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Cam
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"Are you a member of any Associations or Unions?"


  

          

Specifically beyond the industry you work in?

With all of the juice police unions seemingly have, especially when it comes to the way they are protected in scenarios of unjust violence perpetrated against innocent people, couldn't new unions/associations be created in response.

For example:
An answer could be, a union for anyone who's been stopped unjustly by police. It would be a vehicle to unite for advocacy of better oversight legislation, or organizing a simple boycott of, or the lobbying of, specific insurance companies who underwrite the policies cities use to pay victim's families in civil cases, after a killer cop walks free on a criminal case. Then when those cities are stuck with the liability without insurance, I bet they'll then find ways for their police forces to end the unjust murder and harm.

  

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The ACLU is for that right? There may be more
Apr 22nd 2019
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Yeah there's the ACLU, the NAACP, the SPLC and the Urban League.
Apr 22nd 2019
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      militant street level organizing gives orgs like this more
Apr 23rd 2019
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      yes, the ILWU are exactly the example I'm attempting to describe
Apr 23rd 2019
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      I think a concentrated effort on specific issues could be effective
Apr 24th 2019
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i do solidarity work with black lives matter
Apr 23rd 2019
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That's excellent
Apr 23rd 2019
6

Atillah Moor
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1. "The ACLU is for that right? There may be more "
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It's just that we live in a world that prefers evil to good so groups like police unions will always have more power

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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Cam
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2. "Yeah there's the ACLU, the NAACP, the SPLC and the Urban League."
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But they clearly aren't enough.
You don't think an even more concentrated association, which could more broadly attract membership based on very specific solitary issues and only being about that would increase effectiveness?

I'm a member of multiple associations for work, all broadly representing the same interests, but some represent particular interests differently. They also all work in cooperation for advocacy efforts.
Using the Police Union example again, in the NYPD each rank has their own Union & Benevolent Society...beyond the FOP.

  

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rawsouthpaw
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4. "militant street level organizing gives orgs like this more"
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Tue Apr-23-19 10:39 AM by rawsouthpaw

  

          

ability to really move. true for politicians too.

here and there you find solidarity actions, and the power of the west coast longshore port workers often goes beyond their sector.

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/01/do-not-like-war-then-do-not-work-remembering-when-dockworkers-shut-down-the-ports-on-may-day_partner/

teachers unions are probably the most pervasive and effective means of organizing in some ways. the national parent unions are weak, and we need to change that.

  

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Cam
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5. "yes, the ILWU are exactly the example I'm attempting to describe"
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they're largely independent and to advance their issues have severed ties to their umbrella orgs.

  

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Atillah Moor
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7. "I think a concentrated effort on specific issues could be effective "
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Today's climate is what makes me believe it wouldn't be super effective. Americans in general are still too comfortable IMO. Seems like people really have to be under extreme pressure in order to get any real traction from coordinated group efforts

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rawsouthpaw
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3. "i do solidarity work with black lives matter"
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at least one of the founders is from LA and her localized resistance has won gains beyond the incredible victories of black lives matter.
for example our actions and their long time organizing prevented the opening of a massive new jail which instead will be a massive mental health facility.

1 year ago:
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-black-lives-matter-protests-jail-expansion-20170926-story.html

now:
http://justicelanow.org/we-made-history-but-the-fight-isnt-over/


WE MADE HISTORY. BUT THE FIGHT ISN’T OVER.
HOMENEWS WE MADE HISTORY. BUT THE FIGHT ISN’T OVER.

We made history. But the fight isn’t over.

Last week, Justice LA and many other organizations and community members turned out in force to actualize the vision of generations of organizing. A sea of orange shirts filled the room as a reminder to the Supervisors and to each other that people power makes the impossible possible. The women’s jail (Mira Loma) was rejected outright and the mental health jail plan (CCTF) was shifted to instead build a mental health treatment facility! Our victories are a culmination of nearly a decade of activism by advocates, community members, individuals and families impacted by incarceration. Through our collective work, we have not only stopped the jail expansion plan for LA County, we have shifted the entire paradigm away from a reliance on jails to health and human services.

  

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Cam
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6. "That's excellent"
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Blindly, I never think of BLM in that way. But I guess they're also a version of what I'm poorly describing.

As another example, the topic of abortion - prochoice.org is the National Abortion Federation's website. There are at least 10 other related associations fighting the same cause.

There are no associations specifically designed to overcome police violence. While there are plenty to protect violent police.

  

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