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"Poll question: Toxic Masculinity killed Nipsey Hussle"
Thu Apr-04-19 12:38 PM by naame

  

          

Inspired by a convo I had with my boy about this horrible essay. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/nipsey-hussle-s-murder-homophobia-toxic-black-masculinity-fuels-it-ncna990661

"Because the truth is toxic black masculinity kills. Rumors have circulated in the past few days that Nipsey Hussle was murdered by a man who felt “disrespected” in the rapper’s clothing store following a personal dispute. Masculinity didn’t protect him, and now he’s dead."

My friend is struggling with understanding the term "toxic masculinity" and although this article dives a bit into the topic the shoehorning of the "gay agenda" into this murder threw both of us off a bit. It's like the gay version of the Dr. Sebi shit.

Poll result (16 votes)
A hater not being able to control his emotions (4 votes)Vote
A man who reacts with violence to emotional triggers (12 votes)Vote
A man who uses the excuse of logic to mask his emotional reactions (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Absolutely.
Apr 04th 2019
1
The post should end here, but I fear it won't.
Apr 04th 2019
10
      it never does. either way, my reading will end here.
Apr 04th 2019
63
I hate that term and the use of it. .... for the record.
Apr 04th 2019
2
ditto
Apr 04th 2019
3
equivalent?
Apr 04th 2019
6
pick a different word if you like
Apr 04th 2019
12
      imagine being this fuckin dumb
Apr 04th 2019
23
      .....
Apr 04th 2019
40
           you should aim higher
Apr 04th 2019
59
                How are you a mod if you can’t follow the guidelines?
Apr 07th 2019
171
      RE: pick a different word if you like
Apr 04th 2019
58
^
Apr 04th 2019
13
Eh..
Apr 09th 2019
284
why wouldn't you? you don't know what it means
Apr 04th 2019
22
^Toxic Moderation
Apr 05th 2019
68
      I laughed
Apr 05th 2019
69
      LOL!
Apr 06th 2019
168
Yeah, its a passive-aggressive Flute for men-haters.
Apr 06th 2019
167
      This is such an irresponsible and ahistorical trope
Apr 09th 2019
285
RE: shoehorning of the "gay agenda" into this murder
Apr 04th 2019
4
Gang culture is a subculture
Apr 07th 2019
172
brings to mind this fiery poast....whew..............yikes............
Apr 04th 2019
5
eesh
Apr 05th 2019
93
I don’t like being around people who don’t value human life
Apr 04th 2019
7
and its all ego and fear
Apr 04th 2019
8
Why would anyone?
Apr 04th 2019
14
      Yeah, I listened to a few songs but that’s not my lane
Apr 04th 2019
16
yeah, no.
Apr 04th 2019
9
there will be poast.
Apr 04th 2019
11
Lol bruh
Apr 04th 2019
53
      Men and White People....
Apr 05th 2019
      Men and White People....
Apr 05th 2019
115
"Toxic Masculinity" is another in the long-line of BS propaganda terms
Apr 04th 2019
15
Basically
Apr 04th 2019
17
basically. n/m
Apr 04th 2019
19
who has ever asked you to debate anything?
Apr 04th 2019
21
I'm offended.
Apr 04th 2019
18
surprised he didnt tie-in Jussie
Apr 04th 2019
26
it is nakedly coon shit
Apr 04th 2019
65
yeah.
Apr 08th 2019
194
Any informed Black person will find it repulsive
Apr 09th 2019
236
Toxic masculinity as a subject is a red herring
Apr 04th 2019
20
I totally agree that this happening
Apr 07th 2019
188
      is it fair to ascribe these behaviors to masculinity?
Apr 11th 2019
338
there's nothing better than these losers
Apr 04th 2019
24
I am fine with blaming Toxic Mascalinity if we can agree their are multi...
Apr 04th 2019
25
it's pretty infrequent that something is just one thing
Apr 04th 2019
27
How about toxic femininity that has ruled the Black community for
Apr 04th 2019
41
      When have black women ever "ruled" the black community? nm
Apr 09th 2019
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           Ruled might be hyperbolic but it's not so called black men
Apr 13th 2019
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                ^^^powerless
Apr 13th 2019
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                     That reads as projection if it's posted without context
Apr 14th 2019
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Think pieces gonna think piece
Apr 04th 2019
28
Interesting...
Apr 04th 2019
29
Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail Masculinity?"
Apr 04th 2019
31
look at the widdle boy boy
Apr 04th 2019
32
RE: Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail ...
Apr 04th 2019
33
This isn't a thing
Apr 04th 2019
42
the same reason we say white supremacy instead of just supremacy
Apr 09th 2019
245
It's legit embarrassing too.
Apr 04th 2019
34
if you're going to stan for something
Apr 04th 2019
39
IDK institutional racism and the benefits of it are a system at least
Apr 04th 2019
54
By why can't Toxic Masculinity be the catch phrase for what you just
Apr 04th 2019
60
The phrase itself steers away from the underlying issue
Apr 05th 2019
119
think of it as institutionalized sexism
Apr 05th 2019
88
      I can see it that way but it seems like not the most direct approach
Apr 05th 2019
121
*HOLY GHOST STOMPS*
Apr 04th 2019
57
they are battle weary gender warriors
Apr 05th 2019
87
No.
Apr 04th 2019
30
Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy
Apr 04th 2019
62
      RE: Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy
Apr 04th 2019
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           far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans
Apr 05th 2019
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                RE: far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans
Apr 05th 2019
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                     The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans
Apr 05th 2019
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                          RE: The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans
Apr 08th 2019
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                               For whatever reason the trans atlantic and saharan slave trades
Apr 11th 2019
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We wouldn't use the term toxic femininity for the same behavior by women
Apr 04th 2019
35
why don't we talk about black supremacy more?
Apr 04th 2019
36
Talking about black supremacy would be ridiculous.
Apr 04th 2019
43
what do you think a generalization is
Apr 04th 2019
46
      I don't think anyone is perfect
Apr 04th 2019
47
           so you don't know what a generalization is
Apr 04th 2019
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                Dude, we agree, I apologize for triggering you. Chill
Apr 04th 2019
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I'm looking forward to the responses.
Apr 04th 2019
44
do y'all throw your heads directly into the concrete
Apr 04th 2019
38
I usually wait a few. Maybe get a cup of coffee first
Apr 04th 2019
55
Y'all really don't hear yourselves, huh?
Apr 04th 2019
48
I wish we had White Entertainment Television.
Apr 04th 2019
52
Cuz women don't exhibit the same behavior.
Apr 04th 2019
61
      Sorority hazing is female gang violence
Apr 05th 2019
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           You just equated Sorority Hazing to the type of Gang Violence that kille...
Apr 05th 2019
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           I equate gang violence to gang violence
Apr 05th 2019
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                you equated college pledging to street violence. I've seen both and
Apr 05th 2019
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                     joining a group out of a need to belong under an agreement of violence
Apr 11th 2019
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           Because they actually CAN beat up other women
Apr 09th 2019
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           sorority hazing literally imitates it's male counterpart lol
Apr 09th 2019
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                by choice right?
Apr 11th 2019
340
                     does that obvious answer
Apr 15th 2019
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LOL
Apr 04th 2019
37
I believe the correct term should be PTSD
Apr 04th 2019
45
woah, that requires too much compassion
Apr 04th 2019
51
^^^^^^^^
Apr 04th 2019
66
It's not OKP. It started on Twitter. We're "late" to this convo.
Apr 04th 2019
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STAPH
Apr 04th 2019
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STAHP?
Apr 08th 2019
205
LoL @ all the hurt niggaz in here / poast point proven
Apr 05th 2019
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since I sparked it off...i'll speak...
Apr 05th 2019
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Video: Man Breaks Woman's Nose...
Apr 05th 2019
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Update: 'Badly Burnt' Body Discovered In Staten Island
Apr 05th 2019
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Police Search For Man Who Attacked Three Women
Apr 05th 2019
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Man Arrested For Throwing Subway Rider Onto Tracks
Apr 05th 2019
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Update: Man Arrested For Allegedly Shoving Woman For Subway Seat
Apr 05th 2019
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Police Arrest Man Seen In Video Violently Beating Elderly Woman On Subwa...
Apr 05th 2019
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Video Shows Woman Sucker-Punched On Crown Heights Sidewalk
Apr 05th 2019
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thanks for the links
Apr 05th 2019
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Looks up stats of abuse and rape in same sex relationships
Apr 05th 2019
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      yup.
Apr 05th 2019
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      I was shocked at the numbers
Apr 05th 2019
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           the duluth model/pop cultural framework
Apr 07th 2019
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      I'm saying
Apr 05th 2019
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      because toxic masculinity doesn't just affect straight people
Apr 05th 2019
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      it’s the reason women beat the shit out of each other?
Apr 05th 2019
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           might be. that's a very broad question about your specific experience
Apr 05th 2019
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                I don’t believe violence is a masculine trait
Apr 05th 2019
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                that's actually factually wrong.
Apr 05th 2019
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                     ^^^^ Can this man get a response?
Apr 09th 2019
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                          Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept
Apr 09th 2019
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                               RE: Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept
Apr 09th 2019
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                                    I like giving people the last word
Apr 09th 2019
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      WAT?!?!
Apr 05th 2019
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toxic masculinity is not used to only describe black men
Apr 05th 2019
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      emotional health/security/stability are far more accurate terms
Apr 05th 2019
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           get over yourself
Apr 05th 2019
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                That is an odd response. Not sure we'll connect on it's origin
Apr 05th 2019
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                     you are hurt by the term "toxic masculinity"
Apr 05th 2019
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                          Why immediately jump to the "hurt" insult though? That's the go-to
Apr 05th 2019
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                          I also am losing patience
Apr 05th 2019
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                               Am I being confused with someone else
Apr 05th 2019
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                          Quite an assumption when there are reasons like the phrase being off
Apr 05th 2019
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                               release your skepticism about this term and read some of the literature
Apr 05th 2019
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                                    These assumptions are becoming a pattern. I think this is the third time
Apr 05th 2019
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Violence is not a masculine or feminine trait.
Apr 05th 2019
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and there isn't one "femininity" or "masculinity"
Apr 05th 2019
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Agreed. Is it entropy design or both I wonder
Apr 05th 2019
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"masculinity" is not the same thing as "masculine"
Apr 05th 2019
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bruh
Apr 05th 2019
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What's the difference?
Apr 05th 2019
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      a person can be masculine
Apr 05th 2019
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           So one is an adjective, the other is a noun?
Apr 05th 2019
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                if that's all you need to know in order to know they aren't the same thi...
Apr 05th 2019
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                     https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
Apr 05th 2019
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                          he's saying sex is not the same as gender
Apr 08th 2019
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what is it when a society promotes violence by a particular gender
Apr 07th 2019
182
White supremacy has people behaving the opposite of masculine
Apr 05th 2019
85
Thank you.
Apr 05th 2019
100
Emotional newspeak-esque term that does it's job pretty well.
Apr 05th 2019
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projection is a natural response. We should expect it
Apr 05th 2019
104
you don't seem to like the answers you are receiving to your questions
Apr 05th 2019
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      Nah, everything is just another attempt at emotional manipulation...
Apr 05th 2019
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           my fault, the debate ended with you after you called it propaganda
Apr 05th 2019
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Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and George M. Johnson is disgusting
Apr 05th 2019
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The 1st I heard of toxic masculinity it was attached to the "bros"
Apr 05th 2019
120
Same. Maybe it's a regional thing
Apr 05th 2019
123
that just sounds like the lens you looked at it through
Apr 05th 2019
133
i feel like every 80's teen hijinx movie's plot was driven by it
Apr 06th 2019
165
first I heard was gamergate
Apr 11th 2019
324
almost every single white mass shooter this decade
Apr 05th 2019
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just say you don't read anything
Apr 05th 2019
126
LoL, exactly. I watch my white women friends on FB or twitter...
Apr 05th 2019
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like dude has clearly never listened to one unedited clip
Apr 05th 2019
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      LoL
Apr 05th 2019
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yes, my friend i mentioned in the initial post doesn't read
Apr 05th 2019
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      all the time, they have these wild opinions and things they hate
Apr 06th 2019
163
           Not just books but newspapers too
Apr 07th 2019
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we can hold Nipsey accountable for homophobia
Apr 05th 2019
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      how are you connecting homophobia to his murder?
Apr 05th 2019
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      it's not connected
Apr 05th 2019
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      Was he a homophobic rapper?
Apr 05th 2019
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           yes
Apr 05th 2019
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           This is garbage
Apr 05th 2019
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           deray called him out on one thing
Apr 05th 2019
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                My guy, how'd you get, from that exchange, that Nipsey was homophobic?
Apr 05th 2019
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                     homophobia is like racism
Apr 05th 2019
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                          I didn't get that out of his back-n-forth with Deray...
Apr 05th 2019
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                          What did you think of what deray said?
Apr 05th 2019
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                               No. He wasn't being disingenuous. He was being a supporter and stand-up....
Apr 05th 2019
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                          Get the entire fuck outta here
Apr 05th 2019
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                               Nigga it's an analogy
Apr 05th 2019
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                                    they are not REMOTELY similar. At all. In any way
Apr 07th 2019
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                                         whatever
Apr 07th 2019
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           How is that different that Dave's comments about Hollywood wanting
Apr 05th 2019
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           I don't think it had anything to do with his murder, which is why
Apr 05th 2019
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                I agree with what you said here.
Apr 09th 2019
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           Lmao. That’s a reach.
Apr 05th 2019
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           There was an IG post, from several months ago, where Nip offered...
Apr 05th 2019
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                could be read homosexuality is anathema to being a strong black man?
Apr 05th 2019
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                     Could definitely be. I just didn't interpret it that way because the dud...
Apr 05th 2019
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                          yeah definitely in poor taste
Apr 05th 2019
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You live in a country that was taken by guns germs and genocide
Apr 05th 2019
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"toxic masculinity" is one of the worthless, dumbest terms ever created
Apr 06th 2019
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men hating the term "toxic masculinity" is akin to
Apr 07th 2019
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The fact that it's not simply called 'toxic behavior' should carry weigh...
Apr 08th 2019
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      sorry no. its tied to the power structure of patriarchy. no Sugar Coat.
Apr 08th 2019
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           it's a feeling and can't be tied to anything until accurately described
Apr 11th 2019
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toxic masculinity is what made this loser pretend DC movies were good
Apr 07th 2019
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everything aint gotta be a thinkpiece.
Apr 06th 2019
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Kinda foul to churn out a story like this so soon.
Apr 07th 2019
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oh but it does
Apr 07th 2019
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what happens when the publisher says the audience needs content
Apr 07th 2019
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So why is America’s murder rate so high, relatively?
Apr 07th 2019
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Does gender not play a role at all in heightened levels of violence
Apr 07th 2019
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not in the absolutist sense that "toxic masculinity" implies, no
Apr 07th 2019
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      Sorry my post title threw you off
Apr 07th 2019
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      what point are you trying to make?
Apr 07th 2019
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           your reading comprehension is poor
Apr 07th 2019
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                Ok, player, lol
Apr 07th 2019
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      imagine being a person who can't read
Apr 07th 2019
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           Imagine being a nigga called Goose
Apr 08th 2019
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                Damn
Apr 08th 2019
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                lmfaooo @ "a strong toddler"
Apr 09th 2019
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                in reality, the babysitter's club doesn't exist.
Apr 09th 2019
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                cool display of toxic masculinity
Apr 09th 2019
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why do you think that men are toxic masculinity?
Apr 07th 2019
189
good lord
Apr 07th 2019
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He was killed by an informant working for "toxic white masculinity"
Apr 08th 2019
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^^^^^
Apr 08th 2019
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i was with you on the first point
Apr 08th 2019
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RE: i was with you on the first point
Apr 09th 2019
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      "certain negros actually believe it"
Apr 09th 2019
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      Black men have to take responsibility in addressing the symptoms
Apr 09th 2019
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           Respectability politics... Black oppression baked into American culture
Apr 09th 2019
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                ok bro
Apr 09th 2019
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Word em up, Sun!
Apr 08th 2019
200
The Sebi Conspiracy has evolved to this new strand of thinking I see.
Apr 08th 2019
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Take a day off fam
Apr 08th 2019
202
BASICALLY/ Check this out: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything...
Apr 08th 2019
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lol
Apr 08th 2019
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i'ma be honest, my mind went to him meeting with LAPD
Apr 08th 2019
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I mean the idea the government killed him because he is working with...
Apr 08th 2019
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      Your lack of intelligence is staggering, my dude.
Apr 09th 2019
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You've admitted to being dumb and getting dumber.
Apr 09th 2019
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the very first reply placed blame on criminal informant policy tho
Apr 08th 2019
204
Subsequent responses by the same poster tell his story...
Apr 09th 2019
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      shit really ain't rocket science
Apr 09th 2019
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      Extremely lucid & succinct synopis, Blak!
Apr 09th 2019
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      literally nobody here is calling black men toxic tho.
Apr 09th 2019
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           You gonna stick to this lie? You literally thanked someone who went
Apr 09th 2019
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                clipsed ain't say black men was toxic tho.
Apr 09th 2019
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                     So you are sticking to your lie. Cool.
Apr 09th 2019
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                          and you're sticking to failing to comprehend people. peace.
Apr 09th 2019
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                               Now you're trying to blame your lie on me. Peace.
Apr 09th 2019
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you ever notice that boogie is always down for the conspiracy
Apr 08th 2019
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      Definitely not willing to overlook it in a case like this.
Apr 09th 2019
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I don't have stats or anything so I could be incredibly off on this
Apr 08th 2019
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Yeah. Women don’t shoot guns...they fuck their man’s best friend
Apr 08th 2019
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24 people shot in Chicago within the past 30 hrs....
Apr 08th 2019
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This sounds kinda Fox newsish
Apr 08th 2019
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      your lens
Apr 08th 2019
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      Kinda? lol. It's straight from the playbook. Just blurt out some shit...
Apr 08th 2019
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           Haha... I was trying to be nice.
Apr 08th 2019
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                Let Nipsey say it instead:
Apr 08th 2019
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                     ^^^^^
Apr 10th 2019
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I heard a woman was the getaway driver
Apr 08th 2019
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Oh is that why he got caught?
Apr 08th 2019
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guess what this is called
Apr 08th 2019
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      Umm, did you think I WASN'T agreeing with you?
Apr 08th 2019
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           lol
Apr 09th 2019
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           is there something about the things I've posted here
Apr 09th 2019
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Religion is to blame for toxic masculinity.
Apr 08th 2019
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The sins of NWA/Too Short/Ice-T/2 Live Crew is coming back to
Apr 08th 2019
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how stupid is this motherfucker
Apr 09th 2019
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aspiring to be like you
Apr 09th 2019
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i know this is a music website, but good god this take is dumb
Apr 09th 2019
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      right, because 2 Live Crew is from California
Apr 09th 2019
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      If we're exploring reasons why, one big one is men raised by single moms
Apr 09th 2019
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           nigga shut up
Apr 10th 2019
300
                No reason for this hostility on the Internet, man.
Apr 13th 2019
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Everyone in here needs to take a step back and breathe
Apr 08th 2019
225
Are you talking about our "Culture of Violence?"
Apr 09th 2019
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      the culture that forces us to say "black lives matter"
Apr 09th 2019
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      Black People and Culture. You know exactly what I mean
Apr 09th 2019
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           I could post a lot of articles about black crime & incarceration rates.....
Apr 09th 2019
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                None of what you said proves that
Apr 09th 2019
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                     I'm making a point here that you're completely missing.
Apr 10th 2019
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                          Nothing flew over my head.
Apr 11th 2019
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holy shit we are stupid, lol
Apr 09th 2019
250
wakanda
Apr 09th 2019
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Language has power.
Apr 09th 2019
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Winky Dinky Dog...
Apr 09th 2019
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^^^^
Apr 09th 2019
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somebody needs to rapture this post! Just lock it
Apr 09th 2019
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See. This is how black men are the white people of black people
Apr 09th 2019
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      issue is, there are people who disagree with the premise and the
Apr 09th 2019
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           i accept that what you are saying is honest
Apr 09th 2019
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                ...but I don't believe in your dogma about toxic masculinity, lol
Apr 09th 2019
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                     Why ask when they came in with guns blazing
Apr 09th 2019
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                          Everything you just wrote about
Apr 09th 2019
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                          What does poverty have to do with white men like matt lauer
Apr 09th 2019
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                          What does Matt Lauer have to do with nipsey's murder, lol?
Apr 09th 2019
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                          not sure i get the point about stereotypes
Apr 10th 2019
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                               essentially TM as a concept attempts to push certain behaviors
Apr 10th 2019
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                                    RE: essentially TM as a concept attempts to push certain behaviors
Apr 11th 2019
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                          Rereading your post, it's even more troubling
Apr 09th 2019
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                               you really can't comprehend what you're reading
Apr 09th 2019
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                                    And here we are with the name calling again, lol
Apr 09th 2019
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                                         You too smart for me doc
Apr 09th 2019
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we're in a place where exclusively internet cats like boogie
Apr 09th 2019
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he ain't really concerned with what's going on out here.
Apr 09th 2019
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they want to drive the bus no matter where it's going
Apr 10th 2019
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You aren't concerned with what's going on with Black people in general
Apr 10th 2019
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      I love watching these losers expose themselves
Apr 10th 2019
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Reading this whole post, I'm so glad
Apr 09th 2019
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Nah
Apr 09th 2019
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Respect
Apr 10th 2019
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Lol. Give one. Just one example of RJCC talking common sense in this pos...
Apr 09th 2019
293
we understand that your game is pitching yourself as the judge
Apr 10th 2019
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you just can't take a lot of these cats seriously
Apr 10th 2019
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this site has been completely bananas for a LONG time
Apr 11th 2019
346
Kenyatta Griggs and Tariq Nasheed both knew Nipsey personally
Apr 10th 2019
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      I ain't no 'street dude' but I know the neighborhood.
Apr 10th 2019
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      So does Kenyatta Griggs
Apr 11th 2019
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      Dawg you don't get citing Tariq Nasheed outside the circles you run
Apr 10th 2019
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      And Kenyatta Griggs and Samiel Asghedom?
Apr 11th 2019
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           I'll bite. What exactly did Kenyatta Griggs and Samiel Asghedom say?
Apr 11th 2019
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                Suffice to say they're not ruling out a "conspiracy"
Apr 12th 2019
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                     no one has said you're "trippin"
Apr 12th 2019
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                     I didn't ask you who they are. I asked you what did they say.
Apr 12th 2019
                     And I told you to watch Griggs for yourself
Apr 13th 2019
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                     .
Apr 12th 2019
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      yes, explain that your internet only rambling comes from tariq
Apr 10th 2019
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      Explain why you're ignoring Nipsey's own brother and Kenyatta Griggs
Apr 11th 2019
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           who's ignoring anybody? I said keep motherfucking talking boy
Apr 11th 2019
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                Exactly. Suddenly, being from L.A. isn't your criteria for credibility f...
Apr 11th 2019
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                     who's the man he wanted to do movies with?
Apr 12th 2019
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                          Don't back down now. Why is Ike more credible that all 3 of these ppl?
Apr 12th 2019
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                               I've kept the same energy from the start.
Apr 12th 2019
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                                    Don't be a coward. You were saying living in L.A. lends credibility
Apr 12th 2019
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                                         let's see, what did I say?
Apr 12th 2019
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                                              Still being a coward. Typical
Apr 12th 2019
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                                                   yup, still you out here explaining to actual LA dudes
Apr 12th 2019
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                                                        All these ppl explaining it's "toxic masculinity" are from LA?
Apr 12th 2019
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                                                             I wholeheartedly dispute the idea that
Apr 13th 2019
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      blue lives matter
Apr 10th 2019
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      Yeah I figured you were part of that movement
Apr 11th 2019
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      lmao
Apr 10th 2019
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      Yeah, don't speak. You already admitted to being stupid.
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           yes, for engaging with stupid ideas earnestly
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                You said much more stupid shit beyond that
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      What does being from the streets have to do with this
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           That much should be obvious
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           Imagines you saying this after Malcolm was killed?
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           Malcolm got killed over hurt feelings too tho.
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           Google Raymond Woods
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                I ain't giving nobody a pass. Farrakhan used to BOAST about the shit.
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           Wait wut?
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           "the streets" are where genocide is fought
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                Very telling that yall keep ignoring Samiel and Kenyatta
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                     I'm all for reparations
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                     Very telling that yall keep ignoring Samiel and Kenyatta
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                          blue lives matter
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                     boogie: YALL ARE AGAINST REPARATIONS
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                     Yeah, that last part had me dying bruh, lol
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                          RE: Yeah, that last part had me dying bruh, lol
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this poast is an advert for male birth control
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Word. If yall gonna side with those who want us dead...
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huh?
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LOVES THEM!
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      11 posts since 2008, LoL
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lol
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wow at how easy it is to subvert black people
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Some facts about the murder...
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shout out to boogie ending his rape investigation business
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Boogie steal your girl in HS?
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      yeah, if I were you I also wouldn't want people bringing up
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           Feel free to post links to me "investigating rape"
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i dont like the conspiracy angle but when you lay it out like that
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It was Pepe Silvia
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Your shitty analytical skills, reasoning and comprehension are on full d...
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Sorry bro but Chris Darden defending this dude
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Yeah, you know what you are talking about.
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      RE: Yeah, you know what you are talking about.
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If he went there with two guns in an anti-gun state like CA...
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So yalls suspicion is based on the disbelief that a criminal would have....
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      It's scary how dedicated they are to this.
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      lmao
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      Never mind, I made a point about guns, and you made it about...
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his original pst was outlined by TMZ 3 days after nipsey's day
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NOPE. Toxic masculinity
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RE: NOPE. Toxic masculinity
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Black man you need to search your soul. You care so much
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      end post.
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      So you didn't know his bail was lowered to 5 million?
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      Yo you making the case based on his nickname is so fucking dumb.
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           Same. My people call me Bubble. Good luck figuring out why.
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           i got a cousin nicknamed bubble for the bubble on his lip.
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                damn, we cousins.
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           Does this mean you also didn't know his bail was 5 mil?
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                fantastic deflection
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                The post I'm responded to is deflection
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                to be fair, keeping track of the changing bail from 7 to 5 million
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      plus why would the govt use him then let him live to talk about it?
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high functioning retarded people post here
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So u can fathom the white power structure using "any way they can"
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I think too highly of myself to argue about this on a Saturday evening
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      Not too highly to respond tho lol.
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           there's no getting anywhere with people like you
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                You're not trying to get anywhere.
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                     learn to take accountability for your behavior
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                          It's rather fascinating how all your insults always apply to you.
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                               Im pretty able to address things rationally
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                                    So are plenty other people in here actually.
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                                         thanks for proving me right. you can have the last word
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                                              Likewise
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Lmao at acting above it all while using retarded
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you have a shitty life, your father is ashamed of you
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just gotta post past some niggas and try not to make eye contact.
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where are these gangstas we keep hearing about?
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All the real Gs are no longer with us, RIP (natural selection)
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Shitty's family's houses were shot at
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Ninjaz need ta do dey research: 2 of Shitty's kinfolk got KILLED!
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But are you from L.A. tho?!?!?
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      Sactown, Fam.
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Bad take bro.
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you can take em out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of em
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What's the GOAL and the TAKEAWAY here in this post?
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goal? i dunno
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1. "Absolutely."
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I place blame on reckless criminal informant policies and a lack of mental healthcare in our community too, but I don't see how this is not also an expression of toxic masculinity.

