn justin amash is not backing down one bit."
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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1131605784742256640

dems should be out there in the media referring to amash every chance they get to prove that the investigation wasnt a witch hunt and repubs know it.

they shouldnt be talking about amash as a lone wolf thinker...but as thinking what every typical republican member of congress is thinking but too corrupt to come out and admit.

republicans always use rogue dems to undermine the stance of the larger party. i dont know why its so hard for dems to use the same tactics. shit repubs even used aoc quotes to praise trumps handling of the va.

trump and kevin mccarthy are basically out here saying amash was a rino who voted more with pelosi than repubs. dems should already have the percentage of time he votes with repubs/trump (several sites keep track of this) along with quotes of repubs singing his praises ready to roll out. i mean...he was a tea party hero and founding member of the freedom caucus lol. the way these folks are allowed to just tell blatant lies and etch-a-sketch recent history is wild.

  

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112. "Dems talked all that shit pre-2018 elections and now they scared...smh "
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116. "mueller wants to testify in private."
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https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1131739672101687296

trump is burning down the country and folks are still worried about optics, norms, and decorum. you would swear mueller hasnt already testified in front of congress over 50 times.

dude has been silent for 2 fucking years. i needs to come out and face the american people with his own description of his work.

a private hearing with a printed transcript would be a shit show. it would allow republicans to cherrypick statements and craft the prevailing narrative like theyve done the last 2 years.

nadlers weak ass looks/sounds like hes about to agree to those terms too. these fucking people man.



  

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117. "trump gives barr unilateral power to investigate intel agencies."
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and declassify any information he sees fit.
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1131873682459176960

completely sidestepping the investigator generals of each department.

the media will treat every barr leak like it isnt politically motivated theater from trumps top hatchetman too.

we still havent gotten the full mueller report but we damn sure will get the full barr report.

  

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Brew
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119. "I'm wondering what the line is for dems to do their fucking jobs."
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What would it take for them to actually do something ??

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120. "DNI statement "
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Fri May-24-19 02:57 PM by makaveli

  

          

https://twitter.com/tgjelten/status/1132010662878765057?s=21

Barr is a disgrace.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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