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10. "The post should end here, but I fear it won't."
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My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

  

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63. "it never does. either way, my reading will end here."
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2. "I hate that term and the use of it. .... for the record."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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3. "ditto"
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Thu Apr-04-19 12:54 PM by Selah

          

the behavior described is in no way only perpetuated by males and there is no equivalent shortcut for it being manifested by females

(sidebar: s'funny how the folks that use it also wanna say "there's no such thing as gender")

but its easier so that chicken gon' get choked

  

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6. "equivalent?"
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why does there have to be an equivalent?

  

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12. "pick a different word if you like"
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point is: why parse it at all?

and if you do: why would there not be terms for each manifestation you select?

  

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23. "imagine being this fuckin dumb"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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40. "....."
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in honor of Angela Nissel who i miss and still respect (as opposed to "rjcc", who I do not) for the kindness she showed and the work she put in:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=announcement&id=76

highlights:

"GUIDELINES (Mar 08th 2008)

......

(10) Of course you are going to disagree with other people's posts, different pieces of content on Okayplayer or certain points of view being put forward by artists, writers, and staff who contribute to the site. This board would be boring if everyone agreed and nobody challenged anyone on anything. Debate is encouraged. Harassing or threatening someone because you disagree is wack and spineless. Harassment and threats are not tolerated. Your account will be deactivated and we will no longer allow you to participate in our community by any means. Based on our judgment, we may decide to give you a warning before taking action, although we are not required.


...

(16) Ignore the posts you do not like and support the ones you do. Responding to posts you dislike is a waste of energy, time, and thought that could go to an interesting post.

...

Keep this in mind: You will only get what YOU put into the boards. If you put out negativity, you will get negativity back. If you put out positivity, you will get that back. Treat message boards as you would treat any home you enter. We hope that you consider this yours."


(edited to be more specific who the internet scab of a poster is)

  

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59. "you should aim higher"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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171. "How are you a mod if you can’t follow the guidelines?"
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Peace,

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http://wutangbook.com

  

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58. "RE: pick a different word if you like"
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>point is: why parse it at all?

because people are dying to dudes trying to be macho?

  

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13. "^"
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284. "Eh.."
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>the behavior described is in no way only perpetuated by males
>and there is no equivalent shortcut for it being manifested by
>females
>
>(sidebar: s'funny how the folks that use it also wanna say
>"there's no such thing as gender")
>
>but its easier so that chicken gon' get choked

I think there's no equivalent term for women because any negative behavior on our part is already called out, and added to existing misogynistic tropes (whether true or not). Men are able to act out in ways that women have never been allowed to. Men's behavior is not policed the way women's behavior is.

To be clear, black men are policed within the broader society but not within our community. Y'all behave like utter fools with very little consequences.

  

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22. "why wouldn't you? you don't know what it means"
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don't want to acknowledge how words work, and put the blame in all the wrong places.

that makes your response consistent.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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68. "^Toxic Moderation"
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69. "I laughed"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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168. "LOL!"
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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167. "Yeah, its a passive-aggressive Flute for men-haters."
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And they be playin da hell out dat muhfukka, thinkin we don't see it.

Muhfukka, we SEE yall!





https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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285. "This is such an irresponsible and ahistorical trope"
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Who are these man haters? Like seriously? Why is it when women make valid criticism or create terminology addressing men's horrible behavior they're "man haters?"

  

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4. "RE: shoehorning of the "gay agenda" into this murder"
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Yeah, I'm struggling with the entirety of the article focusing on homophobia

How did that directly factor into this murder?

The question is asked, why isn't the Ed Buck deaths more of a big deal

A; because the deceased are still black men, gay or not

Not being familiar with Nipsey as an artist (I'm old)

and now being exposed to his work

the constant throwing up a 6 in his videos and other display easily associated with gang culture is painful to see

I really appreciate his work outside of the industry; black ownership, etc...

...but when you look at the videos now, posthumously, I think they speak for themselves...

I have no idea how this dude folded homophobia into this story.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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172. "Gang culture is a subculture "
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Not everyone in a gang is violent. Nip wasn’t active. He didn’t throw anybody else’s set down in his videos, near as I can remember. He grew up affiliated. He was probably and lroud of it as other people are to belong to a fraternity. That alone in no way justifies or condones murdering him in cold blood.

Peace,

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5. "brings to mind this fiery poast....whew..............yikes............"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13196934&mesg_id=13196934&listing_type=search#13196954

  

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93. "eesh"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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7. "I don’t like being around people who don’t value human life"
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When someone talks about killing people over an argument or a woman... I bounce.

Back in my wild days I used to date hood chicks but as soon as they talked that “my ex is crazy.. pulled a gun” I bounce

It’s also one of the reasons I don’t judge dudes from the hood who make it out and don’t come back. I respect those who do but it’s definitely a risk.

9th wonder had a real ass post about how all it takes is one “no”

you can do everything for your people but the first time you say no... problems.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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8. "and its all ego and fear"
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things you're completely in control of

  

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14. "Why would anyone?"
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>It’s also one of the reasons I don’t judge dudes from the
>hood who make it out and don’t come back. I respect those
>who do but it’s definitely a risk.

I mean, if you are dirt poor and you come into millions of dollars, why would you stay exactly where you are? Why would you come back to that environment without extra precautions being taken? And even then, it's a huge risk.

This ain't about black people/men being violent or their masculinity being toxic. It's about desperation and jealousy. Poverty vs status. Perceived gate keeper vs perceived lack of opportunity.

Someone in a much worse situation, wants to be in a better one, sees someone with an abundance of resources and status and wants access to them. Gets shunned (and told he's a liability because he has a rep for not being trusted...allegedly) in front of his significant other supposedly and takes it personal.

When you mix that in a cocktail with poverty, gang culture and access to guns...a lot of the time, logic goes out the door and 'get back' prevails.

I finally let my disappointment in Nipsey passing subside and I put on Victory Lap today. I swear, there are lines all up and down that album that are eerie when combined with how he passed.

Keys to the City - "...Pull out aim for the target, shoulda never been around the killers...catch a body in broad day..."

It makes me sad that it's perceived that even when you get away from that life and try to 180 your effect on that culture, many believe they have to maintain a certain level of promotion/reporting on it to sustain a street relevance.

I mean, I can't expect a screenwriter to not create their art just like I can't to a musician/rapper...but, I just wish it was more widely acceptable to not need the dirt to have mass credibility to some.

It's just incredibly sad man...

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16. "Yeah, I listened to a few songs but that’s not my lane"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "yeah, no."
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I'm not even trying to understand that article. If Eric Holder was trans, and he got stomped out and called an epithet...that would be different.

somebody got cliff notes?

IG: amadu_me

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11. "there will be poast. "
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***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

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53. "Lol bruh"
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Apparently I gotta call it machismo, sexism, patriarchy, overcompensating, napolean complex anything but toxic masculinity.


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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"Men and White People...."


  

          

clam the fuck up and get caught on words making constructive discussion near fucking impossible if certain triggering words are used.

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115. "Men and White People...."
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clam the fuck up and get caught on words making constructive discussion near fucking impossible if certain triggering words are used.

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15. ""Toxic Masculinity" is another in the long-line of BS propaganda terms"
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Debate with me pretty-much ends there.

  

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17. "Basically"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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19. "basically. n/m"
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21. "who has ever asked you to debate anything?"
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18. "I'm offended."
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Not by the supposed premise.
Yes, of course violence and homophobia is wrong and shouldn't be celebrated in music lyrics.
But, to pretend like the murder of Nip has anything to do with either of those is absurd and an extremely far reach. He links to his own article, pretending the topics go together in common discourse.

It is dishonest the way he predatorily uses the tragedy as his vehicle to call-out 'Toxic Masculinity', among Black men very specifically.
Waving a brush of hatred like, "The LGBTQ community is all too familiar with the violent side of black masculinity" supporting it not with facts and stats, but a single violent anecdote, to support his false claim.

He then goes on, "The past 12 months have provided numerous examples of the fragility of black masculinity." citing Ed Buck and Terry Crews, after mentioning Kevin Hart's Oscar dismissal over a 10 year old joke?
Crews was sexually assaulted by a white man.
Two Black men were found dead in WHITE Ed Buck's house...& he's never even been arrested, while the black man he uses in the violent example earlier in the article--who poured boiling water on a gay couple--was sentenced to 40 years in jail, and those men are both alive with no physical permanent damage.

Damn this editorial, and the opportunistic (his twitter shows he's selling a book all about the topic) con-man who wrote it.


  

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26. "surprised he didnt tie-in Jussie"
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65. "it is nakedly coon shit"
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dude is profoundly fucked up for this
and the editor who okayed this bullshit to be published is fucked up too

  

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194. "yeah."
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>Damn this editorial, and the opportunistic (his twitter shows
>he's selling a book all about the topic) con-man who wrote
>it.

this is what I call "ambulance chasing". appearing to mean well, but they don't go far enough into these "toxins" to be talking about them. they spend too much time on the symptoms.

  

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236. "Any informed Black person will find it repulsive"
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20. "Toxic masculinity as a subject is a red herring "
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To distract from the real issue of emotional health and human behavior as it relates to attachment

Both men and women in America are trending towards toxic behavior

To suggest there are toxic forms of either masculinity or femininity is insincere as those are attractive qualities in their respective genders. I'd argue that an attractive quality can't at the same time be unattractive

All of America is suffering from broken famalies and emotional insecurity. When parents aren't able to provide security and comfort for their children (with the first two years of life being the most important) it generally results in adults who have severe issues with managing anxiety and forming healthy relationships

Having a traumatic experience as a newborn in the form of abusive or absent parents, losing parents, or anything that would keep a child from getting the care it needs like separating a family of enslaved Africans for example exacerbates the difficulties an adult will face in soothing their own emotional state with behaviors such as theft, murder, and other forms of destructive or anti social behavior

As we know America has been proactively destroying black men, women, and children at a high rate. The destruction of that family unit and others results in outcomes like this. That's why the frame is Toxic Masculinity as opposed to the Nation's role in all of this

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188. "I totally agree that this happening"
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I see it as a byproduct of capitalism and the commodification of gender roles to the point that people become possessive of particular aspects of their gender.

If you think of race as a property right, the in a white supremacist capitalist system white people will defend the concept of whiteness with violence. Whiteness is a concept that although is intangible and really leaves them worse off in the eyes of people who see their goal of racial supremacy as fleeting and self destructive, it carries with it the promise of work, higher pay, better credit, higher home values, second chances in the criminal justice system, strong career networks, the best health outcomes, etc. They are attached to these pieces of identity that are associated with whiteness much like men are attached to aspects of masculinity which in the eyes of many are fleeting and self destructive. The objectification, commodification and exploitation of war, adventure (like stanley and livingstone), racial domination, religious dogma (through prosperity preaching), and of course sexual conquest, are all aspects of masculinity that are being spread through social media like a virus. While at the same time people are becoming more possessive of these conceptual pieces of property and are willing to fight to thw death for it.


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338. "is it fair to ascribe these behaviors to masculinity? "
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"The objectification, commodification and exploitation of war, adventure (like stanley and livingstone), racial domination, religious dogma (through prosperity preaching), and of course sexual conquest, are all aspects of masculinity"

From my reading all of these behaviors come from insecurity which is not a gendered thing. I can see though how through the lens of race these behaviors could be believed to be masculine (and thus toxic) the root seems to be insecurity though.

Rhetorically speaking why not deal with the root?

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24. "there's nothing better than these losers"
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admitting that all they want in life is to be white men

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25. "I am fine with blaming Toxic Mascalinity if we can agree their are multi..."
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causes of death.

Gun Control
Poverty
Mental Health Treatment

It just seems simplistic to try and reduce it to the one thing.

I didn't bother to read the article though.


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27. "it's pretty infrequent that something is just one thing"
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41. "How about toxic femininity that has ruled the Black community for "
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the last 5 and a half decades?

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286. "When have black women ever "ruled" the black community? nm"
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374. "Ruled might be hyperbolic but it's not so called black men"
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Which doesn't mean it's so called black women by default, so maybe it's grandparents? Idk

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378. "^^^powerless"
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394. "That reads as projection if it's posted without context"
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To deny that so called black people in America who have ancestral ties to the centuries of family destabilization and trauma inflicted on families of African descent in the form of separating newborns from their patents, husbands from wives, etc. has not effected the dynamics between men and women in that culture is unwise

Someone once posted "prisons are filled with emotional niggas" and this is one of the reasons why i.e. fatherlessness

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28. "Think pieces gonna think piece"
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It's hard for me to tell if something is genuine or if it's done for clicks nowadays

  

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29. "Interesting..."
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I'ma little surprised at the reaction to the use of the phrase, "toxic masculinity."

Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.

  

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31. "Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail Masculinity?" "
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Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral world?




"The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan."
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32. "look at the widdle boy boy"
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wanting to make sure he doesn't have to think anyone is blaming him instead of the truth: no one is thinking about him at all and he has no value or impact of consequence.


it couldn't be less about you.

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33. "RE: Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail ..."
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>Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral
>world?

I assume because it's addressing the historical abuses that men put on various people.

I don't think the idea is that women or LGBTQ people can't act terribly. But there's a long line of abuse and mistreatment that runs back thru history connected to the power (and abuse of it) that men wield.

  

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42. "This isn't a thing"
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>Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral
>world?

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245. "the same reason we say white supremacy instead of just supremacy"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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34. "It's legit embarrassing too."
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> Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks
>do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.

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39. "if you're going to stan for something"
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at least make it not the same thing that the people who hate you the most stan for

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54. "IDK institutional racism and the benefits of it are a system at least"
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Toxic Masculinity isn't a thing. The phrase is actually dismissive of the reality of emotional health and societys role in perpetually fostering the evironments that destroy it

institutional racism and its impact on emotional health would be far more accurate than a catch phrase

Also IDK article seems kind of disrespectful

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60. "By why can't Toxic Masculinity be the catch phrase for what you just "
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described?



>Toxic Masculinity isn't a thing. The phrase is actually
>dismissive of the reality of emotional health and societys
>role in perpetually fostering the evironments that destroy it
>
>institutional racism and its impact on emotional health would
>be far more accurate than a catch phrase
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>Also IDK article seems kind of disrespectful


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119. "The phrase itself steers away from the underlying issue"
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And the responsibility of society in dealing with it

It's this system that has created the conditions that put men like Nipsey and his killer in the cross hairs

Calling it toxic masculinity takes the focus 100% off of society particularly so called white society

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88. "think of it as institutionalized sexism"
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just like racism hurts the racist and makes his understanding of race fraught with lies and contradictions, institutional sexism affects the worldview and behaviors of the sexist.

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121. "I can see it that way but it seems like not the most direct approach"
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Sexuality can go in so many directions but I do see how sexuality in terms of perceived masculinity can be applied to this scenario. It feels a little indirect but understandable and we arrive at the same destination this way

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57. "*HOLY GHOST STOMPS*"
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87. "they are battle weary gender warriors"
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one must constantly be on guard against the scourge of femininity in the male gender. The gays and the feminists are ensuring the destruction of black manhood and you would be wise to join in the fight lest we lose the strength, courage, and dignity of black manhood. </sarcasm>

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30. "No."
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Failure of civilization in the western world, white supremacy and capitalism is what created the environment that killed nipsey...

You are attempting to view the situation through a reality normal to you when the reality there is much different. Laws are different, morality is different and culture is different

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62. "Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy"
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1) "The west" is a concept made up by white men to try and remove nonwhite influence on European civilization.
2)When you call out the white race's role in this situation you are also calling out the male genders role in maintaining white supremacy. The cultural aspects of hyperviolent confrontation associated with the term "toxic masculinity" are fully applicable to Nipsey's murder. The gang culture, the use of government informants and disrespect posed against people identified as snitches, all implicate the male gender

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67. "RE: Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy"
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>1) "The west" is a concept made up by white men to try and
>remove nonwhite influence on European civilization.

>2)When you call out the white race's role in this situation
>you are also calling out the male genders role in maintaining
>white supremacy. The cultural aspects of hyperviolent
>confrontation associated with the term "toxic masculinity" are
>fully applicable to Nipsey's murder. The gang culture, the
>use of government informants and disrespect posed against
>people identified as snitches, all implicate the male gender
>

Without the trappings of the current civilization violence is the norm... as humans we have been incredibly violent for almost all of our history than not.

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79. "far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans"
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how much sense it makes to talk degrees, nature, and or purpose of the violence may be moot idk

Also humans can easily be led to violence but organized violence in the form of war or colonization appears require leadership and so maybe it can be argued that our violent history is more the result of violent cultures and or their leadership

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111. "RE: far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans"
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Word?

We forgot the Mongols already? Aztecs, Inca, Mayans?

Fact is civilization is a thin membrane that scales when there is an understanding and social contract that participants agree to in order to rock out... coope

Humans kill... a lot esp when resources are scarce... men do the most of it.

Toxic masculinity is simply to poor a idea to address a fundamental to our make up..

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113. "The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans"
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is something those other cultures have not seemed to match with whatever violent campaigns they undertook

also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for it's violence or do we blame those who lead it?

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203. "RE: The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans"
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>is something those other cultures have not seemed to match
>with whatever violent campaigns they undertook
>

Tell that to a group of villagers watching the Mongols roll up

>also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for it's
>violence or do we blame those who lead it?

Well let's get mad philosophical.. humanity is the "consensus"... many times we don't know HOW we got to the consensus... like there is no one to "blame" for languages right? the consensus created them.

There wasn't 1 dude who said yo... here is Spanish bestowed unto you.

I think that violence has gone down as we march forward incorporating more and more people into the whole. The consensus deems it immoral and "unfit" to the survival of the whole so it is looked at negatively.

The problem (that we are talking about re: the hood) happens in the margins where groups are left out of said consensus. So imo the blame falls directly on the powers that be that can change this specific situation (government, the state etc..)

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343. "For whatever reason the trans atlantic and saharan slave trades "
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to my reading are the most unique and both have religion at or near the center.

Had the Islamic Arabs of North East Africa not engaged in their campaign the now "middle or near east" would not have the infrastructure that aided Europe in it's rise and subsequent further destroying of the cultures within the larger continent

>>is something those other cultures have not seemed to match
>>with whatever violent campaigns they undertook
>>
>
>Tell that to a group of villagers watching the Mongols roll
>up

Yeah I hear that. Hindsight is not our friend

>>also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for
>it's
>>violence or do we blame those who lead it?
>
>Well let's get mad philosophical.. humanity is the
>"consensus"... many times we don't know HOW we got to the
>consensus... like there is no one to "blame" for languages
>right? the consensus created them.
>
>There wasn't 1 dude who said yo... here is Spanish bestowed
>unto you.
>
>I think that violence has gone down as we march forward
>incorporating more and more people into the whole. The
>consensus deems it immoral and "unfit" to the survival of the
>whole so it is looked at negatively.

That is an interesting view. I wonder. At the same time people can be led into things they normally wouldn't engage in if they can be successfully manipulated


>The problem (that we are talking about re: the hood) happens
>in the margins where groups are left out of said consensus.
>So imo the blame falls directly on the powers that be that can
>change this specific situation (government, the state etc..)

Yeah totally agress

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35. "We wouldn't use the term toxic femininity for the same behavior by women"
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Why does a dispute between 2 people that had a nuance of its own regress into a generalization?

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36. "why don't we talk about black supremacy more?"
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oh, you think black people are perfect?


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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43. "Talking about black supremacy would be ridiculous."
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I think you misread. We agree on the subject.

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46. "what do you think a generalization is"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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47. "I don't think anyone is perfect"
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everybody should be held accountable for their bullshit,
people do seem to dismiss nuance to make a situation that they aren't privy to sound like a larger issue that fits their agenda.
Its like if I were to paint you as a seething asshole, that wouldn't be accurate because you are a complex human being and your thoughts and positions come from a spectrum that I don't have access to.

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49. "so you don't know what a generalization is"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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50. "Dude, we agree, I apologize for triggering you. Chill"
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44. "I'm looking forward to the responses."
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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38. "do y'all throw your heads directly into the concrete "
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when you wake up in the morning, or do you wait a while and then get to the concussing?

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55. "I usually wait a few. Maybe get a cup of coffee first"
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48. "Y'all really don't hear yourselves, huh?"
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52. "I wish we had White Entertainment Television. "
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61. "Cuz women don't exhibit the same behavior."
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There is toxic femininity, though we don't use that phrase, but it doesn't result in gang violence. It results in other not healthy ways like, idk, being a thot, tearing down other women emotionally, chasing terrible dudes, etc.

I don't think acknowledging toxic masculinity as thing means women don't have their own set of problems. Our problems are particular to us though.


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80. "Sorority hazing is female gang violence "
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women exhibit violence towards each other often and I've seen it mostly in same sex relationships. I'd argue the underlying causes are exactly the same

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83. "You just equated Sorority Hazing to the type of Gang Violence that kille..."
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Nipsey Hussle.

An argument you can only make online because you'd be laughed out the room IRL.

Stop bruh.


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90. "I equate gang violence to gang violence"
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The underlying emotional traumas and voids that lead to violence in gangs are the same regardless of what form the gang takes or the environment in which it exists

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137. "you equated college pledging to street violence. I've seen both and"
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this is mad disrespectful and disingenuous. Get the fuck out of here.


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339. "joining a group out of a need to belong under an agreement of violence"
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not putting down the very human need to belong to something but there are parallels when it comes to the nature of the violence in both groups. Streets aren't needed to form a gang

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242. "Because they actually CAN beat up other women"
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I've seen
>it mostly in same sex relationships. I'd argue the underlying
>causes are exactly the same


If your average woman was actually capable of beating up your average man you'd see way more women doing so.

It happens now to some extent if you find the right/wrong set of people.


I think female on male domestic violence is greatly underreported, another symptom of "toxic masculinity" since Dudes aren't trained to see Women as physical threats

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246. "sorority hazing literally imitates it's male counterpart lol"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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340. "by choice right?"
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416. "does that obvious answer"
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change how their behavior mimics others?

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37. "LOL"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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45. "I believe the correct term should be PTSD"
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...can't believe OKP would bamm up a murder post...

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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51. "woah, that requires too much compassion"
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better to use toxic masculinity so you can PRETEND you care while engaging in america's fave pasttime of beating black men over the head

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66. "^^^^^^^^"
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only when the topic is Black men, is their masculinity the cause of violence.
Not mental health, or poverty, or community decay, or lack of conflict resolution skills.
It's our dicks.
The fact that people ca't see how nakedly racist this is is wild to me

  

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56. "It's not OKP. It started on Twitter. We're "late" to this convo."
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64. "STAPH"
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205. "STAHP?"
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IG: amadu_me

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70. "LoL @ all the hurt niggaz in here / poast point proven"
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lol

mofos so mad at the term they can't just discuss how tragic it is that a well-deserved snub by nipsey to a fellow 60 led to the man actually embodying the running sentiments against him and upping the anti of not only being a snitch but a murderous coward

as dave east said in an interview

if there was beef, there are ways to handle it within your crew

call a fade nigga

he ran back to his car and blew that man away

saw no one was coming and went back to shoot him in the head, then kicked his body

then tried to turn himself into a mental health facility

couldn't even stand up behind what he'd done

i fight against my instincts of hubris, black identity dismantling, imposter syndrome and self-righteousness daily

all while trying to reevaluate and heal from what I learned as a youngster

so i know the ways i can or have expressed myself can be toxic to people i know, love, work with and are around

and i can sometimes support other toxic masculinity

it's a daily thing

i also believe that patriarchy is a systemic tool to oppress and destroy the strides of women

as a sidenote

black men are out here killing children for the belief they may be gay, black men are out here killing trans black women at alarming rates

white supremacy and patriarchy has us expressing toxic masculinity in destructive ways to our own and to others

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71. "since I sparked it off...i'll speak..."
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it's quickly becoming yet another way to label Black men.
I refuse to rock with that.
Y'all can...
But not me...
We got enough labels on our issues....not need to manufacture more coded language...
And the SAD part is that we're buying into the bullshit...

  

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72. "Video: Man Breaks Woman's Nose..."
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After She Told Him To Stop Yelling At Other Women On Subway

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/subway_woman_nose_break.php?fbclid=IwAR3FtRr60iMDIRZO4b25OsjbzDM8xgEA-0cYccURKsllopDhGHbrypjJyuE

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73. "Update: 'Badly Burnt' Body Discovered In Staten Island "
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Storage Unit Believed To Be Missing Teacher


http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/missing_teacher_staten_island.php

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74. "Police Search For Man Who Attacked Three Women"
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Police Search For Man Who Attacked Three Women In Prospect Park

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/prospect_park_assault_nypd.php

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75. " Man Arrested For Throwing Subway Rider Onto Tracks"
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, Then Hitting Him With Metal Lock

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/01/man_arrested_for_throwing_subway_ri.php

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76. "Update: Man Arrested For Allegedly Shoving Woman For Subway Seat"
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http://gothamist.com/2019/03/29/police_arrest_man_accused_of_shovin.php

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77. "Police Arrest Man Seen In Video Violently Beating Elderly Woman On Subwa..."
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http://gothamist.com/2019/03/25/police_arrest_man_subway_kick.php

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78. "Video Shows Woman Sucker-Punched On Crown Heights Sidewalk"
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http://gothamist.com/2019/03/21/sucker_punch_video_nypd.php

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81. "thanks for the links "
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86. "Looks up stats of abuse and rape in same sex relationships"
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https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community

Shit is high.. much higher than heterosexual stats.


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89. "yup. "
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96. "I was shocked at the numbers "
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I’ve never not known a gay person who hasn’t been abused or had to physically fight at least one SO.

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176. "the duluth model/pop cultural framework "
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of thinking about IPV/abuse is just an outright lie.
It's way more nuanced and bi-directional than it's presented. ESPECIALLY in Black communities.
All the data says so, too.
Hence, there's no easy way to explain same-sex abuse being insanely high among gay woman, other than "toxic masculinity".
Which is obviously bullshit

  

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97. "because toxic masculinity doesn't just affect straight people"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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101. "it’s the reason women beat the shit out of each other? "
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I’ve seen some serious hands being thrown by women and a man ain’t have shit to do with the relationship.

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103. "might be. that's a very broad question about your specific experience"
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but toxic masculinity is also called "hegemonic masculinity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_masculinity

The particular normative form of masculinity that is the most honoured way of being a man, which requires all other men to position themselves in relation to it, is known as hegemonic masculinity. Originally, hegemonic masculinity was understood as the pattern of practice that allowed men's dominance over women to continue. In Western society, the dominant form of masculinity or the cultural ideal of manhood was primarily reflective of white, heterosexual, largely middle-class males. The ideals of manhood espoused by the dominant masculinity suggested a number of characteristics that men are encouraged to internalize into their own personal codes and which form the basis for masculine scripts of behaviour. These characteristics include: violence and aggression, stoicism (emotional restraint), courage, toughness, physical strength, athleticism, risk-taking, adventure and thrill-seeking, competitiveness, and achievement and success. Hegemonic masculinity is not completely dominant, however, as it only exists in relation to non-hegemonic, subordinated forms of masculinity. The most salient example of this approach in contemporary European and American society is the dominance of heterosexual men and the subordination of homosexual men. This was manifested in political and cultural exclusion, legal violence, street violence, and economic discrimination. Gay masculinity was the most conspicuous subordinated masculinity during this period of time, but not the only one. Heterosexual men and boys with effeminate characteristics ran the risk of being scorned as well.

here is the definition of misogyny from wikipedia

Misogyny (/mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny manifests in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, disenfranchisement of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification. Misogyny can be found within sacred texts of religions, mythologies, and Western philosophy and Eastern philosophy.





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106. "I don’t believe violence is a masculine trait"
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We have to stop treating like infants who aren’t responsible for their actions.

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122. "that's actually factually wrong."
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This is why pop blog culture sucks ass so much.

The founder of the term "toxic masculinity" (Raewyn Connell) created the term as a part of her work in exploring the nuances of masculinity. It actually is a term created as a part of a project to *dismiss* the notion of hegemonic masculinity, and speak to the infite ways that infinite factors influeunce the reification of gender.

In her conception, "toxic masculinity" is specifically about Australian men and boys from rural blue collar backgrounds mirroring the behavior of British gentry. it's "toxic" to them because they are chasing something antithetical to their material conditions and unachievable.

It has nothing to do with how pop culture/blogs have taken it and dumbed it the fuck down. Connell's book, "Masculinities" is actually pretty damn good, btw

http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html

  

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228. "^^^^ Can this man get a response?"
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I mean damn, he just chopped yall's whole concept up from the root.
The least yall can do is thank him for the class.
I know the drill tho. I've pointed out the same thing before.
They always pretend they didn't see it and continue the ignorance that further study into Connell's work would easily eliminate.


>This is why pop blog culture sucks ass so much.
>
>The founder of the term "toxic masculinity" (Raewyn Connell)
>created the term as a part of her work in exploring the
>nuances of masculinity. It actually is a term created as a
>part of a project to *dismiss* the notion of hegemonic
>masculinity, and speak to the infite ways that infinite
>factors influeunce the reification of gender.
>
>In her conception, "toxic masculinity" is specifically about
>Australian men and boys from rural blue collar backgrounds
>mirroring the behavior of British gentry. it's "toxic" to them
>because they are chasing something antithetical to their
>material conditions and unachievable.
>
>It has nothing to do with how pop culture/blogs have taken it
>and dumbed it the fuck down. Connell's book, "Masculinities"
>is actually pretty damn good, btw
>
>http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html
>

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238. "Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept"
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Who basically restated everything we've been saying in this post

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269. "RE: Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept"
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>Who basically restated everything we've been saying in this
>post

Untrue. But I've seen how you'll drop out the convo once you're truly challenged and proven wrong.

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290. "I like giving people the last word"
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132. "WAT?!?!"
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toxic masculinity exists in same sex relationships also

LoL

WTF

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84. "toxic masculinity is not used to only describe black men"
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the ways that toxic masculinity is displayed by black men has a particular race dynamic but the term is used to describe certain male behaviors

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95. "emotional health/security/stability are far more accurate terms"
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and are used in the science of the study of human behavior

Everyone wins with this outlook except those that are ignorant and or want people to be

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99. "get over yourself"
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102. "That is an odd response. Not sure we'll connect on it's origin "
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but it would be nice

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105. "you are hurt by the term "toxic masculinity""
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toxic masculinity is a descriptive term for a very academic type of discussion that includes "emotional instability." It's not a term meant to accuse you "Atillah Moor" of being a toxic human who deserves to be shunned.

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108. "Why immediately jump to the "hurt" insult though? That's the go-to"
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response for some reason and it doesn't make sense.

No one's hurt...



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110. "I also am losing patience"
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I am losing patience with his constant diversions and general ignorance in relation to this fairly simple concept. "what about the gays?" "what about white people?" "what about the arabs?" Shit man. How long we gotta do this?

My toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a bitch.

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112. "Am I being confused with someone else"
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>I am losing patience with his constant diversions and general
>ignorance in relation to this fairly simple concept.

The concept is simple when addressed as emotional security. An emotionally secure man is seen as Masculine and attractive so it is impossible for that to be toxic in nature


>"what about the gays?" "what about white people?" "what about the
>arabs?" Shit man. How long we gotta do this?

Huh? Not sure where I made statements of that nature

>My toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a
>bitch.

I'm sure this is more jest than anything else, but

losing patience

coupled with

my toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a bitch

reads like someone is in their feelings

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109. "Quite an assumption when there are reasons like the phrase being off"
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on a fundamental level

if Toxic Masculinity killed Nipsey then using that logic it could be said that it's what decimated the Native Americans as well because that was an endeavor led by a lot of men with the safety of the women they likely abused (and did) being used as one of the many justifications

Toxic Masculinity killed John Lennon should be just as valid a statement right?

It toxic masculinity is a thing then toxic infancy should be one as well since children can naturally be quite narcissistic and that's considered a toxic behavior

>toxic masculinity is a descriptive term for a very academic
>type of discussion that includes "emotional instability." It's
>not a term meant to accuse you "Atillah Moor" of being a toxic
>human who deserves to be shunned.

Black people being born inferior was a VERY academic type of discussion so for me that is not a strong validator

Why would I take personally a phrase that literally makes no sense?

Honestly that comes across as projection and I think my sense of that is supported by logic either missing from this discourse or having no impact meaning one of us is speaking from their emotions which is cool, but not the way I'm able to look at this subject

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114. "release your skepticism about this term and read some of the literature"
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if you take a week or two and read the actual literature you can see how gender, like race, plays a role in all of those simple ass rhetorical questions you just asked. If frances cress welsing called it "toxic masculinity" you wouldn't have as much of a problem with the term.

Scientific racism and misandry says that black men are biologically disposable.
You can see that this is the opposite of scientific racism in that black men are being asked to stop being so violent towards each other and the women they love. The genocide that is being perpetrated against Black men and women by other Black men is not being led by the Feminist men. Male feminists aren't the ones saying Black men are biologically disposable.

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118. "These assumptions are becoming a pattern. I think this is the third time"
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To really believe or think that if a so called black woman held a belief then I wouldn't have a problem with it makes zero sense

Also it sounds like someone is dare I say gaslighting themselves? Hopefully not since that behavior is also narcissisitic and toxic and if you're male...

So this is obviously an emotional issue for you. I understand and you may be more right than wrong. Who knows?





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82. "Violence is not a masculine or feminine trait. "
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Neither masculinity or femininity can be toxic

It's the person's emotional state

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91. "and there isn't one &quot;femininity&quot; or &quot;masculinity&quot;"
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and what's definied as "toxic" is conditional

The way the term has been butchered is fucking retarded

And you can easily rattle off a list of links of incidents of women being horrifically violent to men women and children, as well.

Violence exists.
It's not gendered.
The *punishment* of the perps of violence is gendered, tho.

  

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94. "Agreed. Is it entropy design or both I wonder"
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The way the term has been butchered is fucking retarded

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116. ""masculinity" is not the same thing as "masculine""
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which is why they aren't the same word.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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128. "bruh"
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they just don't get some basics

so.......

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130. "What's the difference?"
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Besides part of speech

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146. "a person can be masculine"
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a person cannot be masculinity.

this is a hint.

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155. "So one is an adjective, the other is a noun? "
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Why are you speaking in riddles? lol

>a person cannot be masculinity.
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>this is a hint.
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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156. "if that's all you need to know in order to know they aren't the same thi..."
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and don't mean the same thing, then sure?

It's not a riddle.

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158. "https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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197. "he's saying sex is not the same as gender"
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182. "what is it when a society promotes violence by a particular gender "
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as a method of resolving emotional conflicts?

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85. "White supremacy has people behaving the opposite of masculine"
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or feminine not toxic versions of those ideals

Black men tend to behave MORE feminine under WS due to black men being taken out of the fathering and husband role for centuries

Emotional thinking and behaving is a feminine trait and when men take on feminine traits greater than their natural allotment of such the result is dysfunction and it's the same for women but with masculinity

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100. "Thank you."
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-30-
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98. "Emotional newspeak-esque term that does it's job pretty well."
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Mofos get emotional-as-hell as soon as you start asking questions. Then accuse YOU of being emotional. I see ya'll.

Folks can't and won't define the bullshit ideas they accept, but get emotional when someone evens questions it. If not being "toxic" means I gotta renounce my manhood, tuck my balls in and be a follower then fuck it.

Some of y'all "men" seem like y'all hate manhood and masculinity. That's a step away from hating yourself.

Fuck it tho. Y'all keep arguing against your own self interests. Allow others to label you. Tell you how you really are. What you *really* meant by what you said. About all the evil shit that you *really* think. How fucked-up you really are, no matter what you do.

lol.

  

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104. "projection is a natural response. We should expect it "
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107. "you don't seem to like the answers you are receiving to your questions"
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and you aren't open to doing more research on your own

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125. "Nah, everything is just another attempt at emotional manipulation..."
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...and not logical reasoning. Including your reply, in-which you decided to tell me about myself.

The EXACT thing I said in the post you replied to. Passive-aggressive "attack the messenger."

That technique only works on the weak minded.


Edit: Also, what "answers to my questions?" Other than RJCC's insults, Marbles is the only person to directly answer me (who gave a reasonable, thought-out answer, by the way).

>you don't seem to like the answers you are receiving to your
>questions

Just more attempts at being misleading. Intellectual dishonesty. It's all in the post.

  

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127. "my fault, the debate ended with you after you called it propaganda"
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Which I don't automatically disagree with because propagandists do use the term to advocate for gender equality.

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117. "Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and George M. Johnson is disgusting"
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Nipsey Hussle wasn't even dead for a week and yet this writer with an agenda decides to use him to attack the black community.

Toxic Masculinity is bullshit because it never applies to white people. Notice the people in power never label/attack other communities as toxic.

Every time I see this term it is used to attack black men. It's ironic as fuck coming from someone looking for "allies" within their ethnic group. You cannot shame a community into accepting the white lgbtia agenda. On one hand black men are evil toxic masculine monsters and literally in the other hand they try to latch onto black men to pursue an agenda that benefits them. You, black gay writer, need to stop this bullshit. Where's the asian gay writer attacking his community?

Can someone show me examples of famous white entertainers with fanbases used to attack their larger community as toxic upon death? This writer is disgusting for this bullshit. I'm noticing a trend between this writer and Richy Rosario authoer of an article blaming black men for rushing to support an actor that faked a hate crime.

George M. Johnson is fucking trash. RIP Nipsey.

  

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120. "The 1st I heard of toxic masculinity it was attached to the "bros""
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Not black men.

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123. "Same. Maybe it's a regional thing"
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133. "that just sounds like the lens you looked at it through"
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there's no race division

  

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165. "i feel like every 80's teen hijinx movie's plot was driven by it"
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324. "first I heard was gamergate"
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124. "almost every single white mass shooter this decade"
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has a screed about Black men fucking "thier" women somewhere in their recent online history, and use it as a justification for why they murder multiple innocents.

Next to no referendums on how posionous their manhoods are, somehow.

Obama uses rap and gold chains as examples of unhealthy masculinity...while wearing a $4K rolex, after spending 8 years bombing the shit out of poverty stricken African nations for business interests.

Shit is transparently a racist ideology, in it's pop culture application

  

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126. "just say you don't read anything"
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if you say toxic masculinity is only used in relation to black men, it's because the only time you've ever heard of it is watching some dusty niggas in a youtube video

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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131. "LoL, exactly. I watch my white women friends on FB or twitter..."
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call out these crazy white boys all damn day

and the black women on twitter who continually call out the knuckledraggers and maga idiots

also gay men, or trans black women calling out white and black toxicity and homophobia daily

notice who isn't included in that

white/black men who identify as straight

only a few spend their time calling out idiots.

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147. "like dude has clearly never listened to one unedited clip"
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of any woman


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150. "LoL"
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unedited

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159. "yes, my friend i mentioned in the initial post doesn't read"
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we talked about that three days ago after he sent me a link about the illinois house approving the teaching of lgbt history in schools. Nigga said he would homeschool his kids. I asked him the last book he read. "Reading books isn't my preference. I get my knowledge through videos and museums."

I mentioned that his not reading was a problem a few months ago because the nigga said he thought sandy hook was a conspiracy.

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163. "all the time, they have these wild opinions and things they hate"
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...but they haven't read a book in 20 years to even know what the terms mean to start with, and the only version of any argument they've seen has come from the scammers pitching some heavily edited version of what the other side is saying.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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174. "Not just books but newspapers too"
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Anti-intellectualism is also a part of toxic masculinity.

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129. "we can hold Nipsey accountable for homophobia"
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and also mourn him

and people are allowed to mourn how they choose to

it may be hurtful to some, but watching all of the stories of LGBT people being killed at such high rates & especially black trans women while famous rappers doing the good work can't extend that to their LGBT brethren in their lyrics or deeds is tragic

it deserves to be called out

you may feel different and that's fine, but it is what it is.

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134. "how are you connecting homophobia to his murder?"
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151. "it's not connected"
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but certain folks choosing this time to call him out can be distasteful to some

i just wish the "no homo" would die

i say pause also, ironically at this point

but i do it as an ally

ya'll just be deifying everyone & can't accept any criticism

but it'll all be okay in the end

sheesh

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135. "Was he a homophobic rapper? "
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I’m not up on his content but what I heard from the Victory album was mostly LA gang thug ish

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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136. "yes"
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https://kulturehub.com/nipsey-hussle-deray-twitter/

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139. "This is garbage"
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141. "deray called him out on one thing"
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but he was talking about another thing. I don't think Deray was wrong for calling him out and I do think that Nipsey could have said "Gay and Straight" instead of "not homo" but Nipsey clearly wanted to push back against an agenda that makes straight Black men be seen as a danger to all.

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142. "My guy, how'd you get, from that exchange, that Nipsey was homophobic?"
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--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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144. "homophobia is like racism"
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it's a method of dehumanization that includes being indifferent to the suffering of gay people

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148. "I didn't get that out of his back-n-forth with Deray..."
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Like I mentioned below, maybe Nipsey didn't have the most educated perspective but it did not appear that he was taking shots or was intentionally looking to harm anyone with his statement/IG caption.

He attempted to acquit himself via the convo with Deray. Apparently, it didn't work because this has come up again since his death. Sadly, none of us knew the cat personally. So, we'll never know his true and current stance on the topic.

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153. "What did you think of what deray said?"
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Was deray being disingenuous?


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157. "No. He wasn't being disingenuous. He was being a supporter and stand-up...."
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guy for what he believes in. After reading through it again, it would have been much better had they gotten to each other, in person, as opposed to doing their best to articulate their points within that limited character set.

I do think, as stated in the piece, that it was a bit far-fetched to label the brother as homophobic. And I think that Nipsey's perspective may have been a little off-base as well because I see tons of representation, of Black men, from all walks of life. At the same time, I can't dispute his experience because he may not have been looking at the same things that I was.

"While the LBGTQ community are indeed still fighting for rights, describing Nipsey’s words as “violent” and “homophobic” are a stretch.

Stating that Blacks don’t have as many straight, positive, non-violent representations may be unfounded and baseless, but it’s an observation, and it does not mean he’s against the cause."

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160. "Get the entire fuck outta here"
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>homophobia is like racism

Show me the homophobic equivalent of Jim Crow... I'll wait.
Show me an impact on the same level as the war on drugs... I'll wait.

This isn't remotely a close comparison in any capacity. Feel free to kumbaya all you want but facts say you're wrong. Recent history reinforces the fact you're wrong.

Homophobia is not equivalent to racism and that is an insult to Black American history. Next thing I know you're going to champion intersectionality.

  

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161. "Nigga it's an analogy"
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It doesn't require a fucking direct one to one comparison.

I will link you up to how gays and lesbians were denied the right to get married like Black people, they currently face job discrimination because of their sexual orientation, they were put in jail or concentration camps for being gay, there is a cultural whitewash through so called gay conversion therapy, niggas in brunei just passed a law saying you can stone gay people to death...

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177. "they are not REMOTELY similar. At all. In any way"
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It ain't apples and oranges, it's apples and telecom sattelites.
It's a nonsensical analogy, that the largely white, upper class LBGT movement tries to shove down our throats to make them seem NOT white & rich.

  

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180. "whatever"
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140. "How is that different that Dave's comments about Hollywood wanting"
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to put every black comedian in a dress?

...with the supporting clips to demonstrate that point...

AND, 1 MORE X FOR THE FOLKS IN THE BACK

WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HIS MURDER?!?

was he also violentphobic

single mother phobic

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143. "I don't think it had anything to do with his murder, which is why "
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I said the essay shoehorning in homophobia and toxic masculinity in the original post is like how niggas are trying to link his murder to Dr. Sebi. I actually thought I could talk about that more in this post but these other niggas have taken the conversation over with their defense of toxic masculinity.

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237. "I agree with what you said here."
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>I said the essay shoehorning in homophobia and toxic
>masculinity in the original post is like how niggas are trying
>to link his murder to Dr. Sebi. I actually thought I could
>talk about that more in this post but these other niggas have
>taken the conversation over with their defense of toxic
>masculinity.

I don't think homophobia has anything to do with his death, and making it about that... is some "he was gonna tell us about Dr. Sebi" shit.

the toxic masculinity discussion is fair to me. a little ambulance chase-y, but it applies.

  

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152. "Lmao. That’s a reach. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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138. "There was an IG post, from several months ago, where Nip offered..."
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the following caption to a photo that is no longer on his IG.

"Demonstration speaks louder than Conversation. They gone feed us every image of our men and boys but this one. No hyper violent...No homo sexual...No abandoners....JUS STRONG BLAC MEN AND YOUNG Men. RESPECT TO MY BIG HOMIE @bigu1 for Leading with love and intelligence. GOD IS WITH US WHO CAN GO AGAINST US 💪🏾"

https://www.theroot.com/nipsey-hussle-homophobia-and-toxic-black-masculinity-1821954848

I don't know if that means he was homophobic or not. It does mean he had an opinion about contributing factors that feed the public's perception of Black men. Maybe not the most educated view but not one that appears to berate, degrade, or reprove anyone for their sexuality.



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145. "could be read homosexuality is anathema to being a strong black man?"
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I can see it being interpreted that way. Can't say if that's being implied or not

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149. "Could definitely be. I just didn't interpret it that way because the dud..."
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https://kulturehub.com/nipsey-hussle-deray-twitter

didn't seem to be taking a shot. Then, I read the exchange found in this link and definitely didn't think dude was homophobic.

IN the end, I think it's in bad taste for these articles to come out now after the bother is gone and doesn't have the opportunity to redeem himself in some folks' eyes or to tell them to kick rocks if he stood by the supposed feelings people believe he held.

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154. "yeah definitely in poor taste"
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> IN the end, I think it's in bad taste for these articles to come out now after the bother is gone and doesn't have the opportunity to redeem himself in some folks' eyes or to tell them to kick rocks if he stood by the supposed feelings people believe he held.

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162. "You live in a country that was taken by guns germs and genocide"
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stop with the toxic masculinity bs.

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164. ""toxic masculinity" is one of the worthless, dumbest terms ever created"
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not a coincidence that RJCC as usual is in this thread losing his mind about folks loathing it

  

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181. "men hating the term &quot;toxic masculinity&quot; is akin to"
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white people hating the term "white privilege".

point being, its real, its a perfectly descriptive phrase, and you should listen and learn what it is, how to root it out of yourself and others and stop trying to deny it exists because you're triggered by it.

If you're actually interested in learning about it, there's a fantastic documentary called "The Mask You Live In", as well as tons of other resources.

if you're not, keep complaining about how much you hate hearing about it.

It's harmful and it kills whether you like the phrase, or not.

and finally, masculinity is beautiful and wonderful and sexy as fuck. but toxic masculinity is a cancer that needs to be rooted out of society and men should be on the FRONT LINES to make that happen. Instead, alot of y'all are burying your heads in the sand and pretending like it doesn't exist, and that you weren't taught it and that you NEVER EVER perpetuate it in any form.

ok.


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198. "The fact that it's not simply called 'toxic behavior' should carry weigh..."
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It's like calling bad ideas or self destructive behavior "toxic creativity"

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215. "sorry no. its tied to the power structure of patriarchy. no Sugar Coat."
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listen and learn.

White people don't get to soften white privilege to make it more palatable as a phrase and men don't get to soften toxic masculinity

its ugly and it needs to be dealt with head on

masculinity can take many forms...and all those forms are acceptable except the toxic ones. periodt. with a capital T.

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344. "it's a feeling and can't be tied to anything until accurately described"
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The toxic behavior men and women engage in comes from insecurity. If people wanted to actually address the issue it would sound more like that, but instead people want to point fingers at genders when men and women both are responsible for not providing what children need to grow into secure adults who are not toxic in their behavior

Trying to cure a cold by dealing with the sound of a cough is how it currently comes across

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191. "toxic masculinity is what made this loser pretend DC movies were good"
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imagine sitting through suicide squad and trying to like it LOL


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166. "everything aint gotta be a thinkpiece."
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169. "Kinda foul to churn out a story like this so soon. "
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Niggas will do anything for a dollar.

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170. "oh but it does "
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183. "what happens when the publisher says the audience needs content"
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and the publisher needs clicks

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173. "So why is America’s murder rate so high, relatively?"
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There are men in every country. If toxic masculinity was the only factor behind acts like this, murder rates would be roughly the same in every country. What is the argument, that America is somehow several degrees more patriarchal than most westernized countries? There is no empirical data that proves that. Think deeper.

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175. "Does gender not play a role at all in heightened levels of violence"
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Am i supposed to just ignore what is clearly in front of my face?

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178. "not in the absolutist sense that "toxic masculinity" implies, no"
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American gender is racialized and capitalized/monetized, on top of the natural variance that sex (M/F) already naturally has due to human difference. So no, you can't just sprinkle some "toxic masculinity' on American violence to make it make sense, lol.

The combination of all those moving pieces makes a concept like "toxic masculinity" as it's used, laughably inadequate.

  

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179. "Sorry my post title threw you off"
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I sensationalized it to get clicks and look what happened

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184. "what point are you trying to make?"
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185. "your reading comprehension is poor"
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187. "Ok, player, lol"
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190. "imagine being a person who can't read"
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that tries to use the word absolutist to win arguments without ever knowing its definition

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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192. "Imagine being a nigga called Goose"
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Who has to pretend to be tough on a message board when in reality a strong toddler could stomp your ass out.

  

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195. "Damn"
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Goose?

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227. "lmfaooo @ "a strong toddler""
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>Who has to pretend to be tough on a message board when in
>reality a strong toddler could stomp your ass out.

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235. "in reality, the babysitter's club doesn't exist."
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you want to try and stomp me out, come through.

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247. "cool display of toxic masculinity"
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lolz

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189. "why do you think that men are toxic masculinity?"
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and that varying murder rates -- that I don't think you're actually looking up

are the only statistic mentionable?

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186. "good lord"
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November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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193. "He was killed by an informant working for "toxic white masculinity""
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(which is what the gov't is.. toxic white masculinity)
But I've noticed that hasn't been mentioned much in here... nor is it a choice on the poll. What we DO have in here are folks rushing to reduce this to some everyday occurrence of "black-on-black crime" even tho this situation is far from normal, considering the way he was shot, the fact that the getaway driver wasn't even arrested (no, seriously), and the shooter is an informant. Nipsey was signed to a major record label and was also pushing multiple messages that are bad business for the maintenance of white supremacy. Black people buying land/buying the block up and starting businesses, eating healthier, getting black folks into coding, buying appreciating assets, ending gang violence. To that last point, he wrote a letter to the police department requesting a meeting to work on solutions to gang violence (he was killed a day or two before that meeting was to take place, btw). He was so thorough that denying him would be far too obvious. But some of yall will buy it hook, line, and sinker if another black person kills him, because you hate yourselves that goddamn much. Even when the killer works for them. If you're just totally convinced that this was some random shooting, then you should probably do yourself a favor and read up on how black revolutionaries have been killed by the gov't in the past. This situation doesn't pass the smell test. Also, nbcnews can kiss my ass putting out this "toxic black masculinity" garbage when they have zero articles about "toxic white masculinity" which has been around long before white pseudoscience even classified Black males as men. That's right, the concept of black manhood and womanhood are barely a century old in this country... which should inform and change how some of yall view this "toxicity" concept and the real source of it, but I know how most of yall get down. Blaming the black male is white supremacy's most consistent scapegoat route, and the bulk of you niggas are right on board on some de facto white supremacist bullshit. Shout out to the 4 or 5 trill people left on here putting enough respect on Nip's name to question what REALLY happened here.

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196. "^^^^^"
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199. "i was with you on the first point"
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yes, the informant/gang member/offended party/murderer was probably working for the police. The police and the military (and their collaborators in hollywood and the church) are the worst offenders in maintaining and spreading the concepts of white male toxic masculinity from the individual level, to the family unit, to a global scale.

The rest of your comment is what seems to be getting confused here. I don't absolve black people from playing a role, however unwittingly, in carrying out the wishes of the police and military propagandists that seek to spread their devotion to patriarchal domination. Nipsey was killed by these factors being displayed within a Black culture that is bastardized by white supremacists and developed in reaction to white patriarchal violence.

People don't hate themselves because they use the term toxic masculinity. If anything, like Damali said, they want to see Black people prosper and rooting out the concepts associated with sexism will allow us to do so.

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230. "RE: i was with you on the first point"
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>yes, the informant/gang member/offended party/murderer was
>probably working for the police. The police and the military
>(and their collaborators in hollywood and the church) are the
>worst offenders in maintaining and spreading the concepts of
>white male toxic masculinity from the individual level, to the
>family unit, to a global scale.



Well at least one of you can admit that much.


>The rest of your comment is what seems to be getting confused
>here. I don't absolve black people from playing a role,
>however unwittingly, in carrying out the wishes of the police
>and military propagandists that seek to spread their devotion
>to patriarchal domination. Nipsey was killed by these factors
>being displayed within a Black culture that is bastardized by
>white supremacists and developed in reaction to white
>patriarchal violence.


Your conclusion here is problematic. Black culture is not simply bastardized by white supremacists, but terrorized, tortured, oppressed, vultured, monitored and ultimately controlled by white supremacists. Also, to say that Nipsey's murder is the result of a Black culture that was developed in reaction to white patriarchal violence, is to say that Black culture is nothing but violent and murderous. This is problematic because many great accomplishments by many great people were indeed reactions to white patriarchal violence. THAT is the Black culture created in reaction to white patriarchal violence. What you seem to be addressing is the culture that is terrorized, oppressed, controlled, etc. The truth is that this kind of violence is born of extreme poverty and scarcity. Crime rates rise under these conditions. As I mentioned in my original comment, when you consider the peculiar way in which Black males and females have historically been treated concerning gender in this country up to the present, you get a myriad of issues. To place any blame at all on the black community itself is, essentially, to victim blame... which is pretty ironic given the topic here. You cannot fix the black community without fixing the terrorism of the community. The problem is white terrorism, white patriarchy, white toxic masculinity, all the white shit.


>People don't hate themselves because they use the term toxic
>masculinity. If anything, like Damali said, they want to see
>Black people prosper and rooting out the concepts associated
>with sexism will allow us to do so.

The quote from the article doesn't just say "toxic masculinity." It says "toxic black masculinity" which was part of my issue, seeing how nbcnews.com doesn't have articles talking about toxic WHITE masculinity. If you gonna victim-blame black people for their own oppression, at least blame them last after you spend all the decades it'll take to talk about the fault of white people. To that end, Black people rushing to victim-blame Black people is, indeed, self-hatred and de facto white supremacist action. White folks been making up pseudoscience to blame Black people for centuries now. It's like they said it for hundreds of years until certain negros actually believe it.


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240. ""certain negros actually believe it""
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Yuuuuup.

  

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241. "Black men have to take responsibility in addressing the symptoms"
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Of patriarchy and sexism in ourselves and our communities, otherwise we will continue to project the white supremacists distorted views of masculinity into the people and places we love.

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260. "Respectability politics... Black oppression baked into American culture"
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>Of patriarchy and sexism in ourselves and our communities,
>otherwise we will continue to project the white supremacists
>distorted views of masculinity into the people and places we
>love.


Keep in mind that you yourself said Black culture was "bastardized BY white supremacists and created in reaction to patriarchal violence." I expounded upon that in my reply, but let's just stick with what you've said. There are two concepts at play within your own statement: white supremacy and patriarchy. These are concepts of domination and control which Black American lives have always been subject to and in the context of.
To the point:
For something to "bastardize" your culture, that means it INTENTIONALLY lowers the quality of your life. Please follow me here. This is why I mentioned crime rates statistically being higher in poor areas. Black poverty and scarcity is INTENTIONALLY created by white supremacy in many ways that are baked into American society. It's on autopilot. White people don't even have to think about how they're harming Black people. They don't have to be intentional about it. Most people just follow the culture they're born into, and bastardizing OUR culture is baked into THEIR culture. That said, sure, Black people can be 'woke' and work on ourselves within our oppression. However, to truly rid our community and culture of the symptoms of white terrorism, we have to end white terrorism. Just as white people don't have to think about how their culture bastardizes ours because it's baked into their culture, Black people collectively also should not have to think about equality and basic survival the way we do. It should be as normal as it is for white folks. Of course that's not our reality in America, but that's what the fight should be for... not simply to HAVE to be something beyond human so that we can live normal, healthy lives. White supremacy and white patriarchy have to be handled, because this is the context in which our communities exist. You said it yourself that they have the power to "bastardize" our culture. Them having that power means we're not in control of the direction of our COLLECTIVE communities. You're essentially talking respectability politics which we've seen does not work. This also falsely assumes that Black men haven't BEEN out here doing work in our communities since the end of slavery and is lightweight offensive.

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268. "ok bro"
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200. "Word em up, Sun!"
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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201. "The Sebi Conspiracy has evolved to this new strand of thinking I see. "
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202. "Take a day off fam"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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208. "BASICALLY/ Check this out: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything..."
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https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything-can-be-anything

a great episode on conspiracy theories

especially Jelani Cobb's jawnt on the deaths of ferguson activists

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211. "lol"
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214. "i'ma be honest, my mind went to him meeting with LAPD "
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Dr. Sebi is a little out there for me but a lot of these anti-vaxers are totally convinced the government is performing massive tuskeegee experiments.

and Chris Dorner's manifesto and wild murder spree is what got me tripping.

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219. "I mean the idea the government killed him because he is working with... "
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the government seems out there to me.

Also the government would have a much easier means to neutralize him like they do so many similar situated black men, harras him and arrest him on trumped up bullshit charges.


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232. "Your lack of intelligence is staggering, my dude."
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Not only was that not the only reason I listed, but if the gov't wanna get rid of a gang member, what's the easiest thing you niggas will believe? Oh nvm.

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231. "You've admitted to being dumb and getting dumber."
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Even said you can't read books anymore, so you've long made a fool of yourself and anyone who's dumb enough to consistently agree with you.
This silly response of yours is just more of you throwing everything in the same pot that falls outside of your extremely uninformed worldview. Since you already know you're dumb and want to be a part of the conversation, you could at least do so with some humility, yet you choose to be arrogantly dumb. What level of fuck niggadry are you trying to reach? You're currently about maxed out.





And stop sending me PM's telling me you fuck with me and then saying bullshit like this to me in public. If you fuck with me, you can show it by respecting my viewpoints enough to read them like I'm an individual and actually replying to what I'm saying rather than trying to antagonize. If not, skydive without a parachute.





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204. "the very first reply placed blame on criminal informant policy tho"
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-30-
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233. "Subsequent responses by the same poster tell his story..."
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so not only did reply 1 not mention "toxic white masculinity" but it came off like lip service when shit hit the fan, especially when you can cosign statements like
> Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks
>do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.
White folks aren't disconnected from those things, yet white patriarchy is hegemonic, meaning only a certain (white) group of males is included. Other males are termed "subordinate" and are targeted for subjugation and/or elimination. So this idea yall keep submitting is deeply flawed. There's a really good reason Black men react this way to being called patriarchal, and when you consider the historical labeling of black males as rapists and beasts, even while black males were enslaved, there's really good reason why we don't react well to being called "toxic" by a society that has always treated us as toxic regardless of how we've conducted ourselves... and that continues to happen. The only difference now is that some of our own are Team White Supremacy and have joined this centuries-long jihad against us.

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239. "shit really ain't rocket science"
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ADOS Black people (especially the men) have been fighting against oppression and stereotypes to be autonomous & self-defined entities whole time we've been here.
But put the same white supremacist concepts of Black male inhumanity in a "liberal" framework, and we're supposed to accept it uncritically.
FOH

  

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275. "Extremely lucid & succinct synopis, Blak!"
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*Daps*




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243. "literally nobody here is calling black men toxic tho."
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-30-
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256. "You gonna stick to this lie? You literally thanked someone who went"
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on a screed about it.
On top of that, why are you not thanking reply 18 as well if you don't agree with the article specifically calling Black men toxic? You just gonna overlook that part of the article and not check it, then pretend you're not with it, even tho you're in here cosigning ppl who obviously are? You're being completely dishonest.

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259. "clipsed ain't say black men was toxic tho."
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261. "So you are sticking to your lie. Cool."
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262. "and you're sticking to failing to comprehend people. peace."
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265. "Now you're trying to blame your lie on me. Peace."
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221. "you ever notice that boogie is always down for the conspiracy"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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234. "Definitely not willing to overlook it in a case like this."
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Ever notice that your contributions to actual discussion hover right around 0% ?

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206. "I don't have stats or anything so I could be incredibly off on this"
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But I'd be shocked if women picked up guns and went out solving problems with their index fingers anywhere NEAR the rate that men do.

Not saying that NEVER happens obviously, although angry women seem to go for more devious/less abrupt means of revenge

I think it goes back to childhood when boys were having toy guns and GI Joe being marketed to them and women were given Barbies and easy bake ovens and shit. That plus lack of access to mental health, extremely easy access to guns= here we are.

Not really sure why that article is trying to tie homophobia into Nipsey's murder, it seems like the writer wanted to write about that subject and thought this would be a good way to get eyes on his story since Nipsey's death caught a lot of people's attention

I understand people feeling some type of way about that IG comment but he's dead now and we don't have any reason to believe it had to do with that

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207. "Yeah. Women don’t shoot guns...they fuck their man’s best friend"
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That psychological warfare.



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209. "24 people shot in Chicago within the past 30 hrs...."
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213. "This sounds kinda Fox newsish"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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216. "your lens"
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not mine

stating a fact, doesn't categorize or color it

you did.

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217. "Kinda? lol. It's straight from the playbook. Just blurt out some shit..."
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...that's emotionally charged.

  

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220. "Haha... I was trying to be nice. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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226. "Let Nipsey say it instead:"
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https://www.facebook.com/1588520728079579/posts/2262955920636053?sfns=mo

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298. "^^^^^"
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Thank you for finding this clip.

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212. "I heard a woman was the getaway driver "
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218. "Oh is that why he got caught?"
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JOKING LADIES!

I'm sure you're just as talented at driving/being an accessory to murder as any Man

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222. "guess what this is called"
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"I think it goes back to childhood when boys were having toy guns and GI Joe being marketed to them and women were given Barbies and easy bake ovens and shit. That plus lack of access to mental health, extremely easy access to guns= here we are."


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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223. "Umm, did you think I WASN'T agreeing with you?"
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248. "lol"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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287. "is there something about the things I've posted here"
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that would suggest that if I felt you were disagreeing with me, I would not mention that?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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210. "Religion is to blame for toxic masculinity."
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224. "The sins of NWA/Too Short/Ice-T/2 Live Crew is coming back to"
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make 'us' all pay. That's the only way I see how the term 'toxic masculinity' can be attached to something so unrelated and why it seems to mostly apply to Black men. They really tried to dismantle it (explicit hip hop) during the Golden Era but lacked the proper movement and terminology to gain traction. Times change 30 years later and now is the time to strike and really make an impact. Whenever something tragic happens to somebody and a Black male is involved, and especially within the hip hop community, it must be due to toxic masculinity. They tried that logic with NWA/etc., back in the day but instead of silencing them, it made them stronger. Now that lgbtqia got their weight up, white supremacy is back to being more open, and feminism is stronger, they can hit their targets and leave a mark. Or better yet, wipe them out completely. Lgbtqia can hit rappers like NWA....or hip hop in general. They tried with Eminem but failed. With Black artists they will probably succeed. White supremacists will hit rappers like Public Enemy, Kweli or 'conscious' hip hop. Feminists will hit rappers like Too Short/Ice-T/2LC. These groups are not separate but very intersectional where you can have a white supremacist, feminist, lesbian.

Speaking of 30 years, how is the defendant Eric Holder being represented by Chris Darden? Does Eric have bread like that? And is it really toxic masculinity if the defendant is mentally ill?

We all have issues but toxic masculinity does not apply here.
And if you are going to use it, apply it to all. Duke rape cases, heavy metal music, police shootings, school shootings, church shootings, church burnings, lynchings, Ed Buck, Bill Clinton, President 45, Walt Disney films, Western films, etc. I should've seen that term 'toxic masculinity' all over the place then....not just now.

RIP Nipsey Hussle

  

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229. "how stupid is this motherfucker"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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263. "aspiring to be like you"
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my goal is accomplished.

  

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249. "i know this is a music website, but good god this take is dumb"
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so west coast music is the reason gang violence and toxic masculinity exist?!?!

LOL

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264. "right, because 2 Live Crew is from California"
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you read the subject title but didn't bother to read the rest. it is not what i said at all.

  

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272. "If we're exploring reasons why, one big one is men raised by single moms"
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https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/265860/

  

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300. "nigga shut up"
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387. "No reason for this hostility on the Internet, man."
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225. "Everyone in here needs to take a step back and breathe "
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Jokers are all over the place arguing and missing the main point. As a culture, we need to reevaluate our value for human life and focus on that aspect first. Jesus help us.



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244. "Are you talking about our "Culture of Violence?""
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>Jokers are all over the place arguing and missing the main
>point. As a culture, we need to reevaluate our value for human
>life and focus on that aspect first. Jesus help us.

The culture that leads to "Black-on-Black Crime?"

  

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255. "the culture that forces us to say "black lives matter""
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the value of black life is treated with short worth

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258. "Black People and Culture. You know exactly what I mean"
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Black culture is not a culture of violence. That is some racist logic there.


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270. "I could post a lot of articles about black crime & incarceration rates....."
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...as well as all sorts of horrible individual news stories where black people are committing crimes (like folks in this post are doing).

I could blurt out how 24 people were shot in 30 hours in Chicago the other day.


You see where this is going, and how it relates?

  

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281. "None of what you said proves that "
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Black culture is not a culture of violence. For you to even try to make that point shows a lot.

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299. "I'm making a point here that you're completely missing."
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>Black culture is not a culture of violence. For you to even
>try to make that point shows a lot.

I made THE SAME argument for "Culture of Violence" that people have made for "Toxic Masculinity." Even talking about using THE SAME examples.

You dismiss one but accept the other, although the arguments for them are the same (who commits all the crimes?).


Says a lot that this simple comparison flew right over your head, man.

  

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330. "Nothing flew over my head. "
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I made a clear statement about how "we need to reevaluate our value for human life and focus on that aspect first."

You asked is I was talking about a "Culture of Violence" and linked it to Black-on-Black Crime, and I was talking about Black people and our culture, which is not a culture of violence.

You then proceeded to try to argue against a point that I never made.

So miss me with thinking something flew over my head.


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250. "holy shit we are stupid, lol"
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every single one of us lol

including me...bc even if i wasn't before today...i read through this stupidity

niggas legit mad at a term bc they feel it targets them and then resist the comparisons to how white folks get up in arms about white privilege

legs talking about women cheating as their version of toxicity as if the scariest part of that scenario isn't who is going to be shot first by the one of the male parties...the guy or the cheating woman? (obvious exaggeration)

some things can be conceded...yes...humans are pretty toxic regardless of gender and yes women can display masculine traits and hence engage in many of the same brands of toxicity...we don't have a monopoly on toxic masculinity

some of the toxicity is cultural while others "feel" like shit we just evolved beyond needing that we can't quite weed out so blaming black male toxicity on white male toxicity also feels like yet another "not I" moment

where the fuck is the rapture at man?


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251. "wakanda"
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252. "Language has power."
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The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.
--Malcolm X


Social media is "media." It's "stupid" to not look at how these language games could possibly fit into the bigger picture.

  

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253. "Winky Dinky Dog..."
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I came back in here to offer e'rybopdy some hoecakes because the entire thing is bananas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msbo6TiwA5A

We can't even, at these more mature ages, have conversations without the ad hominem. Phuck all the other fallacies. This is the one that derails more conversations than any.

It's some legit smart folks in here but mofos can't have civil conversations to save their toxic ass lives.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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257. "^^^^"
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How many topics have come here to die smh

People feel enlarged when they skewer someone

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

  

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254. "somebody needs to rapture this post! Just lock it"
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266. "See. This is how black men are the white people of black people"
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>niggas legit mad at a term bc they feel it targets them and
>then resist the comparisons to how white folks get up in arms
>about white privilege

You cannot even have a conversation about masculinity, what toxic masculinity is, and how the ways we are raised to "be men" are harmful to our communities and ourselves without niggas getting too hurt to even see past the supposed "attack" on who they are.


And I'm out, cuz the hounds finna be on me for using that opening statement that triggers them so much.

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267. "issue is, there are people who disagree with the premise and the "
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conclusions that follow, for a variety of reasons

Vs.

people who buy the premise and conclusion, but can't accept the idea that the first group exists in good faith. Those who disagree can only do so because of their adherence to the concept in question.

hella dogmatic, really.

  

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271. "i accept that what you are saying is honest"
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I think what you're saying could really have expanded this conversation to how white supremacists perpetrate toxic masculinity through the criminal justice system, former prosecutors turned criminal defense lawyers, the use of confidential informants, policing by city cops in black neighborhoods, ubiquitous gun culture, etc. We could have really talked about white men throughout this whole damn post.

We could have had a good discussion about nbc news is a bastion of toxic masculinity due to its consistent push for global war demonizing arab men as terrorists, protection of sexual predators like Matt Lauer and Donald Trump, etc. The ENTIRE POST could have been about toxic masculinity in white culture. Did toxic masculinity convince the LAPD to let the woman who was Eric Holder's getaway driver go? Was she manipulated by Eric Holder or was she a willing participant in a hit?

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273. "...but I don't believe in your dogma about toxic masculinity, lol"
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That's the point.

Yes, we could have talked about that, if I thought the theory was empirically sound...but I don't, so we didn't.

You could have explored why the people in the thread doubt the theory by asking them to explain their position, but you didn't, cuz clearly we're heretics/toxic males to have doubt.

Shit's kinda fascinating, really. The degree to which your position mirrors one of faith-based belief is wild.

  

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274. "Why ask when they came in with guns blazing"
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Which clearly boils down to black men assuming the term is a tool of gays, feminists, and racists to demonize black men for existing. I can definitely see that perspective no matter how much I disagree with the idea because so many of the detractors are indifferent to the struggles of gays and women.

We couldn't talk about any of those gendered aspects of the American criminal justice system because black men think about hiphop the same way that white people think about the police. Black men think hiphop is a bastion of raw energy and mental acuity that shouldn't be criticized by women, gays, whites, black people from the suburbs who have never really been to the hood and could never understand the level of realness it takes to be an officer in the gang infested ghettos of black america, etc. Hiphop is so connected to Black male identity that even the questioning of how it plays a role in the spread of white supremacy and the behaviors associated with toxic masculinity, it's like you're talking to a blue lives matter nigga.

I'm not saying any of this as if I'm above it. I'm saying that it is in me too. Like clipse said, it's in him too!

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276. "Everything you just wrote about "
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Black men & boys and hip hop is a stereotype, tho, lol
People look sideways at white folks & buppies cuz they claim people sell drugs/kill cuz rap music, and not cuz of poverty, PTSD or mental illness
But all REAL sociology and criminology, and economics says the opposite.
Poverty affects us way more than music does
Poverty affects us more than gender/"toxic masculinity" does.

I dont think people are coming in guns blazing...I just think they've turned around a concept thats almost *exclusively * used against us and see it's flaws *shrug*. Ain't nothing wrong with critical analysis.


  

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277. "What does poverty have to do with white men like matt lauer"
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Sexually harrassing his coworkers?

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280. "What does Matt Lauer have to do with nipsey's murder, lol?"
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Are we now saying that "toxic masculinity" is when any man, anywhere, committs a crime or abuses power?

If so, that makes even less sense. Because then we're just creating a new term for male perpetrated crimes, and halfway assigning criminality to men, as a class.

  

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308. "not sure i get the point about stereotypes"
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nobody is saying hip hop is the sole vehicle for toxic masculinity

i agree the term is pretty useless overall but mostly bc people aren't good at nuance

toxic machismo might be a better term if for nothing else then bc it's less triggering

but whether you get your dose of toxic masculinity from hiphop, peers, yt...it doesn't matter...it's self-reinforcing...it's a great vehicle for us bc of it's influence

it's influence isn't solely felt by "US" either...it's just a vehicle and their are tons of other vehicles in traffic with it

language is interesting and most of the disagreement with the term seems to center around "but i'm a man" unfortunately

i don't even think the "well, it originally was used in this specific context" bc that's not how language works...it went from micro to macro

if you want to account for triggered folks who get really upset that they may too be part of a problem...go with toxic machismo lol

but it's used to describe some pretty specific patterns and it's not something that men have a monopoly on.

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311. "essentially TM as a concept attempts to push certain behaviors"
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to one gender.

before we get to the problems with the "gender" part, lets look at the behaviors.
Violence? Aggression? Stoicism? Sexual entitlement? Etc, etc, etc.

Well, problem is, almost none of these "toxic" behaviors are universally toxic. Or even universal, lol.
They're contextual.
Stoicism/emotional regulation is a big part of appropriate conflict resolution.
Aggression is a problem until it's time to protect yourself, or pursuit a career goal. Or even approach a woman/man that you're attracted to.
Sexual entitlement is *this* far away from a healthy sense of sexual self-awareness/self-possession.

Etc, etc, etc....if we can't cleary define the "toxic" beyond "we know it when we see it", it's another pointless ass term that we love to toss around to sound smart.

Also re: toxic - the idea that *behaviors* is due to gender or any itrinsic factor doesn't make any sense. People are products of environment. "Maleness" isn't an environmental factor, it's a biological reality. So if we gonna talk about the problems of TM in "gang culture", is the maleness the problem, or the socio-economic shit that put all those pieces in place? PTSD? Poverty? Gentrification?

And to me THAT is the danger of this kind of gender theory...it dsimisses material reality that we KNOW affects people, and replaces it with a murkily definded form of quasi-morality that isn't actionable or consistent or proven to be real.

People aren't "triggered" by the term. People just don't think it makes sense.

I mean look in this discussion, lol
The name calling, dismissals and murky responses, ain't coming from the people who question TM, lol.

If we want to call it machismo, okay, cool...but all the same problems apply.

  

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319. "RE: essentially TM as a concept attempts to push certain behaviors"
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>to one gender.
>


this has been addressed. masculinity isn't the same as male


>before we get to the problems with the "gender" part, lets
>look at the behaviors.
>Violence? Aggression? Stoicism? Sexual entitlement? Etc, etc,
>etc.
>

some forms of violence have been integrated with social expectations of masculinity which is the whole point...women can be masculine...women do display the same behaviors as men but the numbers are different and they are often discouraged to take on those masculine traits socially while men are often encouraged to. which is why i called it machismo bc that's a part of cultural masculinity...masculinity isn't a biological term...it can be influence by biological imperatives but the emphasis is on the social conditioning

>Well, problem is, almost none of these "toxic" behaviors are
>universally toxic. Or even universal, lol.
>They're contextual.

yea, and in this context they are being deemed harmful or detrimental or toxic

>Stoicism/emotional regulation is a big part of appropriate
>conflict resolution.
>Aggression is a problem until it's time to protect yourself,
>or pursuit a career goal. Or even approach a woman/man that
>you're attracted to.
>Sexual entitlement is *this* far away from a healthy sense of
>sexual self-awareness/self-possession.
>

calling masculinity toxic doesn't make the non-toxic versions of those traits toxic by association...they are toxic when they fit the pattern of men largely being discouraged in the emotional intelligence department and often encouraged or seen as more masculine when those other qualities are used in normal social situations

>Etc, etc, etc....if we can't cleary define the "toxic" beyond
>"we know it when we see it", it's another pointless ass term
>that we love to toss around to sound smart.
>

i don't agree that's how it's being presented

>Also re: toxic - the idea that *behaviors* is due to gender or
>any itrinsic factor doesn't make any sense. People are
>products of environment. "Maleness" isn't an environmental
>factor, it's a biological reality. So if we gonna talk about
>the problems of TM in "gang culture", is the maleness the
>problem, or the socio-economic shit that put all those pieces
>in place? PTSD? Poverty? Gentrification?
>

it's not due to masculinity but the social conditioning/expectations around masculinity

>And to me THAT is the danger of this kind of gender
>theory...it dsimisses material reality that we KNOW affects
>people, and replaces it with a murkily definded form of
>quasi-morality that isn't actionable or consistent or proven
>to be real.
>
>People aren't "triggered" by the term. People just don't think
>it makes sense.
>

yes some people don't comprehend it...doesn't mean it doesn't make sense and yes being defensive is a great way to not get it


>I mean look in this discussion, lol
>The name calling, dismissals and murky responses, ain't coming
>from the people who question TM, lol.
>

that proves nothing lol

>If we want to call it machismo, okay, cool...but all the same
>problems apply.

wat?

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278. "Rereading your post, it's even more troubling"
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A genre of music is your theoretical basis for analyzing Black Male identity.

That's insane. And racist as hell, lol
You're saying 40+ multi-degreed me, 21 year old high school dropout Kodak Black and 30+ nipsey can be sociologically known as the same through a category of music? Your identity is thru rap music?

Nigga.
No.

  

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279. "you really can't comprehend what you're reading"
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282. "And here we are with the name calling again, lol"
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Do better, bruh.
How you gonna talk all this "toxic masculinity" rahrah, then respond like that?

  

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283. "You too smart for me doc"
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We clearly not going to agree on this

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288. "we're in a place where exclusively internet cats like boogie"
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are trying to explain to actual LA dudes about violence in their city.

wow

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289. "he ain't really concerned with what's going on out here."
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he's concerned with looking like he got secret info that nobody else got.

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295. "they want to drive the bus no matter where it's going"
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that's all it is.

I wish they expended more energy on doing anything at all.

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303. "You aren't concerned with what's going on with Black people in general"
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>he's concerned with looking like he got secret info that
>nobody else got.

I do have info yall don't have, but it's nothing secret. It's just stuff that yall are too lazy to read and too willing to blame Black men to understand. This is obvious from the ridiculousness yall have spouted in this post.

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307. "I love watching these losers expose themselves"
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291. "Reading this whole post, I'm so glad"
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That cats like you, Ike, and Clipsed came in with common sense. Shit's crazy., like Ike said the problem is with the Criminal Informant stuff.

This site has gone completely bananas.

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292. "Nah"
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The naame side laid down, didn't offer strong rebuttals and counters to kayru99 and Boogie.

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297. "Respect"
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293. "Lol. Give one. Just one example of RJCC talking common sense in this pos..."
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Dude said not one thing in here.

I appreciate Ike and eclipse for sharing their original thoughts on this challenging issue.

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294. "we understand that your game is pitching yourself as the judge"
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we just don't care.

you gotta have people for that. you have to establish respectability.

there are steps.

it's a whole thing.

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296. "you just can't take a lot of these cats seriously"
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I understand they need space to vent or whatever, but shit's old. they should be able to do better by now.

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346. "this site has been completely bananas for a LONG time"
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302. "Kenyatta Griggs and Tariq Nasheed both knew Nipsey personally"
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They both suspect foul play.
Ike admittedly ain't no street dude and he only heard stories from his mom about Nipsey's mom. Did know Nipsey at all, so how is his perspective any more relevant than anyone else's? Of course you won't answer this.
My response to the post was also that the situation is worth questioning. The only thing I "explained" to Ike was how his comparison of Black men to white people is deeply flawed.
Of course you don't care how false anything you say is. You've shown in here that you can't even challenge my ideas, so you have to resort to a half-assed attempt at disparaging me, lol. Shit is comedy that you made a whole subthread about me but never made a real contribution to the discussion.

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304. "I ain't no 'street dude' but I know the neighborhood."
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I still live here.

I know it don't take no contract or master plan to murder a Shining Black Prince.

All it takes is a coward with a handgun. All it takes is a man not able to contain his emotions. All it takes is a brother not willing to be held accountable for his past transgressions.

That's the hard truth here. And all that spy thriller fiction is just distracting us from the real struggle.

I'm done with this shit tho.

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312. "So does Kenyatta Griggs"
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>I still live here.
>
>I know it don't take no contract or master plan to murder a
>Shining Black Prince.
>
>All it takes is a coward with a handgun. All it takes is a man
>not able to contain his emotions. All it takes is a brother
>not willing to be held accountable for his past
>transgressions.


Well that's true of any situation anywhere.


>That's the hard truth here. And all that spy thriller fiction
>is just distracting us from the real struggle.
>
>I'm done with this shit tho.


Yeah that's fine and all, but even Nipsey's brother Samiel suspects foul play.



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305. "Dawg you don't get citing Tariq Nasheed outside the circles you run"
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hurts your point more than help?

And yet you find a way to work him in most convos?



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313. "And Kenyatta Griggs and Samiel Asghedom?"
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Does mentioning them hurt my point as well?
They both suspect foul play.
And how many of you have found and released the names and photos of white criminals that the media tries to protect? Tariq has done this multiple times. He's out in front of stories, breaking news in our community that 'major' outlets don't even have. I don't care how yall feel about him, he's putting in important work that yall's favorite outlets aren't putting in. He's also from L.A. and knows the city, so what exactly is your point? Nvm, you never have one.

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345. "I'll bite. What exactly did Kenyatta Griggs and Samiel Asghedom say?"
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Can you provide links. And if it's two hour youtube videos can you time stamp the relevant portions?

You drop their names like they are hot but I'd like to see the basis for you/their claims. I mean their definitely was foul play, dude was murdered.

If you already posted it above forgive me, this posts got too bama'd up to read everything here.



>Does mentioning them hurt my point as well?
>They both suspect foul play.
>And how many of you have found and released the names and
>photos of white criminals that the media tries to protect?
>Tariq has done this multiple times. He's out in front of
>stories, breaking news in our community that 'major' outlets
>don't even have. I don't care how yall feel about him, he's
>putting in important work that yall's favorite outlets aren't
>putting in. He's also from L.A. and knows the city, so what
>exactly is your point? Nvm, you never have one.
>
>


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351. "Suffice to say they're not ruling out a "conspiracy" "
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Lol @ "like they are hot." If you don't know who Samiel is, you might need to exit this part of the thread. Google is your friend.
Samiel is his brother who gave him CPR before the ambulance took him away.
Kenyatta is a long-time friend who was in consistent contact with him in person and knew his parents, siblings, gf, etc.
They're both from L.A. btw, obviously. Since that's been posited as a mark of credibility, surely being his close friend or biological brother and at the scene of the murder lend one some extra credibility.
You can find the article about his brother online and the videos of Kenyatta talking about it on youtube if you really care to hear what he has to say. If yall don't even care enough to find it and listen, then perhaps stop telling me I'm trippin.




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359. "no one has said you're "trippin""
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just said you were kind of a loser who thinks watching a tariq nasheed video makes him an expert.

be specific

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Fri Apr-12-19 09:48 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

See it's this type of jumping to conclusions or shotty comprehension that makes people question your shit.


I read the article interviewing his brother when it dropped. No where in it does he mention a government conspiracy.

So forgive me for not taking your word as to what these people said, it should be easy for you to show receipts.

Seeing that you haven't so far makes me suspect you might be pulling this out your ass.

Redeem yourself. Receipts please.



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388. "And I told you to watch Griggs for yourself"
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>I read the article interviewing his brother when it dropped.
>No where in it does he mention a government conspiracy.

And nowhere did I mention the word "government" in the reply you're replying to, so "jumping to conclusions or shotty comprehension" is total projection on your part. Get your frantic ass shit together,find the very-easy-to-find clips of Griggs on youtube, and stop being uninformed on purpose. Btw, Griggs actually does mention the government.

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364. "."
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306. "yes, explain that your internet only rambling comes from tariq"
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please go into deep detail about how that loser is your guiding light.

keep talking


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314. "Explain why you're ignoring Nipsey's own brother and Kenyatta Griggs"
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in favor of the centuries-old "blame the black male" trick.

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342. "who's ignoring anybody? I said keep motherfucking talking boy"
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don't shut up and point fingers now

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349. "Exactly. Suddenly, being from L.A. isn't your criteria for credibility f..."
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Nipsey's biological brother, his close friend, and a man he wanted to do movies with, all from L.A. who suspect foul play in his murder. How do you suspect Ike knows more about this situation than the 3 off them.

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350. "who's the man he wanted to do movies with?"
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talk in detail go on don't stop talking boy.

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352. "Don't back down now. Why is Ike more credible that all 3 of these ppl?"
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These ppl who live in the same city of 4 million ppl, but were actually close to Nispey.

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354. "I've kept the same energy from the start."
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you want to change the subject boy.

you know why you do.

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356. "Don't be a coward. You were saying living in L.A. lends credibility"
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to ppl's views on this subject.

We see why you're moving on from that now tho.

This is always too easy with you. Lol



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357. "let's see, what did I say?"
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"306. yes, explain that your internet only rambling comes from tariq

please go into deep detail about how that loser is your guiding light."

consistency.

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358. "Still being a coward. Typical"
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288. we're in a place where exclusively internet cats like boogie
are trying to explain to actual LA dudes about violence in their city.
wow - rjcc

That's where you started this whole sub thread.

Yet my suspicion (which you are labeling an explanation of violence in LA) is shared by "actual LA dudes" who don't just live in LA but knew Nipsey personally... grew up with him even.

I know you get lost in all your straw grasping and trolling, but try to stay focused.


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360. "yup, still you out here explaining to actual LA dudes"
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based on the youtube videos you watched.

there's no cowardice involved.

I said you're the loser who has never shown his face who ain't from there and doesn't know anything.

I stand by that fully, because it's facts.

now you want to bring up the people you watched on youtube.

They ain't you boy. you don't get to draft off their credibility.

continue to be mad online.

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361. "All these ppl explaining it's "toxic masculinity" are from LA?"
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Damn I love how you continuously set yourself up.
The author of the horrid article in the OP is from New Jersey out here telling actual LA dudes what's causing death in their city. *gasp* How dare he?!?!?!

>based on the youtube videos you watched.


This is where you're wrong. It's based on the facts of the situation. You don't need youtube to know these things.


>there's no cowardice involved.


Cowardice is your whole MO, dude... well that and being a scumbag.



>I said you're the loser who has never shown his face who ain't
>from there and doesn't know anything.



I understand why you're bitter you've shown your face.
Definitely a regrettable action for someone with your genes.



>I stand by that fully, because it's facts.



You stand by it because you have nothing substantial to contribute to the conversation, so you're struggling to find ways to attack me personally.



>now you want to bring up the people you watched on youtube.


Of course I do. It's one of the things that shows you have no point.


>They ain't you boy. you don't get to draft off their
>credibility.



Oh of course not. My analysis of the situation is actually more in-depth than all of theirs. The point is that they share my suspicion.


>continue to be mad online.


That's more your thing. I'll let you have it.


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375. "I wholeheartedly dispute the idea that"
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I would ever struggle to find ways to attack you personally.

I don't have to struggle because I don't do it.

You just are a piece of shit. I don't have to bring it up at all.

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309. "blue lives matter"
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315. "Yeah I figured you were part of that movement"
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The stuff yall are talking in here lines up with it

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310. "lmao"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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316. "Yeah, don't speak. You already admitted to being stupid."
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320. "yes, for engaging with stupid ideas earnestly"
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thanks for that astute observation

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323. "You said much more stupid shit beyond that"
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Sad part is I know you're smart enough to have a more mature and well-developed conversation, but continue saying stupid stuff because you believe you're stupid. Maybe you're just lazy and waiting for the "rapture." *shrugs*

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321. "What does being from the streets have to do with this"
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There was no conspiracy, this was some dude that got pressed when he was told his presences at TMC wasn't appreciated by Nipsey and made a cowardly move to take that man's life cause he felt a certain way about being asked to leave.

There's no grand plan or conspiracy behind Nipsey's death, it was simply street shit. But I'm going to let you cook though.

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327. "That much should be obvious"
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>There was no conspiracy, this was some dude that got pressed
>when he was told his presences at TMC wasn't appreciated by
>Nipsey and made a cowardly move to take that man's life cause
>he felt a certain way about being asked to leave.
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>There's no grand plan or conspiracy behind Nipsey's death, it
>was simply street shit. But I'm going to let you cook though.
>


Yeah, yeah that's the official story they told us. So Nipsey's brother Samiel is just talking bullshit huh? Kenyatta Griggs just off his rocker? All I said was I question this shit, just like they do. That "some dude" you're talking about IS indeed an informant, and his getaway driver wasn't arrested. When do you see this not get a black person arrested as an accomplice? And are you the black guy or the white woman in the pic? Just wanna know if I'm talking to a white woman or a nigga who thinks like one.



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328. "Imagines you saying this after Malcolm was killed? "
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Damn

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331. "Malcolm got killed over hurt feelings too tho."
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Malcolm spoke out about THEM's sexual misconduct and the NOI treated that as a betrayal. Farrakhan riled some shooters up and they took him out.

In that way, toxic masculinity contributed to Malcolm's death too, if we being honest.

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335. "Google Raymond Woods"
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The second guy who was taken away in a police car after the shooting, a detective who also infiltrated the Black Liberation Movement.

Y’all really quick to give The Man a pass when it comes to this shit?

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336. "I ain't giving nobody a pass. Farrakhan used to BOAST about the shit."
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I go with Occam's razor, brother.

Once you got the cork board up and you're connecting thumb tacks with the yarn, you start to lose me.

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347. "Wait wut?"
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329. "&amp;quot;the streets&amp;quot; are where genocide is fought"
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to many Ermias Joseph Asghedom was a General of Black men and people like Tariq Nasheed (the Black Nationalist's Sean Hannity) are the propagandists needed to tell our people what's really happening. In the black nationalist's mind the more educated you are, the more effeminate you are, the more suburban you are, the more disconnected you are from the genocidal reality Black people, men in particular, are facing.

Unfortunately for Black men in the minds of other Black men, the more money you have, the more prestige you have, the prettier the woman date, the more influence you have in the community, the less of an individual rebel you become and the less subversive you become to the white male power structure.

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332. "Very telling that yall keep ignoring Samiel and Kenyatta"
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because yall think focusing on Tariq gives you a point.
Most of yall are against reparations simply because Tariq is for it, so that says a lot.


>In the black nationalist's mind the
>more educated you are, the more effeminate you are,



So now you're just typing any ol' BS that comes to your mind.
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.



>the more
>suburban you are, the more disconnected you are from the
>genocidal reality Black people, men in particular, are facing.




This is often true, but it doesn't have to be.


>Unfortunately for Black men in the minds of other Black men,
>the more money you have, the more prestige you have, the
>prettier the woman date, the more influence you have in the
>community, the less of an individual rebel you become and the
>less subversive you become to the white male power structure.


This legit makes no sense, and makes it pretty clear that you're just trying to make yourself feel better like when a child's parents tell them they're bullied because they're superheroes or some shit.






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333. "I'm all for reparations"
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I don't know who these other people are that you're talking about though.

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334. "Very telling that yall keep ignoring Samiel and Kenyatta"
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337. "blue lives matter"
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341. "boogie: YALL ARE AGAINST REPARATIONS"
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us: we're not and no one said that?

tariq isn't for any reparations except dumb niggas like you buying his bullshit

please keep going loser

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348. "Yeah, that last part had me dying bruh, lol"
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In the minds of black men the prettier the women you date the less authentic you are?

NIGGA
WHUT.

LMAO

  

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385. "RE: Yeah, that last part had me dying bruh, lol"
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>In the minds of black men the prettier the women you date the
>less authentic you are?
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>NIGGA
>WHUT.
>
>LMAO


LOL, I pretty much had the same reaction

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301. "this poast is an advert for male birth control"
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sheesh

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318. "Word. If yall gonna side with those who want us dead..."
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seems rather detrimental for you to exist in the first place... let alone procreate.
White supremacy loves yall tho, which seems to satisfy you just fine.

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322. "huh?"
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325. "LOVES THEM!"
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326. "11 posts since 2008, LoL"
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362. "lol"
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317. "wow at how easy it is to subvert black people"
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353. "Some facts about the murder..."
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The informant's street nickname was "Shitty." Most likely got that name because everyone knew he was a snitch, but that's just my guess.

Shitty was just walking around in the huge city of L.A. with 2 guns on him and just happened to know where Nipsey was on day when he wasn't scheduled to be at the store. This was kind of an impromptu thing, since he made a special trip there to hook his friend up with some clothes who'd just gotta outta prison.

After Shitty committed murder, a friend of his just happened to be sitting at the end of a nearby alley in her car with the engine on.
How likely is this?

Somehow, they're able to get away through L.A. traffic without being spotted or stopped by lights or anything. He finds a great hiding place, evading being found as his family members become targets.
Could he have been smuggled to a safe house by the police?

They "find" him at a mental hospital to accentuate this "insanity" legal defense they're about to mount for him.
But wait, he's an informant. So he's mentally impaired but yall trusted his intel?

The getaway driver tells the police she didn't know anything about the murder or anything. They simply believe her and let her go.
When do you ever see this with black people?

Shitty is IMMEDIATELY granted bail as a repeat offender with bodies on his record who has just committed another murder.
People with non-violent offenses don't even get this kind of treatment. For instance, wasn't Meek Mill locked up for 5 months before his bail got set for a non-violent offense? Shitty is getting 5-star criminal treatment.

"Hey pal, we'll get our buddy Chris Darden of OJ fame to represent you!"
This dusty dude was walking around this big ass city, doesn't even own a car. How does he afford Chris Darden? If Darden took this pro-bono, why would such a high-profile lawyer take THIS case?

This Shitty character is a black male multiple offender who has everything magically working out in his favor at every turn with the legal system here, and yall are telling me this chain of events sounds about right to yall?







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355. "shout out to boogie ending his rape investigation business"
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and moving onto murder.

sure, he was always wrong about sexual assault, but sometimes you need to shift.

tell us more about why we should believe in you instead of real actual people who show their faces.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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366. "Boogie steal your girl in HS? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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376. "yeah, if I were you I also wouldn't want people bringing up"
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the history of flawed and failed sexual assault investigators on this board.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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384. "Feel free to post links to me "investigating rape""
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Peculiar how you constantly find ways to bring rape into discussions

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363. "i dont like the conspiracy angle but when you lay it out like that"
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it does look sus

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365. "It was Pepe Silvia"
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367. "Your shitty analytical skills, reasoning and comprehension are on full d..."
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in this single post.

It's bad and the worst part is you can't see how poorly thought out and reasoned this is.

We could go line by line and tell why this is terrible logic but I'll start with one overall assumption that derails much of what you wrote. That is, your outline is built on the faulty assumption that dude went there that day with a plan to murder Nipsey Hussle.





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368. "Sorry bro but Chris Darden defending this dude "
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is an obvious red flag.

You don’t defend a guy like this for free. What’s in it for him?

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372. "Yeah, you know what you are talking about. "
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How did Casey Anthony pay Jose Baez?

How did Timothy McVeigh pay Chris Tritico?

How did fertilizer salesman Scott Peterson pay super lawyer Mark John Geragos?

Defense lawyers love high profile cases and find a way to rep certain clients even if it means not getting paid some time.

And then you act like Chris Darden is not dude most known for blowing the most high profile case in LA history. Dude is not in high demand.


>is an obvious red flag.
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>You don’t defend a guy like this for free. What’s in it
>for him?
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382. "RE: Yeah, you know what you are talking about. "
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>And then you act like Chris Darden is not dude most known for
>blowing the most high profile case in LA history. Dude is
>not in high demand.

He's white america's darling for being on the white side of history, and he's now the guy who defends the "mentally ill", so if this informant is being protected, who ya gonna call? Hint: it ain't Ghostbusters.

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370. "If he went there with two guns in an anti-gun state like CA..."
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>That is, your outline is built on the
>faulty assumption that dude went there that day with a plan to
>murder Nipsey Hussle.

then it seems premeditated. Dude probably doesn't have a CCW (carry permit).

Not sure about the rest of the theory, but this definitely looks like a targeted murder, whether over an argument or something more.

  

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373. "So yalls suspicion is based on the disbelief that a criminal would have...."
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quick access to guns. OK.




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377. "It's scary how dedicated they are to this."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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417. "lmao"
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holy shit...this is the funniest shit ever

hilarisad

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421. "Never mind, I made a point about guns, and you made it about..."
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..."Y'all" theory.

This is literally the first time I chimed in on this theory tho.

Never mind, man. Y'all come with the shaming shit, but clearly are just as bad about reading comprehension and critical thinking as the people you are arguing with.

  

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371. "his original pst was outlined by TMZ 3 days after nipsey's day"
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including a visual re-enactment

also with friends and his brother recounting what was said between the man and what nipsey said during the shooting

i am gobsmacked at him trying so hard to push this off as a conspiracy

again, everyone please listen to this podcast about conspiracies & especially the jelani cobb segment "show me state of mind" with a ferguson activist who lost a close friend he considered his brother & how he looks at the idea that his close friend was murdered in a conspiracy: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything-can-be-anything

but this is the 3rd time i've posted actual factual video or audio from individuals actually affected by violence and victims and he hasn't responded to the sentiments in the vid, only to arguing in this post about non-facts and ideas, which is telling

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369. "NOPE. Toxic masculinity"
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Even before the trial, where discover what the actual motive was, lol

Remeber that Mike Wilbon article after Sean Taylor got murdered? Where he said he wasn't surprised dude died a violent death despite not knowing anything about what happened? But just painted with a broad brush of stereotypes about Black male pathology.

https://www.stateoftheu.com/2014/9/27/6853669/its-time-for-michael-wilbon-and-colin-cowherd-to-apologize

Now, it might turn out that Shitty Cuz just got mad and killed Nipsey.

But isn't odd how the same narrative just changes names but stays the same?

  

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383. "RE: NOPE. Toxic masculinity"
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>Even before the trial, where discover what the actual motive
>was, lol
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>Remeber that Mike Wilbon article after Sean Taylor got
>murdered? Where he said he wasn't surprised dude died a
>violent death despite not knowing anything about what
>happened? But just painted with a broad brush of stereotypes
>about Black male pathology.
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>https://www.stateoftheu.com/2014/9/27/6853669/its-time-for-michael-wilbon-and-colin-cowherd-to-apologize
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>Now, it might turn out that Shitty Cuz just got mad and killed
>Nipsey.
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>But isn't odd how the same narrative just changes names but
>stays the same?
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Real shit, man. Just the complete willingness to accept that reasoning and the ridicule of anyone suspicious of a conspiracy where an informant is involved in a country where this happens to us over and over... incredible.
And yeah, it could be that dude killed him on the spur of the moment, but I'll be damned if I don't question it. We're all doomed if we don't question everything about our existence here, actually, but that's a bigger discussion lol.

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379. "Black man you need to search your soul. You care so much"
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about being right, that you don’t have no relationship with the truth right now.

1. Shitty Cuz didn’t get his hood name because he was an informant. Niggas get they hood names around the time they get put on...Elementary school. Middle school. I guess this is a simple mistake from an out of towner, but realize you don’t have the knowledge to make educated guesses here.

2. Niggas walk around with guns on them all the time. I’ve had guns pulled on me by niggas on foot. On the bus. It ain’t no I’ma run to the trunk culture out here. Niggas be strapped.

3. Nothing about what witnesses say suggests Holder was looking to kill Nipsey before their interaction. It was BECAUSE of their interaction. Holder lived over there. Nipsey was running errands. They had a discussion and Holder felt some type of way.

4. There were minutes between his interaction with Nip and the shooting. Everybody says he went to get a burger before he came back. He was likely in the burger spot in his feelings, deciding to hurt Nip, and told his homegirl to pull around to the back alley before he started shooting.

5. Niggas drive away from shooting somebody all the time in LA traffic. Like you ain’t ever heard of no DRIVE-BY SHOOTING?

6. The police found him at the mental facility because EVERYBODY KNEW HIS FACE AND HE WAS IN PUBLIC.

7. The dude has a history of being bi-polar. Ain’t no indication that he be hallucinating and hearing voices. He’s claiming to be emotionally unstable and the nigga clearly is.

8. Nobody knows how he managed to retain Darden as his lawyer. But Darden likely approached HIM. Darden just tried to defend a ball player who attempted to kill his ex by saying he did it because of CTE. This case is completely on brand for this point of Darden’s career. I’m guessing he feels like he has a shot since Holder was picked up trying to check himself in. If he can argue down Holder’s sentence, he has a resume to show to wealthy, high profile murderers who need a lawyer.

9. Nothing is stopping the driver from being charged at a later date, but it’s also possible she’s cooperating with police and giving them valuable information for her freedom.

10. His bail was set at 7 million which is basically saying the dude don’t got no bail. The judge had good reason to rush to that decision because Nip’s murder had international attention.

Stop it. Get some help.

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380. "end post."
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But it won't cause being from L.A. and having common sense doesn't mean shit to these tinfoil kufi conspiracy brothas in this thread.

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381. "So you didn't know his bail was lowered to 5 million?"
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Maybe you're just rounding down.

You also admittedly don't know why his street name is Shitty. Got it.

Niggas walk around with guns in many places. Dunno why you think that's unique to L.A.

"He was likely in the burger spot in his feelings..."
Oh so now you're making up a scenario in your head about what "likely" happened. Which is exactly what you're coming at me for, right? Either you know or you don't.

"Nobody knows how he managed to retain Darden as his lawyer."
Oh ok, so you're clearly speculating here like anyone else.

"Nothing is stopping the driver from being charged at a later date"
But something stopped her from getting charged like she should have.

"but it’s also possible she’s cooperating with police and giving them valuable information for her freedom."
So this is another speculation on your part, just as good as anyone else's speculation.

The only difference in your speculation and mine is that yours leans towards trusting what "authorities" have told us, and mine don't.

Stop it. Get some help.





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396. "Yo you making the case based on his nickname is so fucking dumb. "
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My Nickname is duck. I will venmo you $100 if you can remotely figure out why that's my nickname.

My boy's nickname is moo-man. I'll venmo you $200 if you remotely can guess why that's his nickname.

On my word I will pay out. Knock yourself out o great "Nickname decypherer" and earn some quick cash.






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399. "Same. My people call me Bubble. Good luck figuring out why."
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400. "i got a cousin nicknamed bubble for the bubble on his lip."
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we used to clown him and say he was kissing a curling iron.

  

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403. "damn, we cousins."
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406. "Does this mean you also didn't know his bail was 5 mil?"
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Because I admitted the nickname thing was a guess, yet that's all you focus on to the point u claim that's what I'm "building the case" on lol. You still being too lazy to watch two 12 minute clips of his close friend Kenyatta Griggs is dumb.

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418. "fantastic deflection"
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splitting hairs on a bail that is well into the millions to ignore all the other holes he poked in your speculation

that's the difference between his speculation and yours though...his wasn't even particularly supportive of 99% of his argument

you just wanted to focus on that part bc he swiss cheesed your speculation

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419. "The post I'm responded to is deflection"
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Buddy talking about a nickname that was the very least important part of my argument. And Ike ain't poking holes in speculation with more speculation.
You just worry about taking care of your own admitted stupidity and understand exactly how white toxicity creates and maintains black male and female "toxicity" (symptoms of oppression) and how you're not going to fix it in any meaningful way by victim-blaming. But hey, maybe you're too stupid to understand this. Good luck tho.

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423. "to be fair, keeping track of the changing bail from 7 to 5 million"
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is definitely a sign you know the most about everything involved.

boogie got y'all there.

he's a genius.



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404. "plus why would the govt use him then let him live to talk about it?"
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dude is a textbook expendable patsy. nobody would think twice if the end of the story was suicide by cop.

what would the upside to this deal even be? 'kill somebody for us. in exchange...you get locked up for life'. 'say no more...'. lol.

  

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386. "high functioning retarded people post here"
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the only conspiracy I have on my mind is Eric Holder potentially getting off (he's a dead man in or out of jail) so that the black community will revolt and give the government cause for committing more harm i.e. martial law

shit would be worse than Latasha Harlins, Rodney King, and Trayvon Martin combined and I think that level of trauma may please the white power structure who's looking to break us anyway they can

  

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389. "So u can fathom the white power structure using "any way they can""
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to break us... come up the the conspiracy theory that they'd let Holder off for the purpose of causing revolt so they can harm more people...
but it's just completely beyond you that the same white power structure might kill Nipsey to set that plan in motion? Then you call other people retarded.
Amazing.

>the only conspiracy I have on my mind is Eric Holder
>potentially getting off (he's a dead man in or out of jail) so
>that the black community will revolt and give the government
>cause for committing more harm i.e. martial law
>
>shit would be worse than Latasha Harlins, Rodney King, and
>Trayvon Martin combined and I think that level of trauma may
>please the white power structure who's looking to break us
>anyway they can

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390. "I think too highly of myself to argue about this on a Saturday evening"
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but yes, I think it's entirely plausible for Nipsey's death to have not been a government setup (Im not from LA, but living here 7 years I have a better understanding than you could) along with recognizing the way tragedy has been used by higher powers to try breaking us mentally and psychologically

and yes, there seem to be high functioning special needs patients posting here

  

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391. "Not too highly to respond tho lol."
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No one says it's not "plausible that it's NOT a government setup"... just that it's entirely plausible that it could be one as well. Not sure why you and Buddy wanna go the route that anyone is saying that it 100% is a gov't setup... well, yeah I do know why... it's a pretty common debate tactic you both use.
But yeah, just checking. You enjoy your evening of tending to that retardation you're projecting on to everyone else.
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392. "there's no getting anywhere with people like you"
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I said I wasn't about to argue, your retort was "you still responded to me"

please learn how to have discussions like an adult

  

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393. "You're not trying to get anywhere."
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>I said I wasn't about to argue, your retort was "you still
>responded to me"


I asked you a simple question. You responded that you weren't going to argue. Sounds like you're the one who needs to be an adult instead of looking for an argument where there's absolutely no indication that there will be one.
You can't make a legitimate request for maturity when you OPEN by calling other people "retarded." Some projections are just too obvious.
But AGAIN, enjoy your night.

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397. "learn to take accountability for your behavior"
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>I asked you a simple question. You responded that you weren't
>going to argue. Sounds like you're the one who needs to be an
>adult instead of looking for an argument where there's
>absolutely no indication that there will be one.

your energy throughout this whole post is argumentative. you could have respected my wishes to not take part (the same way I could have ceased communication) instead you kept nonsense going, and now you're deflecting/lying to say "there's no indication there would be an argument"





>You can't make a legitimate request for maturity when you OPEN
>by calling other people "retarded." Some projections are just
>too obvious.

retarded is defined as "less advanced in mental or social development" than is usual for one's age. I added the descriptor high functioning, if that doesnt describe this clusterfuck of a post to you, then cool



  

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405. "It's rather fascinating how all your insults always apply to you."
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>your energy throughout this whole post is argumentative.


Oh I'm not arguing that at all... ironically lol.


>you could have respected my wishes to not take part (the same way
>I could have ceased communication)


Not arguing that either.
Kind of interesting that you gave me the power to make you "take part" tho.


>you're deflecting/lying to say "there's no
>indication there would be an argument"



Except that's not a lie. I asked you a question. If you had simply answered without your usual flare, I'd have no response, but you're incapable of that... partially due to the retardation that you project on to others. I fully expect more in response. It's how you do.



>retarded is defined as "less advanced in mental or social
>development" than is usual for one's age. I added the
>descriptor high functioning, if that doesnt describe this
>clusterfuck of a post to you, then cool


If your mental and social development was usual for your age, you would know that calling people retarded isn't exactly the right thing to do if you want to have a mature discussion, so how are you surprised that that's not what you get when you do so? This is how "retarded" applies to you, sir.




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408. "Im pretty able to address things rationally"
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>>your energy throughout this whole post is argumentative.

>Oh I'm not arguing that at all... ironically lol.

>>you could have respected my wishes to not take part (the same
>way
>>I could have ceased communication)
>
>
>Not arguing that either.
>Kind of interesting that you gave me the power to make you
>"take part" tho.

>>you're deflecting/lying to say "there's no
>>indication there would be an argument"

>Except that's not a lie. I asked you a question. If you had
>simply answered without your usual flare, I'd have no
>response, but you're incapable of that... partially due to the
>retardation that you project on to others. I fully expect
>more in response. It's how you do.

Im not interested in talking to anyone hell bent on poking holes in ideas to be "right", that's called an argument. "agree to disagree" doesnt register in your world, if you find a way to spin this back on me you're just a weirdo




  

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409. "So are plenty other people in here actually."
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Whether they live up to it or not is another story, but that's whatever.

>Im not interested in talking to anyone hell bent on poking
>holes in ideas to be "right", that's called an argument.
>"agree to disagree" doesnt register in your world, if you find
>a way to spin this back on me you're just a weirdo


"Oh no, he's says I'm a weirdo if I spin his retardation back on him! Better not do it!"
Did you think I'd fear your name-calling too much to respond? Lol. That's hilarious, bro. I'm only I'm not even poking holes in your argument at this point... just correcting your re-writing and mischaractarizations. You keep doing, I keep responding. It's fun to me. How long do you wanna carry on?

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413. "thanks for proving me right. you can have the last word"
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>"Oh no, he's says I'm a weirdo if I spin his retardation back
>on him! Better not do it!"
>Did you think I'd fear your name-calling too much to respond?
>Lol. That's hilarious, bro. I'm only I'm not even poking
>holes in your argument at this point... just correcting your
>re-writing and mischaractarizations. You keep doing, I keep
>responding. It's fun to me. How long do you wanna carry on?
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414. "Likewise"
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395. "Lmao at acting above it all while using retarded"
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Seek help.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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398. "you have a shitty life, your father is ashamed of you"
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401. "just gotta post past some niggas and try not to make eye contact."
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402. "where are these gangstas we keep hearing about?"
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street niggas have been kinda getting exposed lately.

tekashi and shotty disrespected known 'gangstas' wholesale in la, chicago, and houston. only got touched by each other (pause) and the feds.

an artist associated with j prince got buck50d and his chain snatched in ny. j prince ran to ig to demand help getting the chain back. got the chain back. but didnt do shit about the dude getting stomped out and his face zippered on camera.

rollin 60s nhc legend nipsey hussle gets broaddayed in front of his own store by somebody named shitty cuz. no return fire. no chase. no family members or friends ducktaped. no money on his head. just a buncha niggas riding around screaming at their phones all night on ig/snapchat.

kodak black disrespected nip and his widow...shit on tip and his museum...was in tips city...and nothing.

iono fam. i aint one to condone violence. but the mileage on the walk aint matching the mileage on the talk.

  

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407. "All the real Gs are no longer with us, RIP (natural selection)"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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410. "Shitty's family's houses were shot at"
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Dunno the damage total, but they were targeted.

"Gangstas" who avoid death and jail aren't usually loud about the work they put in. If you're able to connect a violent incident to disrespect of a certain person, so can the police... which just might make that certain person and their affiliates suspects.

That said, I dunno why you expect to see J.Prince personally do something about that situation in any way that you can trace.

Nipsey's brother already explained why there was no return fire when Shitty shot Nip. The store hires felons and others who have a hard time finding work, so no one present had a gun on them. Samiel said that if he was present, he would've shot back. I just really hope the brother isn't blaming himself.


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412. "Ninjaz need ta do dey research: 2 of Shitty's kinfolk got KILLED!"
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And THAT news is already a week old. Come on Reeq, you betta than this.

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420. "But are you from L.A. tho?!?!?"
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Just checkin, fam.

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422. "Sactown, Fam."
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So you know how dat go. Anything happen anywhere in Cali
whether Bay area or LA, Diego, we get dat info quick just off GP.

If you in Sac, chances are you got Family in LA and vice-versa so word gets back to us immediately.



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415. "Bad take bro. "
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When real shit goes down, it don't necessarily make social media.


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411. "you can take em out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of em"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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424. "What's the GOAL and the TAKEAWAY here in this post?"
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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” ~ Albert Einstein

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

  

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425. "goal? i dunno"
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takeaway: there is no spoon

  

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